US Medicine: 97% of All Autism Cases Went Undected - Until Now?

Posted May 8, 2008 | 12:44 PM (EST)



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If autism has always been with us in the same high numbers that we see today -- as some scientists and academics contend -- then we should be able to identify the 1 in 150 adults currently living with autism in places like the US and UK.

With all of the media attention on autism these days, one would think that many more adults with the disorder would be seeking out social services, adult education and job training programs, support groups, and other ways that would help their numbers be counted.

Not all adults on the autism spectrum are aware that they have an ASD, and others may not be interested in social services, special education or job training. And of course, many of these services are woefully lacking or unavailable to adults with autism.

But still, by any currently available measure, there appear to be many more people under the age of 18 with autism than there are adults with the disorder.

Anecdotally, this is supported by the fact that, when researchers set out to study adults with autism, they can have a difficult time recruiting enough subjects to complete their investigation. One study, proposed by researchers at the University of California at San Diego, had to be canceled for lack of participants, even though they had conducted outreach through community resources, the internet, local media and advertising.

This idea is also supported statistically by recent data from the Public Health Institute of Scotland, which conducted an audit of services for people with ASD in Scotland, and would also suggest that there are more young people with autism than adults.

Investigators could only find, "a total of 645 adults diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorders in Scotland," the audit said, adding that, "we know that this is a significant underestimate of the total number of adults with autistic spectrum disorders from the comments received with these figures and also the large amount of missing data in this table."

I would bet a billion pounds that there are many more than 645 adults with autism in Scotland. So yes, this is probably a significant underestimate.

But by how much? Is it possible that only one in every 110 adults with autism in Scotland is standing up and being counted?

Let's look at the numbers. There are approximately 3,400 young people with autism in Scotland, born during the 16 years from 1987-2002. That is an average of 212 cases per birth cohort. But among older people, born during the 31 years between 1955 and 1986, there are only about 600 reported cases, or just over 19 cases a year. Click here to Download file

If the rate of autism in Scotland had remained unchanged between 1955 and today, then there are many, many uncounted adults going without support, services, or even much recognition.

In fact, at 212 cases on average per year, there should be nearly 6,600 people with autism in Scotland between the ages of 22 and 53 years alone. But only 600 have signed up for any help at all, in a country with universal healthcare, no less.

Which begs a few questions: Where are the other 6,000 people in that age group with autism? Why have 1 out of every 11 adults with autism never sought, nor received, any special attention for their particular needs? Why have they not been counted? And why is there no national outrage over the neglect of so many thousands of fellow citizens going without services that they need?

In a country the size of Maine, with a population much smaller than New York City, it seems that the government would be able to locate and help these people.

Unless, of course, some of them are not there.

Another way to look at this is by examining the historical numbers in the United States. In the 1980's, the reported rate of autism was about two cases per 10,000. Proponents of the genetic theory of autism say that the rate was much higher than that. But by how much? Was it twice that high? Five times? Ten times?

Let's assume the actual rate in the 1980s was ten times higher, or 20-per-10,000. That would mean that, for every child diagnosed with autism in this country, nine others went completely undiagnosed; left to fend for themselves for all the highly specialized medical, educational and social attention and care many children on the spectrum require.

It is surprising, then, that the American medical and educational establishments would so blithely admit to the neglect -- and some would say malpractice -- heaped upon so many hundreds of thousands of American children so clearly and desperately in need (And if you think that services for mentally retarded kids are appropriate for all ASD children, you are wrong).

Is that possible? Yes it is. And, proponents of the autism-is-all-genetics theory contend, it must have been going on for hundreds of years in this country -- a dark spot on our history, if every there was one.

Only, the scenario would be far worse than that. If autism remained unchanged in this country -- at 67 per 10,000 -- for decades after it was defined as a disorder, then from the 1940s to the late 1980's, 65 out of 67 children with autism were completely missed by their doctors, teachers and parents as having the disorder.

It stretches the outer bounds of plausibility to accept that 97 percent of ALL children with autism went undiagnosed until quite recently. And again, it is surprising that the medical establishment would cop to missing nearly all children with autism in their care. It certainly makes them look like the worst doctors in the world.

On the other hand, it does get vaccines off the hook.

Apparently, it's better to admit you utterly failed to notice so many sick kids in your charge, than to admit you may have been part of their etiology -- however haplessly -- in the first place.

This post originally appeared at the Age of Autism blog


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It's hard to see a child struggle with autism, but it's just as hard to see a child suffer from cancer, cerebral palsy, severe asthma, depression, etc. It's hard to see a child suffer from measles encephalitis, tetanus, diptheria, suffocate from whooping cough, or go deaf or die from h. flu meningitis. As someone who's seen all of these things (thankfully many outside of the country), watching the tears of a parent suffering and knowing that we could have done something to prevent it about beyond gut wrenching. Those parents, like the ones here, have tears too.

So please, remember this when you consider the consequences of refusing vaccines, when you listen to arguments that doubt the safety of shots. This debate isn't going to end anytime soon, so it's up to all of us to think harder and ask for better answers than the ones you've been getting here.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 05/11/2008

Well, it looks like dr p has ridden off into the sunset. His parting words offer little hope that AAP will be investigating vaccine safety, changing their stance on vaccine scheduling, exploring vaccine components alone or in tandem, synergy of thimerosal and aluminum or live viruses, glutathione levels (tylenol), the role of mitochonria testing prior to vaccination, allergic reactions to any of the ingredients in vaccines, and pertinent to the discussion here, why are there more children than adults with autism?

His post regarding what is on his/AAP list of research ideas-

"looking at genetic predispositions related to conditions like prematurity, or advanced maternal or paternal age, for example. Also continue looking for triggers in the environment--mercury in the environment, seafood, etc."


The mercury exposure is a known issue regarding many symptoms including mitochondria damage. It is ironic that AAP will look into toxins on your plate and in your genes via age but ignore that vaccine full of them.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 05/11/2008

dr p

The proof of safety is the issue here. You have not demonstrated that vaccines cannot cause autism and the Poling case has shown that they can. You can dodge this issue but "it is what it is".

There will be more coming too.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 05/11/2008

Hi everyone,
Let me first say how much I appreciate the chance to debate these issues. I have no doubt that Autism is serious struggle and I the highest respect and admiration for parents everwhere who love and care for their kids with it. I think everybody here agrees need answers. But nobody in this discussion here has pointed to a valid study that vaccines=autism or autism=epidemic, or Hannah Poling=vaccines cause autism.

I just want to review exactly what's been going on instead

1) The citing of opinions, commentaries, or presentations to politicians, none of which is hard evidence
2) What studies have been cited are from non-peer reviewed journals--"junk science" that shows that putting too much of anything inside of a cell will cause it to die
3) Attacks on the integrity of pediatricians and medicine
4) Personal attacks against those of us who ask harder questions
5) changing the target from thing to another, thus perpetuating the debate

Everybody has the right to do all of those 5 things. Government, pharma, and doctors certainly haven't been very good at clearing the air. But none of those 5 things answer the fundamental question about what causing autism.

(continued in next post)

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 05/11/2008

This is an an example of factors that contibute, cause, exacerbate--and one that all of AAP has recommended--giving tylenol after vaccination-What do you make of this dr p? Will AAP post this in Pediatrics?

Acetaminophen (paracetamol) use, measles-mumps- rubella vaccination, and autistic disorder: The results of a parent survey. Schultz ST , Klonoff-Cohen HS, Wingard DL, Akshoomoff NA, Macera CA , Ming Ji .


The present study was performed to determine whether acetaminophen (paracetamol) use after the measles-mumps- rubella vaccination could be associated with autistic disorder. This case-control study used the results of an online parental survey conducted from 16 July 2005 to 30 January 2006 , consisting of 83 children with autistic disorder and 80 control children.



Acetaminophen use after measles-mumps- rubella vaccination was significantly associated with autistic disorder when considering children 5 years of age or less (OR 6.11, 95% CI 1.42-26.3), after limiting cases to children with regression in development (OR 3.97, 95% CI 1.11-14.3), and when considering only children who had post-vaccination sequelae (OR 8.23, 95% CI 1.56-43.3), adjusting for age, gender, mother's ethnicity, and the presence of illness concurrent with measles-mumps- rubella vaccination. Ibuprofen use after measles-mumps- rubella vaccination was not associated with autistic disorder. This preliminary study found that acetaminophen use after measles-mumps- rubella vaccination was associated with autistic disorder.
PMID: 18445737 [PubMed - in process

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 05/11/2008

There is no statement from the AAP that directs parents to give tylenol after vaccines.

But again, feel free to change the target from vaccines to anything else. Case control studies that use surveys like the study to which you're referring are subject to a great deal of recall bias--that is, asking people to remember things after the fact is prone to subjects failing to remember of misremembering. If you wanted to do it right, you would do some kind of prospective study where you looked at kids getting vaccinated and in real time, compare outcomes between those who did and those who didn't receive tylenol.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 AM on 05/11/2008

No statement is needed as it has become an unwritten policy. I would bet at least 90% of your colleagues either have the nurse give the tylenol in the office or tell the parent to give it at home. What is alarming is your lack of concern if there is ANY chance that a child could be harmed by this "procedure".

Do you understand the science of why this could be harmful?


So will AAP come out and say NOT to do this as there is now a glaring red flag?

Or will AAP say the benefits outweigh any risks?

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 05/11/2008

I see that you are ignoring this.

How will that help the children that you say you care about?

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 05/11/2008

I somehow missed this from dr p. It is not from Oprah that I get my knowledge about vaccines and autism. If it made Oprah though, you know that it is a BIG deal.

"Over the past decade, the reputation of childhood vaccines has been severely damaged" (actually, the vaccines have done the damage, dr p)

Fighting for the Reputation of Vaccines: Lessons From American Politics

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/extract/121/3/621

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 05/11/2008

Again- posting here - no room-

LindSe said-
"Mitochondrial mediated apoptosis is not the same as mutation of the mitochondrial DNA. Mitochondrial mediated apoptosis is rarely due to a direct insult on the mitochondria themselves, rather it is typically downstream of other pathways. This is not semantics."

Can you please post that source? Don't know if it matters or that we have all of the pieces in place for understanding this as it relates to thimerosal, aluminum, or vaccines in general. That is why research into this is imperative. Here is Dr. Poling's response at that time-

http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/03/dr-jon-poling-o.html

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 05/10/2008

Mitochondrial dysfunction implies a problem with the mitochondria in many if not all cells, typically a genetic defect in the mitochondrial DNA. Mitochondrial mediated apoptosis is a normal process by which cells kill themselves. This can be due to some sort of stress (lack of nutrients, heat, cold, osmotic changes, etc.) or can be receptor mediated (this type is used by the immune system to contract the number of lymphocytes after an immune response). Mitochondrial mediated apoptosis is not inherently pathological or indicative of a problem.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 05/11/2008

Commenting here re dr p post as there is no room there=

"That study is more of the same--sunlight is cytotoxic in high enough concentrations."

Eerily yet in a typical fashion, dr p is starting to sound like so many others who claim to care about individuals yet disregards real lives. This is what you should have been responding to--not sunlight-

http://www.research.vt.edu/resmag/UG_Research/mercury.html
"Apoptosis is programmed cell death or naturally occurring cell death that induces DNA fragmentation, whereas necrosis is the inducing of cell lysis, or essentially the bursting of a cell, and is usually a result of highly toxic exposures.

Barker's studies showed that there was a higher level of DNA fragmentation, hence apoptosis, when the cells were exposed to a lower level of thimerosal, versus the lower levels of DNA fragmentation as a result of higher thimerosal concentrations, implying necrosis."

Your disregard is very obvious.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 05/10/2008

That doesn't link to a study, just a news release of a study by another college student (could it be in a non-peer reviewed journal as well?)

I still can't see how my views disregard real lives--if you're referring to a silly analogy that I made between sunlight and mercury, I'm guilty as charged--I just wanted to provide a clearer example to readers than all of that scientific mumbo jumbo you've been cutting and pasting. Another simple point, for those of us who took high school biology: What happens when you bathe cells in water--they eventually swell and burst--killing them. My point is that if you stick enough of anything into a cell membrane, it's bound to kill it. The question is, and you can't answer, is that is the thimerasol in vaccines enough to cause any cell damage? The answer, from the studies earlier this year in two peer-reviewed, highly respected medical journals, is no.

P.S.: Dr. Poling's response is not fact either, just his opinion. Like the rest of us, he has no idea what the court was thinking.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 05/10/2008

Dr. Poling and his wife know a lot more than you or I regarding the issues here but my point is that they have concerns in that Hannah may not have had the mitochondria issue prior to her vaccinations and they think that could have caused both the mito issue and the regression. So again, research is imperative as we have many autistic kids who need help and many more neurotypical kids who will be getting vaccines.

Regarding your water analogy vs thimerosal in vaccines....don't you think some good research could answer that? Investigating thimerosal and vaccines as they relate to cells/mitochondria could open up some doors in our understanding and possible treatments. Are you against that?

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 05/10/2008

sure--GOOD research could answer that, and it will.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 05/11/2008

Craig,

Could not reply by your comment as there is no room. I am so sorry that your son is at the ER. I don't have an email address for you so posting here that I hope your son is better now with minimal discomfort. Daily life can be challenging enough but when there is a crisis like this, it is just traumatic and unfair. My best to you all.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 05/10/2008

The doctor seems to think he'll be ok. They did x-rays and found 7 of them, small ones, in his intestines. Their main concern is internal lacerations. Thank you so much for your concern. It truly is appreciated.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 05/10/2008

Craig, glad to hear your son is doing better. My son swallowed five magnets and several nickel plated steel balls about 2.5 years ago (Geo-mags(tm)). Some were in his stomach and some in his small intestine -- and they were stuck together. He had to have them removed surgically and spent the next 8 days sedated and on a respirator. If he'll eat rocks, he may eat magnets as well -- keep those as far away as you can.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 05/11/2008

Craig,

Glad to hear he is doing ok now. I have a biomed group that you may want to join. Feel free to contact me-

redhead60707@yahoo.com

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 05/10/2008

What percentage of children currently considered on the autism spectrum do you guys estimate would be able to muddle through and finish high school? Prior to the expansion of the diagnostic criteria, the acceptance of Asperger's as a syndrome, the widespread awareness and diagnosis of either, how many people do you think muddled through high school that would likely now be diagnosed? How many of those people were labeled LD in a specific area when they were in school rather than diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder? How many of those undiagnosed people developed coping strategies that allowed them to succeed? Is there any impetus for those adults to now be diagnosed? Obviously, there is a portion of children who have very severe autism who wouldn't fall into these categories.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 05/09/2008

To get the right understanding of the autism numbers in this country, instead of Mr. Kirby"s loose analogies, I would invite you to look at harder data:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/11/opinion/11shattuck.html?_r=1&scp=4&sq=autism+epidemic&st=nyt&oref=slogin

So the epidemic thing is simply wrong. Meanwhile, anti-vaccine folks continue to accuse pediatricians of being cronies for vaccine companies (and betraying kids. who we"ve dedicated the majority to serving). Their smoking gun is keeps changing: First it was the MMR, then mercury and now it"s aluminum and/or formaldehyde (what"s next, the gauze inside the band-aid we give kids after the get their shots?). While they rant, measles and whooping cough cases are spiking.



(Incidentally, I have never had any financial relationship with and have never been a spokesperson for any drug or vaccine manufacturer. I"m a physician who knows that vaccines save lives. Like everything in medicine, they have possible side effects, but autism isn"t one of them)

We should demand more than loose analogies, statements of "proof" from politicians looking for votes, and dubious statements by the CDC as proof that vaccines=autism. The proof lies in scientific data, and the best, unbiased science says exactly the opposite of what Mr. Kirby espouses.

If you can"t or won"t demand this kind of proof, you"ll bear witness to the tears in parents" eyes whose children are maimed and die senselessly from vaccine-preventable diseases.

Rahul K. Parikh, MD

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 AM on 05/09/2008

Yes the change in the diagnostic criteria has changed, but to meet the criteria you have be pretty severe. My son is a relatively high-functioning autistic 17 year old child. He was on the borderline of the spectrum when he was between the ages of 3-7. He's 17 years old and still can't tell me when something is bothering him, and I still have to wipe him when has a bowel movement, and he still doesn't know to look both ways (or in any direction) when crossing the street. If someone wasn't watching him constantly he would have been hit by a car a long time ago. You don't have a child like this and not get a diagnosis.

I'm disgusted that you pit our struggle with our children's autism and out attempts to clean up the vaccines against that of other children who have died from preventable diseases. It's your job as an M.D. to first do no harm. It's absolutely horrible when children die from any cause. It's also absolutely horrible for a child's life to be completely lost to autism.

Now stop arguing with parent's of these children and those who support them and go do something constructive about it.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 05/09/2008

I think reassuring parents, and asking questions in the echochamber that is Mr. Kirby's blog is doing something constructive.

Let's also be fair--contrasting your view that vaccines are dangerous and that we shouldn't vaccinate with the dangers of vaccine-preventable illness is fair. After all, what did Jenny McCarthy say on Larry King last month: "I'd rather my child have measles than autism in a heartbeat." That's not a real choice (although statistics say we may be getting there), but it's a very disturbing statement.

Please, be very careful--you will lose whatever "high ground" you think you have if kids starting getting vaccine-preventable diseases again, because views like this, with no hard facts to back them up, will have put kids in harm's way.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 05/09/2008

First, patently illogical statements and now you're putting words in mouth? When did I ever say we shouldn't vaccinate? You sir have lost any high ground you thought you had. I think foe2HG's comment is rather appropriate; if there is a problem with the vaccination program in this country it is of the medical community's making.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 05/10/2008

"Please, be very careful--you will lose whatever "high ground" you think you have if kids starting getting vaccine-preventable diseases again"

Again, you are disregarding what the writing on the wall is saying. Parents will not vaccinate unless these issues (toxins, combinations vaccines, live viruses, bacteria, preservatives, adjuvants, etc) are taken seriously. You and AAP, as well as CDC, will be soley responsible if this happens because parents and those already affected (parents with children diagnosed autistic), have been concerned and realistic. Like a crime investigation, there are plenty of clues to point in that direction. Just because suspects deny the facts should not shut down the investigation. If anything, that may add more to the evidence.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 05/09/2008

"(Incidentally, I have never had any financial relationship with and have never been a spokesperson for any drug or vaccine manufacturer. I"m a physician who knows that vaccines save lives. Like everything in medicine, they have possible side effects, but autism isn"t one of them)"

At this point in history, there isn't a definitive answer but for you to proclaim vaccines do not cause autism, well that is just untrue. This is a discussion about the research, the increased numbers of children vs the smaller number of adults, and the ramifications. Since you have written for Salon, defending the vaccine program at all costs and trying ever so hard to minimize the Poling case,, you sound more like an infomercial on late night tv rather than a doctor discussing realistic health issues. That may be a conflict.

Teresa

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 AM on 05/09/2008

To get a clearer understanding of the autism numbers in this country, instead of Kirby"s loose analogy to Scotland, I would invite you to connect to a New York times article by two epidemiologists:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/11/opinion/11shattuck.html?_r=1&scp=4&sq=autism+epidemic&st=nyt&oref=slogin

In short, both arguments"there is an epidemic of autism and that vaccines are the cause, are misguided. In the meantime, anti-vaccine folks continue to accuse dedicated pediatricians of being cronies for vaccine companies at the expense of kids" health. They also keep changing the smoking gun: First it was the MMR vaccine, then mercury and now it"s aluminum and/or formaldehyde (what"s next, the plastic in the band-aid we give kids after the get their shot?). They substitute nebulous court decisions and statements from Presidential candidates for scientific data. All the while measles and whooping cough cases are on the rise again.



(Incidentally, I have never had any financial relationship with and have never been a spokesperson for any drug or vaccine manufacturer. I"m a physician who knows that vaccines save lives. They have side effects, like anything else in medicine, but autism isn"t one of them)

Turing your back on vaccines is bad for the health of our society. Just see what a child with measles, diphtheria, or tetanus looks like, and the tears they bring into the eyes of a mother whose child is suffering from it (I know, I"ve seen it).

Rahul Parikh, MD

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 05/08/2008

"They have side effects, like anything else in medicine, but autism isn"t one of them)"

Wait a second. Are you saying that the vaccines Hannah Poling received did not cause her autism? Why do you think the government conceded?

BTW-autism is NOT a side effect. It is an emotional, physical,spiritual, and financial daily crisis for so many families. Your comments reflect zero understanding of the hardship these children and families endure.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 05/09/2008

I agree with you 100%. It's the arrogant and condescending attitude that this "Doctor" presents that gets so many parents to seek alternative treatments to help their children. But, this guy probably doesn't have any children or know any autistic children, so it doesn't concern him as long as it doesn't cut into his profits