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The S&P Downgrade Market Plunge Myth

Posted: 08/15/11 03:01 PM ET

The Wall Street crew that wants to cut your Social Security and Medicare benefits are sensing that victory is in sight. They have managed to knock jobs completely off the agenda and have made deficit reduction the near exclusive focus of economic policy in Washington. They are now setting the stage to have the Congressional "super-committee" produce a deal that will mean large cuts in both programs.

The backdrop for these cuts is that the country is in crisis and that we have no choice. A central part of this story is that the stock market crashed last week in response to the Standard and Poor's downgrade of U.S. government debt. The Wall Street crew and their allies in the media and Congress will tell the country that if we don't have the cuts in Social Security and Medicare demanded by S&P then we run the risk of further downgrades. This raises the prospect of further market panics and the complete wreckage of the economy.

This story has as much credibility as John Edwards' tales of marital bliss during his presidential campaign. First, every informed investor knows S&P's sterling track record of missing everything in sight. It gave top investment grade ratings to hundreds of billions of dollars of subprime mortgage-backed securities, to Lehman until its bankruptcy, to AIG until its collapse, to Enron until just before its collapse. They know about its $2 trillion arithmetic error in assessing U.S. indebtedness.

They also know that S&P, like the other credit rating companies, is very concerned about the final wording of rules that are being written as part of the Dodd-Frank financial reform bill. That is why it is far more likely that the downgrade was done with the hope of currying favor from powerful political figures than out of the belief that the government will be unable to pay its debt.

This is why the markets completely laughed off the S&P downgrade. Yes, the markets completely laughed off the S&P downgrade. Let's say that a third time just so that even a Washington Post editor can understand it: the markets laughed off the S&P downgrade.

The S&P downgrade was supposed to mean that it is now more likely that the U.S. government will not be able to pay its debt than previously believed. If the markets took this warning seriously then they would attach a higher risk premium to U.S. government bonds. That would mean that bonds would fall in price and the interest rate on government debt would rise.

But the exact opposite happened. U.S. government bonds soared in price. The interest rate on Treasury bonds plummeted to less than 2.2 percent, near-record lows. In other words, investors voted with money as loudly as possible that they view U.S. government debt as a very safe asset and that the S&P crew doesn't have a clue.

There is an obvious alternative explanation for the stock market plunge which also explains the flight to government debt. The euro zone's debt crisis spread from relatively small countries like Greece and Ireland to the euro zone giants, Spain and Italy. If these countries defaulted on their debt it would almost certainly lead to the collapse of several major European banks.

This in turn could lead to the sort of financial freeze-up that we saw after the collapse of Lehman in the fall of 2008. This would mean another economic free-fall with the economy shedding millions of jobs as normal financial flows were blocked.

The euro zone collapse scenario is genuinely frightening and can easily explain why the markets would be panicked. But the moral of the euro collapse story is to get competent people running the European Central Bank who can prevent this sort of crisis. Cutting Social Security and Medicare will not save the euro.

However the Wall Street crew knows that most people do not follow the economy and finances closely. So they just made up a bogus story with the hope that the country would buy it. Thus far they have already gotten politicians and reporters to push their line that the debt downgrade led to the stock market plunge.

Needless to say, those pushing for cuts in Social Security and Medicare will freely use the story of the downgrade market plunge to advance their agenda without fear of ridicule from the media. As a result, we can expect a continual parade of public figures saying that we need big cuts in these programs in order to prevent another market crash and economic collapse.

If these programs are to be protected, it is essential that the public provide the missing ridicule. Any politician who has so little understanding of financial markets and the economy to blame the stock market plunge on the downgrade should not be involved in designing economic policy. Any reporter or columnist who makes such a connection should be in a different line of work.

People who understand economics know that Social Security and Medicare have nothing to do with the country's economic problems. Unfortunately such people have been virtually excluded from the national economic debate by the people with money who want to undermine these programs.

 

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The Wall Street crew that wants to cut your Social Security and Medicare benefits are sensing that victory is in sight. They have managed to knock jobs completely off the agenda and have made deficit ...
The Wall Street crew that wants to cut your Social Security and Medicare benefits are sensing that victory is in sight. They have managed to knock jobs completely off the agenda and have made deficit ...
 
 
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Dandy12
Moderate, Progressive fiscal conservative.
01:28 PM on 08/16/2011
They have seemed to make all "entitlements" a dirty word. Look at who has bore the brunt of this recession. To make the middle class suffer further, and remove the social safety nets is the wrong way to go. The United States is becoming a corporate machine or tool.
11:56 AM on 08/16/2011
The market did not fall because of the down grade the market fell because the world economy lost faith in the abilirty of the US congress and senate to manage our money . The meaningless battle over the debt ceiling increase by gopt/p cause the drop very simple
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11:02 AM on 08/16/2011
Wall Street views ALL money as THEIR money. That's why they can't stand SS and Medicare, programs where money goes to people.
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11:54 AM on 08/16/2011
Govt views all money as "Their" money, which is why their solution is alway "tax more" not spend less.
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Proud Progressive
danger may be real, but fear is a choice.
04:05 PM on 08/16/2011
Mindless babbling, and so very untrue.
Low taxes and excesive spending on war got us here, why is it that 'entitlement' spending cuts are the only thing that Teapublicans espouse. If they had a real interest in helping the country pull itself back to 2000, when we had a balanced budget, then everything would be on the table.
11:00 AM on 08/16/2011
Thank You Dean!

We need responsible journalism that's goal is to search for the truth and not to pander to specific ideologies. Truth is SS and Medicare are funded by their own set of taxes and are not contributing to the national debt. In fact money from the Social Security fund has been taken to pay for things like defense spending. So in fact SS money has decreased our deficit.

The reason we have had a rise in entitlement spending is because we are in the middle of a huge recession with levels on unemployment not seen since the great depression. Of course we are going to be spending more on programs that help the unemployed and underemployed.

We do need to do away with medicare however and go to a single payer system. For profit health care is not a way any world leading country should be run, and with the health care lobbyists convincing politicians that they may not allow medicare to negotiate prices the cost of the system is skyrocketing.
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10:58 AM on 08/16/2011
If the downgrade was a myth, because America could print all the money it needed to in order to satisfy our obligations, THEN, why did the Dems and the President keep saying that a failure to raise the debt ceiling would lead to the US default on her obligations??

Just who is the mythmaker in this scenario?
ThatsTheTheWayItIs
religion, ideology, partisanship are delusional
10:40 AM on 08/16/2011
Social Security and Medicare are not related, please don't refer to them as a package.

SS is older than most of us, Medicare is younger than I am, seniors weren't dying in the streets.
SS goes to us seniors, Medicare goes to the medical industry, we don't get Medicare checks.
SS is solvent, Medicare is not. Because the US medical industry is overpriced and overused.

End Medicare, give seniors more SS instead. Let us decide whether to spend it on food and shelter, things that improve our health, rather than useless drugs, tests and procedures. You may disagree, but it's our lives, our health, our money. Don't patronize us, we're old, not senile yet :-)

End Medicare Part D, that massive giveaway to US drug dealers. Ban drug ads from TV.
10:52 AM on 08/16/2011
Nobody - anywhere - addresses the actual cost (profitability) of healthcare - - or the fraud & waste by inept, incompetent gov't management of either SS or Medicare. If you are a senior citizen, check your EOB statements for charges - - The charge for a $50 need shows at $500 - reduced to $100 - and the balance of the $500 charge is written off by the provider for tax purposes ? ? ? ? ?
No questions asked by anybody - -
ThatsTheTheWayItIs
religion, ideology, partisanship are delusional
12:34 PM on 08/16/2011
Not true, Obama administration is addressing it. Why do you think the Tea Party carry "Hands of My Medicare" signs? Because it is their Medicare, they being the rich, corporations. They're afraid of Obama, and should be. From this year, surprised you missed this, though HuffPost ignored it:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/556935-Feds-arrest-111-for-Medicare-fraud-in-Florida-and-other-states

Ten people with Tampa Bay area ties were among the more than 100 doctors, nurses, physical therapists and others charged today with Medicare fraud, part of a massive nationwide bust that officials said snared more suspects than any other in history.

More than 700 law enforcement agents fanned out to arrest 111 people accused of illegally billing Medicare and other government programs for more than $225 million, federal officials said. It is the latest in a string of crackdowns in the past two years [since Obama became President] as authorities struggle to pare fraud believed to cost taxpayers up to $90 billion annually.
10:37 AM on 08/16/2011
To say that social security is a major problem is a big lie and we must not forget that the corrupt politicians have been stealing from SS for decades but you never hear this explained on the corporate media. The corporate rulers of America are getting too greedy and unfortunately it is only a very small minority in congress that are willing to fight back against them.
10:32 AM on 08/16/2011
The Wall Street crew. Who is this, specifically? Some loose, tacitly-working-together band of greedy hobbits irrationally conspiring to screw everyone? Man that is a very neat narrative and sounds really good to the ear. Or, perhaps the market had already anticipated the downgrade (did the market not just free fall?)? Or that the risk premium of the lower credit rating is just one of several factors that determines interest rates? Good grief, it's hard to know where to start.
10:55 AM on 08/16/2011
"Wall Street" is managed and manipulated ! ! ! ! Media says that entity is "feeling" or "sensing" and 'reacting" - - - it's a business - - - managed & manipulated for benefit & profit using somebody else's money ! ! !
11:02 AM on 08/16/2011
sounds about right, remember that a few years ago when one person who typed in the wrong number for a sell caused the market to drop around 2000 points? There are people out there with enough influence that can make the market drop or rise at will.
01:47 PM on 08/17/2011
For like 5 minutes. And then they get trashed if it's not based on sound judgment and analysis. You have no idea how the market works.
10:15 AM on 08/16/2011
Although I agree that the deficit reduction "crisis" is manufactured by those with a political ideology, I don't buy the author's premise that the stock market plunge was unrelated to the S&P downgrade. The markets, both domestic and internationally, were weak and stumbling already, but it is too much of a coincidence to think that the massive slide in the DOW, S&P 500, and NASDAQ just sort of coincidentally happened right after the S&P downgrade. It was a catalyst to an already sick situation. Maybe there will be a recovery, but ask anyone who has retirement funds invested in the market if she or he does not feel like they have a loss right now and if it was not triggered by the S&P downgrade.
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laurieanichols
je pense donc, je suis
10:06 AM on 08/16/2011
How do we fight all this complete misconception of what constitutes the source of our economic problems when it seems that historical data from the depression doesn't matter, the horrendous economic legacy of the Bush years doesn't matter, and the economic facts coming out of Europe's failed austerity programs don't matter either. What are we to do? You attempt to have a rational discourse with these people and show them empirical data and they come back with the same nonsensical arguments, social security is bankrupt, taxes are costing us jobs, regulations are costing us jobs, unions are job killers, privatize everything and finally government is the problem.What really gets me is that the GOP policies pushed us into becoming a consumer spending driven society or at least 70% driven, and then when the economy implodes and those consumers do the responsible thing and start paying down their debt instead of doing their previous job and spend to keep the economy rolling, the GOP is left with their pants down because they don't know what to do now that the only source of spending to fuel the economy is broke. This is what has happened and is happening and by starving the beast they are actually killing the beast.
10:58 AM on 08/16/2011
Politicians (all) are for sale - - and party politics is as stupid as racism and tribalism - and certainly no more beneficial
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montemalone
oenophile, aquarist, francophone, radical moderate
09:59 AM on 08/16/2011
The market "selloff" was an engineered profit making machine. The market is now above the point at which the turmoil began.
The big boys have learned how to scare the average investor, and they did it well. Cause a run, drive prices down. Next day, buy cheap, sell high. Repeat as necessary.
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Joel F Rodriguez
05:47 PM on 08/16/2011
There was at least one day trader, who claimed close ties to the trading floor, that claimed the selloff was occurring because the stock brokers didn't like Obama. Who do these guys work for anyway? I am sure that those that lost money are not too happy that a bunch of brokers are trying to make a politic statement at our expense.
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zogimperator
is this microbiology?
09:45 AM on 08/16/2011
It's already against the law to be homeless in this country, Soon it will be against the law to retire or get ill.
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Juiceman1982
Don't hate me because I'm right
09:27 AM on 08/16/2011
I find it very amusing that there are pictures with the captions "markets sell off on S&P downgrade" and "world markets tumble on US downgrade" immediately above the comments box! Nevertheless, I do agree with the author here up to a point. Markets also react emotionally and it was this fear caused by the S&P downgrade that also contributed to the selloff.
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shaunmarie
Proud Member of the 47%
08:54 AM on 08/16/2011
Thanks - because I was truly wondering why the ratings downgrade led to reduced, rather than increased interest rates.

(If my lenders are worried about my debt, my interest rate goes up, not down.)
ThatsTheTheWayItIs
religion, ideology, partisanship are delusional
10:51 AM on 08/16/2011
Interest rates are low because there is a recession, low economic growth, and people think it will stay that way for a long time. It's a lack of confidence in the US economy, more than trust in our government.  I'd worry more about that than your payments going up. Interest rates stayed low during the Depression too.
08:54 AM on 08/16/2011
My opinion is the market fell due to the debt ceiling resolution being all spending cuts. Actually they are reductions in the rate of future increase in spending? No revenue signaled there would be no real help forthcoming. Market dropped 400 points. Then S&P downgraded and the market dropped 500 points. The horse was the debt ceiling, the carriage was S&P, the guy walking behind, scooping poop, was us, the 98%.
ThatsTheTheWayItIs
religion, ideology, partisanship are delusional
10:54 AM on 08/16/2011
No, it fell because those spending cuts were small. S&P wanted bigger cut in the deficit, but saw we couldn't do it because Repubs refused to raise revenue. That caused the downgrade.

I've held corporate bonds, including unfortunately Worldcom :-( Suppose a company is losing money, but refuses to raise revenue or prices. That company is bound to fail, doesn't deserve AAA rating. No different for US.
12:57 PM on 08/16/2011
That's what I said.