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A Good Man: What Does It Mean?

Posted: 12/08/11 06:39 AM ET

What does it mean to be a good man? The question preoccupied venture capitalist Tom Matlack so much that he founded The Good Men Project. Called "a cerebral new media alternative" to traditional men's magazines and a glimpse into "enlightened masculinity," The Good Men Project is an online magazine featuring articles on a range of issues that impact men, from fatherhood, sex, and politics to ethics, war, and gender.

Matlack does not shy away from difficult subjects and considers The Good Men Project as much a social movement as a magazine. (The Web site is for-profit, but a collection of first-person essays released as a book by the Good Men Foundation will donate proceeds to the Boys and Girls Clubs, among other charities.) He's also keen on offering alternatives to stereotypes about the American male. "Men are not Bud Light commercials," he says. "And they're as complicated as women." We caught up with Matlack to get his take on post50 modern manhood.

There's been a lot of buzz in the media around articles like Hanna Rosin's "The End of Men" in The Atlantic and a more recent one along similar lines by Kate Bolick called "All the Single Ladies." They in part evoke the extent to which the global economy is shafting men and favoring women. What's your take on that - and how men face the challenges of 'reinvention'?

TM: I think that class plays a huge role. To say that that we're looking at 'the end of men' when you're talking about upper middle class white guys is insane. We're doing just fine. We have all sorts of emotional intimacy issues, but if we're talking purely about economics, you know, the world is still run by white men. But if you talk about men of color and men who are middle and lower class, she's absolutely right.

I think it comes down to what it means to be a good man in America -- and a father and a provider and all that good stuff. When your legs have been completely chopped out from under you and you were working at a GM plant or in construction and you no longer have a job - and somebody tells you that you're supposed to be a nurse or a medical technician or whatever - it's very hard for men to make that adjustment, particularly later in life.

How do you approach manhood and aging?

TM: Ever since I realized that I was completely off-track in my own life, I've tried to figure out what I'm passionate about. And often I've looked toward other men who I respect, even if they're entirely different from me. I listen to their stories and find out what they can teach me. We don't have enough mentoring in our culture.

Where do older men go to hear other men's voices and stories?

TM: We've been trying to create a forum where it's alright to talk about what it's like to be a soldier in Iraq, or in jail, or a foreman in a GM plant, and trying to be a good guy and a good father - and failing. What do you do when you fail? I don't think we have enough space in our culture for that. There's so much celebrity nonsense. All we get is the Bud Light commercial.

I'm struck by the extent to which women's voices and concerns dominate the market when it comes to aging. Why do you think this is the case?

TM: I think there are two things going on. On the one hand, our culture forces the myth of youth on women, so there's an obsession among them to constantly figure out how to stay young.

As far as men go, there used to be mid-life crises. I don't think we have mid-life crises any more. We just have crises. And men are really confused. Sure, age is part of that, but it's not a dominant thing. It used to be that you turned fifty and you'd buy a new car or get a mistress or you do whatever because you felt like shit. You'd think: My life is over and I haven't done anything that I think is really important. These things are happening for men a lot earlier. It happened to me when I was thirty-one.

Men are trying to figure out a very complex set of issues: Being thought of as fathers in very different ways as our own fathers; trying to sort out how to be important without putting all our emphasis on work. So asking what it means to get old is overwhelmed by other issues. Men tend not to enter into that conversation, particularly if it's viewed as a conversation about some version of female beauty, which is such bullshit, but unfortunately that's how our culture works.

Where does the myth of the sexy older woman fit into all this for older men?

TM: Well, my wife hates when I talk about her, but I tell her all the time: You get more beautiful every day. And I honestly mean that. I tell her, if you get any kind of plastic surgery, I'll go insane. I find the obsession with youth so misfounded. Never mind the damage it does -- it's just wrong. We ought to look at the aging process overall.

What about the notion that older men lust after younger women? Your site has featured pieces about this. Do you think this is true, or that it's more of a cultural stereotype?

TM: I think there's something in the older man's attraction to youth that revolves around the idea that because they're older and more powerful, the relationship with a younger woman is going to be simpler. They're not going to be challenged the way they might be in a relationship with someone who's the same age and has the same power base. It's kind of like, if you're married to your daughter, she's not going to give you that much shit.

In your post "The New Macho" you suggest that for some men "virtual sex is better than real sex with a complex women."

TM: Unfortunately, we are culturally afraid of looking at sex as intimacy. Of course, the secret is that that's what's so great about it. That's what's so beautiful about it. Going to a strip club is really not that much fun - for anyone involved. It's not that great, nor is being married to someone who's half your age. It just doesn't work after awhile in most cases, from what I can tell.

I think dealing with the complexity, the challenge and the emotional intimacy of having sex is something we as a culture don't do very well. For whatever reason we talk about it in the most distorted ways. We love to talk about Tiger Woods or Charlie Sheen and all gather around the water cooler talking about how bad they are. At the same time, prostitution, the sex trade and pornography are exploding. We're all participating in it. But no. It's Tiger Woods. He's the bad guy.

 
 
 
What does it mean to be a good man? The question preoccupied venture capitalist Tom Matlack so much that he founded The Good Men Project. Called "a cerebral new media alternative" to traditional men's...
What does it mean to be a good man? The question preoccupied venture capitalist Tom Matlack so much that he founded The Good Men Project. Called "a cerebral new media alternative" to traditional men's...
 
 
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05:59 PM on 12/14/2011
a good man is one that 1) can boil a pot of water without screwing it up 2) talk about something other than a) the Cubs, the Raiders the Broncos, the Packers, the Bengals, the Steelers, the Browns, the Lakers, the Celtics, LaBron James...etc, etc, etc, etc, etc b) the 10 point buck he shot in the rain last weekend
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dave dbo
the truth needs no varnish
02:24 AM on 12/17/2011
Your post drips with disrespectful sarcasm. I wonder what the definition of a good woman is, in your book?
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OtayPanky
You're welcome
11:02 AM on 12/14/2011
A good man makes sure he lives close by his children from earlier marriages so they can spend time together.
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OtayPanky
You're welcome
06:40 PM on 12/14/2011
And that's why I reject Tom Matlack as a example of and a spokesman for what a good man actually is all about.

He has blogged right here on Huffpo that he lives so far away from his first family, that his son only gets to visit him during the summer months.

I'm sorry - but that is a CHOICE. And it is not just a choice, but it is a TERRIBLE choice - a choice that cannot but have severe repercussions on the psycho-spiritual development of his young boy.

Yes, we can benefit from examples and role models of good men, and of good women, too. But they need to walk their talk, and make choices that are truly in the best interests of their children, who didn't ask for any of the problems that divorce inevitably brings them.
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jf12
When I saw her I marveled greatly.
10:49 AM on 12/17/2011
He decided to quit drinking and running around, so there's that.
07:22 AM on 12/14/2011
A good man is generous, loving, caring, funny. All personality traits. It never mattered to me about the look of a man or his bank balance, what's in his wallet, what job he has but unfortunately a lot of people do look at those material things. The media most of the time portrays a real man as dominant, has a fancy car, lots of dollars in his wallet, kind of a womanizer...

However, I never looked to the media to tell me what a good man is like. There's no difference to me of how a good man should act compared to a good woman. A man being kind or generous or sensitive is not being feminine. Not that being feminine or having "feminine traits" is a bad thing.

I think that's how people can be confused because the media tells men to not be like that because it's not 'masculine'. The media is damaging to both men and women because it tries to put us in a box, saying "you're this" or "you're that" because you have a certain sex organ.
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05:08 PM on 12/13/2011
I highly recommend David Deida as a great source on male/female relationships and the whole subject of being a man.

From Wikipedia:

Deida published the book Intimate Communion in 1995 and It’s a Guy Thing in 1997 outlining his ideas on psycho-sexual development and universal masculine and feminine identities. In 1997 he published The Way of the Superior Man and in 2001 a series of personal essays called Waiting to Love: Rude Essays on Life After Spirituality. His book Finding God Through Sex was released in 2002 and outlined practices for dissolving fear and self-boundaries during intercourse. Deida’s semi-autobiographical novel Wild Nights: Conversations with Mykonos about Passionate Love, Extraordinary Sex, and How to Open to God was published in 2005 and tells the story of developing friends, sexual intimacy, and God awareness through the guidance of a spiritual teacher. Deida published his book The Enlightened Sex Manual: Sexual Skills for the Superior Lover in 2004 and he discusses the topics of love and expanded awareness in his 2007 book Instant Enlightenment.
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01:48 PM on 12/13/2011
A lot of angry and entitled men posting on this thread. No wonder you have problems finding a “good” woman. What sane and self-respecting woman wants to put up with that level of contempt and chest thumping?
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Robbert Hoekstra
01:32 PM on 12/13/2011
What makes a good man? The woman who gave birth to him and raised him and the woman who marries him, and any of the role models who affect him during his formative years between these two important women.
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floodberg
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03:17 PM on 12/13/2011
Robbert Hoekstra, Let's not forget about great Dads and male role models!

My Dad gave me respite from my Mom's constant rules and saved me from her (justified) wrath more than once!  He taught me about everything and the basics of life ('treat everyone well','trust once') and encouraged me to go for my dreams and have fun doing it.  He had great taste in women (my mom, his sweetheart of 27 years), and was an angel when my wife fought cancer for 5 years...coming to dinner all the time with his sweetheart, keeping her company (she was handicapped) when I had to be out, visiting her at hospital and most of all holding my hand when her 2 hour exploratory surgery turned into a 12 hour life and death marathon.

He was my best friend until he died; I could always have a great conversation with him and the first person I'd go to for advice because he just plain had a heart of gold.   I helped nurse my mom through cancer (my sibs didn't bother), settled her estate and handled his finances, then his sweetheart asked me for legal help (I handled her assets and legal matters for 20 years), and it was out of my love for them  (no charge, ever.)  My wife and I couldn't have children, so we endowed a no-kill shelter; my sibs went crazy over my 'waste of money' (they still expect to inherit my estate, foolish folks!) but he backed me up publicly.  (Then asked me to set up a trust for his feral spay/neuter program without my sibs knowing, which I did with a wink and a smile! My sibs only discovered that little gem after he died.)  Every stray that came to his door got a trip to the vet (spay/neuter, shots), a collar, microwaved canned food at least twice a day in his own personalized dish (ok, that's kinda strange)...and he and his sweetheart loved every single one of them dearly!

When his sweetheart got alzheimers, she appointed my father as guardian and I as her lawyer (validated by the court, who found her daughter was physically abusive, and just wanted her money.)   He kept her with him and cared for her so lovingly it was heartbreaking; in his final illness per his instructions. I made sure the court appointed a good guardian for her assets and she's in a very nice (and expensive) facility; her daughter is still waiting.

My father was the finest man I ever met; smart, compassionate, charitable, loving.  I'm very lucky to have that kind of role model.  I only wish I could be half the man he was...the world is far poorer for his loss.
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Kathy Levittown
I love all animals better than most people!
11:22 PM on 12/14/2011
Hi floodberg.what a wonderful post...I too had a wonderful father..we were poor but he worked hard every day..and I was the oldest and we talked for hours....your writing touched my heart, my friend.....anyone, like you and your wife, who takes care of stray animals are awesome people! Bless you..Kathy..;-)
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dave dbo
the truth needs no varnish
02:40 AM on 12/17/2011
If you're a man I am afraid you've lost your bearings in Manland.
You don't seriously believe that ONLY WOMEN make a good man?
Again, I hope you're merely kidding, otherwise, you need a reorientation in the vast land of Manhood.
Without the men to enforce the rules what you have are juvenile delinquents, loved to pieces by their doting mothers and permissive girlfriends who will continue to have kids with them, no matter how many kids they've had with other women.
I can assure you, right now at this moment, there is a woman raising another woman's nightmare whom she calls "my son". Without men in the lives of boys you hardly ever have good men.
12:36 PM on 12/13/2011
I promise that, from this moment on, I will be proud to be male, and will seek closeness and brotherhood with every other man of every age, race, nation, and class. I will permit no slandering or disrespect or blaming of any man for the hurts which have been placed upon him and I will seek to restore safety to all men to discharge these cruel hurts. I will fight to end and eliminate the burdening of men with over-fatigue, over-responsibility, and coercion into armed service in which we have been brutalized, and forced to kill or be killed. I will cherish my birthright of being a good, intelligent, courageous,and powerful male human.
muckatuck
yeah, well, you know, thats just like uh, your opi
12:17 PM on 12/13/2011
well, to all the ladies i say, be careful what you wish for.the contracting co. i worked for made massive cutbacks following the recession and i was 'expendable' due to my position on the totem pole.prior to this, my wife had complained that she wanted to get back to work in order to feel more 'fulfilled' and that her time spent at school wasn't.severance and unemployment, along with the occasional side job kept us afloat for awhile, still does, but my wife is getting a little taste of what it's like to be the sole bread winner in the family and suddenly getting more than her 'fill' as far as work is concerned.on the flipside, i get to spend the kind of time with my son i was able to when i was working 70+ hours a week so my wife could live in the style she felt she was accustomed i.e. trips to the salon, impulse buying, loaning her deadbeat family and friends money(my money) now that it's coming outta her pocket, it doesn't seem so 'necessary.' and she wondered why it angered me so? i say enjoy it while you can guys(if you're in a situation like me and millions of other men)give it some time and they'll be begging for things to go back to the way they were.
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01:42 PM on 12/13/2011
Does she know how much you don't like her?
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dave dbo
the truth needs no varnish
02:45 AM on 12/17/2011
Why in the world would you JUMP to that conclusion?
The man is trying to encourage men not to make it a big deal if they have to stay home. In your mind however, he did not like his wife. Did you read the same piece as everyone else?
11:45 AM on 12/13/2011
Good men were no longer born after 1969, that when women starting having babies and thought it was ok to raise children by themselves. So now society it filled with eunichs that have had their balls removed by their soccer moms. They wouldn't know how to be a good man if they tried, and most women like this because now they can call all the shots.Both men and women have important roles in a relationship, but there can only be one person making the tough decisions. Boys today look at their dads and say why should this guy get any respect , he has no power. Not hating, just a fact.
muckatuck
yeah, well, you know, thats just like uh, your opi
12:24 PM on 12/13/2011
the only fact is that you've stated an opinion based not on reality, but on your own skewed perceptions and narrow view of the world.the only fact is, your opinion shows you're completely out of touch with the reality of what's actually going on and the reasons why.the fact is, it takes two people in a relationship to make tough decisions based on the fact that said decision will affect all parties.learnt the difference between fact and opinion before talking out the side of your neck.
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dave dbo
the truth needs no varnish
02:48 AM on 12/17/2011
Nope, you're wrong.
In EVERY organization involving humans, there is ALWAYS one person who leads. No matter how "equal" the parties are (even the US has a president; medical associations have their leaders, etc). While it is true that all parties must contribute to the process of decision making, the leader eventually makes the decision. One major reason that marriage is failing in the west is because feminists oppose this simple rule. Anything that has more than one head is a monster.
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cheaptrick00
socialism = spending OTHERS money!!!
01:40 PM on 12/13/2011
BINGO!!!!
Greenblue
Whatever doesn't kill you, makes you stranger :P
11:43 AM on 12/13/2011
I got nothing out of this article..nothing ._.
05:45 PM on 12/14/2011
...me neither
11:31 AM on 12/13/2011
A good man or a good woman for that matter is one who fears God! If it exists in a person, everything else falls into place! And I am not speaking about religion, but straight forward fear of God which produces morality, ethical behavior and responsibility; attributes that are disappearing in our American culture as a whole and are being substituted by lust, greed, power and everything else that is carnal and wicked because it deal with the external man, not the internal man!
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cheaptrick00
socialism = spending OTHERS money!!!
01:41 PM on 12/13/2011
??? whoa....
10:55 AM on 12/13/2011
A good man????? From my experiences, a woman would expect a "good man" to wash the cars, mow the lawn, paint the house, vacuum the carpet, clean the floors, clean the house in general, work 60 hours a week, put up with her families BS, kiss the kids rear ends, and then give the princess a break because she's so tired and worn out. GIMME A BREAK!
10:43 AM on 12/13/2011
Great questions! Light-weight, non-specific, oblivious, intangible answers. Men are at their best when they are being MEN. One word summerizes their traits--Strength. Women are at their best when they are being WOMEN. One word summerizes their traits--Beauty. It is the role reversal going on in the world today that is confusing everyone. Women aren't good at being men and vice-versa.
11:20 AM on 12/13/2011
Beauty NO Loving Look at some or most of the happily married couples She's no beauty It's focus on your man and loving him always
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floodberg
Attorney (ret.)
03:38 PM on 12/13/2011
'Beauty' is skin deep and transitory, but inner beauty lasts forever.  I have had the pleasure of knowing and loving a handful of these Inner Beauties (my mom, my dad's longtime sweetheart, a few others of the older generation), and married the only one I ever met in my own generation. 

She was brilliant, smart, hard-working, an old-style 'lady' without any arrogance at all, compassionate, kind to a fault (I had a lot of those which she never mentioned, and when I apologized would just wave me off and give me a kiss.)   She was smarter than me and kept me on my toes (which I loved.)  We would discuss finances or plans, she always saw things I missed and 'we' made great decisions (and there was never a 'that's your fault' uttered by either of us...EVER.) 

She always made me feel like I was the best thing she'd ever seen.  I cherished that woman and was devoted to her; and I think she kinda liked me, too.

Yes, she was gorgeous and got prettier every day, especially during her fight with cancer.  I have no doubt she could have traded up with no problem; my male friends were clear that she was the finest woman they ever met.  I made sure she'd be well-protected by them if I died first, and she could have had any one of them with a glance and a smile. 

She was quite a lady, and I'm still honoured that she chose to share her life with me.  ♥
10:28 AM on 12/13/2011
i love what Tom Matlack says in his second to last question about older men going for younger women... I'm 25 and have always wondered why older men (like guys 10+ years) have been into me instead of someone around their age...

" because they're older and more powerful, the relationship with a younger woman is going to be simpler. They're not going to be challenged the way they might be in a relationship with someone who's the same age and has the same power base." Makes complete sense :)

I 100% agree with what he said about talking of sex in distorted ways...."We love to talk about Tiger Woods or Charlie Sheen and all gather around the water cooler talking about how bad they are. At the same time, prostitution, the sex trade and pornography are exploding." We def need to put more emphasis and awareness out there of how bad prostitiution, sex trade, and pornography are.
10:25 AM on 12/13/2011
The reason there is not a article or book about "A Good Woman" is because there are not
very many of them. Most women are shrews who want to dominate and control. The best
thing a good man can do is to stay away from women.
11:25 AM on 12/13/2011
By George, I think you've got it.
11:54 AM on 12/13/2011
don;t shy away from women, just don't get as emontionally hung up and starry eyed over them.also sounds like you aren,t particular towards women am i right? respond back.