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Posted: August 17, 2009 01:24 PM

Evolution and War: Basic and Advanced


John Horgan, whose article on evolution and war was the subject of my last blog, has written a blog in reply and informed me of a second article that he has written on the subject. Since I accused him of flunking Evolution 101, I shouldn't be surprised that he called me an "arrogant evolutionary reductionist." How ironic, that two thinkers on war should so easily lapse into the intellectual equivalent of saber rattling and war! I hereby apologize and lay down my saber in hope of fostering a more collaborative discussion.

First I will try to achieve a consensus on some basic issues. If we can't agree on these, then we can't even leave square one. Then I will jump to an advanced level by showcasing the work of Peter Turchin, author of War and Peace and War among other books. My hope is that everyone who thinks about war and peace can begin to approach his level of sophistication, even if they don't agree with him in every respect.

Leaving square one: Too often, discussions of war have implicitly or explicitly assumed the following formulae:

(evolution/genes/innate/biology)=(war is inevitable/nothing can be done)

(learning/culture)=(war is preventable/anything is possible)

The point that I was trying to make in my last blog is that these formulae are profoundly wrong and unhelpful. Evolution is all about context sensitivity. All organisms are elaborately designed to change their phenotypes in response to environmental change, according to rules that evolve by prior evolution. Adaptive phenotypic plasticity turns genetic determinism on its head, as I discuss in a chapter of Evolution for Everyone titled "How I learned to stop worrying and love genetic determinism." If we were instructed by our genes to "do X under all circumstances", we would have little capacity for change. But if we're instructed by our genes to "do X under circumstance X', do Y under circumstance Y'..." and if we decide that Y is a desirable behavior, we need merely provide circumstance Y' and Y becomes easy. Knowledge about evolution becomes a powerful tool for environmental intervention.

Moreover, learning and culture do not stand outside the orbit of evolution but must themselves be understood from an evolutionary perspective. Even B.F. Skinner, who most people associate with the "anything is possible" view of human nature, regarded operant conditioning as a product of genetic evolution and a process of evolution in its own right. The if-then rules provided by genetic evolution include the reinforcers that cause behaviors to be learned and transmitted in a more open-ended fashion.

To summarize our progress so far, we can't leave square one on the subject of evolution and war unless we abandon these formulaic assumptions. Evolution is all about change and only by the strangest of secondary assumptions can it be interpreted as an incapacity for change. The interesting question is this: Have smart people already discovered all the answers without using the E-word, or would a sophisticated knowledge of genetic and cultural evolution lead to new answers about the causes and prevention of war?

It's a complex world: In his reply to my previous blog, John chided me for implying that war can be prevented by finding the right environmental context, as easily as sunburn can be prevented by applying sunscreen. Here is the relevant passage:

Wilson, of course, doesn't specify the environmental conditions under which war always occurs. That's because there are no such conditions. For example, war is often linked to population density, environmental degradation, resource scarcity, and sedentary cultures, but war does not always occur when all these conditions are met. Conversely, war may break out and persist when none of the usual risk factors are present. War is both over-determined and under-determined. That is what makes it such a frustrating and fascinating topic for scientific analysis -- and why it makes fools of arrogant evolutionary reductionists like David Sloan Wilson.

Gracious! I hope that I can get John to back down from his own fiery rhetoric. First, there is a big difference between no conditions and complex conditions. If there are truly no conditions that cause war, if it is purely random, then there is nothing left to discuss, regardless of whether we are evolutionists, another sort of scientist, or a postmodernist. If the conditions that cause war are complex, with multiple interacting factors (including chance), then outcomes cannot easily be predicted on the basis of single factors. In this case, it is everyone's job to figure out what is going on, in all its complexity, and it is an open question whether a sophisticated knowledge of evolution can contribute to understanding. The important point is that emphasizing complexity is no argument at all against the relevance of evolution. Evolutionists are fully aware that it's a complex world.

In addition, single factors are sometimes so important that they can be straightforwardly identified and changed. In my aforementioned chapter, I discuss the work of Margo Wilson and Martin Daly, who demonstrate a strong relationship between violent conflict among men and early reproduction in women to life expectancy and income inequality in Chicago neighborhoods. If you want men to get along and women to delay reproduction, try providing a social environment that enables the average person to live into their seventies with a relatively equal sharing of resources. That remedy might not be as easy as applying sunscreen, but the results will be as reliable.

I'll end this section with a word about postmodernism, which I mentioned pejoratively in my last blog, prompting HeevenSteven to ask for a clarification. In its extreme form, postmodernism treats science as equivalent to any other belief system without any special claim on what counts as knowledge. It is this position that royniles defines as "something from which the absence of leaves one profoundly enriched and liberated." I recommend the book Fear of Knowledge: Against Relativism and Constructivism by philosopher Paul Boghossian for the highbrow version of royniles' definition. As Paul shows, nothing has happened in philosophy to challenge the truth of such statements as "there were mountains on earth before there were people."

There is, however, a more moderate form of postmodernism worth keeping, which emphasizes the extreme complexity and context sensitivity of cultural systems and questions whether assertions of truth in any particular culture, including scientific culture, are in fact part of the culture's ideology. Insofar as postmodernism, relativism, and constructivism merely emphasize complexity and ideology masquerading as truth, they fit comfortably with scientific approaches that also emphasize complexity, including evolutionary theories of human belief systems, as described in my book Darwin's Cathedral and elsewhere.

Jumping to the advanced level: Meet Peter Turchin. The son of a famous computer scientist and pioneer of the artificial life movement, Peter began his career as a biologist specializing in population dynamics, such as the boom and bust cycles of bark beetles. These cycles are influenced by multiple factors and are therefore complex and irregular. If you want to appreciate complexity in the biological world, read Peter's earlier work, which places an equal emphasis on mathematical modeling and the analysis of time series data. At some point Peter decided that he needed a new challenge and decided to approach human historical dynamics in the same way as nonhuman population dynamics, including the same emphasis on mathematical modeling and time series analysis of historical trends in the real world. He calls this approach Cliodynamics, from Clio, the muse of history, and dynamics, the study of temporally varying processes. Peter's most accessible book is War and Peace and War: The Life Cycles of Imperial Nations and his newest book, Secular Cycles, was just published by Princeton University Press. For a shorter introduction to Peter's work, I recommend the article titled "War and the Evolution of Social Complexity: A Multi-level Selection Approach" available on the Cliodynamics website.

It is beyond the scope of this blog to discuss Peter's work in detail; better to read it yourself. The point I want to emphasize here is that Peter is operating at a level of sophistication concerning evolution and complexity that makes the formulaic discussions outlined above seem silly by comparison. That doesn't make Peter's work incomprehensible; he is perfectly able to write for a general audience in addition to his more technical work. It's just that he is making use of contemporary genetic and cultural evolutionary theory. He might not have everything right, but getting it right will require operating at the same level.

I hope that everyone interested in evolution and war can permanently leave square one and gravitate to the level represented by Peter's work. As I concluded my last blog, we have a lot of work to do.

 
 
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01:30 AM on 08/21/2009
The description of the Murngin in my previous comment illustrates that the egalitarianism of small scale foraging societies is limited to adult males and women are, as you say, Dr. Wilson, excluded from the moral circle. Sterelny says: "Gender inequality generates conflicts of interest, and ... in many social worlds, including small-scale social worlds, the relationship between the sexes is deeply poisoned, because the consequences of inequality are noted and resented." Just how "poisoned" in traditional Australian Aboriginal societies I don't know, but obviously conflicts of interest have very often not been resolved in favour of females in most hunter-gatherer, and indeed most human, societies.

The lack of legitimacy for an evolutionary viewpoint on these conflicts of interest is obvious in public debate over the recent Australian government "intervention" into child abuse in remote Indigenous communities. Strong cultural relativism leads to paralysis that prevents prioritizing rights of women and children to live free from violence. A general recognition that forms of organisation which allowed successful adaptation of cultural groups in the past often came at a painful cost in maladaptation for individuals can presumably enlighten put our moral choices in the present. In Australia, removing ideological blinkers would also allow squarely acknowledging the scientific evidence for intergroup violence of pre-contact society and its interelation to the oppression of women together with the awful ongoing toll of invasion and colonisation and let us see how all of this has interacted to cause the current dire state of affairs.
01:06 AM on 08/21/2009
Dr Wilson, you've said it's a "fundamental tenet of multilevel evolution that virtues at one level become vices at higher levels", so looking out for oneself becomes selfishness, looking out for one's family becomes nepotism, etc. (Evolution for Everyone, p. 291). This also works in reverse of course (but not so inevitably?). I.e. adaptations that benefit higher levels of organisation are detrimental at lower levels, as Bowles has shown with modelling that indicates mortality levels in hunter-gatherer intergroup violence could have allowed proliferation of group benefical behaviour costly to the individual altruist:.
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/324/5932/1293

A concrete example from Australia is the connection between polygamy and intergroup conflict among the Murngin of east Arnhemland studied by Warner in the 1920s. The excess of men that resulted from polygamy was resolved by men marrying in middle age to prepubescent girls and the extremely high rates of death for young men in warfare, estimated at 30 times the mid 1990s US homicide rate.

So adaptation in human societies at one level can be maladaptation and "selection on individuals and on groups to be both strong and conflicting" (Kim Sterelny from the following).
http://www.tempoandmode.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/ks-snafus.pdf

And the aim of the social improvemnt game in multilevel selection terms is, I guess, minimizing the detrimental tradeoffs between conflicting levels of organisation.
01:43 AM on 08/21/2009
Oops, typo correction. Third paragraph should read:
So adaptation in human societies at one level can be maladaptation at another level and selection on individuals and on groups can be both strong and conflicting . (paraphrasing Kim Sterelny)
12:00 AM on 08/19/2009
Hey, whitecap, your use of arcane and pretentious terminology, and effusive praise that bore little relevance to the post at hand, was at best an irritant to those hoping for some serious discussion of the subject. Arrogant? To me it's arrogant to do little else than provide a litany of your reading habits and other educational experiences, as if your agreement with the poster was thus in and of itself a significant development in the world of science. But so far, pointing out that something connotes a "synthesis of disparate theoretical elements" when your verbiage would indicate you wouldn't know one when you saw one leaves significance to be desired.
As to attributing my motives to having some disagreement with your ideas, I've seen no evidence that you have any you could call our own.
01:04 AM on 08/19/2009
I listed the authors I did to indicate the breadth of areas to which multilevel selection theory has been applied, just my own experience, and likewise I detailed my experiences struggling to make sense of postmodern relativism to make the point that an evolutionary perspective has greater explanatory and synthetic power. My original intent in posting was to express an intellectual debt of gratitude to David Sloan Wilson, which is, I'm pretty sure, a legitimate use of the commenting function. I'll refrain from further posts in this thread because a slanging match is not.
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02:34 PM on 08/18/2009
Wilson's basic assumptions about Darwinism are wrong, so his critique of Horgan is beside the point. Here's some commentary at the Darwiniana blog: http://darwiniana.com/2009/08/18/30747/

Also the comments on Turchin 'macrohistory' theories are dubious mechanizations of historical dynamism: a look at the eonic effect (http://history-and-evolution.com) might show how the question of historical dynamics (and warfare) is tricky and refuses to yield to scientific reductionism and/or Darwinism
03:55 PM on 08/18/2009
John, full disclosure would require acknowledging that you have invented the "eonic effect" concept, self-published the book and operate the referenced blog.
Dr. Wilson has earned his place at the podium here. Making statements of fact backed up by your own assertions elsewhere that they are factual is perhaps not the way to earn your own place at the same podium
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nemonemini
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04:21 PM on 08/19/2009
What is the complaint. That the blog is mine is transparent.

I think that the 'self-published' book seems to do a lot better than the establishment sanctioned book, so spare me the 'in crowd' snobbery.
Theories of evolution are in crisis: it requires outsiders to deal with the situation
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01:59 PM on 08/18/2009
Dr Wilson, thanks for your insight. I just ordered "Fear of Knowledge", and, thanks to Whitecap, I have your paper, "Evolutionary Social Constructivism", which I'll start as soon as I figure out what Constructivism means...lol..

I read Turchin's W&P&W and think it may be among the 10 most interesting books I've read. As you wrote, it is very accessible; if a dummy like me can love it, anyone can. The science of History--Tolstoy would love it too, I'm sure.
10:17 PM on 08/18/2009
I just read "Evolutionary Social Constructivism" as a result of your post. I was very intrigued by the title since: 1) I consider myself a Rule Oriented Constructivist in the tradition of Onuf and Kratochwil (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructivism_in_international_relations ), and; 2) I'm a big proponent of commensurability between the social sciences and evolutionary theory (I'll again cite my paper at http://www.rkey.com/essays/Simon_DCI_02.pdf ). I think it's important to add that my approach to constructivism clearly diverges from the extreme post-modernist/relativist attitudes that have been associated with many kinds of constructivist thinking. That said, like many constructivists, I reject determinism in human behavior.

So I was very alert to this line toward the end of Wilson's paper: "Giving stories gene-like status endows them with the potency and centrality that they have always enjoyed within social constructivist perspectives."

He doesn't use the word "meme," but I think that concept may represent the essence of what he means. If so, I'm sorry to say that Wilson's current path to commensurability will likely prove a dead end. An approach that gives stories a central "gene-like status" sounds to me like an approach that just pushed the story tellers off the stage.
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David Sloan Wilson
11:11 PM on 08/18/2009
I have very little time for discussion, but what exactly are you objecting to here? Stories are like genes when they influence behavior, when useful stories accumulate and useless stories pass out of existence. They are still created and transmitted by story tellers and a lot of intentionality and creativity can go into their construction. Thus, story tellers can have lots of agency and stories can still be like genes.Is that more acceptable to you, or is there another problem that I'm not seeing?
d.
09:45 AM on 08/18/2009
Here's an article that I think is very relevant to this conversation. Rats under stress are more likely to repeat habitual patterns. "Brain Is a Co-Conspirator in a Vicious Stress Loop " http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/science/18angier.html?ref=science
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David Sloan Wilson
10:36 AM on 08/18/2009
Thanks for bringing this to my attention! I have just featured it as a news item on the Evolution institute website: http://theevolutioninstitute.org/.
09:27 AM on 08/19/2009
See also the comments by John Lehrer( at http://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2009/08/the_stress_spiral.php ) who concludes, "The larger point of this research, of course, is that it's imperative to seek medical help for serious cases of depression. It's hard to escape a downward spiral by yourself." Tendency is not destiny.
07:41 PM on 08/17/2009
We live in a symbolic environment as well as a material one. If we want to understand how to overcome the urge to war, yes, we can certainly learn a lot by paying attention to chimps and our other cousins in the animal kingdom, and how they react to material stress. By the same token, we are obliged to study the history of our ancestor civilizations. Humans have sought to overcome this urge before. And some made great progress under horribly dire circumstances. Please don't overlook the legacy of their insights. I highly recommend Karen Armstrong's book, "The Great Transformation."

You might find it more productive to turn the question around and consider our evolved capacity to build increasingly broad and durable alliances. Along those lines, I've written an academic paper intended to raise a discussion about how members of our species, fortified with a modern understanding of evolution, can find better ways to articulate sets of common interests. It's at http://www.rkey.com/essays/Simon_DCI_02.pdf .
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09:42 PM on 08/17/2009
I tried to make this point myself in the second scenario of my previous blog, in which cultures can vary in their capacity for war based on their previous cultural evolutionary history. Part of going beyond square one involves recognizing that there is more to evolution than genetic evolution and that evolution is required to understand the nature of cultural change.
d.
10:37 PM on 08/17/2009
Check back in time and see how many predicted that we would have evolved into a world society that controls (or thinks it's controlling) the disastrous effects of large wars by cooperatively engaging in a continues series of relatively small wars as not only preventive measures but also as preemptive world policing.
05:06 PM on 08/17/2009
I can't really take credit, or perhaps discredit, for the phrase defining postmodernism, as it was meant to be a sardonic reference to a previous poster's rhetorical flourish.
12:10 AM on 08/18/2009
Royniles, for the record I chose those words carefully and FWIW not in the spirit of a rhetorical flourish. After ploughing through a semesters worth of postmodernist gender studies readings in Japanese and English a couple of years ago (and the Japanese were by far the more lucidly written btw), the struggle seemed barely worth the fragmentary insights obtained. After subsequently coming across Dr Wilson's work and, via that, Richerson & Boyd, Peter Turchin, Jospeh Henrich, Jonathan Gottshcall, and Brian Boyd's among others, the synthetic power and depth of the evolutionary framework for understanding humanity, past and present, blew me away. Hence the choice of the words "profound", "liberating" and "enriching".

Dr Wilson, thank you for the link to the Evos workshop on early childhood education. I'm having another of those epiphany kind of moments reading Peter Gray's work on play as a foundation in hunter gatherer social life and the connection to the functioning of social games among humans generally. I'm taking a unit in Indigenous education at the moment and this has just fallen into my lap at the very right time. I'd begun to feel pretty depressed about some of the most intractable problems in education till now, especially the need to reconcile an education system built on middle class cultural values and way of life with the needs of children from other cultural and socioeconomic backgrounds. Thank you again!
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David Sloan Wilson
10:41 AM on 08/18/2009
I'm delighted that you found the childhood education workshop and even more that you found it useful. The Evolution Institute has enormous potential to put these ideas, that strike as so profound intellectually, to practical use. Peter Gray is a gem and will be helping us to implement the recommendations of the workshop.
04:50 PM on 08/18/2009
"Synthetic power and depth," if not rhetorical, would seem to be the antithesis to profundity.