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Posted: January 22, 2010 11:55 AM

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Takes On Mountaintop Mining Magnate Don Blankenship

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Crossposted from Grist.org

On Thursday the University of Charleston in West Virginia hosted a debate between Don Blankenship, CEO of mountaintop-removal mining firm Massey Energy Co., and Robert F. Kennedy Jr., environmental lawyer and founder of the Waterkeeper Alliance. I kept up a running play-by-play that can be accessed by scrolling back through my Twitter feed, but I didn't take notes, so this is from memory and I won't be using direct quotes.


The mystery to me going in was why Blankenship agreed to it. What possible incentive is there for a corporate CEO to put himself in a risky situation, publicly defending a widely reviled product? What's the upside? Why not just buy some ads or hire more lobbyists?


Having watched the debate, I'm more mystified than ever. If that was supposed to be damage control, I'd hate to see damage. Blankenship had every advantage, with a friendly hometown crowd eager to applaud him and a moderator who helpfully read off pro-coal facts during commercial breaks, but he was painfully and obviously outmatched by Kennedy. I guess it's easy to get over-confident when you've effectively purchased a state government and broken the law with impunity for years.

He didn't seem even cursorily prepared. Kennedy reeled off fact after fact about declining mining employment in WV, the age of Appalachian ecosystems and the impossibility of recovering them after MTR mining damage, the enormous health and economic impacts of coal on Appalachia, the size of Chinese investments in clean energy, the number of Clean Water Act violations from Massey, and on and on and on. Every fact was geared toward a plea to West Virginians: look, this man is making himself rich by making you poor. He's sapping your state of jobs, income, health, and a future.

In response Blankenship had nothing but ressentiment and nativism. Over and over he dismissed Kennedy's facts as "rhetoric" and "just false" claims that "you can find on the internet," but not once did he refute or even convincingly contest a particular claim. He asked the audience to dismiss them based purely on crude stereotypes about out-of-state environmentalists.

His very first rebuttal drew on a familiar conservative trope: environmentalists are are overly emotional and rely on extremist rhetoric rather than facts and cool reason. But no sooner had the words left his mouth than he was talking about how the coal industry is really "your neighbors" and "Sunday school teachers," working to create down-home energy so terrorists don't come over and kill us. He warned that pesky regulatory constraints from do-gooders mean "we all better learn to speak Chinese." This is what reasoned, non-emotional rhetoric looks like, I guess: if you criticize my company you hate Sunday school teachers, love terrorists, and want to surrender national sovereignty to Red China.

When Kennedy accused him of leaving behind ghost towns across WV, Blankenship responded that he'd bought up all those homes at fair market value ("those people left voluntarily"). In response to Kennedy's points on water pollution, Blankenship effectively dismissed the threat of mercury as a bunch of hype on the internet. (If mercury is dangerous, he asked, how is it people in India live to be 79? Really, that was his argument. Apparently he's never heard of Minimata disease.) When Kennedy listed the social and health damages done by coal--"externalities" the industry charges to taxpayers--Blankenship mumbled, "do we have some of those externalities? I don't know. Maybe." When Kennedy pointed out that China is dumping trillions into renewable energy, Massey responded that they were only building windmills to appease the UN. When Kennedy pointed out that Massey's own disclosure revealed some 12,000 violations of the Clean Water Act last year, Blankenship responded that they're reducing their violations year to year, now that they've been reminded by the EPA that it would be a good idea.

In short, Kennedy was the encyclopedic superego of environmentalism and Blankenship was the raw id of crony capitalism.

I'll admit I've always been perversely fascinated by Blankenship. Most big corporate CEOs have mastered the art of calorie-free management speak. They've learned how to stay on message and skirt controversy. Not Blankenship. Not only does he openly flaunt the law and buy political access, he remains defiantly unpleasant in person, speaking in an affectless, heavily accented mumble. Watch toward the end of this video, the archival footage:

He still talks like that. He simply dismissed Kennedy's facts and stuck to his narrative:  global warming's a hoax, hippie environmentalists are strangling free enterprise,  out-of-staters have no right to question what happens in WV, and China is going to take over if we don't mine and burn all the coal we can as fast as we can. We're crazy to be worried about "parts per million" of pollutants when coal is the only thing keeping our life expectancy above Angola's. We're in a ruthless global competition for dominance and the most productive and efficient win, mountains and poor people be damned.

In sharp contrast to, say, Duke Energy's congenial, folksy CEO Jim Rogers, Blankenship fashions himself a hillbilly John Galt and doesn't give a f*ck what you think about it.

Why he'd want to take that act to a national audience is a true puzzlement.

 

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Crossposted from Grist.org On Thursday the University of Charleston in West Virginia hosted a debate between Don Blankenship, CEO of mountaintop-removal mining firm Massey Energy Co., and Robert F. K...
Crossposted from Grist.org On Thursday the University of Charleston in West Virginia hosted a debate between Don Blankenship, CEO of mountaintop-removal mining firm Massey Energy Co., and Robert F. K...
 
 
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01:23 PM on 01/25/2010
Shut in coal, develop all the US natural gas we can - shale gas in PA and NY, offshore Pacific and Atlantic and Rocky Mountain. Go EXXON!
05:53 PM on 01/25/2010
Well they are lining up for going after natural gas next. They are targeting the use of hydro fracturing that is essential in allowing for much of the NG deposits in the US to be exploited.
10:34 AM on 01/25/2010
If I were Blankenship, I would have asked Kennedy why his family has strongly opposed the Cape Wind wind farm project off the coast of Massachusetts.

Could it be that Kennedy is for "green energy" as long as those nasty windmills do not spoil the ocean view from the Kennedy compound?
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Beowolf741
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05:35 AM on 01/25/2010
This past weekend, I had the chance to live, eat, and sleep near property that had wind turbines generating electricity. I thought they were great almost silently doing their job.
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stargazer13
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01:21 PM on 01/25/2010
there is a peacefulness about them that is for sure Oregon has over the years been installing them up and down the gorge and when I see them it makes me feel good !!
05:51 PM on 01/25/2010
Except that to generate the amount of power that coal currently provides, it would cover much more then a small area. At least the areas that will eventually be used for wind power are not the same hypocritical snobs that oppose it in Massachusetts.
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Beowolf741
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07:51 PM on 01/25/2010
And you are telling me this cause you thought i didn't know this? I bet if the government gave the same subsidies to alternative energy that it does to big Oil and coal, we could have far more efficient wind turbines.
10:00 AM on 01/24/2010
I believe that the question of energy production will be answered by simple economics. The houses and buildings we have and use are going to cost a fortune to heat and cool that they will be abandon for more efficient ones. The price of natural gas will only rise and become as costly to use per month as electricity to heat with. If you take away natural gas as a heating source and replace it with electricity to heat with, the demand for electricity will skyrocket, as will the cost. If the sale of electricity ever become that like how natural gas, crude oil, or gasoline is sold, then we are in for some hot and cold dark days and nights ahead of us.
03:28 PM on 01/25/2010
What? This doesn't make sense
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mlaiuppa
Pres. Sarcasm Society. Like we need your approval.
10:21 PM on 01/23/2010
He didn't have to prepare and it doesn't matter what he said. The debate was so much useless entertainment.

He has enough money to buy any politician and legislation he wants to continue to strip mine the tops off of mountains. The Supreme Court says so. It's just a matter of time.
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watershedbaby
01:20 PM on 01/23/2010
In Greene County PA we have longwall mining, deep mining, coal bed methane gas extraction, and small scale strip mining. Now the gas industry has come for the marcellus shale gas. As a result we have lost our water supplies or they are polluted with total dissolved solids, and other unnamed pollutants throughout the county, our stream beds are cracked and broken, homes have been destroyed, and communities have been disenfranchised. From September 2009 thru October 2009, 43 miles of stream, Dunkard Creek, was killed as a result of coal mining waste and slurry, and gas waste frac fluid products being dumped into that area. The result of these poisons suffocated every living thing in the stream. The fossil-fuel industry, regardless of what type, behave just like Massey Energy. Destroy, destroy, destroy. Search Dunkard Creek aquatic kill and you will see the devastation that happens when there is no political will at the local, state, and federal level to protect the citizens from the non-renewable fossil fuel industry.
06:57 AM on 01/25/2010
I remember reading about this, probably in Grist or Mother Jones.

On my way back to the Chicago area from a trip to New York city a couple of summers ago, I took a side trip to Falling Water and drove through Greene County to get to I-79. It's a beautiful part of a beautiful state, and its sad to learn about the destruction that comes about when people aren't able to protect their communities and their natural heritage from rapacious corporations. I feel like I am consoling you for a death in the family when I say that I am sorry for your loss.
04:23 PM on 01/26/2010
I would suggest turning off all the electricity in your house, or installing a wind turbine.
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04:40 AM on 01/23/2010
I applaud Mr. Blankenship for being willing to try to publicly, openly, and hopefully, honestly, try to defend what he personally believes is the right thing to do. It is not those who are willing to engage in respectful dialogue who are the most dangerous, but rather those who hide behind closed doors and use their vast wealth to manipulate the public through the talking heads on networks such as Fox Noise.

Personally, it does not matter to me how strange a person's point of view is, how far to the right or to the left, so long as they are willing to try to discuss their views respectfully and honestly. From honest dialogue we can hope for progress and improvement.
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jimstaro
06:57 AM on 01/23/2010
Applaud if you want, now go over to the Real Network site and watch the archived debate, also on YouTube, and if you're a worker in any profession listen closely to what Blakenship says. You're just a body that can be pushed aside, he doesn't Applaud your work nor any others, and your community can be used to further his wealth while he destroys it!

These are the capitalist {teeny tiny 'c'} criminal terrorist of this country, terror comes in many forms and many ways and done by the few on the many!!
10:33 AM on 01/23/2010
The correct name is Plutocrats
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kareemachan
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12:49 PM on 01/23/2010
So you think he defended his views honestly? By dismissing every point made by Kennedy as 'he found that on the internet' or such?
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01:39 PM on 01/23/2010
Nevertheless, there was a dialogue. If the heads of Exxon, Cigna, the Teabaggers, and al Qaeda were to openly and peacefully discuss issues with their "opponents," we would probably have some very interesting dialogue, but it would be preferable to what is going on now. When we reach the point where attempts at constructive and peaceful discussion are rejected out of hand, what alternatives are we left with?

While I certainly would not say that I side with Mr. Blankenship economically or intellectually, I applaud his willingness to meet face to face with environmental lawyer Mr. Kennedy.

Here in Orange County, CA, I find myself surrounded by people with radically different views from my own. Most of those I talk with do not even accept the theory of Evolution as a working model, but I find that I have been able to make friends with most of my neighbors. We need to want to get along with people, even when we cannot agree on religion and politics. By wanting to get along, we do not needlessly insult one another, and interpersonal friction is reduced.

It is when cordiality is rejected out of hand that we are on the verge of real trouble.
10:22 PM on 01/22/2010
The Future of Energy debate failed to do anything but defend and attack the status quo. There were no new ideas and no alternatives to mechanized surface-mining technique. It's too bad the event generated complaints and criticisms but no solutions or alternatives.

If you are interested in alternative energies and environmentally-friendly technology, check out http://www.greencollareconomy.com. It has hundreds of case studies on green tech and the largest b2b green directory on the web.
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John Mainstream
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06:23 PM on 01/22/2010
For the next few decades, we have no choice but to use coal...or go without electricity. The question is: how do we minimize the damage caused by coal to our environment?
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Gover
09:20 PM on 01/22/2010
Remember that whole "atom splitting" thing we figured out how to do?
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01:46 AM on 01/23/2010
You mean that whole "atom splitting" thing that made 3 Mile Island into a household word and turned hundreds of square miles in and around Chernobyl into a toxic wasteland?

Natural gas phasing into wind, solar and tidal energy.
07:56 AM on 01/25/2010
Last time I heard, Mother Nature didn't split the atom and develop the bomb. I'm not saying that she can't get up to some pretty destructive mischief of her own, but to compare the harnessing of geothermal energy with developing weapons that have the potential to destroy entire cities or building nuclear power plants which produce toxic waste that no one wants in their back yard is quite a stretch.
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realpolitic
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05:38 PM on 01/22/2010
Kennedy is always well informed and professional. Too bad that even the Obama administration is letting Big Coal rape the mountain tops in West Virginia.
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jakiew
repugs follow dictators playbook
01:09 AM on 01/23/2010
since democrats got elected, the epa obviously isn't under big corp.'s thumb anymore. they are setting stricter standards and that's why the coal companies are trying to doing damage control lately.
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realpolitic
GOP is full of sound and fury, signifying nothing!
04:57 PM on 01/23/2010
Yes, but the EPA has not started to regulate co2 yet.
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KIVPossum
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05:33 PM on 01/22/2010
Two parts -

I am disgusted with the destruction of W.VA, and parts of western VA by these mining companies that come in, rape the land, and walk away. They are a blight.

However I know Don well, have been to his home many times, coached his son in soccer, and his kids and mine were friends. He is one of the nicest, gentlest, most generous men around. If the school or youth group need something, they get it. If a friend or neighbor needs something, they get it. His wife is also wonderful, the stereotypical Appalachian country girl.

This has always put me in an awkward position, as I respect and admire the man in his personal life, and am disgusted by how he earns his millions.
07:51 PM on 01/22/2010
Hey, he's an evil son of a bitch who is destroying West Virginia. He is destroying West Virginia.

I wonder if you are real, by the way? He is divorced. Maybe he is remarried. But he should not be allowed around children. He should be in prison, locked away forever.
01:00 AM on 01/23/2010
http://www.appvoices.org/images/MTRExtent_full.jpg

Here is a map of current MTR areas. City sprawl of major US cities is destroying more area then MTR is. People like their suburbs though.
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KIVPossum
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03:12 AM on 01/23/2010
He was not divorced in the days I knew him. Agreed he is destroying the mountains for a buck. But if you did not know what he did for a living, you could easily sit down to supper with him and like the man.

I don't know why you think he shouldn't be allowed around children. He actually likes kids better than adults and is a easy mark when any civic group raises funds for kids' projects.
05:32 PM on 01/22/2010
I saw the "debate" live (until the feed stalled) and, yes, RFK Jr had the facts hands down.
BUT, I never saw him call Blankenship on any of the lies/innuendo he was posing that
this article accurately mentioned e.g. you just want to ship jobs overseas; out-of-staters
got no bidness even being here.
It was disappointing that RFK did not push back on some of those things because
I would not be surprised if the local audience thought Blankenship won the debate.
04:44 PM on 01/22/2010
Unless people decide to hang the laundry out to dry, use energy efficient light bulbs and turn off the lights and other things like that to save energy, mountaintops will continue to be blown off and water polluted. The mining of coal was always dirty and it is because people want to ignore the high cost of cheap anything.
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David Novack
04:29 PM on 01/22/2010
Coal reserves are being depleted rapidly. Blankenship is in the business of making sure he can continue as always, extracting as much as he can, before carbon is ultimately priced by tax or cap, and supply dwindles. It's a race. Like when a bunch of kids sit down to dinner and eat as fast as they can so they can beat each other out to a second helping. Gluttony. And the narrative to support the goal is whatever works, damn the science and factual evidence.

Plus, all too coincidentally, Blankenship is a prime example of why yesterday's Supreme Court decision on campaign finance is a disaster.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-millhiser/supreme-courts-judge-for_b_171498.html
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KIVPossum
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05:38 PM on 01/22/2010
When this was posted I passed it by a couple of attorney friends. Seems that he didn't actually do anything illegal, only bent the law as much as possible in his favor.
12:57 AM on 01/23/2010
164 years of production is considered rapidly be depleted? That is just the reserves that are currently economical to mine. If technology or prices change, that could increase a good bit more.
04:09 PM on 01/22/2010
Unfortunately, until we improve the education levels in rural parts of this country it will be difficult to sway the locals. At the end of the day they need a pay check from someone, anyone... even if they pollute. So, unless we begin building wind farms with higher paying jobs in the neighborhood this is all just a theoretical debate.
I wish I could have been there to see it for myself. I've seen RFK speak and he is an amazing man; both patriotic and wise.
President Obama needs to subsidize alternate energy companies. It will create energy independence, create jobs for Americans, and fund our next industrial revolution.
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09:45 AM on 01/23/2010
So you point is that all of the people who live in rural areas are to stupid to know any better?

Wow. Appears you are the one that needs educated.