A big autism bomb went off yesterday, about how US medical personnel had determined that vaccines had aggravated a little girl's mitochondrial disorder, resulting in autism. Now, the American people are left to interpret what it all means.

Here is a handy guide. You can:

A) Blindly trust what government officials are saying (or not saying)

or

B) Invest 30 minutes in the future of your nation's young people (do it now, over a nice, warm latte!) and go Google for yourself.

OPTION A:

Yesterday, Dr Paul E. Jarris, Executive Director of the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials (ASTHO) sent an email to his colleague, Anna DeBlois, on how officials should respond to the glaring headlines emanating from Atlanta.

"You may have seen the recent media interest in a vaccine-autism lawsuit which was settled by the federal government," he wrote. Apparently, someone in the federal government had reached Dr. Jarris and told him to pass on the following (internal) explanation:

The case was settled because the vaccine worsened the child's underlying and previously undiagnosed disorder, causing impaired brain function. These symptoms of impaired brain function then led to an autism spectrum disorder. The federal government maintains that vaccines do not cause autism, and that this case does not indicate any change in their position on the issue.

TRANSLATION (An Anti-Syllogism): "Vaccines cause brain impairment, and brain impairments cause autism. Therefore vaccines do not cause autism."

Meanwhile yesterday, back in Washington, Bush administration officials would not comment on the case, saying they needed permission, "from the person who submitted the information" to the court.

TRANSLATION (Auto-Censorship): "We really, really want to explain WHY we folded like a tent without so much as a whisper of a defense, but that would require asking permission from our lawyer (the DOJ), which we are unwilling to do.

And most recently, CDC Director Julie Gerberding told the media that the American people need to "set aside this very isolated, unusual situation," even though "the court apparently made the decision that it is fair to say that vaccinations may have been one of the precipitators."

TRANSLATION: (Middlebrow Bureaucratese) "I am either an exceedingly ignorant, untruthful or misleading Director, because there is no evidence at all that this situation is 'isolated and unusual' (indeed, the evidence points to the opposite), and because the court 'decision' was not made by the court at all, but rather by medical doctors who work for the US Secretary of Health and Human Services," otherwise known as Dr. Gerberding's boss.

OPTION B)

Google "autism and mitochondria," (96,900 hits) and then Google "mercury and mitochondria," (169,000 hits) and draw your own, informed conclusions.

Now, enjoy your coffee (and your good citizenship).

PS: The next time someone tells you that this girl does not have autism, but only the "symptoms" of autism, you tell them that the definition of autism is having the symptoms of autism. Period. Hannah Poling has autism as defined by every medical book, on every shelf, in every library -- including at the colleges where all these government officials received their degrees.



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I owe several people on here an apology. I accused them of being hypocrites, and here I am doing the same thing by treating them like they treat us. Such ideological terrorism doesn't do any of us any good, and it certainly doesn't help our children. So, I will call for a truce and ask that the various parties associated with the verbal sparring step back and be more respectful to each other. Such discussion leads to a better understanding of ideas. I'm sure we can all agree on that.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 03/14/2008

I would like to respectfully submit that there are different kinds of respect. Respect for opposing points of views is one. Respect for facts in another. Both have been in short supply here.

It's possible to point out a logical fallacy or false statement without resorting to personal attack. I too will try to be more repectful.

In the spirit of team building, political solidarity, and reconciliation, I would like to offer four simple statements that I think we can all agree on.

1. Anecdotes are unreliable

2. The scientific method is the best way that we know for separating the wheat of truth from the chaff of nonsense

3. Correlation is not the same as causation

4. Health care fraud is a serious problem, and the bad guys prey on people who don't understand the first three points.

Discuss.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 03/17/2008

David Kirby is a pioneering crusader working against a ton of money-armed big-pharma lobbyists. Unless someone who touts the wonders of vaccines has a child who has been adversely affected by a vaccine, I doubt that advice can be taken seriously.
My only concern is the focus on mercury preservative as the basic culprit. The toxins that vaccines are made out of can cause all the devlopmental delays and leaky gut that happens, without the intrusion of thimerosol.
For a run-down of vaccine ingredients and to find out what the drug manufacturers do not want us to know, check out http://vaccinerisksreport.com.
Thank you again to David Kirby for keeping a good eye on the government goings on, without which we may not have found out about the amazing result in the Hannah Poling case.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 03/13/2008

Mr. Kirby-,
I love your posts. Thank you for sharing such great content with us.
I linked to one of your posts on my own blog (hope that is ok), as vaccines are a huge interest and passion of mine.
Thankfully a loved one caught my interest on the vaccine controversy, and studied up on it before my first was born. Both of my children are vaccine-free, and it is my intention to keep them that way.
The posts that you make keep me encouraged, and lead me to believe that I am doing the right thing. For that, I thank you.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 03/10/2008

I don't know if you know about this or not, everyone, but apparently, the government has "quietly" conceded several other vaccine injury cases since 1990. Apparently, this is starting to become a trend with the Gov'ment and the CDC. Here are the articles.

http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080307/LIFE/803070318/1004

and

http://www.washingtonindependent.com/view/recent-vaccine

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 03/09/2008

The gov't has "conceded" 2,000 vaccine cases in the past 20 years. I don't what constitutes "quiet", but it's all public record.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 03/12/2008

I was giving this information to the restof the group because I wasn't sure they knew. But thank you for clarifying. And it's quiet because the government has sealed the records, and in several of the cases, they conceded without any evidentiary hearings.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 03/12/2008

Private medical information is sealed, but the cases themselves are public. The gov't has paid out $1.75 billion over the years to compensate vaccine injured persons. It's no secret.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 03/13/2008

Mr Kirby,
Thank you so much for covering this story and for all that you do. Thank you for standing up and speaking out on this.
One of our twin boys was recently diagnosed with ASD on Aug 13 2007 shortly after they turned 4 years old. This is how WE learned about Autism:
http://www.whatkindofworlddoyouwant.com/videos/view/id/664709

If I could only turn back the hands of time and had the courage to demand they spread out the vaccines that were given to the twins. Recently I had to take Cameron in because his cold worsened. The Kaiser Dr raked me over the coals for not having the the twins given the "tainted" Flu Vaccine.
I said "I know the difference, and this is NOT the flu" She replies back "Well we'll see about that!" She checks him and says "Oh ok, he has pneumonia and a slight ear infection"
I snapped back saying " So your FLU VACCINE would NOT have prevented this! Right?"

I have no clue if this has something to do with ALL the many vaccines given to him that slowly but surely changed our son. All I know is the diagnosis is AUTISM and that our insurance coverage either barely covers or will NOT cover much of the needed therapies he needs. I recently called to question their clause LIMIT OF "20 therapy visits per calendar year, per family member " Even their pediatrician has recommended many of these therapies for Cameron.
Kaiser Membership services replied "Well there is no cure for Autism"
I was livid and said, "Well there is no absolute cure for Cancer, AIDS and Diabetes, but you still cover for those treatments!"

Just ticks me off that month after month, year after year, of paying for Health / Medical Insurance that we RARELY ever used, but now when we need to use it for Cameron, they refuse to help.

I am so sick of being bullied, threatened, must do as they say or else crap with these vaccines.. like the recent run in with that Dr. on the Flu Vaccine. We've felt like WE have no say in any of this and that we must go with the flow and not cause waves or else.

Keep up the awesome work David!
WE THANK YOU!
Cindy, Chris, and the Twins: Andrew & Cameron

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 03/09/2008

Did your insurance company refuse to pay because they claim that Autism is a pre-existing condition? Mine did that to me. And I make too much money to get government assistance. So, I pay out of pocket, too, and I am slowly but surely going in the hole. Insurance companies are owned by the same corrupt corporate execs who forcefully poisoned our children. And then they refuse to pay for the crime by making us do it. Yes, it makes me sick, too. I'm right there with you, and my prayers and hopes go out to you.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 03/09/2008
Moderator's Pick

HuffPost's Pick

If it seems that the CDC is a shill for Pharma companies - they are.

The CDC is the only government agency specifically allowed by Congress to accept individual payments from the companies that benefit from their public policy decisions. Of course they maintain that there is no connection. However, if you had been paid extra "honorarium" for years for speaking engagements on behalf of a company wouldn't it influence your trust of the company and public policy decision making that would keep the checks coming.

Meanwhile, their decisions affect our kids. If they seem quick to react to this story - it is not just because of public health concerns. The CDC is immensely worried the gravy train is coming to an end.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 03/08/2008

Mr. Kirby, why aren't we seeing a decline in cases of autism? Even if there is some residual mercury exposure to kids, it certainly isn't going up, and if the kids are getting significantly less Thimerosal, we should be seeing the drop in autism rates, which by all accounts we aren't. I can't credit anything you say without having a better answer to that than I have heard. It's irresponsible not to notice whether a factor fails to correlate, because if the incidence of autism is not showing any decline that correlates with the removal of Thimerosal, then people should look for other factors if they are really serious about the problem.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 03/08/2008

Hi, Andygaus - I'm not sure if you heard the Polings TWO theories on what happened to Hannah. They stated them at their press conference, but not on Larry King, I believe.

One was the Thimerosal question. The other was the number of vaccines administered (nine) at Hannah's 18 month visit. Many of us are quite concerned that infants and toddlers are receiving dozens of vaccines before the age of three. We're questioning if this is asking a young, underdeveloped immune system to create too many antibodies too fast. ( Not to mention America's obession with cleanliness - which studies have shown to lower our natural immunity, the kind Mother Nature designed for us, not the kind the comes in vaccines.)

We are also asking about the other ingredients in the shots and the volume of those ingredients.

I recently read the Gardasil literature from Merck - it states that the vaccine was not tested with the eighteen other vaccines with which it could be given at an office visit. The young woman might need a Tetanus booster (25mcg Hg) or a Hep B for travel or a Meningitis vaccination for college. Gardasil was studied and tested in a vaccuum.

A pediatrician will tell a Mom, "Tylenol is safe. Motrin is safe. But alternate the doses, don't give them together." That's reasonable. But vaccines, sometimes 7, 8 or 9 in a visit go in all at once. And no one knows if this is a problem because it hasn't been studied.

So the Thimerosal is in question, as are several other ingredients and vigor of the schedule itself.

Best,

Kim Stagliano
HuffPo blogger
Managing Editor www.ageofautism.com

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 03/09/2008

Dr. Poling says the case was not about thimerosal.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 03/12/2008

No, actually, he said there were 2 possibilities. One is that she was born with the mitochondria disorder and the vaccines caused a stress to her body that worsened the condition. The other is that the vaccine ingredient thimerosal caused the mitochondrial dysfunction.

In both cases, the vaccine was associated with the injury

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 03/12/2008

Heraldblog gets 10 out of 10 for effort.

THIMEROSAL is not OUT of vaccines.

How do we know?

Because the AUTISM rate is going haywire.

Why dont we get exact analyses of mercury in vaccines?

They just pulled one load of vaccines and admitted they had little faults.

Like destroying your HEART.

But the best is yet to come.

The stocks they are destroying go back for DECADES.

So how do we know mercury is out after a mere 3 years?

We MIGHT just get rid of mercury vaccines by 20 20.

And WE might get perfect vision of why we got AUTISM sky high in the 1990 - 2010 period.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 03/08/2008

And you get a 10 out of 10 for circular reasoning!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 03/11/2008

There's an overriding question here that i haven't seen Mr. Kirby or anyone else answer. If this case is so pivotal -- and so representative of the other 5,000 or so cases that are part of the Autism Omnibus proceedings -- then why was it pulled from those proceedings, making it no longer one of the test cases? Surely if the lawyers thought it would be the linchpin to a mass victory in the Omnibus, they would have let it continue?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 03/08/2008

It was the government who conceded. The lawyers for the parents would probably have been happy to go to trial with the case. Apparently this isn't the first time the government has conceded that vaccines caused something that looks like autism, either. http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/03/so-there-are-mo.html

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 03/09/2008

Because the IOM lobbied to have it removed as a test case. Things like a judgement that might just prove that they have been poisoning children with their vaccines might make them look bad, and then their stock would go down.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 03/08/2008

The petitioners have been failing miserably so far in the proceedings. The Poling case was either inserted for the PR value the lawyers knew it would bring to their cause, or else withdrawn when it became apparent the facts don't line up with the petitioners' claims.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 03/08/2008

Oh, and its interesting that you say this as well. Its strange that all of the petitioners have been failing so miserably since this is only the 1st case to go through the court....just an observation.

And I wasn't being sarcastic. I really would like to see where you got your information.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 03/09/2008

Can you show us proof of this? I'd truly like to see the documentation that verifies your claims.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 03/08/2008

Craig, all you have to do with read the transcripts. I've been keeping up with the vaccine court cases since last June. Where do you get your information from, besides David Kirby?

You're a true believe, and no amount of evidence will dissuade you from what you "feel" to be true. I could point to relevant parts of transcripts to make a convincing case that the petitioners' expert witnesses have embarrassed themselves over and over. But what good would that do?

My mind is open. When I see clear, convincing evidence for one of your claims, then I'll admit that I was wrong. Can you say the same thing? What would it take for you to realize you're being played by anti-vaccine activists?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 03/09/2008

ANB...do you see how hypocritical your statement is? You say that no amount of evidence will sway me, but you are the exact same way. You also come on here and ridicule, insult and belittle all of us for our beliefs. And the reason I'm asking for your evidence is because I am curious and want to know. I will also continue to believe what I believe, and so will you. Until I see independant studies that prove otherwise. Studies that are NOT bought and paid for by Big Pharm. I know when I'm wrong, and I always admit when I do. I don't see any current evidence, though, that will make me say I am incorrect.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 AM on 03/10/2008

I don't attack people. I attack bogus ideas. There's a big difference.

I hope I'm wrong about you, and that you are amenable to new information. But all I've seen from you so far is wide eyed credulity to just about everything that David Kirby posts.

Your conspiracy theories don't bring any value to the discussion. I'm no big fan of pharmaceutical companies, but it strains credulity to think that 98% of the nation's doctors are keeping silent while Big Pharma creates generation upon generation of autistic children.

So show me some real evidence that vaccines cause autism. But spare me the leading questions and circular reasoning.

Here's a link to a reasonable summation of one PSC expert:

http://tinyurl.com/35s3fy

Dr. Byers said, under cross examination, that thimerosal is half mercury, half salisylic acid. This self described toxicology expert, paid to testify for the petitioners, does not know what thimerosal is composed of.

Byers also claimed to be associated with UCSF, but under cross it was revealed that her association consisted of taking a course on biostatistics, using the UCSF library, in addition to "attending their parties."

That's what I mean by embarrassing, and if you read or listen to the transcripts there are many or examples like that.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 PM on 03/11/2008

I respect that, and please don't take this statement as if I'm being rude to you, but the comment was aimed at ANB. You have been relatively polite, and I can respect that as well. ANB, however, usually posts sarcasm, insults, snide comments, and has a generally antagonistic and arrogant attitude. I will admit, I let him irritate me and I responded to him in kind. I'm usually not like that, and I usually try not to bring myself down to his level.

I asked him about the information because I do want to know. I WANT some evidence to prove me wrong. I haven't seen it yet. Oh, sure, there's all this science that "proves" that vaccines are safe (please read my posts. I've said on several occassions that I don't believe it's just the mercury), but the information contained in these studies is not provided by independant studies. The companies involved have a direct and vested interest in keeping this information quiet, and that constitutes to a conflict of interest.

I respect your views, Heraldblog, and I respect your right to have them. I ask that ANB respect our views and our right to have them as well. He doesn't need to insult us, he doesn't need to antagonize us, and he doesn't need to use sarcasm to bring across his point. Believe it or not, it does nothing to convince me that he is right, and just convinces me further that I am right.

I don't trust the medical community. I can't. This is the same community of doctors that injected my son with this vaccine. Believe it or not, I have proof of my son's condition and his descent into autism. It is documented. He was walking, talking, and was very advanced, loving and happy for an 18 month old boy. The last words I heard him say were "Go Bye Bye!" as he got into the car on that fateful day to go to the doctor. he hasn't spoken since. He got the shot, started running a 105 fever, developed a condition called Encephalitis. I have CAT scans of his swollen brain. But the doctors tell me that it was "normal." Then, after his diagnosis, they tell me that they can't help him, and that I should institutionalize him. Thank you, no. I know who needs to take care of my son.

And this was within hours of his vaccination.

One of the main things that any doctor will tell you is that to find the cure for a condition, you must first find the cause. I want to know the cause. The only cause I can see right now is the vaccination my son received. What the medical community is telling me is that a genetic condition suddenly caused his autism. Its only a coincidence that this condition didn't begin until hours after his vaccination. A coincidence doesn't happen 1 in 150 times, I'm sorry to say.

All I am asking of ANB and several of the medical mouthpieces like him is respect. I am educated. I've been to college, and I am continuing my education. yet he treats myself and people like me like uneducated hicks. We are not! We have been following this case.

My main point is this: the government, and the medical industry, has been wrong before. They have been engaged in cover-ups and underhanded deals before. I don't forgive or forget things like that so easily.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 03/11/2008

I recieved only 9 vaccinations between my first year and adulthood. Some of these kids, whose brains are not fully formed, have 7 in one day. Thats insane. When you get innoculated your body gets alittle sick so it can make the antibodies. How do they justify giving 7 different innoculations at one time?
No wonder the brain shuts down. I think these doctors have forgotten what these innoculations do to the body and that a 5 year old doesn't have a fully formed brain to with stand the onslot of that many vaccines at once.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 03/08/2008

Excellent article about the spin and the facts.

Please read this article from the Simons Foundation website which is finally dealing with a different aspect of autism more directly than before: http://www.simonsfoundation.org/news/father-s-advanced-age-feeds-autism-risk

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 03/07/2008

Very curious. I wonder if men and women who have children later in life are more likely to have socialization issues as we see with lots of asperger's spectum people. You know the type; they focus on school and profession and only later when hormones aren't the driving force in mate selection as they seem to be when younger, do these people select mates and have offspring. I see a touch of that in my family and it leads me to believe that at least in some cases it could be a factor and for us it's worked out pretty well. Not entirely without problems but overall, a well adjusted bunch whatever our proclivities are. I should add that we've had all our vaccinations just as people do, and we've experienced no mental retardation in silbing and offspring, and instead have a higher percentage of family members who are a bit on the bookish and/or artistic (autistic) side and prefer numbers or text to social interaction, though not to a debilitating degree....and some of us are a treat to have at a party.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 03/08/2008

One thing I was waiting to hear in the news reports was "What about the all children with autism?" There are 1 in 150 kids with ASD at the last count. So what"s that? Over 300,000 kids with ASD? In my mid-size state alone there over 10,000 school age children with autism, Fightingautism has it at a rate of 1 in 81 children with ASD. Only a small fraction of those kids are in this Omnibus Proceedings. I heard the question asked a few times "What does the Poling case mean for the 5,000 cases in Vaccine Court" and in every report I heard the question asked "What can we tell parents who are taking their healthy children for immunizations". But what about all the other 295,000 kids with autism? They seem to be written off with a note of "heartbreak" by the media.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 03/07/2008

Yes, and what about those of us who have been fighting this for 15 years? NO chance of lawsuit....the connection was never even made until 1998-99...WAY beyond the 3 year limit for my son who was born in 1991. It seems that the government should at least help us parents treat our kids. This has been a HUGE frustration for me, knowing in my heart that the Government "mandated" vaccines caused his autism, and then trying to eke out a living on a part time job because as a single parent I can ONLY work while my son is in school, he is severely disabled with Autism. My kids have had to do without so much it makes me sick...especially my son having to go without treatments that may have helped because mom is trying to keep the bills paid. Isn't it about time we get some HELP???

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 03/08/2008

And right there is where you get to the heart of the matter. The reason why the government, the FDA, the CDC and the IOM is so vehemently denying the link is because then, they would be held responsible. You now have around 250,000 children with autism now, and considering that most cases are beginning to show up in middle and lower class incomes, most of whom can't afford the thousand or more dollar a month treatments, that adds up to a LOT of money, espcially if litigation proves the link. They'll have a lot of very angry Americans trying to get justice for the Big Pharm's blunder.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 03/11/2008

It's doubtful that litigation will prove the link. The Poling case is not about thimerosal (Dr. Poling says so himself), and the facts of the case do not clearly indicate a vaccine autism link.

There are several more plausible reasons for the denial by the agencies you list. First, attacks against vaccines, no matter how irrational, undermine the public's confidence in the program. Once the percentage of vaccinated person drops below a certain threshold (90% or so, I think), there exists a real possibility of disease outbreak.'

The second reason is, there is no strong evidence linking vaccines and autism. It's far from clear that there is even an "autism epidemic".