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And the Winner Is ... the Public Sector

Posted: 05/21/11 11:06 AM ET

Unlike the public sector, the private sector is bred for efficiency. Left to its own devices, it will always find the means to provide services faster, cheaper, and more effectively than will governments.

-- James Jay Carafano, Private Sector, Public Wars

I suspect the vast majority of Americans would agree with Mr. Carafano. They probably consider the statement self-evident. The facts, however, lead to the opposite conclusion. When not handicapped by regulations designed to subsidize the private sector, the public sector often provides services faster, cheaper and more effectively.

Consider the results of recent privatization initiatives in three key sectors: health, education and national defense.

Health

Alone among all industrialized nations, the U.S. relies on private for profit insurance companies to manage its health care system. The result? The U.S. has by far the most expensive health care system in the world both in total cost and as a percentage of GDP.

But we don't have to look abroad to evaluate the comparative costs of private and public health systems. Consider Medicare.

Small privatization efforts under Medicare began in the 1980s but did not become full-borne until 1997 when the Republican Congress, with the support of President Clinton, created Medicare+Choice. Secure in their faith that the private is always superior to the public, the Republicans agreed to a program in which private insurers would receive the same amount as the service cost under Medicare.

The public sector proved uncompetitive. Private insurers began pulling out en masse. In 2000, more than 900,000 patients were dropped from the Medicare+Choice program.

No one should have been surprised. Private insurers have a huge handicap. Their overhead costs --marketing, profits, etc. -- dwarf those of Medicare: slightly under 17 percent compared to about 5 percent for Medicare.

How did the Republican Party react to this real world challenge to their foundational belief in the efficiencies inherent in a private enterprise system? They changed the rules. Having proven unable to win in a fair fight, private insurers were now given a handsome subsidy when Medicare Advantage replaced Medicare+Choice. The federal government now pays private insurers on average 14 percent more per member than the same care would cost under traditional Medicare.

The huge subsidy allowed private insurers not only to make a profit but to offer some low cost goodies, like membership to gyms, Medicare doesn't offer. Today, about 8.5 million Medicare beneficiaries nationwide are enrolled in some form of private Medicare plan -- nearly 20 percent of all Medicare beneficiaries.

Astonishingly, having proven that private health insurance costs more, Republicans have now made the further privatization of Medicare the centerpiece of their budget deficit plan. Instead of directly insuring seniors their new plan would have the government give them a voucher to buy private insurance. The government would save money because the value of the vouchers would rise at a slower rate than health care costs.

New Yorker business writer James Surowiecki sums up the conclusions of an analysis of the plan by the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office, "seniors would have to spend more and more of their income on private insurance and out-of-pocket expenses, or go without... Ryan's plan would actually increase the amount of money Americans spend on health care, since private insurers aren't as good at curbing costs as Medicare. But taxpayers would pay less."

Education

In 1958, the federal government established a student loan program. The federal Treasury made the loan directly. In 1965, as part of his Great Society initiative, LBJ wanted to dramatically expand the program, but ran up against budget rules that discriminated against direct lending. A direct loan showed up as a total loss in the year it was made, even though most of it would be paid back with interest in future years. A guaranteed loan, on the other hand, which placed the full faith and credit of the United States behind a private bank loan, would appear to have no up front budget cost at all because the government's payments for defaults and interest subsidies would not occur until later years.

Knowing that a major direct loan program would show up as increasing a deficit already growing because of the expanding Vietnam War, the Democratic Congress opted to replace direct loans from the government with bank loans guaranteed by the government.

For the next 27 years, the direct loan program disappeared. Finally, in 1990 Congress eliminated the unfair rules. The new unbiased regulations led the Bush administration to conclude that direct loans would be less costly and simpler to administer. In 1992, Congress created a direct lending pilot program. In 1993, President Clinton proposed replacing the guarantee program with direct loans as part of his own deficit reduction plan.

But in 1994 Republicans took over the House of Representatives. And as conservatives are wont to do, they refused to let facts get in the way of ideology. Led by Newt Gingrich, they tried to completely eliminate direct lending. To their surprise, college and university officials, frustrated by a guaranteed loan system the Government Accountability Office labeled a "complicated, cumbersome process" involving thousands of middlemen, fought back.

Ultimately, Congress stopped short of eliminating direct lending. Instead, it prohibited the Department of Education from encouraging colleges to switch to the direct loan program. Even without such encouragement, colleges recognized a good deal when they saw one and began shifting to direct loans. By 1998, about 35 percent of all student loans were direct loans from the government.

The private sector, having tasted the profits of guaranteed loans, fought back, led by Sallie Mae, the former Student Loan Marketing Agency. Set up in 1972 as a non-profit, government sponsored enterprise (GRE) supervised by the U.S. Treasury, in 1997 Sallie Mae obtained Congressional approval to privatize. That allowed it to originate its own loans and acquire other companies. The new private profit making company quickly bought out its two major rivals.

Sallie Mae also purchased student loan collection companies. By 2006 it dominated all aspects of the student loan industry. According to CBS News, in 2005 nearly a fifth of its revenue came from collection agencies. Sallie Mae's fee income increased by 228 percent between 2000 and 2005, from $280 million to $920 million while its stock price increased 1,600 percent from 1995 to 2005.

Colleges began to shift back to guaranteed loans. Wondering why they would do so to the detriment of their students, U.S. News and World Report investigated. It found that private lenders were supplying college official with free meals and drinks, golf outings and sailboat cruises. "Lenders offer the prospect of millions of dollars in profits to universities -- if they drop out of the Education Department's direct-loan plan."

A 2006-2007 investigation by New York Governor Eliot Spitzer and Attorney General Andrew Cuomo uncovered a pattern of kickbacks and bribes to universities.

Private lenders worked not only to maximize their share of the market but to maximize their profits from each loan by changing the rules. U.S. News and World Report noted, the student loan industry "used money and favors, along with their friends in Congress and the Department of Education, to get what they wanted."

In 1998, Congress allowed massive penalties and fees to be imposed on delinquent student loans, making it more profitable for the lenders and guarantors when students defaulted than when they repaid the loan on time. Congress also allowed for collection rates of up to 25 percent to be applied to the debt.

In 1999, lawmakers created a new interest-rate formula that boosted the lenders profits.

Student loans were specifically exempted from state usury laws and from coverage under the Truth in Lending Act.

Adding insult to injury, in 2005, the private lenders convinced Congress to make all student loans non-dischargeable in bankruptcy.

The loss to the taxpayers ran into the tens of billions of dollars. The loss to students may have run even higher.

In 2005, the Congressional Budget Office compared the impact on taxpayers of a guaranteed loan and a direct loan. For every $1 of loan guarantee the federal government incurred taxpayers lost 15 cents. For every $1 loans made directly by the federal government, taxpayers made 2 cents.

On a $3,000 student loan repaid in 10 years, the CBO estimated the cost to taxpayer for a guaranteed loan would be $450. A direct loan, however, would benefit taxpayers by $63.

The 2008 elections gave us a Democratic Congress and a Democratic President. In 2010, they ended 40 years of giveaways to the private sector and eliminated the guarantee loan program. Today all federal student loans are direct loans. The Congressional Budget Office estimates this will generate almost $68 billion in savings over the next 10 years.

Military

As early as the late 1970s the federal government began contracting out, but privatization took center stage with Bill Clinton and Al Gore's Reinventing Government initiative.

From then on politicians would boast about how much they had reduced federal payrolls while at the same time avoiding the unpleasant fact that on their watch the number of private contractors had increased even faster.

The Pentagon embraced privatization most eagerly, contracting out for a wide variety of services, including weapons engineering, security enforcement, training, tech support, food and outfitting management, and even frontline military strength to a new entity, the Private Military Company (PMC).

Secretary of Defense William Cohen led the effort. "During the summer of 1997 he assembled a committee that included leading executives from private industry to offer their wisdom about the road ahead," Duke law professor Laura Dickinson writes in Outsourcing War & Peace.

"Cohen then proceeded to pursue a reform path that aimed to modernize defense by embracing the rhetoric, practices, and methodologies of American businesses. This embrace is perhaps most apparent in his Defense Reform Initiative, which he launched in the fall of 1997 as an effort to 'aggressively apply to the Department those business practices that American industry has successfully used to become leaner and more flexible in order to remain competitive.'"

The Pentagon has always employed contractors for specialized functions that were not large in scope and not fundamental to regular military operations. This changed in the early 1990s. Peter Singer writes,

"In 1992 a relatively little-known, Texas-based oil services firm called Halliburton was awarded a $3.9 million Pentagon contract. Its task was to write a classified report on how private companies, like itself, could support the logistics of U.S. military deployments into countries with poor infrastructure. ... it is hard to imagine that either the company or the client realized that 15 years later this contract (now called the Logistics Civilian Augmentation Program or LOGCAP) would be worth as much as $150 billion."

The number of private military contractors soared, exceeding by 1999 the total combined number of active military troops, civilian employees, reserves and National Guards.

The result? An unmitigated mess. Contracts were shoveled out the door so fast the military lacked even basic information about the burgeoning force of private contractors. This was clearly evident when Congress asked the Army how many contract service workers it had. The Army's answer? Somewhere between 124,000 and 605,000!

Did privatization save money? Usually not. One Congressional study found that contracts for intelligence support cost, on average, almost twice as much as in-house work.

Almost all of today's logistics firms operate under "cost-plus" contracts -- a structure ripe for abuse.

But privatizing the military has cost us more than just money. As Maj Kevin P. Stiens and Lt. Col. (Ret.) Susan L. Turley observed, "Not only did the cost savings fail to materialize, outsourcing caused other tangible losses. The government lost personnel experience and continuity, along with operational control, by moving to contractors."

Walter Pincus opined in the Washington Post,

"Particularly frustrating for organizations that require specialized expertise and experience, such as intelligence agencies, are organic personnel who leave for better pay with contractors after the government has trained them, obtained their security clearances, and given them experience...The government pays to get the worker qualified, then ends up leasing back . . . former employees."

Our national security now depends on millions of workers with divided loyalties. "Private employees have distinctly different motivations, responsibilities and loyalties than those in the public military, Air Force Colonel Steven Zamperelli writes, "[T]hey are hired, fired, promoted, demoted, rewarded and disciplined by the management of their private company, not by government officials or the public."

"The privatized military industry introduces very real contractual dilemmas into the realm of international security," Peter Singer maintains, "For governments, the public good and the good of the private companies are not identical ... [and] these two parties' interests will never exactly coincide."

In 2008 at least 12 U.S. soldiers were accidentally electrocuted inside their bases in Iraq. Later it was discovered that the private contractor, KBR, knew there were potentially serious electrical problems in the facility's construction. But its contract didn't cover "fixing potential hazards." It only required repairing items already broken!

Singer offers another reason many are concerned about our increasing reliance on private contractors,

"Many worry that the lack of control due to outsourcing could weigh even heavier and even put an entire military operation at risk. Consider what happened during the 2004 Sadr uprising, where a spike in attacks on convoys caused many companies to either withdraw or suspend operations, causing fuel and ammunition stocks to dwindle."

It may be too late to turn the clock back on private military companies so long as government officials boast about reducing the size of the federal workforce while actually increasing it, and lack the political courage to reinstitute a draft that would bring troop and troop support levels back to where they need to be.

Nevertheless, the pendulum seems to be swinging back. For the first time in 30 years, the 2008 National Defense Authorization Act encouraged what has come to be known as "insourcing," bringing back in house tasks that have been outsourced. Stiens and Turley drily assert, "one of the primary benefits of insourcing is to undo outsourcing efforts that brought neither cost savings nor improved mission performance."

So there we have it. Three disparate examples of privatization, all leading to the same conclusion. Privatization hurts. Unlike the public sector, the private sector is bred to maximize profits. Left to its own devices, it will always find a more profitable way to provide services even when that means increasing their cost, reducing their effectiveness and endangering the national security.


Originally published at On The Commons. onthecommons.org

 
Unlike the public sector, the private sector is bred for efficiency. Left to its own devices, it will always find the means to provide services faster, cheaper, and more effectively than will governme...
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02:39 PM on 05/23/2011
Certainly you can criticise the private sector's inability to control medical costs if you are utterly ignorant of how health care works. Firstly, there is no truly private sector, the system is a hybrid, with the federal and state governments, and the tort system mandating what medical treatments must be provided, with a penchant for approving every whizbang, high buck notion to come along, leaving insurers to come up with the money to pay for it. Secondly, to cite MediCare as a model of efficiency is absurd. Sure, the feds can print and mail a check more cheaply than anyone else, but the "efficiency" comes from abandoning any effort to insure the money is spent on necessary and reasonable care. What private insurance company would pay every bill without verifying that the work was done properly, was necessary, and the bill was tabulated correctly? MediCare does none of that, in fact the cost of verifying compliance is mostly shifted to the vendors themselves.
01:32 PM on 05/23/2011
Government as service provider rarely allocates resources efficiently from either a cost or service perspective. Bureaucrats cannot centrally plan as efficiently as thousands of individual decision makers on a daily basis in a market driven economy.

In the most simple example, the US Postal Service bears this out. The successful creation of FedEx and UPS was possible due to the lack of forward looking government bureaucrats. Today the USPS continues to lose massive sums of money every day rather than adjust to the reality of e-commerce. Those lost funds would be redeployed into productive investments if they were managed by private companies rather than public enterprises.

It is unrealistic to believe government can manage the complexities of healthcare when the simplest logistics services cannot be delivered efficiently or effectively by government bureaucrats.
12:51 PM on 05/23/2011
Some people won't be happy until everybody's employed by the government. Politicians and bureaucrats will then have complete control over everyone's lives, nobody will care about profits anymore, and society will be wonderfully efficient, just like the Soviet Union.

Oh, I forgot. The Soviet Union crumbled and disappeared a few years ago, didn't it?
01:00 PM on 05/23/2011
Taking an argument to it's ridiculous extreme doesn't prove a point.
10:35 PM on 05/23/2011
Oh really?
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BlueFloyd
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01:27 PM on 05/23/2011
is EVERYTHING black and white in your world? no nuance at all, eh? what a miserable, unproductive, negative, regressive way to conduct your life.
10:36 PM on 05/23/2011
Maybe you can explain what the point of the original blog posting was??
12:19 PM on 05/23/2011
Often when government services are privatized what happens is that their is an imediate hike in the cost of the service, the private company eliminates positions in favor of low wages without benifits, there is another price increase followed by a reduction of services.
Ultimately the end result is that decent jobs are lost, the services decrease as the cost continues to rise, and a few people get really rich.
11:51 AM on 05/23/2011
when a poor person gets a housing voucher in philadelphia , it takes on average 3 1/2 to 4 months for that person to actually move in to a house when they go through the philadelphia housing authority, it takes , on average 3 WEEKS for that person to move into a house when using a housing voucher for private non profit agencies like friends rehab network or rapid rehousing .case closed
01:01 PM on 05/23/2011
Well, it's perfectly understandable. Public employees can't get as much done ; they have to fill in their overtime approval requests every day, and if an employee is disciplined for tardiness, there will be union complaints, administrative hearings, claims of gender and gay discrimination filed, etc., to be resolved. These things take time.
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01:30 PM on 05/23/2011
more extreme examples from you. that is obviously all you have. ridiculous extreme examples.
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BlueFloyd
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01:29 PM on 05/23/2011
case closed???? you compared govt work with NON-PROFIT work. do you not understand the function of profit in all of this? if you cant see the fallacy of your comparison, it is not worth explaining it to you.....and yes, now, case closed.
Eppur Si
One of the majority who are not part of the "99%"
11:44 AM on 05/23/2011
Give the three built-in advantages the government has, it is not remarkable that the author could find a few examples of programs that are marginally less effective in the private sector. The advantages I have in mind are: (1) Private businesses have to borrow capital and pay interest on the loan, or raise it in the equity markets; government just takes the capital in the form of taxes. (2) Private businesses have to pay taxes themselves; government does not. (3) It is illegal for private businesses to engage in monopoly practices; government programs are generally monopolies.

In the case of mercenary soldiers, they are hired for many reasons having nothing to do with costs. As the author notes, they are hired so that politicians can “cook the books” and claim they have reduced the number of “employees.” That hardly inspires me with confidence in the politicians or makes me want to give politicians more power. They are also hired because the low wages paid by the military makes it hard for them to find enough people. However, there is a cost-based rationale: Using mercenaries makes it cheaper and easier for the government to carry out short term operations without incurring the costs of training people on the front end, and providing them with lifetime veterans benefits on the back end (costs which the author conveniently overlooks).
10:40 AM on 05/23/2011
The examples that the author chooses to use are a bit strange as evidence of his argument. We have a "privatized" healthcare system? The government pays for around 50% of all medical care. Our government spends the 3rd highest per capita of any country on healthcare. Even counting countries in which all healthcare expenses are paid by the government. The problem with our system is that tax advantages for health insurance have resulted in all expenses paid health insurance programs. These programs take away price as a factor for consumers because most consumers are completely insulted from price. As far as being able to see a doctor promptly or having good service for patients the US leads the world.

None of the author's examples site anything resembling a free, private market when compared to a public entity. Though to be fair it is hard to find industries where you have both public and private functioning because if the government is involved they usually end up dominating the market. Competition is what drives private markets and what makes the free market superior. Absent that competition there isn't anything to really seperate it. Competition leads to innovation and lower costs. If the government was in charge of our phone services we would still be using rotary dials and hard wired lines. Nobody would be making a profit though so the socialists would be happy.
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12:49 PM on 05/23/2011
Bullshite.

These are very real examples, of private For Profit operations proving less service for often more money, with less oversight.

I will also offer up Privatized Child Support disbursement. As I have personal experience with it. We can all complain about Government workers and how they don't care, but now take someone that makes half of what the government worker did, and with no real repercussions of a job done poorly and you will see true Profits over performance.

How about Red Light Ticket Cameras? Pure profit motive, and the cost savings never materialize. And you get people getting tickets in the middle of the night for rolling a stoplight on a deserted road.
03:03 PM on 05/23/2011
Private companies are only more efficient when you have competition forcing them to be. If there is no competition there is little difference between a private monopoly and a public one.
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12:50 PM on 05/23/2011
Exactly! I don't understand why so many people on this site have trouble understanding the difference between corporatism and free markets. Free markets essentially no longer exist in this country, but so many people just want to blame everything on free markets....even though they essentially don't exist anymore.
10:32 AM on 05/23/2011
Duplication in Government Programs Costs Taxpayers at Least $100 Billion

House Republicans could fulfill their Pledge to America promise of cutting $100 billion simply by eliminating duplicative government programs. That’s the startling news from a new Government Accountability Office report today that exposes widespread waste in the federal government.

http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-11-318SP
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12:50 PM on 05/23/2011
OK, but that is not what they want to cut, they prefer to slash and burn approach.
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09:01 AM on 05/23/2011
The claims of lower cost by privatization is just another neoliberal lie spread to enhance corporate profits. It's ridiculous on its face: a not for profit organization (government) is inherently more cost effective than a for profit one.
12:35 PM on 05/23/2011
If true then by your logic the government has the responsiblity to run everything and to remove the profit motive and thus reduce the cost to all of it's citizens.
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01:13 PM on 05/23/2011
This is so in areas where it's a bad thing to have a conflict between profit and service. Health care, police, firefighters, military, education...
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Jerod Hopkins
08:42 AM on 05/23/2011
When the private sector isn't held up by government regulations, the private sector, because of competition and the profit-loss feedback system, will ALWAYS find a way to do any service cheaper, and at a higher quality than the public sector. The public sector is inherently less efficient and non-competitive.

Our regulatory environment in our healthcare industry is just a hop away from complete government control. We DO NOT have anything that even remotely resembles a free market in healthcare in our country today. THAT is the biggest misconception. There are almost no industries in our country today where the government isn't putting up a roadblock at every turn. While we are more capitalistic than many countries, we are far, far away from a truly free market. All of the numbers in this article are comparing the public sector to a heavily regulated "private" sector. We do not have a truly private sector until the government stops interfering.
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wespenn56
Conservative does start with "CON"
09:35 AM on 05/23/2011
Nice theory, but the rest of the world proves health care for profit is the wrong direction. The numbers are there.
Berettasskeeter
For what we are about to receive, may we be truly
12:22 PM on 05/23/2011
Actually, with the declining ability of socialist countries to soak any more money out of their producing classes, your statement is incorrect. The last couple of countries that have not yet felt a terminal pinch are also not growing!
Semper fi
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Jerod Hopkins
12:43 PM on 05/23/2011
So do you think every industry should be government ran? If you think healthcare is better run by the government, why not our food industries? Why not cell phones? Or TV's? Or every single industry out there? What's different about healthcare?
DanBest
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09:52 AM on 05/23/2011
The free market didn't fail the people.The people failed the free market. Is that your argument? And where did you get your belief? Oh that's right: from corporations that own your media, sponsor your media and tell you how great the free market is.
Berettasskeeter
For what we are about to receive, may we be truly
12:23 PM on 05/23/2011
Nope, from the Constitution. The government ONLY has those Powers ceded to it by the Constitution. But we, and it, have decided to give it more. So, it has interfered with the free market to the extent that it is no longer free. Yes, the people failed the free market, by demanding "freebies" from the government.
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Jerod Hopkins
12:41 PM on 05/23/2011
The very definition of "corporation" is not in line with free markets because they are granted special rights by the government. That's called corporatism. Corporatism is nearly as bad as socialism. Don't blame corporatism's downfalls on the free market. Learn to tell the difference.
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07:58 AM on 05/23/2011
David, please don't stop there. Privatization of our prison system and the partial privatization of our law enforcement systems have been disastrous.

Everytime the government shirks its duty and hands it off to a private corp, we are shortly to see corruption, exploitation and CEO bonuses. Just look at the parking meters in Chicago: the city cannot even close a street for a parade without paying out huge amounts to the company.

It is almost always a disaster.
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09:03 AM on 05/23/2011
Thank you for bringing up the prison mess. People don't realize so little of the budget of prisons goes to care for prisoners. Most of it is salaries, mortgages and the lights. That tv they get in there isn't paid by taxpayers at all and comes from canteen sales from prisoners. Prisons have become a business and its no wonder our prison system is swelling at the seems. Private prison are not the way to go. We need to fix our laws and judicial system so we aren't locking up 1 in every 100 people in this country anymore
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rothomaha
The Truth will out
07:48 AM on 05/23/2011
Anyone with two functioning neurons would see that if a large, for-profit operation is given a green light, it is only a matter of milliseconds before the costs of operation will be higher than a public-operated service of the same sort. People carelessly compare public workers to their concept of the starched white shirt and tie operators in private corporations and come away with the notion that the latter MUST be more efficient and "business-like"(whatever THAT means!), forgetting that these efficient souls need to make sufficient profits to keep the stockholders happy ON TOP of paying the bills. So, right out of the gate, the only rational assumption(by those not blinded by poltical/profit motives) is that private is ALWAYS(hear me? ALWAYS!!!!!!) more expensive than public! So, by cutting public services to make budgets work all that is accomplished is the PEOPLE suffer and the corporations laugh even harder on the way to the bank!
Berettasskeeter
For what we are about to receive, may we be truly
12:31 PM on 05/23/2011
Any for-profit company that allows it's operational costs to increase will find it's stockholders voting them out of their offices. What corporations can you cite?
Corporations provide jobs that cost the taxpayers NOTHING. They provide salaries to those job-holders that cost taxpayers nothing. They pay taxes. The users of their products do NOT have to buy them (except in Obamacare), and the products therefore cost them NOTHING. Government services cost us money in the form of taxation. Some services are Constitutional, and the purview of the government, such as defense. Others are NOT, such as restricting commerce, controlling education, or taking over health care.
Semper fi
12:48 PM on 05/23/2011
There is no free lunch.
The for profit entities are paid by the government with tax payers dollars. The premis is that for profits run more efficently thus saving tax payers dollars. It's obvous that for various reasons that is not always the case.
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rothomaha
The Truth will out
05:56 PM on 05/23/2011
You sound like an officer and a gentleman, but you are wrong. The only time corporate CEO's lose their jobs is when dividends fall - that is when they get "voted out", as you put it. In order to prevent this, corporations maintain and/or grow profit margins by any means - in this case, increasing costs to you and me. Those are not "operational", they are OUR expenses, not theirs. So, by denying you a health care claim and making you pay it yourself, their "operational" costs have just dropped, their profits increased and you are screwed, my friend! Do know any government health care operation which pays its CEO multimillion dollar annual salary? Where did that money come from, do you think? Straight out of my pocket and yours! Semper fi!
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intolleft
ObamaCare...getting you shovel ready
07:10 AM on 05/23/2011
"When not handicapped by regulations designed to subsidize the private sector...."

Yea, and if I was a s big as, strong as, fast, as, and could catch a football like Ocho CInco, I'd be playing in the NFL.
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BlueFloyd
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01:35 PM on 05/23/2011
but nobody cares to compare you with an nfl player. if there was some choice as to which one we preferred, your post might hold some validity. comparing two things inherently involves an intellectual leveling of the playign field in order for things to be compared at all.
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intolleft
ObamaCare...getting you shovel ready
01:58 PM on 05/23/2011
Oy vey.
01:04 AM on 05/23/2011
An interesting comparison, though the question becomes what kind of service do you want? Public universities and public hospitals options are cheaper, but they can not compare with the maximum effects provided by private institutions. How many public hospitals rival Mayo Clinic, Cleveland Clinic, or Johns Hopkin? The trend at the best private hospitals has been moving away from accepting medicare and medicaid. How many public universities are in the same league with Harvard, Princeton, U of Chicago?
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angelcakesinc
Tolerance of intolerance is intolerable
03:02 AM on 05/23/2011
That isn't a fair comparison. Those private institutions are usually massively more expensive than their public counterparts, which means only people who are VERY fortunate or very very wealthy can use them. What about the rest of us? Should only people who are wealthy enough to attend ivy league schools get a college education? Should only people wealthy enough to afford the best hospitals in the country be allowed to receive medical care? I think not.
08:06 AM on 05/23/2011
The full costs match up much more evenly for universities when you include the amount of money that the state contributes. But you are absolutely correct that people should not suffer because they lack money, I was simply posting about different comparisons of private vs public sector.
whochi
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08:32 AM on 05/23/2011
Another liberal who misses the point by a mile. With the private sector pulling the wagon, and providing a place for brainiacs to train and ultimately earn the monies to fund and do the expensive research in an effective manner, so that you and I can benefit from the new medical technologies medicines, computers, and all the rest would simply not exist and we will start down the road to 2nd world status.
America is going the way of England which used to be the center of innovation in all things literature, science etc. As that empire went towards socialism for the masses, we took over it's role. Now America is trending towards socialism for the masses and we will soon all be paying for the folly that is liberalism.
06:54 AM on 05/23/2011
Over half of the top 25 ranked universities within the WORLD are public ... they include Oxford University, Cambridge University, University of Wisconsin, University of Massachusetts, and University of California-Berkley.
08:03 AM on 05/23/2011
This really depends on what ranking you use.
redonthehead
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08:50 AM on 05/23/2011
Nearly half of the top 25 ranked universities in the world are private.
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politicky
just follow the $$$
12:51 AM on 05/23/2011
Wtf is a direct loan from the government? The federal reserve IS private bankers.
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Corners
09:08 AM on 05/23/2011
Well, rather then letting the banks get a direct cut, without taking any risk at all, the goverment decided to cut that part out. Guess u could say they were double dipping since you brought up the fed.

The next problem is schools, public and private are raising tuition so fast its sick. Knowing that student loans are easy then ever and most people don't think about paying them back for years these schools inflate prices. There is no reason a book should cost $150 for one class, then have it changed a a class or two later. Like algebra or chemistry has changed that much in a year. My bill from my community college is starting to look like my credit card bill with all its extra fees every where. Parking fee. Student activity fee. Computer access fee. Technology building access fee. Only a partial list for 3-4 classes. Its bad
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just follow the $$$
03:35 PM on 05/23/2011
Yeah, I read the article and I'm paying for college so my kid doesn't start out life as an adult with debilitating debt.

My point was that any money borrowed from the government has already been borrowed from private bankers:

Secrets of the temple: how the Federal Reserve runs the country
http://books.google.com/books?id=JxSU5I58L-wC

Web of Debt
"Our money system is not what we have been led to believe. The creation of money has been "privatized," or taken over by private money lenders."http://www.webofdebt.com/

The Creature from Jekyll Island
http://www.alibris.com/search/books/qwork/1387193/used/The%20Creature%20from%20Jekyll%20Island%3A%20A%20Second%20Look%20at%20the%20Federal%20Reserve