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David Sirota

David Sirota

Posted: December 1, 2009 08:51 PM

Some Simple Questions After Obama's Afghanistan War Speech

What's Your Reaction:

Just a few quick questions to ponder after President Obama's speech announcing a massive escalation in Afghanistan:

- What percentage of those kids in the audience will die because of this decision?

- Why do so many pundits and pro-Obama activists continue to focus on how "hard" and "difficult" and "trying" this decision is for President Obama, rather than on how "hard" and "difficult" and "trying" this will be for the soldiers who are killed? Doesn't Obama get to make this decision, and then go home to the comfortable confines of a butlered White House, while thousands of Americans will be sent 7,000 miles from home to face their potential deaths? Isn't the latter "harder" than the former?

- Where's the antiwar movement and the marches and the organizing and the protesting? Where are all those well-funded groups that protested George W. Bush's war policy? Or was all that really just about hating George Bush and embracing blind Partisan War Syndrome?

- In the days and weeks after this speech, will the White House's cynical new spin get ever more desperate and become, hey - at least an Afghanistan escalation holds out the possibility of making sure military combat casualties start outpacing military suicides?

- Simple budget question: Should we now believe that escalating the Afghanistan War at the same annual cost of universal health care will save more than 45,000 Americans a year (i.e. the number of Americans who die every year for lack of health insurance)?

- Did CNN really turn a move to potentially send thousands of Americans to die in Central Asia into an over-stylized, hyper-marketed television show called "Decision Afghanistan?" Is the media really that soulless, or did my eyes betray me?

- Which is worse - a stupid person like George W. Bush starting a dumb occupation, or a smart person like Barack Obama following the lead of that stupid person, but actually escalating that occupation?

- The "we're going to escalate war to end war" refrain throughout the speech - have we heard that before somewhere? It sounds sorta like "we'll burn down the Vietnam villages to save them." Just curious if that's what we're talking about here - because, ya know, that worked out really well.

- Are we really expected to believe that massively escalating a war is the way to end a war? I mean, really? Like, is the public really looked at like we're that stupid? And a follow-up question: Are we really that stupid?

- If Obama's Afghan War strategy about escalating a war to end a war was a self-help strategy for, say, alcoholics, wouldn't it prescribe drinking more whiskey to stop drinking - and wouldn't we all laugh at that?

- How many pundits will insist that bowing down to the Military-Industrial complex and escalating this missionless war somehow shows "resolve" and "strength" and "toughness" and "leadership" and not embarrassing weakness?

- Would the Obamaphiles now telling us to "give President Obama a chance" with this decision and/or defending Obama's escalation - would these same people be saying we should "give President McCain a chance" and/or defending President McCain's escalation if he was the one in office making this decision?

- I'm confused: Is this hope or change?

 
 
 
Just a few quick questions to ponder after President Obama's speech announcing a massive escalation in Afghanistan: - What percentage of those kids in the audience will die because of this decision? ...
Just a few quick questions to ponder after President Obama's speech announcing a massive escalation in Afghanistan: - What percentage of those kids in the audience will die because of this decision? ...
 
 
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Guitarsandmore
devoted father, community activist, musician, reti
12:27 AM on 12/04/2009
I would have rather see the money spent on health care saving lives.
03:30 PM on 12/03/2009
To oppose the war is not to oppose Obama's presidency, but this decision (or others).

I would like to ask our President: In your heart of hearts do you believe in your own actions or is it that you do not have the strength (failure of pride) to go beyond conventional military wisdom and its minions? Transparency seems to have a different definition now as it is transparent that you are using your gifted eloquence to rationalize the whole deal to the entire world. We call upon you to give the world a better example!

Mr. Sirota's questions are absolutely legit and there will come a day in the near future when opposition will be more organized despite the general respect we have for our President.
whitebeach
Hey, buddy, can you spare a micro-bio?
02:04 PM on 12/03/2009
Actually, although I remember plenty of protests of the Iraq War, I don't remember any at all against the invasion of Afghanistan post-9/11. Maybe that's because most Americans, left and right, concluded that this action was necessary. So Sirota's question, which appears to be suggesting some sort of hypocritical pass given to Obama but not Bush, is specious.
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FearlessFreep
A radical leftist with a JS Woodsworth avatar.
03:12 PM on 12/03/2009
Or maybe people were afraid of looking unpatriotic.
01:06 PM on 12/03/2009
David, the anti-war protesters are in the same place that tea-party whackos were 2 years ago. At home. Anti-war protesters were funded and organized by left-wing groups. They would never fund protests on a democrat white house. Don't be so naive.
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01:58 PM on 12/03/2009
Indeed.

The "anti-war" marches were naught but glorified parades. And when the climate is right, EVERYONE loves a parade. Heck, everyone loves a CHARADE, too.
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PartisanLove
doh
04:23 PM on 12/03/2009
Anti war protests were funded by left wing groups? Do you mean left wing corporate interests? please tell me or show me evidence. Im not denying its true but would like to know where you got this info. Its obvious with the tea bag protests how some were bussed in and funded.
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robeson
12:53 PM on 12/03/2009
I agree with everything here except the implied notion that Obama intends to end the military presence in this region. My reading of speech excerpts brings me to the opposite conclusion. In fact he may have done GW one better. The inclusion of these two caveats for withdrawal, Afghan army ready, Taliban subdued and country stable, will always give him and the DOD room to maneuver for continuation. I along with Rove and Gingrich see his program as an open ended commitment to perpetual war.
07:43 PM on 12/02/2009
I stand by the President's decision. Afghanistan was the right war, where our real enemies were and still are. And don't dare sit on your high-horses and talk about "those kids in the audience who will die". Their job is to follow the orders of their Commander-in-Chief, and to defend the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. If they didn't know that, they shouldn't have joined. Look, Iraq was a terrible idea. I was there, and feel no pride fighting in that meaningless war, and I feel like I lost good friends for no reason whatsoever, but that was my job to do. However, I would have proudly served in Afghanistan. How many of you would say that? No one? How about you, Sirota? Would you come from behind the computer screen to take on our enemies? No? Then shut your mouth.
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vorpalmusic
10:24 AM on 12/03/2009
What real enemies? We didn't have any enemies in Afghanistan until we went there and started shooting people. The hi-jackers, as we all know, were Saudi-Arabian.

Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI, when asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.
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PartisanLove
doh
04:29 PM on 12/03/2009
Fighting a war against a military tactic (war on terror) will never end, like a war on drugs. While thousands die, its easy for all of us to say war is necessary and justified. Just because one doesnt serve doesnt mean he/she cant share an opinion.
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BartRoberts
Vita canis, tum mors.
05:22 PM on 12/02/2009
"We'll be pulling out in 2011" will rank up there with "I'll respect you in the morning" and "The check is in the mail."
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vorpalmusic
05:35 PM on 12/02/2009
Yepp. : (
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Smithn
~ 13.7 Billion Years:::: i am not. BANG! I am.
04:55 PM on 12/02/2009
Taliban/AlQeada's Three Step Strategic Plan:
Phase I: Get Pakistant's nukes
Phase II :Overthrow Afghanistan gov't
Phase III :Nuke Israel and blow up America.

What should we do?
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vorpalmusic
05:10 PM on 12/02/2009
The Taliban/Al-Quaeda is not a credible threat to our nation, nor to Pakistan. Even if they were, I think the burden is on you to explain how occupying Afghanistan is doing anything to lessen the supposed threat.

You honestly believe that a bunch of guys in the desert can take down Pakistan? Then why hasn't India done it yet?

The 9-11 hi-jackers were Saudi-Arabian!
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libwingoflibwing
Leftist, Christian, Non-Violent Revolutionary
01:24 PM on 12/03/2009
And they planned what they did in Spain and Virginia.

Fighting a war with Afghanistan because some terrorists might plan terror there is like going to war with Brooklyn because some criminals might plan crime there.
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BartRoberts
Vita canis, tum mors.
07:49 PM on 12/07/2009
"The Taliban/Al-Quaeda is not a credible threat to our nation, nor to Pakistan. Even if they were, I think the burden is on you to explain how occupying Afghanistan is doing anything to lessen the supposed threat."

It doesn't, but it'll make stock holders in Halliburton a lot richer. So, even if they do blow up America, all that extra money will make it hurt a lot less for some.
04:49 PM on 12/02/2009
You cannot lie in the search for truth,
and you cannot kill in the search for peace.
..............jp
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marignymitch
E pluribus unum percent
04:13 PM on 12/02/2009
Re-instituting the draft will immedately energize antiwar activists. Until then death and dying are somebody else's problem; somebody else being members of the working class who have no champions in corporate Washington.
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vorpalmusic
04:31 PM on 12/02/2009
Why would a draft ever become necessary? There are no jobs and no one is trying to make any. People will be signing up in droves.
12:40 PM on 12/03/2009
Nope.
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vorpalmusic
03:48 PM on 12/02/2009
I posted this on another story but it's equally valid here:

A lot of people are fond of saying that everthing wrong in the country is the fault of George Bush. While it happens to be true, an equal share of blame goes to all the people who stood around saying nothing while it happened, or worse, took every opportunity to defend every wrong move he made to those of us who were complaining.

Unfortunately, the same policies continue, and the majority of the population continues to stand there and defend every wrong move that the new President makes. Wake up, f00ls. If it was wrong when Bush was doing it, it's wrong when Obama does it too.

It may be different people defending Obama, but they're achieving the same goal as the Bushites with the same tactics: silence all opposition as the US continues its rapid descent into the dustbin of history. Now approaching terminal velocity.
nilotic
Heckling backbencher
04:32 PM on 12/02/2009
"It may be different people defending Obama, but they're achieving the same goal as the Bushites with the same tactics: silence all opposition as the US continues its rapid descent into the dustbin of history."

I've said before that the Obamabots have replaced the Bushbots - they are birds of a feather and they don't seem to know it. It's all about the man, not the policy or what's best for the country. They have no tolerance for legitimate dissent. They dismiss opposing views as evidence of a lack of patience and childish expectations. Sad.
12:42 PM on 12/03/2009
You mean people standing up for what they believe in, rather than just nodding their heads as the person they voted for does whatever they want? What a novel concept. It's too much. My brain might explode.
03:34 PM on 12/02/2009
One thing only is clear: this is now Obama's war.
He has the power to butt outta there and he made the decision to surge for now.
What happens in 2011+, nobody knows but you can bet on the status quo.
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vorpalmusic
03:43 PM on 12/02/2009
Yeah. To anyone who really believes we're going to pull out in 2011, I have an oil pipeline in Afghanistan to sell you.
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PartisanLove
doh
04:33 PM on 12/03/2009
Thats right, protect the pipeline at all costs. As long as money controls policy nothing changes. Everyone become independent, then vote for independents whether you lean left or right. Thats the only real change we can believe in, no matter how long it takes.
03:32 PM on 12/02/2009
It's not that anyone who voted for Obama is oblivious to what is happening, Mr. Sirota. It's that many of us are trying to get our breath back after getting it knocked out of us on health care, now this, with environmental issues to follow. Most of us aren't sycophants. We just hoped, knowing the odds were against us. He owes too many favors to party power players and corporations. Right now I'm trying to understand what is happening at the WTO conference which is where the real power is being leveraged. ALSO, I don't feel like feeding the Beck, O'Reilly, Coulter et al beast by doing street theatre which will be used to the advantage of the right wing sound machine.
12:45 PM on 12/03/2009
Rollyn, I have to respectfully disagree. That is a cop out. If you are not for this war, than you must oppose it. That would mean you oppose the president's stance on the issue. It's pure and simple.
03:26 PM on 12/02/2009
I usually bashed Sirota once in a while, especially when he wrote down some really impractical opinions. But I have to say that all his questions in this article are legitimate and I agree with them all. It turns out that Obama's visits to Dover, Arlington Cemetery, laying of wreaths were just photo-ops---to pretend that he knew what the families were going through. But he did not. Dick Cheney would have made the same decision as would Bush. So, the hope and change campaign words are out of the window.

I think he's gonna regret this decision to send young Americans to a war without mission or reason. His speech didn't make any sense, in terms of how his strategies would be different from his predecessor's. This is what I think would probably happen. He wouldn't be able to withdraw American troops by 2011. No one knows for how long a war would last.

Infrastructures, economy, social programs, education are all crumbling and the debt is topping $12 trillion, yet an American president feels the necessity to spend lives and money (going deeper in debt) in another corruption-ravaged country.

If you are trying to avoid another US 9/11-like attack, why not put those 30,000 soldiers at strategic positions in the US? Sending them to Afghanistan doesn't stop terrorist attacks; it makes it more likely. Or if you want to catch Bin Laden, his capture doesn't mean much. He already has a lot of followers.
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gypsy508
03:05 PM on 12/02/2009
"Why do so many pundits and pro-Obama activists continue to focus on how "hard" and "difficult" and "trying" this decision is for President Obama..."

Because it is a war for political image.
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MeasleeMillion
Keep it comin'
01:41 PM on 12/03/2009
He had "political image" already.