HRC's Choice: Seward or Chase?

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William H. Seward or Salmon P. Chase?

This -- in addition to being the most arcane, nerdy question I've ever typed -- is the crucial choice Senator Clinton now faces. Seward and Chase shared the indignity of losing their party's nomination to a relatively inexperienced opponent. That opponent, a guy from Illinois named Abraham Lincoln, nonetheless won the presidency and invited both Seward and Chase to join his cabinet.

Both accepted.

Seward shined.

Chase, as best as I can tell, proved to be kind of a schmuck about the whole thing.

Now before my use of Ph.D.-level jargon like "schmuck" and "as best as I can tell" dazzles you into thinking I am some sort of history scholar, I do have a confession. Until a couple of days ago, all I knew about Seward was "Seward's Folly," his craaaaaaaaaazy 1867 decision to buy Alaska from Russia for all of $7.2 million. As for Salmon Chase, I'd literally never heard of him. Now I know lots. Right down to the trivia.

Like his uncle's name.

Philander.

Philander Chase.

Seriously.

NOTE TO PREGNANT READERS: Philander -- like Salmon, frankly -- is a name that deserves a resurgence. It could start with your unborn son.

NOTE TO NON-PREGNANT READERS: Out of respect for your time, I now will get to the actual point of this post.

I've just devoured an amazing book, Team of Rivals by Doris Kearns Goodwin. I read it because of Andrew Sullivan. Sullivan cited the book in a column called "Obama-Clinton, a hate-filled dream ticket."

Since I'm repulsed by the "dream ticket" gimmick, I read Sullivan especially skeptically. So my alarms blared when Sullivan invoked Goodwin's book as a kind of Honest Abe Seal of Approval for an Obama-Clinton ticket. I'd heard a tiny bit about the book before and was pretty sure that Lincoln hadn't given any of his rivals the VP slot. I confirmed this by reading a summary of the book online.

I felt good and smug -- a trait I despise in myself and try to smack down whenever I notice it. As penance, I resolved to read the book, trusting that Goodwin had written something at least mildly interesting and re-opening my mind to the possibility Sullivan might have a legitimate point. As it turns out, he doesn't.

But I'm willing to forgive that since he led me to Team of Rivals. Let me tell you something I may be the last person in America to realize: Lincoln rocks. (I won't try to say something more subtle or insightful about Lincoln in this post. For now, just know that he rocks. I'll be reading more about him and expect to do more posts about what his leadership can teach us. At this preliminary stage, I can report that Lincoln offers lessons about everything from Iraq to sending e-mail that you won't live to regret.)

For now, let's get back to William Seward and Salmon Chase and why they're relevant to Senator Clinton at this wrenching moment. The first reason Seward and Chase matter is because they feel Clinton's pain. And we should, too. Sometimes we need the distance of history to remind ourselves of something I learned covering politics as a reporter: losing a bid for public office can be cataclysmically painful.

Goodwin, writing in 2005 before the words had any Clintonian significance, describes an "aura of inevitability" surrounding Seward's quest to become the Republican nominee in 1860. Drawn by that aura, thousands thronged his Auburn, NY estate to celebrate the certain news that their hometown guy had been picked. But instead came the convention's inexplicable result: Lincoln, a third-tier candidate, would be the nominee.

Goodwin describes the aftershocks for the "angry, hurt, and humiliated" front-runner:

Though Seward had pledged his support to the Republican ticket in a public letter, he was so dejected in the aftermath of his defeat that he considered resigning immediately from the Senate. Without the onerous demands of the congressional session, he would remain in Auburn, surrounded by his loving family and consoling friends. "When I went out to market this morning," he told one friend, "I had the rare experience of a man walking about town, after he is dead, and hearing what people would say of him. I confess I was unprepared for so much real grief, as I heard expressed at every corner."

Team of Rivals is, among other things, the story of how Seward rallied back. He campaigned for Lincoln, served devotedly as secretary of state through the calamity of the Civil War, became one of the president's dearest friends, and proved so indispensable and loyal to the Union cause that he was targeted in what was meant to be a synchronized triple assassination of Lincoln, Seward, and Vice President Andrew Johnson. On the night Lincoln was shot, another would-be assassin put Seward's son in a coma and slashed the secretary of state's face so savagely that the doctor who saved his life said he'd "looked like an exsanguinated corpse."

The Salmon Chase we meet on the pages of Goodwin's book could never quite do what Seward did, could never truly shake off the pain of losing to Lincoln in 1860. He campaigned for Lincoln. He served ably in the wartime cabinet. But as the 1864 election approached, Treasury Secretary Chase was engaged in a stealth campaign to take his boss's place as the Republican nominee. It failed. Lincoln kept him on anyway. But when Chase persisted in his pattern of behavior, sending Lincoln what was essentially his fourth tantrum-fueled, attention-seeking resignation letter in as many years, the president shocked him by accepting the resignation.

Godwin quotes what Lincoln is said to have told a confidante afterward:

"I will tell you," Lincoln said, "how it is with Chase. It is the easiest thing in the world for a man to fall into a bad habit. Chase has fallen into two bad habits....He thinks he has become indispensable to the country. He also thinks he ought to be President; he has no doubt whatever about that." These two unfortunate tendencies, Lincoln explained, had made Chase "irritable, uncomfortable, so that he is never perfectly happy unless he is thoroughly miserable."

Senator Clinton can choose to be Chase, who made his third and fourth failed runs for the presidency in 1868 and 1872. Or she can be Seward.

Lincoln, with his extraordinary gift for gauging the emotions and motives of powerful men, may have realized that even Seward wasn't fully ready to be Seward in 1860. Whatever Lincoln's rationale, all of us -- Senator Obama, Senator Clinton, their supporters, and the rest of America -- should note that Lincoln did not pick any of the men he'd beaten to serve as vice president.

There is, put simply, no Honest Abe Seal of Approval for an Obama-Clinton ticket. But there is, in Seward, a precedent for how Senator Clinton might perform a sort of alchemy on her disappointment, on her certainty that she'd make the better commander-in-chief. She can start, as Seward started, by hitting the trail in vigorous support of the victorious rival. Here, in Goodwin's words, is what greeted the defeated candidate when he put his party ahead of his grief and his bitterness.

Fifty thousand people gathered to hear Seward speak in Detroit, and the fervor only increased as his tour moved west. Thousands waited past midnight for the arrival of his train in Kalamazoo, and when he disembarked, crowds followed him along the streets to the place where he would sleep that night. The next day, thousands more assembled on the village green to enjoy a brilliant "procession of young men and women on horseback, all well mounted, children with banners, men with carts and wagons," that preceded the formal speeches. Still craving more, the crowd followed the entourage back to the train station, where Seward appeared at the train window to speak again.

Goodwin writes of an admirer on the campaign trail who told Seward, "you are doing more for Lincoln's election than any hundred men in the United States."

Seward's reply: "Well, I ought to."

Exactly.


UPDATE (5/17/08):

Rather than simply revise this post and pretend (absurdly) to be infallible, it feels more honest and accountable to use this space to call attention to a detail I got wrong.

In Lincoln's era, the same convention delegates who picked the presidential nominee also picked the vice presidential nominee. So parsing Lincoln's choice of VP is pointless because Lincoln didn't pick his own VP.

It remains true that there's no Honest Abe Seal of Approval for an Obama-Clinton ticket. But it's also true, I now realize, that there's no obvious Seal of Disapproval.

Meanwhile, in trying to track down accurate details, I found this...

It's a digitized copy of the proceedings of the Republicans' 1860 convention. Very cool that such a thing even exists on the web. It shows us, among other things, that the delegates did NOT nominate Seward or Chase for the vice presidency. The tally of the first vice presidential ballot (see page 128 of the PDF) also suggests that the states which backed Lincoln most strongly did not get their first choice for VP.

Please post a comment if you think I have any other details wrong. If any more corrections or updates are needed, I'll post them here.

I apologize for this error. Thanks for reading.

 
 

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- David Quigg - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of David Quigg

I'm downloading some lectures right this moment. They're free and they might be of interest to anyone who saw some value in this post. Here's a link that will take you straight to Doris Kearns Goodwin and others scholars who participated in a series of lectures called "Lincoln and the Civil War."

http://deimos3.apple.com/WebObjects/Core.woa/Browse/gilderlehrman.org.1427858301

If you don't have iTunes, here's a link to the institute that hosted the lectures.

http://www.gilderlehrman.org/

From there, I suspect you can find your way to at least some of the lectures.

Enjoy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 AM on 05/18/2008

Nice post. I think if he offered her a cabinet position, that would be one thing, so long as it's not the VP...I think she's too much of a Chase character to have her and Bill in the WH. Those closest to her seem convinced that she will "work her heart out" to get Obama elected and that she just cares about making sure "we win". While I hate to say it, many of us are not so convinced and will believe it when we see it. Even then, I'll need to pinch myself a few times before I'm convinced it's real.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 AM on 05/18/2008

It must be easier on the psyche to lose an election than a nomination. In an election, the loser is not required to do anything on behalf of the victor. If Hillary can muster the good will to help Obama get elected, I think she'd be [back] on the A-list of the most feisty Obama supporters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 05/17/2008

She was never on the A-list of this fiesty Obama supporter. If Obama hadn't entered the race, voters like myself would have rallied around any candidate that could have prevented Clinton's nomination. Seward faced a similarly hostile majority within the Republican ranks in 1860.

It just so happened that a once-in-a-lifetime candidate emerged this year to carry that mantle. My support for Obama doesn't spring from my aversion to Clinton but without Obama in the race, my support for any of the other candidates would have.

The similarities between the 1860 Republican primary and the 2008 Dem primary are a great example of socio-political autopoiesis (self-organization).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 05/18/2008

Hopefully, both candidates will be gracious in their winning and losing. I've stated before it is a grieving process and some of us take much longer to grieve. In Chase's case, he had many other losses to process in his life and it appeared that the loss to be President was something he could never "accept" (Acceptance being the last state of grief.) God help us if Senator Clinton et al decides she cannot accept her loss, and God bless us all if she does! It will be a true blessing to - as Seward was to Lincoln and our country as he "played it forward".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 05/17/2008

I was drawn to your post as soon as I saw the title, having read Doris Kearns Goodwin book several years ago. Senator Obama has already stated many times that he would include the best minds in his cabinet, even if they had not endorsed him. I admire him, as many did Lincoln for his magnanimity in bringing former opponents into his cabinet, but it wasn't easy, as author Goodwin points out. I am not sure most would have the courage to include Senator Clinton in their cabinet after the primary they have shared. Like Chase, Senator Clinton does not share his vision of governing, even though she does share his vision of America. She still believes you can get to that vision by the means used in the past. IT WON'T HAPPEN! This fighter instinct she exemplifies is not helpful here. As Senator Obama has stated, "She seems to have learned the wrong lessons", presumably from her past politicking. She supposedly had become a "team player" in the Senate (where this was never something she was known for before), but I don't know how well that will go when she returns. Yet, I agree with this blog, that she has a choice to make as to how she wants to be remembered.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 05/17/2008

Great post, David. I haven't yet read TOR (it's on my dresser awaiting me). But I have long recognized that there is something POTENTIALLY lincolnesque in Barack's candidacy: a long career on the local level, a short stint of service in Congress - a relatively untested (and to use Hillary's words) unvetted candidate.

Nevertheless, he SEEMS to have a gift that could portend a major shift in the broken politics we are stuck in right now. That said, the proof of the pudding is in the eating - so I am not naive, but hopeful.

Having said that, I think that Hillary committed the cardinal sin of PUBLICLY declaring that Obama was not fit to be POTUS. It's one thing to declare such things in private to supporters. It's quite another to make your critical and dismissive views known to the world.

Did any of Lincoln's team ever declare PUBLICLY that Lincoln was unfit to hold high office because of inexperience?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 05/17/2008

Great post. (I'm rushing out to get the book, which was supposed to be sent to me as an NPR contributor gift but never arrived ....)

Hope to have more posts like this and less of the fanning the flames of the division between the two candidates' supporters.

I think Sen. Clinton will do the right thing. She's smart and a pragmatist and has spent years working hard for Dem issues. I think she will have the class and political savvy to step forward to help heal the rift.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 05/17/2008

This is an excellent post. I will definitely be searching for good books about Lincoln.
I don't think Hillary is a good fit for VP. Not because she isn't capable, but because it is too much change for this country to swallow at once.
How about Secretary of Health and Human Services, with power to really change health care in this country?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 05/17/2008

Howard Dean said a while back the key part of this will be how the loser loses. It will be interesting to see which road Senator Clinton chooses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 05/17/2008

She had a conference call to "her bloggers" vows to stay in an fight. This is really bad. I really think she is serious about him losing so she can make a 2012 run.
If this happens she would not be able to run for dog-catcher in 2012! I am heartsick!

Obama 08.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 05/17/2008

Lincoln did not ask either of those men to be VP. If Obama wants Hillary in his cabinet fine, but her extreme statements about blowing up whole nations make her unfit to be either Sec of State (especially) or Sec of War (excuse me, Sec of Defense). What's left high enough for her, probably nothing except Attorney General.
And neither of those two men had an obnoxious spouse who happened to be an ex-President. (Well, Mr. Historian, was either of them lover to former president Buchanan perhaps). Bill hanging around the White House also complicates things.
Hillary and Bill's time is up. Retire already.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 05/17/2008
- David Quigg - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of David Quigg

Thanks for taking the time to read my post. Just wanted to call your attention to an UPDATE/CORRECTION I've posted elsewhere in these comments and on my own blog.

http://arithmeticofhope.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/05/updatecorrectio.html

Eventually, it will be added to my original post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 05/17/2008

It also been said (by Doris K Goodwin perhaps), that Lincoln
did not hesitate to bring the 'best' available people to be in
his administration. (Ok, maybe not true for Andrew Johnson,
but that's politics for you.) Anyway, let that also be said for Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 05/17/2008

This is one of the most important blogs of the week.

Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 05/17/2008

Here's the money quote from Seward in TOR, talking to a congressman who had told him some person would be disappointed not to get a position in the administration:

"Disappointment! You speak to me of disappointment. To me, who was justly entitled to the Republican nomination for the presidency, and who had to stand aside and see it given to a little Illinois lawyer!"

I swear, it's almost as if Doris Kearns Goodwin had a time machine before she wrote the book and traveled to the future to see what subject for a book would be absolutely the most salient read.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 05/17/2008

I love history. I love learning new information. This entire election will go down in history as a learning lesson for all.
Great conversation piece.
Thank you for excellent information that all children should read.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 05/17/2008

An absolutely fantastic post. History is cool.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 05/17/2008
- David Quigg - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of David Quigg

******************
CORRECTION
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This has no direct bearing on the key idea in my post: that Senator Clinton needs to choose between the Seward path and the Chase path.

But I want to clarify something else ASAP.

In Lincoln's era, the same convention delegates who picked the presidential nominee also picked the vice presidential nominee. So parsing Lincoln's choice of VP is pointless because Lincoln didn't pick his own VP.

Fuzzy details or not, it remains true that there's no Honest Abe Seal of Approval for an Obama-Clinton ticket. But it's also true, I now realize, that there's no obvious Seal of Disapproval.

Meanwhile, in trying to track down accurate details tonight, I found this ...

http://www.archive.org/details/proceedingsofrep00repuiala

It's a digitized copy of the proceedings of the Republicans' 1860 convention. Very cool that such a thing even exists on the web.

Finally, thanks to everyone who's read and commented so far. It's reassuring to try my best to send some ideas out into the world and then find myself getting comments from people who are clearly thinking before they type. Thanks also for the book tip, Susanfrom29.

- David Quigg

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 AM on 05/17/2008

Thank you for the tone and substance of your post, for actually reading the previous comments, and for thanking those who had commented! That and your motives for reading Goodwin's book in the first place are flat out civilized. Very nice work!

All the same, I doubt if Mrs. Clinton will soon attain a level of civilization remotely equivalent to yours, Seward's, or Doris Kearns Goodwin's and so, would greatly prefer that Obama not risk finding out the hard way. Firing a cabinet officer is very disruptive and firing a Vice President is very difficult.

Historical note: There's a statue of Seward at 23rd Street and Broadway in New York City. It depicts a tall, lanky man, who's seated with a pen in his hand. Seward was, as I understand it, a very short man. The legend is that the committee that raised the money to honor Seward was short of funds, but statues of Lincoln were being cast in quantity at the time, so they commissioned a likeness of Seward's head, had it placed on Lincoln's body, put the result on display and denied the details.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 05/17/2008

Wonderful wonderful article thoroughly enjoyed with my saturday morning coffee. My sense is that Hillary's pride and drive will require her to be both Seward and Chase only to need to succeed where Chase failed, if that makes any sense. And it's not too dull to think that the years ahead will provide all of us with front row seats to this new history with this wonderful cast of characters. Most of the time I feel sort of cheated that I can read about people in history but never witness them or their times.

Not this time... what we are watching with Obama and Clinton...this is fascinating far beyond any other pivotal point in history to me...I pinch myself that I am here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 05/17/2008

Also, as I recall from that book, Chase kind of stayed in Ohio and expected the nomination to come to him, even though he had no strong ties to the new Republican party. Nor did he run his department particularly well.

Hillary Clinton has never expected anything to come to her without working for it and I can't see her as being anything less that highly competent. And I have often thought that she would make a much better Secretary of State than she would a VP. She is too intelligent and capable to waste.

But for really interesting reading, try Counselor by Ted Sorensen. Lincoln isn't the only past President who rocks!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 05/17/2008
- David Quigg - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of David Quigg

Thanks. I'm now on my library's waiting list for "Counselor." I'm hoping it will be a warts-and-all portrayal of Sorensen's time among our country's leaders.

I worry sometimes that we set unreasonable standards for our current crop of leaders when we compare them to the hero-worship version of our great historical leaders. Goodwin helps us avoid this in TOR. There's a mortifying moment in the book where Lincoln calls black leaders to the White House to pitch them on a plan to emancipate the slaves and essentially deport them to some as-yet-undetermined spot in Central America. Lincoln is stunned when the leaders are offended by the proposal. As Goodwin put it (and I'm paraphrasing here), it's a moment when Lincoln's remarkable powers of empathy seem to have deserted him.

Also, at the risk of repeating myself too much here, I just wanted to call everyone's attention to an UPDATE/CORRECTION I've posted elsewhere in these comments and on my own blog.

http://arithmeticofhope.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/05/updatecorrectio.html

Eventually, it will be added to my original post.

Many thanks to you and the others who've commented so thoughtfully about this post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 05/17/2008

I think its towards the last stages of her campaign that Hillary actually started figthing for the nomination, and working it like there's no tomorrow. She and her campaign managers saw her as the inevitable candidate, until Obama's 11 winning streaks. And when she fought, she did using tactics that are not exactly fitting for this new generation. Her style of campaigning would have won her the nomination hands down if we were still the same as in the 90s. You have Bush to thank for Obama's rise. Not that I mind, I think he's terrific and is the approriate candidate in these times of durress. You can see the difference between him and Clinton in the way they handle the money. Clinton is from a time when our resources seemed almost infinite. Obama is a guy who's been working in financially hard hit areas. Two different experiences, one better for prosperous time, the other better for harsher economic landscapes. Obama represents the current mood of the country better than Clinton. I'm not going to go into white, black, asian, and latino divisions, we're all in the same boat. If it sinks we all sink, racist or not. I think Obama understands that, and still runs fully aware that some people hate his guts with perhaps even murderous passion, just because of his skin color. That's a heck of a lot of courage, that's a heck of a lot of patriotism. That's what we need now more than ever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 05/17/2008

This could be an "enlightenment" moment for Hillary - and she could be a better politician and human being for it. No foregone conclusions.

I'd be happy to see her anywhere in Obama's administration, including VP. As long as it is OBAMA'S choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 05/17/2008

Great post, David. I see Hillary following Seward's example.

I've learned to respect Hillary the way a soldier comes to admire his enemy in defeat. Once the battle started to wind down, and she gave up the endless attacks, I started to see who she really is: a true champion.

A champion for women, to be sure. But, considering all that woman has been through in her life, she's much more of a heroic warrior. Especially her coming to Obama's and Democrat's defense when "the boy king" chose to lob his insult of biblical proportion from the Knesset, Wednesday.

I learned a lot from this primary fight, (I got banned from commenting here at Huffpo for a month for an especially ad-hominum attack on Bill one day) and I learned that "On Becoming Fearless" one should stick to the topic, and drink decaf.

I think Hillary has learned alot, also, and I honestly can't picture her walking away from this with anything but honor. She will be a major force in the party, and an example to everyone.

Obama-Webb '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 05/17/2008

Fantastic book and great question. I will admit I am an Obama supporter and have been equating his candidacy with Lincoln's ever since I read the book. That said, I fear HRC will be Chase, not Seward. I wouldn't have said that when the race started, but the last few weeks make me think this is so personal to HRC that she may never reclaim the public servant in herself to rise to the occasion to be a Seward as he was able to do. I would not be opposed to her selection by Obama, but would worry about it. Also, though they all seem to have spouses that take it more "personally" than they do themselves, Bill has been so obstrusively present throughout, I don't think HRC finding her inner Seward is possible with Bill sticking his big nose in to every situation. Ever the optimist, I'm willing to be proven wrong, but I'd sure like to hear or see Bill do something very uncharacteristice to ease my concerns- like sit down and shut up for a while.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 05/16/2008

I too read and loved the book. I see a strong parallel between Obama and Lincoln. I hope that Hillary becomes Steward or Bates as opposed to Chase. Let's not forget Biden, Richardson and Edwards. They can be in a Obama cabinet too. Wouldn't that be awesome!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 PM on 05/16/2008

I am confident that if Hillary Clinton does not become the nominee, she will behave in the spirit of Seward. I believe that if we all let the race play out without trying to apply a lot of pressure on Clinton to drop out, everyone on both sides will get to feeling a little better about the situation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 05/16/2008

Knowing the Clinton s.........if I was Obama I could have everything I eat or drink checked..get double protection- They have a dirty history ....She could be having B and thats why she staying on the race until its over. the she get the Job done

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 05/16/2008
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