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David Harris

Posted: August 2, 2010 04:53 PM

Build the Cordoba Center?

What's Your Reaction:

For some, the Cordoba Center is a no-brainer.

There are those who can't understand what all the fuss is about. Of course the Cordoba Center should be built two blocks from Ground Zero. Any opposition tramples on America's tradition of religious freedom and smacks of Islamophobia. How could we possibly yield to bigotry? Isn't the center meant to be an answer to intolerance?

For others, the opposite holds true. Allowing a Muslim facility to rise anywhere near the site where Islamist terrorists murdered thousands is sacrilegious and deeply offensive, especially to the victims and their families. How could we be so "politically correct" or gullible to allow this to happen? Does our tolerance also extend to intolerance?

For many of us, though, it's a tough decision.

Yes, America, above all, stands for freedom of worship -- for all, not for some. Religious bigotry has no place here. And, we desperately need greater dialogue and understanding, especially with Islam.

But in this vast country, why, of all places, does the center need to be there? Will it really serve as a place for healing, repentance, and interfaith cooperation? Or will that prove a facade, designed to get the project approved and divert attention from the fact that the 9/11 plotters all prayed in mosques and believed they were acting in the divine name?

To be sure, it is a difficult call, but that can't be an excuse for indecision. This is an important national issue. For the American Jewish Committee (AJC), with a long involvement in this country's social history, it is, above all, about the kind of society -- and world -- we aspire to build.

Indeed, the very first Supreme Court case for which AJC submitted an amicus brief, Pierce v. Society of Sisters, involved a fundamental question of religious freedom. At issue was an Oregon law designed to prevent parents from sending their children to Catholic schools. AJC grasped the stakes in the case and sided with the Catholic parents. In its 1925 decision, the Supreme Court agreed.

More recently, AJC helped rebuild the Gay's Hill Baptist Church in Millen, Georgia, after a hate-inspired arson attack. We provided funds to repair St. Clement's of Rome, a Catholic Church in New Orleans, after the damage wrought by Hurricane Katrina. When Turkish Muslims were the object of a deadly hate crime in Germany, we traveled to a Cologne mosque to stand with the victims' families at the funeral service. And when Muslims were in the crosshairs of Slobodan Milosevic's policy of ethnic cleansing, AJC supported Bosnian and Kosovar Muslims against the deadly violence spawned by the Serb leader.

In this ecumenical spirit, AJC believes the Cordoba Center has a right to be built in the proposed location.

Unlike many Muslim countries, where it can be difficult, if not impossible, to get a building permit for non-Muslim houses of worship, in America we celebrate our tradition of freedom of worship and seek to set an example for others.

While intolerance is rapidly growing in some European countries -- witness the recent referendum in Switzerland to ban the construction of minarets -- we reject that kind of narrow-mindedness and the fear it bespeaks.

We hope the Cordoba Center will fulfill the lofty mission its founders have articulated. They have set the bar high, describing it as a Muslim-inspired institution similar to the 92nd Street Y. If so, it means a facility truly open to the entire community -- and to a wide spectrum of ideas based on peace and coexistence.

Once up and running, it won't be long before we know if the founders have delivered on their promise. If so, New York and America will be enriched. If not, the center should be shunned.

Presently, there are two legitimate concerns about the proposed center.

First, with a $100 million price tag, what are the exact sources of funding? The public has a right to know that the donors all subscribe to an open, inclusive and pluralistic vision of the center.

Second, do the center's leaders reject unconditionally terrorism inspired by Islamist ideology? They must say so unequivocally. This is critical for the institution's credibility. There is no room here for verbal acrobatics. Otherwise, the pall of suspicion around the leaders' true attitudes toward groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah will grow -- spelling the center's doom.

If these concerns can be addressed, we will join in welcoming the Cordoba Center to New York. In doing so, we would wish to reaffirm the noble values for which our country stands -- the very values so detested by the perpetrators of the September 11th attacks.

 
For some, the Cordoba Center is a no-brainer. There are those who can't understand what all the fuss is about. Of course the Cordoba Center should be built two blocks from Ground Zero. Any oppositio...
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07:16 PM on 08/07/2010
I am all for religious liberty. What I would ask for is some compassion and understanding from the Muslim community who is behind the effort to build a Mosque in this particular location. In the spirit of community I ask the Muslim community to please change the venue of your proposed center.
Building in the area the you purpose can be seen as nothing but a slap in the face to New york City and America. If your hearts are to promote unitity certainly you could understand the pain induced in the hearts of Americans by your current course of action. Thousands were slain in the name of your religion so near to the purposed location. To build anything in the name of the same religion so close is like saying, "We agreed with the actions of those who killed thousands of Americans and as an Act of Triumph we will build a place of worship in that location." If Muslims do not intend this to be the message they are conveying, they will chose another location.
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05:17 PM on 08/05/2010
“Presently, there are two legitimate concerns about the proposed center.
First, with a $100 million price tag, what are the exact sources of funding? The public has a right to know that the donors all subscribe to an open, inclusive and pluralistic vision of the center.
Second, do the center’s leaders reject unconditionally terrorism inspired by Islamist ideology? They must say so unequivocally. This is critical for the institution’s credibility. There is no room here for verbal acrobatics. Otherwise, the pall of suspicion around the leaders’ true attitudes toward groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah will grow – spelling the center’s doom.” (David Harris).
I agree with David Harris’ concerns, however, his concerns are grounds in my opinion for “indecision”.
In addition because something is legal doesn’t make it desirable. If a sectarian institution so close to “sacred ground” for all Americans, violates the sensibilities of many people, it defeats the announced purpose of “healing”. This in itself is grounds for good faith reconsideration by the organizers. I have heard no objections to a center, only the specific location as well as David Harris’ two enunciated concerns.
This is not a religious freedom issue. It is not a “local” zoning issue. It is an emotional national issue.
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11:59 PM on 08/03/2010
First and for most why Jewish American groups are in arms (ADL and AJC in this case) against this project..?
One may ask a stupid question, Is New York city in Israel or USA..? Why certain Jewish commentators opt to ignore or exclude the fact there were American Muslims who also died in 9/11 attacks and their families have endured the same as the rest of other families..?
I can’t phantom why ADL and AJC publicizing or stressing so much on their past contribution to fight against bigotry and injustice in this country in order to justify their position to this project.
Would someone take the pains and please talk to me like I’m six years old and explain to me what exactly I’m missing in this picture….?
Thanks in advance,
03:16 AM on 08/04/2010
The AJC isn't against this project. Where did you get that? What has happened is, the ADL, chairman, has come out taking the position of being against the mosque's location due to sensitivity issue's of the victims of 911. This then has caused other Jewish organizations and individuals to speak out showing opposing and different views, proving the ADL doesn't speak on behalf of all American Jews. Mayor Bloomberg is in favor of the mosque, and Shalom Center where 24 Rabbi's are also ok with it.

See this Rick Sanchez video interviewing Rabbi Waskow of the Shalom Center, he disagree's with the ADL's position..

http://ricksanchez.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/03/rabbi-not-all-muslims-tarred-with-terrorism/
07:52 PM on 08/04/2010
Rick Sanches hit a guy with his car and fled the scene. Obviously, his judgement ins't good.
01:39 PM on 08/15/2010
The AJC is not against this project, but they should be. It is incredibly offensive and insensitive to all New Yorkers who lost loved ones on 9/11, including Muslims. To wit, see the excellent article by Neda Boulourchi at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/06/AR2010080603006.html. This is not about religious freedom or tolerance, it is about a sign of conquest by believers in a type of Islam that is anathema to the freedoms we enjoy in America. Just as they put the Dome of the Rock on the site of our Holy Temple in Jerusalem, they want to raise an incredibly large, towering mosque at the site of Ground Zero, where terrorists in the name of radical Islam murdered 3000 Americans. I am really shocked that people as smart as David Harris and Foxman are in favor of this. If this were just about Islam and promoting peace, they would be glad to build it elsewhere. They want to build it right there for the reasons enumerated above. How is our State Department funding this Imam to fundraise at governnment expense? Where is separation of church and state now? This is a complete outrage. Freedom loving Jews, Christians, and Muslims, as well as all faiths should stand united in opposition to this towering monument of insensitivity and Islamic conquest of America.
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02:48 PM on 08/25/2010
The "Islamic Conquest?" - are you for real? That's what they used to say about Irish, Chinese and Jews by the way.
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05:03 PM on 08/03/2010
Do the mosque's creators really need to answer David Harris' questions?
Imam Abdul Rauf wrote a book called "What's Right With Islam Is What's Right with America"

In a 60 Minutes interview shortly after the September 11 attacks Imam Rauf said, "Fanaticism and terrorism have no place in Islam" and went on to say, "I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened."[3] When the interviewer asked Rauf how he considered the U.S. an accessory, the Imam replied, "Because we have been accessory to a lot of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA."[4]

Is that good enough? There's no denying that Osama and the Taliban were funded and trained by the US. Maybe "unintentional" accomplice would have been better, but aren't we splitting hairs?
He does say "fanatacism and terrorism have no place in Islam." I don't really see any equivocation there.
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05:41 PM on 08/03/2010
"He does say "fanatacism and terrorism have no place in Islam."

It may be true but why not condemn real actions and actual participants in terrorism acting under Islam banner?? It's like hypocritically condemning abortions and promoting it in pure countries at the same time.
07:54 PM on 08/04/2010
"fanatacism and terrorism have no place in islam, except when it does."
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07:18 PM on 08/14/2010
Just what about our funding of the Taliban made them our enemies?

Innocent lives have been lost on both sides in every war in history.

What is special about this one that makes America an accessory to 9/11 and makes bin Laden "made in America?"
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01:36 PM on 08/03/2010
In reply to swordfis - Kosher law cannot be fairly analogized to Shariah law. Does Kosher law teach that if you leave the faith of Judaism you must die? Does Kosher law teach death to the infidels? Does Kosher law sanction death by stoning today(in entire countries such as Iran)? Does Kosher law promote the burning of girls alive in a school by locking the gates and doors (in modern times - just recently)? If it does, then no, I do not believe it should have the protections of the First Amendment.
02:14 PM on 08/03/2010
No, Sharia isn't the same as Kosher law. In many other countries where it is practiced, you're right that it leads to horrendous results.

Nobody, however, is proposing that Sharia - or Kosher law, or any other religious law - be allowed to trump our laws here on U.S. soil. Eating only halal meat would be fine, while stoning would be first-degree murder.
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12:54 AM on 08/04/2010
shuuoosh you are on the wrong board, keep it low dude no hornblowing here...or take it else where..and i don't believe you have the 1 amndmnt here too, Thanks.
07:32 AM on 08/03/2010
No mosque on ground zero. It's like a poke in the eye of America. If the Muslims want to be sensitive, they can build somewhere else, just out of respect for the families of the people lost in 9/11, instead of using the american peoples desires to be p.c. and using our own laws to do what they want and calling everyone racist, when they disagree.
09:05 AM on 08/03/2010
"It's like a poke in the eye of America."

It's only a poke in the eye if terrorist do it. Muslims did not. That is the racist view you hold, but claim does not exist.

"just out of respect for the families of the people lost in 9/11"

Muslims died too in the attacks, but you love to ignore them.

"and using our own laws to do what they want and calling everyone racist, when they disagree. "

OUR LAWNS? That statement is 100% proof of your Islamophobia and Xenophobia. Muslims can be American too. But they "are not one of us"? Of course you are racist. Like many other ignorant people in the world.

Look beyond your narrow view.
03:54 PM on 08/03/2010
Islam is not a race. Maybe you should stop calling people ignorant.
11:32 PM on 08/03/2010
Xenophobia is an uncontrollable fear of foreigners. You, Raigerzero, yourself associated muslims with foreigners, is that what you really meant to say? The prevailing majority of muslims are not terrorists, but the prevailing majority of terrorists are muslims. It's true regardless whether you admit it or not. If you are denying it, then look beyond your narrow view. Whether you like or not, there will be people hurt by the mosque built at ground zero, and I will be one of them. Even though I understand the good intentions of the muslim community to "build bridges", I am also thinking that muslim community, if truly sensitive, would step back and move the building site somewhere else out of the sensitivity to any single person who may still be in pain. This decision would be an example of their broad view. This would be an example of muslim community being considerate and sensitive to a christian or a jew or someone non-religious who also died at ground zero. Lets be more careful in choosing the ways of "building bridges".
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12:55 AM on 08/04/2010
Who is "your" American or America for that matter..?
01:50 AM on 08/04/2010
let me answer your question, benhor:

it's the people who fight islamic terrorists... it's the people who denounce islamic fascism... do you denounce islamic radicalism?
04:14 AM on 08/03/2010
Mr. Harris, even with your uncalled for conditions, your position is far better than that of the ADL. Can you have a talk with Mr. Foxman?

Please take a look at this video from a co-sponsor of the proposed mosque:
http://charterforcompassion.org/learn/talks/imam-faisal-abdul-rauf
03:48 AM on 08/03/2010
But don't you see? Equating the "Muslims" who flew the planes with the true Muslims who want to build the Center is just as wrong, stupid and bigoted as equating Timothy McVeigh with true
Christians. Should we be against building a Christian church two blocks away from the Murrah
Building in Oklahoma City?

Look at this video from a co-sponsor of the proposed mosque:
http://charterforcompassion.org/learn/talks/imam-faisal-abdul-rauf
09:06 AM on 08/03/2010
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03:58 PM on 08/03/2010
Not really. McVeigh never claimed his religion inspired his actions. The same can not be said for the9-11 hijackers. A more apt comparison would be if a non-state militia built a complex with a firing range near the Oklahoma bomb site.
11:44 PM on 08/03/2010
And I would be against it as much as I am against the mosque project. ASMA wants to "build bridges". Wrong place. If ASMA steps back, change plans, and moves the construction site out of them being sensitive to the people who still may be hurt, I would applause to this decision. You can't "build bridges" by forcing your way through regardless of how MANY people feel about it.
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03:29 PM on 08/25/2010
McVeigh, though, had links with "Christian Identity", a radical (racist) Christian group. They are a small unrepresentative faction within Christianity, just as Al Qaeda is a small unrepresentative faction within Islam.
02:01 AM on 08/03/2010
Just because someone has the right to do something doesn't make it right to do it. Legality and morality -- not to mention common decency -- are different things. If I stood on Ground Zero and shouted, "All Arabs are terrorist murderers," that would be First Amendment-protected speech. But it would still be wrong, stupid, and bigoted. Building a mosque on Ground Zero is similarly wrong, stupid, and insensitive.
03:33 AM on 08/03/2010
But don't you see? Equating the "Muslims" who flew the planes with the true Muslims who want to build the Center is just as wrong, stupid and bigoted as equating Timothy McVeigh with true
Christians. Should we be against building a Christian church two blocks away from the Murrah
Building in Oklahoma City?

Look at this video from a co-sponsor of the proposed mosque:
http://charterforcompassion.org/learn/talks/imam-faisal-abdul-rauf
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08:02 AM on 08/03/2010
How do you know they are "true Muslims"? And what does that exactly mean, anyway? I am pretty sure that those that flew the planes considered themselves "true Muslims", too.
03:48 AM on 08/03/2010
But don't you see? Equating the "Muslims" who flew the planes with the true Muslims who want to build the Center is just as wrong, stupid and bigoted as equating Timothy McVeigh with true
Christians. Should we be against building a Christian church two blocks away from the Murrah
Building in Oklahoma City?

Look at this video from a co-sponsor of the proposed mosque:
http://charterforcompassion.org/learn/talks/imam-faisal-abdul-rauf
12:11 PM on 08/03/2010
Much talk of compassion in the video to gull the gullible. His many quotes from peace-loving Sufi Muslims obscures the fact that the Sufis are ruthlessly persecuted all over the Muslim world both Shi'a and Sunni. Yes, compassion. But for whom? Other Muslims only. And if they wish to leave the faith -- execution. That's Islamic compassion. And that is MAINSTREAM Islam. Don't believe it? Do some research. I mean research other than Muslim sites for naive westerners. Here's an article from India on Sufi Islam and why it is being eradicated by Muslims! http://21centuryindia.blogspot.com/2006/11/continuing-persecution-of-sufis-in.html
12:08 AM on 08/03/2010
I sympathize and with the people who want to allow the mosque at Ground Zero as a symbol of religious tolerance. However, everyone seems to miss a critically important reason for NOT building
the mosque there.
Muslim "crazies" will broadcast the establishment of a mosque at Ground Zero as a symbol of their victory over the Great Satan and an important step toward establishing their world-wide caliphate. No rational person would think that way -- but Muslim extremists are not rational.
03:36 AM on 08/03/2010
I disagree. Muslim "crazies" would broadcast the prohibition of a mosque at Ground Zero as proof of America's "war against Islam".
02:24 PM on 08/03/2010
If this center does indeed promote tolerance, and welcomes Jewish & Christian visitors, then the "crazies" will see it as a disaster.
09:44 PM on 08/02/2010
I normally am for religious tolerance. And in a democratic society, there shouldn't be any reason for them not to build an Islamic Center in that location.
But in the real world, there is a world of pain involved in that decision. The danger is, of course, that somewhere down the line, some angry citizen is going to take it upon himself to act against that center.
I could expect it to be bombed at some point. Feelings run that high about this issue in some parts of the citizenry. I think the Islamic community is being at once, both extraordinarily insensitive to the American community, and incredibly shortsighted.
Also, building in that location gives the appearance of great arrogance.
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12:23 AM on 08/03/2010
"I think the Islamic community is being at once, both extraordinarily insensitive to the American community, and incredibly shortsighted."

911 perpetrators were not Americans, the people building the center ARE Americans; what are you suggesting Muslims are not American community material?
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07:30 PM on 08/14/2010
Some are, some aren't. Depends on their attitude toward Islamic law.
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shivadas
10:41 PM on 08/03/2010
How dare you say that Americans having a community center are "being at once, both extraordinarily insensitive to the American community, and incredibly shortsighted,"? You don't have that right. The Muslim community in America does have the right to religious freedom, however. Your opinions are very insensitive to the Constitution and the American way.
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Marc Ginsburg
07:36 PM on 08/02/2010
Dear Mr. Harris,
I know it took a lot of courage to take this stand when so many other Americans, in the name of America, are taking the opposite. I heartily praise you because you are one Jew who remembers our long often blood-filled history of intense persecution, hatred, bigotry and banishment. I support your call in doing this for people around the world, both Muslim and non-Muslim, to recognize the difference between Islam, a religion of peace and brotherhood, and Islamiscism, a ideology of hatred and horror, not unlike many movements that promote hatred and violence in the name of Christ and of Jewish supremacy in certain places. And as I believe true Christians and true Jews who follow their respective religions' tenets should loudly denounce these abuses among those claiming to be followers, so too should adherents of Islam be the first to loudly denounce the practices of terrorist groups, and, as such, you are absolutely correct in asserting the the proponents of the Cordoba Center should denounce the horrors of September 11, 2001 in the location they propose to build their center of healing and compassion. And one thing can be said about the European perpetrators of hatred nowadays. They are anti-Semitic in the truest sense. They don't discriminate when it comes to the sons of Shem. They are as anti-Moslem as they are anti-Jew.
12:32 PM on 08/03/2010
Such faulty logic. So little time. Equating Christian and Jewish "supremacists" with Islamic ones when 99% of terrorism is by Muslims is the type of sophistry that is meant to equate everyone and thereby let Islam off the hook. You're talking in generalities about Europeans as "perpetrators of hatred". so allow me to do the same. The Europeans welcomed Muslims into their countries. Some Muslim communities proved to be ungrateful guests. Some members of the community have made life hell for Jews, so much so that many French Jews are leaving France. And that's not the only place this is happening. The main perpetrators of anti-Semitism in Europe today are Muslims, not non-Muslim Europeans.The Europeans themselves are not able to venture into certain Muslim areas in their own countries. There is no distinction between mainstream Islam and Islamicism, even though you think there is. There is the face that Islam presents to the non-Muslim world and then there is the true face of Islam when it speaks to the believers in their own language. Go to memri.org to hear mainstream Muslim clerics speak about Islam in their own languages (with English subtitles) and then you tell me there is any difference. Marc, you want to make common cause with Muslims -- look, we're Semites, too, and it's those bad, intolerant Europeans who are the real problem? That is not the real world, my friend.
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shivadas
10:43 PM on 08/03/2010
What makes you think that 99% of terrorism is Muslim? That is preposterous.
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01:24 AM on 08/04/2010
No wonder you watch and read MEMRI.ORG and even consider it a worthy source, I thought Faux was a nutwingers hotpot but your source is the devil incarnated in the form loathing horde, my friend.
Just small correction, there are about 1.6 billion Muslims in the world of which 19 to 21% are Arabs who are Semites, if you know what the term implies to..!
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07:41 PM on 08/14/2010
"the proponents of the Cordoba Center should denounce the horrors of September 11, 2001"

Words are cheap. Let's see some action. Remove the texts that support Islamic supremacy through jihad out of Islam.

That is the root cause of 9/11, not American foreign policy or support of the Taliban against the Russians.

There is a reason there are no Quaker or Jain terrorists. It's the texts.
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02:40 PM on 08/25/2010
There are passages in the Bible that were used to justify Slavery, don't forget.
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07:19 PM on 08/02/2010
But granting Islam/Shariah law First Amendment protection, without question, fails to consider the consequences of the tenets of Shariah law in modern times. Do the tenets of Shariah law really represent a belief system that correctly falls within the definition of a religion? Everyone should step back and take a deep breath and ask not whether we can interfere with someone or some entity's First Amendment right but rather whether those groups who adhere to Shariah law are entitled to First Amendment protection. This is not a farfetched crazed right wing concern - why aren't all the First Amendment complainers showing some concern for the people upon whom the wrath of Shariah law has been most outrageously and cruelly implemented without any outcry, apparently, for the outright disregard for human rights and decency. The Cordoba Center, if supportive of Shariah law (as Islam requires), should not be cloaked in the privileged protection of the First Amendment.
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12:35 PM on 08/03/2010
I adhere to the kosher laws. Aren't I entitled to First Amendment protection? So why not Muslims? Sharia law is a practice of continual interpretation of texts, much like Torah study.
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shivadas
10:44 PM on 08/03/2010
Fanned and favorited for being a reasonable soul.
08:21 PM on 08/04/2010
"Sharia law is a practice of CONTINUAL INTERPETATION of texts."

That isn't LAW.
01:34 PM on 08/03/2010
I understand your concern, but I don't see how denying First Amendment protection to Islamic spokespersons is the answer nor would we want to consider such an abridgement of freedom. (It would be different if an individual incited others to commit a criminal act.) We have the right under the First Amendment to answer speech we do not agree with and the facts will speak for themselves. Those who enforce Shariah law in the U.S., and in doing so violate American law, will be prosecuted.
06:47 PM on 08/02/2010
Whoa! Why the name Cordoba? Could it be that the great Mosque in Cordoba was turned into a Church when Jews and Muslims were thrown out of Spain many hundreds of years ago? If the name comes from the motive of revenge for an ancient slight, then the answer has to be no go because Cordoba is a fighting word. If the name of the proposed center was the New York Islamic Center for International Peace and Equity, I'd go for it. However, they are stating off on the wrong foot that foretells the kind of place it would become.
04:07 AM on 08/03/2010
If you knew anything about history, you would understand that Cordoba was the capital of the Muslim caliphate in Spain, where for some 600 years, Muslims, Jews, and Christians lived in peace and mutual productivity together, moreso than at any other time in history, until Her Catholic Majesty Queen Isabella drove the Muslims and Jews who wouldn’t convert to Christianity out of Spain.

Your dreaming up the "revenge" motive says more about you than about the Muslims in New York. Look at this video from a co-sponsor of the proposed mosque:
http://charterforcompassion.org/learn/talks/imam-faisal-abdul-rauf
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12:36 PM on 08/03/2010
Thank you for inserting facts into this discussion.
02:31 PM on 08/03/2010
Dig a little deeper. Jews and Christians under Islamic rule were as non-Muslims assigned the class status of dhimmi. The dhimmi was a distinctly subjugated second class non-citizen almost slave who was subjected to dictatorial deprivation of any legal and human rights as a non-Muslim permanent resident in a Muslim state. What's worse this continues to the present day in the form of jihad. Think of the the dozens of Islamic republics that exist today and how minorities are treated.
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01:29 AM on 08/04/2010
Do you know what is Qurdubah? Cordoba is the spanish version and how the old mosque got the name Cordaba..?

Go and find it out and you will be suprised...!!!
06:26 PM on 08/02/2010
Being PC will be the downfall of our country. When dealing with fundamentalist, Radical Muslims, what folks who mean well seem to miss is that part of their teachings and part of their culture is dualism. Say one thing in English to the public, say something strikingly different to your Muslim brothers and sisters. This is obvious when you look at Arafat or the current head of the PA. They say one thing publicly and something very different in Arabic on the Arabic news. People need to understand what we are dealing with. Radical Muslims will stop at nothing and it's crucial that we determine who is funding this project. That will tell all. Whether or not they stand up against Hamas - they can say whatever they want. The fact that they are insisting on putting this huge building so close to the sacred ground of ground zero, despite the hurt and reaction of victims' families speaks volumes to me.
03:59 AM on 08/03/2010
"... part of their teachings and part of their culture is dualism. Say one thing in English to the public, say something strikingly different to your Muslim brothers and sisters."

In effect, you have said that all Muslims are "fundamentalist, Radical Muslims". If this isn't the essence of bigotry, I don't know what is.