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Green and Atheist: The Incompatibility of Religion and Environmentalism

Posted: 05/21/10 12:49 PM ET

We all know there are all kinds of things that religion is incompatible with -- democracy, science, social equity, rational debate, blind justice. But it is sometimes thought that being an environmentalist is compatible with religious belief. That you could divorce irrational beliefs about imaginary friends, the subordinate role of women, and the importance of neoconservative government from rational concerns about the state of the planet. Sorry, can't be done.

To be a greenie concerned about the future of the planet, you have to, well, be concerned about the future of the planet. Religious people, even putting aside the Left Behind loonies, aren't really concerned, because they have an imaginary friend who will look after them if they are good and pray hard and wear the right clothes and don't cut their hair. Only atheists understand, deep down, that there is no divine Lone Ranger out there coming to the rescue; that if we don't save our own planet, no one else will. It is odd that the Libertarians among the religious, so big on self-reliance for individuals and communities, don't apply that principle to the Earth as a whole.

And religious people wear blinkers that prevent them from being greenies. To be a greenie means to wholeheartedly embrace the concept that we are part of the natural world; that we are just one species among tens of millions that have evolved over billions of years (one of the more abundant species, sure, and one of the most destructive, but there are certainly no special arrangements applying uniquely to our species); and that we are very closely related to many of those species, quite closely to many others, and related to all of them to some degree. Greenies really understand the proposition that all these species are in it together, that we are all cousins, that we all come from a common ancestor, and that all have either a complete right to exist or no right to exist, not some of one and some of another.

To be a greenie means to be fully aware of the complexity of ecology. The intricate web of life ties together the fluttering of a butterfly's wings in China with a hurricane in Florida; keeps the Amazon rainforest and the African desert functioning; is affected by an oil spill off the coast of Louisiana or acidity on the Great Barrier Reef; provides fertile soil and clean water and clear skies, free of charge; is best helped by those who understand that these ecosystems have evolved naturally over tens of thousands of years, not by those who think the Garden of Eden was a real place and that the Biblical Flood was a real event. Unless you really feel, in your bones, that you are part of the grandeur of life, as dependent on functioning ecology as an ant or an eagle; unless you really feel the wind and the sun and the smell of marshland or grassland rather than driving in your air-conditioned car from your air-conditioned house to your air-conditioned megachurch, blissfully unaware of being part of nature, blissfully believing that you are somehow above all that, that you have have shucked off your animal nature because you clutch an old book that says something about your species being created on a different day and being given dominion over the others; unless you really feel part of the natural world, then you can't really help.

Except perhaps to help fend off some of your brethren who believe that hurricanes are God's punishment for sin; that if we choose to cut down every last tree, it will bring on the End Times; that oil spills don't matter. Maybe you can run interference while atheists get on with trying to save the planet.

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Robert Gutleben
02:31 PM on 05/25/2010
Apparently Mr. Horton, you are limited in your knowledge of religious people. Your comments imply that all people think like fundamentalists. Frankly, as a believer in the way of Jesus, I find the concepts of punishment and reward fail to create faith among those who find God in the soul. We believe God is both the author of human and planetary life. To love God is to love our neighbor and our forests, oceans, and all living creatures.

One of my distant cousins, Albert Schweitzer, professed a belief in "Reverence For Life." He believed that killing any form of life which wasn't aboslutly necessary was a sin. Now I agree that I'm not as radical as cousin Albert, but I work at being conscious and respectful of all life. The earth is our home and our souls are connected to it. I am not looking for another life. The one I've got and the place I live it, earth, is what my faith calls me to charish. I'm not looking for an escape.
10:07 AM on 05/25/2010
In the end I think Mr. Horton is only concerned with fighting a petty turf war here. He's basically saying that the environmental movement is a humanist/atheistic playground where no one else has a right to play. This of course was never true. I was involved in the seventies with the environmental movement, back to the land movement, and the Jesus Freak movement. Basically all the same people. Only the leadership was made up primarily of humanists. That said, for the movement to succeed then, as now, requires everyone to participate. No exceptions. If you truly believe in saving the planet then you must, I repeat must, seek out alliances with religious people, not denigrate their beliefs. The greatest fool is a person who would reject the help of real allies because he won't tolerate their "imaginary friends". If Mr. Horton is correct then the environmental movement and human civilization are kaput.
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yogini4
Think deeper!
02:32 AM on 05/25/2010
I disagree with both the author and with Christians. The ultimate kick in the arse would be having to reincarnate into our mess, oh , let's say 100 years or so down the road. Doncha think? Many of those ruining the earth, our corporate leaders, are actually disproportionately areligious and amoral. This argument doesn't hold water for me. But I'm glad you are an environmentalist.
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gal416
is a Bible verse † † †
12:13 AM on 05/25/2010
I am a born again believer, a Sunday school teacher, a song leader, and choir directer in the Southern Baptist Church. I believe that what the bible says about the Garden of Eden, Noah and the Flood, and Jonah and the Whale, are all true. I believe that because I believe in God, I'm more connected to the earth, the solar system, the galaxy, and the universe now, more than I ever was as a non-believer. The thing is, my salvation doesn't rest on a garden, a flood, or a whale, the determining factor on where my soul spends eternity is only based on my faith in Jesus Christ the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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yogini4
Think deeper!
02:30 AM on 05/25/2010
So does your faith help you in behaving better on the planet? How do you think it does?
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gal416
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02:56 AM on 05/25/2010
My faith causes me to be more conscientious on a personal level because I would not want to dishonor God by causing harm to His creation. I don't consider myself an activist but like many who comment here on HP, the environmental damage that is going on in the world today hurts me deeply.
been2there
Facts have a liberal bias.
11:37 PM on 05/24/2010
Yes, Mr. Horton, as a religious greenie, I do disagree! The blindered idiot type of "religion" you describe is to true religion as safe is to coal. True religion teaches humility, which facilitates all those traits you listed- democracy, science, social equity, rational debate, blind justice- as well as being green!
02:18 PM on 05/24/2010
You seem to think this and that and the other thing can't be a certain way, but it's religious people who are closed-minded?
01:57 PM on 05/24/2010
As tempted as I am to join some of the other commenters here in decrying the author's sweeping generalizations and (no doubt intentional) definition of "religion" as "conservative literalist Abrahamic religion," part of me still can't shake the feeling that this is a work of satire. Poe's Law, after all, doesn't just apply to religious fundamentalism...
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Euterpe360
I'm just a little bi-partisan
12:12 PM on 05/24/2010
This post is so rife with bs that it's nearly impossible to find a starting point to begin any meaningful criticism.

So let me offer one simple point. Your conception of people is immature, mindless, simplistic, and reflects an utter callousness and contempt for others. You can not flatly categorize people in such a dualism of the mindless, bigoted fundamentalists and the atheist who is somehow more evolved (and, in a way, holier) than his foil.

Such arrogance to ignore the complexities of people! Everybody, theist and atheist alike, should be offended by the disservice of the reduction of their being to such nonsense. And you do yourself the same disservice, because you are no lesser or greater than any other person.
10:00 AM on 05/24/2010
It is true, all you are saying. To believe in a third person incantation of human thought is the first fatal flaw of religious people. They don't even acknowledge that they are themselves "god(s)" and have seperated from reality. Sorry, you can't believe in both the earth and ghosts. In fact, western religious peoples were the last to join the table on environmental problems and now they claim its what god wanted them to do all along...seriously??? Just one lie after another...just ten years ago this world was for their use and the animals the subjugated. Wow, just astonishing how these eternal religions can change...at the whim of a human...hmmmm
08:06 AM on 05/24/2010
Robert H Nelson, a senior fellow with the Independent Institute in Oakland, Calif., and a professor of environmental policy at the University of Maryland, argues that environmentalism is a new secular religion which has its roots in Calvinism.

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/opinion/op_ed/article/ED-NELSON22_20100421-181204/339023/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIIT330MmlU
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David Horton
04:25 PM on 05/24/2010
Does he think that people who look after their health are starting a new religion based on body worship?
11:41 AM on 05/26/2010
Plenty of people seek "salvation" through attempts at perfecting their bodies, set absolute rules for themselves, and when they fail to follow these rules feel guilt at their "sin". It's not a perfect analogy, but the psychological dynamics are very similar to religion. Another way to look at it is that all religions are a form of obsessive compulsive disorder.
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liz mclellan
01:34 AM on 05/24/2010
- And - You do neither the secular/atheist nor green cause ANY good with this sort of crap...
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Uncle Bob
Darwin loves you.
02:06 AM on 05/24/2010
I disagree. Mocking the absurdities in our media is healthy. He's not just mocking theists, IMO, it he is more so mocking the morality arguments that are often viewed as legitimate.

And no doubt, that line of talk deserves a lot of mocking.
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Raphi
07:02 PM on 05/23/2010
I studied forest soil ecology. Almost all plants, especially trees, grow with fungus on their roots. Called mycorrhizae. Around which is a complex system of interacting critters, making symbiosis the dominant mode of existence on this planet. So what.

Scientific analysis does not translate into a value system, judging what should be. If we humans are the product of the biological forces of evolution, then we are just a part of nature. Neither better nor worse than anything else.

Evolutionary theory assumes both purposeless and randomness. A simplified ecosystem is then a priori neither good nor bad. Even if human caused, since humans are part of the process. Like any other predator. Or forces such as vulcanism, meteor strikes, or gamma radiation from supernovas. What survives is "fit" by definition.

Deciding we like diversity, that we find the natural world beautiful, is a value judgement. More akin to the aestheics of art, the other mode of human understanding. Which includes, even if you deny it, the cultural legacy of the world's philosophical and religious traditions.

As a person of religion, I should not be subject to automatic, knee-jerk condemnation by group. Any more than I should be as someone transgendered and gay.

How can expertise be no depth of knowlege or experience whatsoever of the subject? Illogical. And as illogical, then some other motivation. Anger, a scapegoat to blame, the inability or distrust of thinking poetically. Whatever. It seems more personal psychology than scientific rationality.
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David Horton
07:34 PM on 05/23/2010
"Deciding we like diversity, that we find the natural world beautiful, is a value judgement" - um, no, Raphi, the diversity is what keeps ecosystems functioning, and healthy ecosystems are as essential to human survival as to that of other organisms. There is a considerable difference between living in nature and setting out to destroy nature - I'm not sure that you really believe that human aspirations involve behaving like a meteor strike. Oh and you might want to go back to your evolution text books about randomness and stuff.
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Raphi
08:21 PM on 05/23/2010
Obviously, you're going to have advantage of the last word. I'll wade in anyway.

How do you know a prori what is essential to human survival? You seem to be arguing about what kind of human survival-- and that's value judgment. Why is human survival at all a necessity for the rest of the biosphere? Besides, this evolutionary experiment may have a few million years to go yet.

And what is "living in nature?" Look at my NW Indian art avatar; I do have some experience with nature. Might be fun if you suggest those who cause the problem-- through the materialistic economic systems of Euro-Americans-- remove themselves from the planet. Nice condemnation of a whole group, eh?

And can humans behave in unnatural ways? As a gay transgender, I love going there. Who judges what is or is not destruction in strictly rational terms? When those stromatolite aerobes evolved, it destroyed the dominant anaerobic ecosystem.

Destruction is what some or all humans are setting out to do? If that's a purpose, you're sneaking the religious idea of teleology in the back door.

Nice dig about "textbooks and randomness and stuff." You know as well as I do the assumptions of evolution. That mutations occur that convey fitness. Not because of any predetermination, but because of random chance. And that those unpredictable characteristics give rise to forms that survive in either new niches or in changed climates.
06:39 PM on 05/23/2010
Seriously?
I cannot take this article seriously.
Probably because you are grossly uninformed.
All Christian denominations teach something called STEWARDSHIP TO THE EARTH
and most non-Christian religions have something similar.
Taking care of the Earth has huge importance as God created the Earth for us to inhabit and take care of.
The Earth itself contains a sort of spirtual significance for many religions as well.
Here is a good Christian example of this: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0800637267/

Please, Mr. Horton, get your facts straight before you start writing commentary based on your own misunderstandings of religion.
06:38 PM on 05/23/2010
This is one of the more ridiculous things I've ever read.

No, atheists are NOT the only ones who could understand that human beings have to take responsibility for their actions and that no one is going to swoop down from on high to save us, nor are they the only ones who can understand and appreciate the complex beauty of life-- how amazingly, blindingly egocentric for you to write this, much less believe it!

This sort of name-calling and lack of respect-- from both sides, religious and atheistic-- is part of the problem we have with communication between disagreeing factions in this country. You're not helping, here.

Get yourself a Green Bible. Or visit a UU or UCC or Episcopal church. Talk to some religious people who aren't all loaded on anti-environmental side of the teeter-totter; there are plenty of us out here. Geez, even the formal doctrine of the Catholic Church acknowledges that we are obligated to honor the environment as God's creation, and as such we have a responsibility to see to its health. Basically, do some cursory research before writing up an entire article dismissing a group of people as daydreaming idiots next time, okay?
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auret
05:27 PM on 05/23/2010
this article is nothing but hate speech.
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
05:42 PM on 05/23/2010
It certainly does this 'New Atheism' little credit as a bastion of reason when they keep claiming their belief proves all these negatives.

Doesn't mean *science* is a religion, as the Fundies say, either, but the above here isn't reason.
01:33 AM on 05/24/2010
Well, it does present a cartoonish picture of both religion and atheism. It is hard to take seriously. But the "hate speech" thing is thrown around altogether too much for my taste these days.