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French Parents: Vive La Difference?

Posted: 01/24/2012 6:23 am

Sixteen years ago, when my first child was born in Paris, I baby-proofed our apartment with rubber edge liners, covers on electrical sockets, latches on windows, locks on drawers and toilet seat guards. The parts of our living room that weren't bound and shackled were filled with happy, fluorescent kiddie toys. My French neighbor Genevieve took one look at our place and said: "Your apartment looks like a psych ward." This was one of several lessons I'd learn about how the French parent differently from us.

Much has been written on the subject, including by yours truly. For centuries we Anglo-Saxons have been preoccupied with how the French seem to do things better or differently from us, including why they don't get fat (even though, of course, they do). Almost a decade ago, after living in Paris and observing French mothers, journalist Judith Warner returned to America, took note of the parenting landscape in her homeland, and wrote "Perfect Madness: Motherhood in the Age of Anxiety." The title says it all.

Now author and French expatriate Pamela Druckerman brings us her soon-to-be-published "Bringing Up Bebe," a book exclusively dedicated to this comparative parenting turf. Druckerman, 41, has three kids that she's been raising in Paris. On the origins of her book, she told the Daily Mail in a recent profile: "My French friends didn't have to hurriedly end phone calls because their kids were shouting for something...They were, overall, just more relaxed. It was a cumulative effect, which lead to a 'hang on, maybe they're onto something,' So I decided to look into it."

What Druckerman found -- and what most expatriates discover -- is that where childhood trumps adulthood in the States, the opposite is largely true in France. Kids are not king in France -- and if you treat them as such, they quickly become tyrants with a sense of entitlement that sticks around well into adulthood. Though they love their kids passionately like everyone else, the French generally don't subvert their identities to the lives of their children.

Boundaries, in other words, are good, particularly in protecting the sanctity of parents' private life. (No, Marie-Louise, you may not sleep in mommy and daddy's bed. And yes, Jean-Pierre, you must sit at the table every night for family dinner and eat correctly.) Kids are essentially expected to adapt to the grown-up world and not the other way around.

And most impressive, perhaps, as Druckerman discovered, "French women certainly don't suffer the same guilt about everything." No, they certainly don't. Guilt seems to be the American mother's evil stepsister.

Somehow in the last decade or so, trophy wives were replaced with trophy kids in the States, parenting became a verb, and an already sizeable how-to industry catering to fretful parents became colossal. (Amy Chua's "Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother" is the latest manifesto to sand-blast fear and doubt into every parent's heart.) Meanwhile, the French kept doing what they'd done for centuries, parenting with an iron fist in a velvet glove without forsaking pleasure in life. As Druckerman notes:

"While I kind of assumed that when I had a baby, my marriage and my body was going to suffer, and I wouldn't have any time for myself, the French just don't assume that. They don't have any illusions, but won't subjugate themselves entirely to the will of the child."
It certainly helps that the French government actually underwrites family values rather than paying lip service to them. French parents enjoy an infrastructure of social benefits that we can only dream of, including four to six weeks of paid vacation and excellent free education that starts with nursery schools and extends all the way to universities. Though the French and their system are far from perfect, when it comes to parenting their culture by and large nurtures common sense and autonomy.

On that latter point, Druckerman states:

"The French are absolutely not draconian about their own rules. They actually believe that children are more capable, in some ways, and believe in their autonomy. They just give a clear framework in which they can learn and see it's a process -- you don't suddenly arrive at being a brilliant parent."
Being a brilliant parent and a whole person, for ourselves and our children, is what we all aspire to. On that note, Druckerman's words recall the time many moons ago in Paris when I refused to let my son go to England on a three-day field trip with his bilingual pre-school class. The school director looked at me warily and said, "Madame, holding onto your child is not good for cultivating an independent spirit." Then she smiled (a bit smugly, I might add) and said, "We only have this problem with Anglo-Saxon mothers."

The French kids later traveled across the English channel and the American kids stayed home. Meanwhile, French mothers enjoyed three days alone with their spouses. The Anglo-Saxon moms, on the other hand, lugged their gear and sand toys to a rainy park where they sat on wet asphalt and cheered everyone on with "Good job!," then went home exhausted and fell asleep with the kids.

Had I known then what I know now, I probably would have let my son cross that English Channel.

 
 
 
 
 
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Christophe
11:35 AM on 02/18/2012
After they've been observing our kids' behavior at our local public Californian elementary school and outside, many mothers of various cultural background are now asking my (French) wife for advice on parenting. Here are a few simple things we believe in and do (nothing fancy): Our kids are not gods. We (parents) rules the house. What we do in front of them in more important than what what we tell them to do. We observe our own rules. We don't feel obligated to entertain them at all times. They have access to a lot of stimulating activities as long as they keep a balance between school work and play. We don't hire other people to take care of them. The time we spend with them is more important. We love them, listen to them and lead them every day.
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Dahveed1
I have Flying Monkeys...
12:55 AM on 02/18/2012
Yup, your first bullet point sums it up. Just because they have kids doesn't mean they stop being adults. They don't turn home into a day care center, they don't schedule their lives around the kids, the kids schedule their lives around the parents. Some people here let their kids run amok and it shows. But do not fear, this generation we've raised that will soon be reaching child bearing age are so self centered, they won't let their kids run their lives like their parent let them.
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11:31 AM on 02/09/2012
Well. It is clear that Druckerman only looked at a certain socio-economic class of parents, i.e., the class that many female expats marry into in France. Had she done a serious study, and included other French couples, such as those who live in the 93 (which has the highest rate of criminal delinquancy in the Paris area), she would have seen a much-different parenting methodology. But that wouldn't sell a mainstream book such as this, nor play into the Everything is Better in France Fantasy that films such as "Midnight in Paris" portray.
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LiberalBuzz
Voting republican is voting against America.
12:47 AM on 02/18/2012
Using that logic then one must assume that we should take only the way kids are in East L.A. or Compton to give one the idea of what American parenting is?

Lame logic you use.
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Dahveed1
I have Flying Monkeys...
12:57 AM on 02/18/2012
I read her article. She freely acknowledges not everything is good in France. But she did marvel at how well the kids are behaved compared to US kids.
12:12 PM on 02/07/2012
Reminds me of The Continuum Concept book. Too much fussing and micromanaging of American children and paradoxically, too little interaction and interest. You'll see French parents on a train engaging with their children, reading to them, talking about what is outside the window while the American parent wants to be left alone and expects the child to watch their DVD on the lap top. American children get the wrong kind of attention.
A French parent will matter of factly put their child in the car seat and help buckle them up while the American parent ASKS (as though the child has a choice, and in the name of "niceness") and everyone knows it is false.
Children don't want to be pampered, they simply want to watch and listen and be with you, not necessarily having you play tea party with them, because make believe is the childs work, their realm, not yours. What they need from adults is opportunity to see adults in action.
10:51 PM on 02/07/2012
To your excellent point, mymatrix: http://wp.me/p25R6x-5J
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TRhett
Everyone should get what they deserve
08:36 AM on 02/18/2012
I read "Outliers" and "Talent is Overrated" when they were the craze a year or two ago - and I remember thinking, "Wow, it took 600 pages (not to mention countless studies and interviews) to tell us that? Why don't I write down a bunch of common [this assumption may be part of the problem] sense and have a bestseller?" - Excellent point and link.
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TRhett
Everyone should get what they deserve
07:58 PM on 03/11/2012
Damn . . . all the good ideas are taken . . . especially now that everyone thinks they're writers.
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TRhett
Everyone should get what they deserve
02:36 AM on 02/21/2012
Good points - especially about the kind of attention American childen get, the "false choice" conundrum, and make believe being the child's realm . . . assuming the adults are good reference individuals (a pretty big assumption today).
I would add a very important element (which I witness frequently): the tendency of American parents to immediately get defensive (as you can easily see here on this thread) at the mere suggestion that there might be a different (not necessarily French) way to do things. They tend to take it very personally - as an insult to them, rather than as helpful suggestions to be considered. A branch of general selfishness, I suppose . . . or perhaps a backlash against the "blame the parents for everything a child does wrong" mentality that was prevalent 20 or so years ago.
My mother, and educator and administrator for many years, says that she notices a dramatically different reaction today from parents when a child is in trouble than she did 25 years ago. Now, the emphasis is placed on doing everything in their power to get the child OUT of trouble so that they don't look like "bad" parents, rather than taking the opportunity to correct the child. You don't have to be an educator (or a parent, even) to guess what message that sends to the child . . .
10:55 PM on 02/05/2012
All French are better parents than all American parents.
All American are loud and have no table manners.
All British wear Wellingtons.
All Asians are good figure skaters.
All Southern people like NASCAR.
All people from New York City talk like Louie from Taxi.
All Canadians wear knit cap.
Got it.
Life is so much more simple with these handy crib sheets.
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TRhett
Everyone should get what they deserve
08:05 AM on 02/18/2012
Nice try . . . but no baguette. But thanks for highlighting a symptom of the problem: the propensity of Americans to jump defensive at the SLIGHTEST hint that there might be another parenting style to consider (I'm trying to be gentle). My mother was a school principal for years, and, although not prone to generalizations, she always used to says that when she had problems with a child and would call the parents in, about 90% of the time she could tell exactly where the problem was coming from within 2 minutes of their arrival.
06:47 PM on 02/18/2012
Add to the handy crib sheet people who generalise about Americans being defensive.
11:58 PM on 02/04/2012
Do French Parents Survive in the United States?
11:56 PM on 02/04/2012
French Parents in the United States: http://frenchbook.wordpress.com/2012/02/03/parenting-the-american-parent/
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Wonder Woman2
Whats a micro-bio?
11:05 AM on 02/04/2012
Why didn't I move to France 35 years ago?
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scodwyer
07:10 PM on 01/31/2012
I do love the idea of free education. And yes, I am aware that the French pay for it in taxes, but lets be honest: Kids are falling through the cracks or should I say holes in the American education system. All children should have the right to be educated. So many families cannot afford to send their children through college and without it, you are limited so far as your future. And you should not have to enormous student loans waiting for you when you graduate! We are missing the big picture: without educating all of our youth, we are slowly committing economic suicide. We can no longer compete with our counterparts.
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Dahveed1
I have Flying Monkeys...
01:05 AM on 02/18/2012
College costs are out of control. But I'll disagree with one of your points, not everyone should go to college. There is no reason to go to college if your planning to be a mechanic or construction worker. College isn't required if your only interested in being an administrative support person. The problem with our economy is that some of these no-college jobs have either left the country or pay so little that its hard to live doing them.

Rather than offer free college, I'd rather the government create incentives for companies to bring back some of the blue collar jobs that use to pay a middle class wage.
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TRhett
Everyone should get what they deserve
07:54 AM on 02/18/2012
. . . and bring some respect back to "blue-collar" skills.
09:28 PM on 01/28/2012
Maybe they've got something there...
04:59 PM on 01/28/2012
Didn't we just go through this last year with the Chinese Tiger mom lady talking about how superior her ways are? To each their own. And is there really only one parenting style per country? This book seems only about a quarter inch deep. Probably makes for good selling controversial copy though.
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LiberalBuzz
Voting republican is voting against America.
12:51 AM on 02/18/2012
I didn't really feel the tiger mom was speaking for anyone but herself whereas this story talks about an entire class of French mothers. Vastly different. And as well tiger mom was not very well received as any kind of model. Having traveled a great deal of the world as an Air Force brat the difference is out there. Europeans do have a different cultural aspect to their childrearing.

Here it seems as though helicopter parents are the norm and are out of control with it.
12:58 PM on 01/27/2012
Really? I was in France a few months ago with my 3 years-old boy. I visited lots of playgrounds and parks with him. The scene I saw 90% of the time. Nannies taking care of the toddlers. Something like 1 nanny to 5-6 children. How do they put boundaries? Shouting at them, ALL THE TIME. Very disturbing. I saw a 1-year-old hurting himself just because nobody was looking after him as he was entering a construction site beside the playground. Is this rasing a more independent child? Not so sure.
I think we should just have a deeper look into this so-called "well behaved french kid" before putting it onto a pedestal.
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Christophe
11:54 AM on 02/18/2012
Letting nannies take care of kids is the first mistake.
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WilliamL
08:13 AM on 01/27/2012
Being raised in the military, when I see talk about velvet fists, heavy discipline, and the line being run here, I think they don't really understand the concept of a velvet fist and use of fear as a form of behavior modification. Having expereinced it first hand do not adovocate it or support it because it does not work.

The military is a culture and community which could be compared to this version of French parenting. The term "military brat" is derived from the fact that chilren are considered by the military as contraband, a hinderance/baggage/bother. This view of French parenting attitudes runs hand in hand with that of that which I experienced.

One might consdier as well the French youth that were behind violence and burning in France a few years ago. That aside and more importantly, any parenting "style" adovocated that includes the word "fist" in it deserve scruitiny. Let us not forget that some people still today in this country and around the world still spank their children and practice the threat of it is an acceptable form of behavior modification. Using a term that includes fist sd be a clue to it deserving scruitiny. In the long run, heavy handed parenting is not only ineffective but on a basic level abusive.
05:47 AM on 01/28/2012
So tell us about how your kids turned out, and be honest.
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WilliamL
07:17 AM on 01/28/2012
Both are exceptional. The youngest reading score was that of a high school graduate in first grade- Learning Chinese, Spainish, along with dance, drama, and music. There are both fine human beings. They both make many adults I meet look childish. The are considerate, kind, and insightful. They have been a very positive influence in my life. I read some of these parenting posts and the parents just sound miserable and their children are so difficult and/or they have such a difficult time being a parent it makes me wonder why they had children and/or simply feel sorry for them-their children as well.
07:28 AM on 01/27/2012
Ahh, this gets me all riled up as well. Smugness and self-absorption can be found everywhere, and in my opinion do not make for good parenting skills. They make good copy, though. And they can throw attachment parents quite off balance. Almost like a priggish banker lecturing a lively, beautiful niece. Not breastfeeding one's baby because it will ruin one's figure, or sending one's 3-year-old off on an international trip (pre-school?? Really?), or not allowing for even a little bit of chaos and mess and fun because it interfere's with one's 'grown-up' adult lifestyle are doubtful practices for raising truly lively self-confident children. Be sure to take a closer look at the values passed along via the French school system, by the way. On the other hand, a certain 'European or continental' expectation of manners in children, of self-control, of self-motivation and learning to dress well and comport oneself in an adult world IS, in fact, often lacking in American contexts. It could be a class and urban thing. Go out to the countryside and life will be quite different from Paris, or Buenos Aires, or Madrid. I haven't read the book, just the reference to it here. I'm sure the book's picture of life in Paris will be more complex and sophisticated than can be conveyed in a small article. Looking forward to it.
07:55 PM on 01/30/2012
it was a 3-day field trip, not a 3-year-old child. School starts there at age 6 or 7, so preschool can be much later than you are assuming. My biggest bet is that it will be, at the very least, post-toilet training.
03:25 AM on 01/31/2012
Well, that's a relief.
02:37 PM on 02/07/2012
School does NOT start there at 6 or 7 years old. Kids are in nursery school often from before the age of 3, and certainly BY the age of 3. I'm with Motherlandsorg. For the most part French adults are a miserable, 'stuck' bunch whose life paths were set in cultural stone when they either went the university track or the trade track at around the age of 14. We Americans really romanticize the French life. For kids, it is a life of bullying and expectations and very little freedom. Unless you are one of the bullies.
10:22 PM on 01/26/2012
I really am striving for this parenting style...