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Does President Obama Want to Cut Social Security by 3 Percent?

Posted: 09/17/2012 4:01 pm

That is a pretty simple and important question. Unfortunately most voters are likely to go to the polls this fall without knowing the answer.

If the backdrop to this question is not immediately clear, then you should be very angry at the reporters who cover the campaign. One of the items that continuously comes up in reference to the budget deficit is President Obama's support for the plan put forward by the co-chairs of his deficit commission, Morgan Stanley director Erskine Bowles and former Senator Alan Simpson. On numerous occasions President Obama has indicated his support for this plan.

One of the items in the Bowles-Simpson plan is a reduction in the annual cost-of-living adjustment of roughly 0.3 percentage points. This would be accomplished by using a different index that, by design, would show a lower measured rate of inflation. It is important to recognize that this is an annual cut that would accumulate over time. After a retiree has been receiving benefits for 10 years the cut would be 3.0 percent, after 20 years it would be 6 percent. If a typical retiree lives long enough to get benefits for 20 years the average benefit cut over their years of retirement would be 3 percent.

This is the most immediate cut to Social Security in the Bowles-Simpson plan but not the only one. The plan also would gradually raise the age at which retirees receive full benefits to 69. It also phases in a reduction in benefits for workers whose earnings averaged more than $40,000 a year over their working lifetime.

When President Obama indicates his support for the Bowles-Simpson plan, he is indicating his support for all of these measures. Of course he is not required to accept the plan in its entirety, but if he does oppose the cuts that the plan imposes on Social Security it would be reasonable to expect him to state this explicitly.

In principle this would be exactly the sort of issue where we would expect reporters to be grilling President Obama and his staff. After all, while President Obama has been proclaiming his support for the Bowles-Simpson plan, his vice-president has been assuring the public that Social Security will not be touched in a second Obama administration.

Last month in Virginia, Joe Biden said in the strongest possible terms that there will be no cuts to Social Security in a second Obama administration. He repeated the statement with the additional line that "I guarantee it." This would seem to be a pretty clear contradiction with President Obama's support for Bowles-Simpson.

The media should be trying to resolve this contradiction. Then voters could go to the polls knowing whether they are voting for someone who wants to follow Bowles-Simpson and cut Social Security benefits or alternatively would pick up the gauntlet thrown down by Vice President Biden and be a rock-solid defender of the program.

One of the reasons that the media may be neglecting its responsibilities in this situation is that many of them favor the cuts laid out in the Bowles-Simpson plan. They don't want to put the Obama administration on the spot because they know that Social Security is hugely popular across the political spectrum. If President Obama were forced to commit himself on whether he supported cuts to Social Security before the election he would almost certainly say "no," since openly supporting cuts could lose him millions of votes.

This sort of attitude was reflected in a recent Washington Post editorial that endorsed the 3 percent cut in Social Security benefits by describing it as a "tweak" to the inflation index rather than a cut in benefits. But it is not the job of the media to conceal the meaning of policy changes so as to better advance an agenda.

Last week many reporters prided themselves on forcefully asking President Obama's surrogates a question handed to them by the Romney campaign: "Are the American people better off today than they were four years ago?"

That made for a great clown show, since the economy was in a state of collapse when President Obama took office four years ago. How is someone supposed to answer a question like that?

Reporters have a chance to do their job and ask President Obama and his spokespeople a real question whose answer will have real meaning to tens of millions voters: "Do you support the Bowles-Simpson cuts to Social Security?"

No one should have to go the polls this fall not knowing whether or not President Obama wants to cut Social Security. If reporters were treated like school teachers, and tens of millions of voters go to the polls not knowing the answer to this question, then they would all be fired. But in a country where "double standard" is increasingly the national motto, we shouldn't expect incompetent reporters to be held accountable for the quality of their work.

 

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That is a pretty simple and important question. Unfortunately most voters are likely to go to the polls this fall without knowing the answer. If the backdrop to this question is not immediately clear...
That is a pretty simple and important question. Unfortunately most voters are likely to go to the polls this fall without knowing the answer. If the backdrop to this question is not immediately clear...
 
 
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10:53 AM on 09/19/2012
Once again , I find myself appreciating the clear mind of Arnold Greenberg for encouraging people to find out correct answers to questions, rather that asume that they know the answer! Mr. Greenberg has beenn shaping young minds since I was a student at a school he helped found, and before!
07:00 AM on 09/19/2012
I agree the question should be asked in the clearest terms and asked again and again until it's answered by Obama.

But, really, presidents say one thing and then do precisely the opposite with zero accountability. Happens again and again.
11:27 PM on 09/18/2012
OMG, THERE WILL NOT BE A SINGLE PENNY CUT FROM BENEFITS!

What the heck is wrong that people cannot look this up! Obama does not support Simpson Bowles and while we're at it, VOTERS WILL GO INTO THIS ELECTION NOT KNOWING IF THEY CAN VOTE BECAUSE REPUBLICANS STOLE THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO DO SO!

SAVE THE DEMOCRAT'S SS/MEDICARE PROGRAM, SAVE OUR SENIORS THAT DEMOCRATS HAVE KEPT ALIVE AND LIFTED OUT OF POVERTY GENERATION AFTER GENERATION, VOTE OBAMA 2012!
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General Washington
In the future, I return as Geddy Lee
05:12 AM on 09/19/2012
A word of advice:

Go read the transcript of Obama's acceptance speech at the Democratic Convention, either as prepared or read.

Then come back here and state so confidently that "Obama does not support Simpson Bowles"...
07:02 PM on 09/18/2012
When all is said and done, Obama needs to be asked the question posed here. Do you support the Bowles-Simpson cuts to Social Security? And I hope Mr. Lehrer asks him that question and see what his answer will be.
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meoshi
A Member of We, the People
09:08 PM on 09/18/2012
If the debate moderators do their jobs, we should be able to completely tell the difference between both candidates for president. There should be no "gray"areas " nor should there be any softball questions.
05:45 PM on 09/18/2012
You have to look at it this way, is a 3% cut over 20 years better than a a complete elimination, or a voucher system? It's no secret that the Republicans want to dismantle government and keep only what benefits them - the military and tax loopholes. Frankly the choice is pretty clear, one party believes in pooling our resources, the other believes solely in individuals fighting for themselves. Cavemen used to go out and fight for themselves, no thanks.
07:47 PM on 09/18/2012
Actually cavemen did not go it alone, our ancestors lived communally and hunted and gathered
together sharing the benefits. I doubt that the human race would have survived without mutual
cooperation and community.
10:38 AM on 09/19/2012
Mutual cooperation and community is exactly right. However cavemen rarely shared outside their own tribe (eventually evolution kicked in and they saw the light), and even inside their own tribe there was a pecking order.
05:22 PM on 09/18/2012
SS/Medicare are Dem programs that Republicans have been trying to gut since their inception!

If Republicans are screaming KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF MY MEDICARE, why are they voting for Republicans who give them nothing and want to give them even less???

Save yourselves, save the country VOTE OBAMA 2012!
07:50 PM on 09/18/2012
If you want to understand the psychology behind your question read the book "Conservatives
Without Conscience", it offers some interesting ideas about peoples willingness to blindly follow
even when it goes against their own interests.
11:59 PM on 09/18/2012
Talk about going against their own best interests, my other sister is a jehovah witness so I know that Conservatives have no conscience! Hahahaha!
04:56 PM on 09/18/2012
The ONLY ones talking about cutting SS/Medicare are Republicans!

That 2.7 trillion in the SS fund is about the only funds the GOP hasn't gotten their hands on and they're determined to empty that account just like they emptied the Fed over 8 years and bailed out their foreign banking pals and friends with 29 trillion dollars of taxpayer money!

SAVE THE COUNTRY & SAVE YOURSELVES, VOTE OBAMA 2012!
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meoshi
A Member of We, the People
09:26 PM on 09/18/2012
I agree.........4 More Years for President Obama...........I have heard recently on the Thom Hartmann show some radio tapes of the late, great former President Roosevelt, where he discusses how the Republicans were trying to stop Social Security from being implemented. So we see, "the more things change, the more they stay the same.".
11:46 PM on 09/18/2012
I would love to hear the tea-people explain why they LOVE SS/Medicare DEM programs but vote for Republicans who want to obliterate them!  I don't get it!
I really wish Obama would do some kind of fireside chat.  I think it would have gone a loooong way the last 4 years and even the last 2.  I've been reading up on the Depression and found Republicans used the same failed policies from 2000 - 2008 as they did from 1922 - 1929!  Tax cuts for the rich in 1922/24/26 and 28 let to the crash in 1929 and they had 3 years to repair the damage but they were incompetent at governing and incapable of running a lemonade stand back then too!
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Josh Crawford
Just the facts, man!
04:25 PM on 09/18/2012
The solution is simple, obvious and has been know for literally YEARS: lift the cap on income subject to the Social Security payroll tax. Right now income earners ONLY pay SS taxes on the first $110,000 of their income. Every dollar above that amount is NOT subject to the SS payroll tax.
Problem solved.
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skylark
Tangled up in blue..
04:59 PM on 09/18/2012
Agree, but they need to adjust the payout to these high earners at the same time.
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Josh Crawford
Just the facts, man!
02:57 AM on 09/19/2012
Are you talking about "means testing"? That should/would not be necessary with the cap completely removed. Besides, "means testing" is just another back door way of degrading the program. If anything, we should increase the eligibility age (currently 67 which was raised from 65 over twenty-something years as part of the Reagan era Social Security reform act) to 69. But even that shouldn't be necessary if we lift the cap completely....
05:31 PM on 09/18/2012
I would be happy to pay more if I received more as a result.
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Josh Crawford
Just the facts, man!
02:59 AM on 09/19/2012
If you make more than $110,000 per year, then you probably would not like my proposal as you would pay more for probably about the same benefits (with some leeway). But it wouldn't require "means testing" or other mechanisms that would "back door" you. It would be up front and honest....
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Josh Crawford
Just the facts, man!
03:34 PM on 09/19/2012
I don't think you actually understand how SS ALREADY works!! The system you say you are against IS ALREADY IN PLACE!

"Retirement planning involves sacrificing a portion of what we earn today and investing that money in the hope that one day we'll have enough assets from which we can draw an income. But the Social Security and Medicare systems operate differently, taking a portion of earnings from today's workers to pay for the needs of today's retirees.

Just how much do we pay out in Social Security and Medicare taxes over a lifetime, compared to how much we receive in benefits? The answer depends on several variables, including gender, earnings, household configuration, the age at which we retire and our health. But generally, we receive far more in benefits than we pay into the system, according to new figures released by the Urban Institute.
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No matter how much you pay into the system, whether you earn the average wage over a lifetime ($43,100 in 2010 dollars) or if you're in a two-income household where one earns a high wage and the other earns an average wage, you get back substantially more than you pay in."

http://www.bankrate.com/financing/retirement/social-security-benefits-vs-taxes/
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Jo Lee
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right...
03:41 PM on 09/18/2012
Ok - I'm quite honestly befuddled by this article and I need some help. Perhaps I'm just dense and it's crystal clear for the rest of your audience.

One - You say the 3% cut will affect the annual COLA. This is not the same as the total annual benefit dollar amount. So how does this add up to what looks like a 3% cut in a Social Security check of $1000? If the cost of living increase next year is two percent, then that COLA 2% amount is cut by 3%. You get less of a raise. But you still get the $1000. The article makes it seem as if the base $1000 is being cut by 3%. $1000 - ($1000 x .03) = $970.
What gets cut? The COLA or the annual benefit AMOUNT?? Please clarify.

Two - The headline says "3 Percent". That's 0.03. Three cents on the dollar. A sentence in the article states "...a reduction in the annual cost-of-living adjustment of roughly 0.3 percentage points." Is it 3 percent (0.03) or 3 tenths of one percent? Now I've confused myself.

I'll just post this before my head explodes.
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jeffrey678
You don't happen to make it. You make it happen.
03:39 PM on 09/18/2012
Obama is preparing for a Corporate tax cut. He wants to pay for it by reducing Social Security payouts. Over the last five decades, we have generally cut income and corporate tax rates, and increased FICA rates. These have roughly cancelled . The cancellations prevent any large change being observed in our net tax income.
04:54 PM on 09/18/2012
That is simply not the truth and you know it!

NO Dem would ever cut SS/Medicare! Only Republicans want to toss seniors, the sick, the disabled and kids on the street so they can raid that 2.7 trillion dollars in the fund!

Only Republicans have said Obama will cut these programs trying to scare seniors, but frankly the ONLY ones that have proposed it are Republicans!
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jeffrey678
You don't happen to make it. You make it happen.
06:04 PM on 09/18/2012
Obama had "endorsed … means-testing benefits [which would take a person's income into account when distributing benefits] and reducing the growth of future Social Security payments" as part of his $650 billion in spending cuts. A White House spokeswoman confirmed to us that those were the specific measures Obama has proposed.

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/07/factchecking-dueling-debt-speeches/
03:33 PM on 09/18/2012
The question asked is fair and should be answered by the Obama campaign. However, a huge part of the context of this very valid question for Mr. Obama is the comparison to Republican / Romney / Ryan positions on SSI and the relative size of the damage to be done by their respective programs. I feel Mr. Baker should have included that context. This one-sided approach reminds me of the "Swift Boating" of Mr. Kerry, which came from yellow-line Republicans whose records were never challenged even though most had never come close to the combat Mr. Kerry experienced at least briefly.

In fairness to Mr. Baker, he did achieve some balance with the small reference to the disaster Mr. Bush left to America.
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ftkl1234
03:32 PM on 09/18/2012
Is there any real consideration of capping benefit payouts at a certain amount ? Absolutely rich folks don't need more money !! Soc Sec is not intended to augment wealth but to help elders and those who need help, not the already-rich, right?
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skylark
Tangled up in blue..
04:04 PM on 09/18/2012
They maybe could do that in conjunction with raising the earnings cap. But there are NOT that many rich seniors, even though you may not want to admit that.
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Ranveig Elvebakk
Innovator, author and lecturer on weight and nutri
03:26 PM on 09/18/2012
It is only that we ran out of money some time ago. Have you ever looked at a pie chart of our GNP? You should. If we wish to preserve one big one, we need to lower the other. We don't bring age on ourselves, but to be sure: We do bring bad health on ourselves. And, as President Clinton said, it is arithmetic that our chronic illness shopping spree does not add up.
If we used our house or auto insurance the way we use health insurance, we would get a warning letter from our insurance provider. It is simply unsustainable, and we have to comprehend that it is better to get on the stick and stop making ourselves ill and start healing ourselves. This consumer cooperation is the only thing that will bend the curve to silence the calls for cuts.
Do I have a volunteer??
03:23 PM on 09/18/2012
In all the noise, girls and women, don't forget that Republicans are planning to make us SECOND CLASS citizens. They plan on dominating our health care and not let us make our own decisions----
Mr. Issa's committee hearing on women's health wouldn't even let a woman speak.

Those of us on Social Security paid our FICA taxes out of every pay check and those people expect to steal that money from us.

Since he won't show his income tax records, how do we know he paid his taxes?
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meoshi
A Member of We, the People
09:33 PM on 09/18/2012
Betty, thank you for mentioning we paid our FICA taxes to get Social Security and also paid our Medicare Taxes to get Medicare. When they say "entitlements," I get perturbed, because we have earned those benefits, hence the phrase, "Earned Benefits."
03:09 PM on 09/18/2012
The third paragraph in the article refers almost certainly to what was being called "chained CPI" about a year ago. We haven't been hearing that term lately. I was afraid this was going to happen - it was going to be snuck back in without all the hoopla. Chained CPI is a way of recalculating the cost of living index to reflect the less expensive choices people are actually making (hamburger instead of steak, for example) because they have less money nowadays.....DUH!!! If they implement it, it is the beginning of a downward spiral or a self-fulfilling prophecy, whatever you want to call it. The poorer you are, the more severely poor you are going to become! As mentioned, it starts out very small and innocuous, but will function like compound interest in reverse. The gap what you get in future years figured this way compared to figured the old way will become wider and wider, just as the wealth inequality gap is getting wider and wider.