Nader Runs, Nation Ralphs

Posted February 24, 2008 | 03:04 PM (EST)



RSS stumble digg reddit del.ico.us news trust mixx.com

I guess even Republicans deserve a bit of good news once in a while, however small:

Ralph Nader said Sunday he will run for president as a third-party candidate, criticizing the top White House contenders as too close to big business and pledging to repeat a bid that will "shift the power from the few to the many."

"Shift the power from the few to the many," huh? Gee... I thought that's what I'd been doing this past half decade or so, along with a few million of my neighbors in the netroots community? Way to give us the finger, Ralph.

No, I guess instead of dedicating our lives to blogging for little or no money, creating new media infrastructure from scratch with zero resources, and struggling to build a new progressive movement that has empowered millions, actually won a few elections, and has started to change the way politics is conducted nationwide... the real way to shift the power from the few to the many is for a single, cranky, dried up, arrogant, old white guy to go on national television and declare that he is running for president. You know... for us. Because apparently, we're too stupid to do it for ourselves.

There was a time, decades ago, when I dreamed of a viable third party that might duplicate the success of the Greens in Europe, but then, there was a time when I once looked up to Ralph Nader, consumer protection crusader, as a genuine American hero. I was young. What the fuck did I know?

Over the years, my understanding of electoral politics matured into a deep appreciation for the nuances of our two party system, long before Nader's tragic 2000 campaign destroyed what little credibility the American Green Party had left. There is a genius to our system, that for the first time in history not only legitimized dissent, but institutionalized it. Yes our system is profoundly conservative at its core in that truly big, abrupt changes are exceedingly difficult to achieve, but this institutional sluggishness is not insurmountable and it has served to maintain the political and economic stability on which past generations have built our nation into the most prosperous and powerful on earth. And when cranks like Nader critique the Democrats and the Republicans as providing little or no choice to voters, they focus solely on the competition between the two parties while ignoring the competition within them.

It took thirty or more years for the forces of the far right to firmly seize the reins of the Republican Party and the institutions that support it, and it will take at least another decade or two for our "people powered" progressive movement to do the same with our party. That Nader can't see the slow motion political revolution unfolding before his eyes reveals him to be as much a part of the ossified political establishment as the politicians he reviles... his third, futile campaign a last gasp of the status quo fighting to retain its own relevance. The old crusader appearing before the old media, challenging the declining power of the old guard; it is a scene that would be comic if it weren't so tragic: Nader cast as Lear, railing against a storm of political change that threatens to sweep both him and his foes into the dustbin of history.

David Goldstein blogs on WA state politics at HorsesAss.org


 
 

Comments
65
Pending Comments
0

Want to reply to a comment? Hint: Click "Reply" at the bottom of the comment; after being approved your comment will appear directly underneath the comment you replied to

View Comments:
Page: 1 2 Next › Last » (2 pages total)
- Brian76239 See Profile I'm a Fan of Brian76239 permalink

When we started this campaign season, John Edwards campaigned on the anti-corporate platform. It never got enough traction to get
beyound 18 percent of voters. Mainly because
he NEVER got the media attention he deserved.

Now we got this blowhard who wants to campaign
on the anti-corporate platform. Again. Would
someone, PLEASE, take up a collection and buy
that idiot a CLUE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 02/25/2008
- charlietuna11 See Profile I'm a Fan of charlietuna11 permalink

I HAVE TO SAY I WAS INITIALLY UPSET HE DECIDED TO RUN AGAIN. AFTER LISTENING CLOSELY, HE MADE A LOT OF SENSE. HAVE THE DEMS BROUGHT OUR TROOPS HOME? HAVE THEY BLOCKED ANY OF THE BUSH-CHENEY INNIATIVES? HAVE THEY STOPPED TORTURE? HAVE THEY STOPPED DOMESTIC SPYING? THE NEW ATTY GEN. WOULDN'T CLASSIFY WATER BOARDING AS TORTURE BUT WAS CONFIRMED WITH THE HEAVY SUPPORT OF DEMOCRATS.PELOSI TOOK IMPEACHMENT OFF THE TABLE.SEN. REID IS AN EMBARASSMENT.NAME ME ONE BATTLE THE DEMS HAVE WON AGAINST ARGUEABLY THE WORST PRESIDENT IN OUR HISTORY..AS YOU WELL KNOW, I COULD GO ON BUT WONT. AGAIN I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT NADER RUNNING BUT I CAN CERTAINLY UNDER STAND WHY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 02/25/2008
- runswithscissors See Profile I'm a Fan of runswithscissors permalink

Exactly. The Democratics are the yes-men of the political world. Whatever the GOP wants, the Dems will eventually give them. They'll make a fuss publicly, then cave. Even now, with a majority in both houses of Congress, they still cave on every issue. What's the point of keeping them around?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 02/25/2008
- darker See Profile I'm a Fan of darker permalink

Lawyer Ralph Nader's running because it's a BAD HABIT. He crawls out of the woodwork before every election to get TV TIME & personal PUBLICITY. He paints himself "a victim" and people drink his Kool-Aid.

Nader hopes for votes from immature, angry "victim" VOTERS and the hopeless "undecideds" who cannot decide for themselves without getting HYSTERICAL and crapping in their pants.

Stay away from un-adult "emotional voting". The person you will harm will be YOURSELF.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 AM on 02/25/2008
- jstock See Profile I'm a Fan of jstock permalink

Unfortunately for us all, Nader is beginning to resemble the late Pat Paulson or, less benignly, Lyndon LaRouche. How many times can a man run without eliciting anything other than groans? Please, folks, don't buy his crap any more. Do not be tempted into believing that one vote couldn't possibly make any difference and that, therefore, it's okay to vote for Nader to send some kind of message. We've seen that movie before, and it's worse than Plan 9 From Outerspace - and MUCH less enjoyable. Go Obama (or, if you must, Hillary)!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 AM on 02/25/2008
- LeoMarvin See Profile I'm a Fan of LeoMarvin permalink

This post misses the point. It isn't that Ralph doesn't see how grassroots change will make the Democratic Party as solidly left wing in ten years as the Republican Party is right wing today. Maybe that's true, and maybe he doesn't see it, but it's not what he's been so disastrously wrong about before and threatens to be again. The author accuses Nader of focusing "solely on the competition between the two parties," but that also misses the mark.

What Nader does is PRETEND AWAY THE DIFFERENCES between the two parties. And if, as he claims, there isn't a "dimes worth of difference" between them, what harm can come from his siphoning some votes from one party or the other (of course it always happens to be from the Democrats)? Well we've seen how that's worked out for the last seven years, and I for one don't want to spend eight more years learning that same stupid lesson. Hey Ralph, guess what? There ARE important, crucial, life or death differences between Republican power and Democratic power, and it's time for you to quit your rhetorical jerking off while the well-being of this country and much of the world hangs in the balance. OK?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 02/25/2008
- LawOfAttraction See Profile I'm a Fan of LawOfAttraction permalink

Actually, Ralph Nader is of Arab descent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 02/25/2008
- kinderworld See Profile I'm a Fan of kinderworld permalink


To LawOfAttraction:
Who cares? What is your point? Nader's family immigrated from Lebanon, but I don't see why that has any bearing on anything that you need to point out that he is "of Arab descent". Ralph Nader is an American, period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 02/25/2008
- LawOfAttraction See Profile I'm a Fan of LawOfAttraction permalink

Hey now... Ease up off the trigger, Kinderworld.

It wasn't some kind of "His middle name is Hussein!" style, stealth racist statement.

The word "actually" prefaced the rest of the sentence, which should give the casual reader some indication that the words that followed were in rebuttal or correction.

Such was the case as I was merely correcting the author of the article when he said, "a single, cranky, dried up, arrogant, old WHITE GUY" (caps for emphasis is mine).

That's all there was to it. ;-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 AM on 02/26/2008
- dgscol See Profile I'm a Fan of dgscol permalink

I have to go against the grain : Ralph is a great debater, and he will undoubtedly make the others sound inarticulate. Besides this, he is totally correct about both sides sold out to big corporate special interests, and I hope he causes them to studder a little.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 AM on 02/25/2008
- Rockyman See Profile I'm a Fan of Rockyman permalink

Nader has turned into more of a danger to America then the explosive Corvair that he helped get banned!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 02/25/2008
- runswithscissors See Profile I'm a Fan of runswithscissors permalink

People are acting like Nader was the deciding vote on the Supreme Court in 2000. Also acting like his absence from most ballots in 2004 did the Democraps any good. Both of those "elections" were going to go to Bush no matter what the actual votes said.

I completely disagree with your assessment of our two party system. Right off the bat, most of the population is locked into voting against someone. Personally, I refuse to do it anymore. Obama, for all the hype he's getting, is a mediocre candidate at best. I can't come up with one reason why I'd actually vote for him, other than to vote against McCain. But I cannot bring myself to do it again, because these votes actually legitimize the actions (or more accurately inaction) of the Democraps over the last eight years. This lesser of two evil system has given us progressively worse candidates. The only "hope" I see at all this time around is Nader.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 02/24/2008
- sarge See Profile I'm a Fan of sarge permalink

Hope for what? There are only 2 possible consequences to his candidacy. 1) It does not affect the outcome. 2) It affects the outcome by syphoning off just enough votes to make Bush...I mean McCain, president...kind of like 2000.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 02/25/2008
- runswithscissors See Profile I'm a Fan of runswithscissors permalink

You forgot 3) Forces the Democrats to actually distinguish themselves from their Republican counterparts and take ACTION in fixing the myriad problems we're facing right now. Neither Obama's empty slogans nor Clinton's poll obsessing are going to accompish anything but a continuation of the path we're on. Hell that's if they don't screw up a sure thing (again). After Bush's "presidency", the Rupugs shouldn't be within 20% of winning this thing. The fact that they are speaks volumes about the only other party that the mainstream says is acceptable to vote for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 02/25/2008
- lovethesinner See Profile I'm a Fan of lovethesinner permalink

I now classify Nader with Ann Coulter, and Rush Limbaugh:

Insulting, (at best.)

GObama!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 02/24/2008
- onlyThis See Profile I'm a Fan of onlyThis permalink

Hey Ralph! why don't you run for something where you might actually have a chance at winning? Run for the mayor of a progressive town or the congressional seat in a progressive state, run for a seat where you can actually DO something instead of pissing into the wind with a presidential run. Geez, try to accomplish something small but real instead of making grandious but futile actions. In fact that goes for all of us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 02/24/2008
- ElkoJohn See Profile I'm a Fan of ElkoJohn permalink

so those of us fed up with the Repug party and their Dem lackeys cast our protest vote for Ralph. The Florida vote was in question bc of hanky-panky at the polls, the Supreme Court elected emperor Bush as Prez, Billy C. passed on the opportunity to resign over his girlfriend to allow Al to run as the incumbent, emperor George launched a war without cause, suspended Habeas Corpus, ignores our Constitution and international law with impunity, and tortures our "enemy combatants" in secret prisons. Only a very few Dems in Congress are concerned. Our fearless leader, Nancy P. takes impeachment off the table. Our fearless leader, Harry R. defends the big money lobbyists giving pols aid & comfort with "what's wrong with that" -- So to register a protest vote now, you can vote R.Paul or R.Nader. And look at it this way, eight more years of Repugs would bring the Am.Empire to its knees, and then perhaps the 50.05% of voters who vote Repug all the time might get an education, so why not? It's a free country isn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 02/24/2008
- RobertHewson See Profile I'm a Fan of RobertHewson permalink

From today's "Head of State"
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/02/chronic-naderism-severe-acute.html

Sunday, February 24, 2008
Chronic Naderism, Severe, Acute Exacerbation

I am defining a new disorder: Naderism, the diagnostic criteria for which are listed below:

1) The delusional belief that your heroic intervention is needed by the nation, despite any evidence whatsoever to support it (see also delusions of grandeur, erotomanic delusions, narcissistic personality disorder);

2) The compulsive need to attempt to destroy the very outcome that you claim to seek by your intervention (rule out passive-aggressive personality disorder);

3) Verbal echolalia, i.e., the repeating of statements that bear no connection to reality, e.g. "The country needs me now more than ever";

4) Feelings of irrelevance, of being left out or isolated, which are compensated for by grandiose claims of relevance and necessity for one's actions;

5) Unconscious suicidal ideation, manifest in statements indicating suicidal behavior, e.g. "I have been collecting pills", or "I have decided to run for President";

6) Destructive behavior without awareness of the consequences of such behavior, e.g., spending sprees, reckless driving, running for national office;

Use the following codes to indicate the severity of the episode of Naderism:

Mild: Mutters at television during Obama rally: "That should be me";

Moderate: Begins making late night telephone calls asking "Shouldn't I really run for President? The people need me";

Severe: Announces campaign for president.

Note: Patient should be evaluated on presentation for whether he is a danger to self or others.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/02/chronic-naderism-severe-acute.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 02/24/2008
- tompoe See Profile I'm a Fan of tompoe permalink

When someone, anyone complains about a third candidate running for office, the first thing that comes to mind, is whether that person is an American. In America, we encourage multiple parties to participate in politics. So, what country are you from, Goldstein? If you're not American, you might want to read up on what Democracy means. If you are American, you're obviously a blooming idiot. Oh, sorry, didn't mean to offend you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 02/24/2008
- MagisterLudi See Profile I'm a Fan of MagisterLudi permalink

"In America, we encourage multiple parties to participate in politics."

Tompoe, you're badly misinformed, at best.
American political system a two-party system plain and simple. It's built to actively discourage participation of other parties.

Rather the system should hopefully alow the two parties to absorb other influences.

It's NOT a Parliamentary system, there will never be coalition governments ala Britain or Israel.

Why don't you study up a bit before leveling these preposterously ignorant charges against the poster. Start with a American government primer and take it from there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 02/25/2008
- LawOfAttraction See Profile I'm a Fan of LawOfAttraction permalink

Actually, we're not a Democracy.
We're a Republic. Look it up.

So our votes do not carry actual individual weight.

Ralph Nader's mission would be a good one if this were a parliamentary system. But it's not.

So he and his voters only serve to screw over the rest of us.

The 3 lessons America has learned from the Bush presidency:

1) It makes a difference if the President is smart.

2) Despite all the cynical rhetoric from the disaffected, Republicans and Democrats are CLEARLY NOT the same.

3) Voting for Nader = bad juju for the issues he cares about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 02/25/2008
- abbiehoffmansghost See Profile I'm a Fan of abbiehoffmansghost permalink

Why do people hate folks like Ralph Nader and Dennis Kucinich? Because that actually talk about issues that really, and greatly affect Americans. And most Americans care about one thing and one thing only when it comes right down to it: their own personal comfort zones. They don't really care about egalitarian values, they don't really care about justice or freedom or ethics as long as their comfort zones aren't impinged upon. The American culture is undeserving of people like Nader or Kucinich but they keep trying because they really care about the possibilities that this country has and could have. 'You may say I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one.'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 02/24/2008
- WorkingClass See Profile I'm a Fan of WorkingClass permalink

Thanks abbie. Instead of posting another angry defense of Nader, I'll just say, I agree with abbie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 02/25/2008
- Rockyman See Profile I'm a Fan of Rockyman permalink

Nader is 74! He has no chance of getting elected and only takes Dem votes away. His voice had a time and place and still is worth a "listen", yet he could better serve America by being a consumer advocate and not affect Presidential election outcomes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 02/25/2008
- jsarets See Profile I'm a Fan of jsarets permalink

No, you are not going to get away with clumping together Ralph Nader and Dennis Kucinich. Kucinich anchors the progressive edge of the Democratic Party. He provides a force within the party that opposes the political expediency of centrism. Nader serves no purpose, as he has no way of effecting any change within the establishment of either party. He sucks at life and has no friends, neither of which is a good thing in politics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 02/24/2008
- MagisterLudi See Profile I'm a Fan of MagisterLudi permalink

Agreed, Jsarets,

Kicinich is a Progressive. If Democrats really wanted change he would be the nominee.

However, most Democrats like to talk change and progressive values to the left but vote to the right.

Proof: Obama and Clinton, two upper class bourgeois candidates utterly incapable and unwilling to change economic and political status quo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 AM on 02/25/2008
- progresemulo See Profile I'm a Fan of progresemulo permalink

Kucinich has the decency to refrain from ruining the general election as a spoiler third-party candidate. Nader does not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 02/24/2008
- Karenina44 See Profile I'm a Fan of Karenina44 permalink

Anyone else think the dark lord Voldemort Karl Rove and the Death Eaters at the RNC are sabotaging to the dems for November? If Obama is the nominee, and he seems to have a teflon coating from attacks thus far, who else benefits for his jumping in?

Oh, by the way, thank you for running in 2000 and giving the election to W. You are a pathetic troll.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 02/24/2008
- gcg737 See Profile I'm a Fan of gcg737 permalink

It's certainly possible Dark Lord VoldeRove chuckles delightedly at the possibilities Nader offers to draw attention away from the inherent weaknesses of the McCain candidacy. More stories to cover with 3 candidates means less camera time spent watching McCain age before our very eyes.

That said, I think Nader has as much chance of attracting disaffected Repugs as he does disaffected Independents or Democrats. McCain is not universally loved by the Repugs. Some of the positions advanced by Nader in his announcement speech on Meet the Press would appeal to those on the Far Right who can't vote for McCain, won't vote for Obama, and are deeply frustrated.

I believe the numbers showing up to vote in the Democratic primaries are indicative of the tsunami that will show up in November to vote Democratic. It will be difficult to steal the election as effectively as was done in 2000. The numbers won't be as marginal.

Nader made quite a bit of sense talking on MTP today. And though I won't vote for him there's no harm in having him flit around and introduce items on the agenda for public debate that would not otherwise make it there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 02/24/2008
Page: 1 2 Next › Last » (2 pages total)
Comments are closed for this entry

You must be logged in to reply to this comment. Log in