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Memories and Emotions: All in The Mind or the Brain?

Posted: 09/27/11 09:41 AM ET

Co-authored by Dr. Rudolph E. Tanzi

Current brain research is hot on the trail of mysteries that need solving. Current imaging techniques can show, with remarkable precision, what happens in specific parts of the brain when we feel an emotion, for example. Eventually, neuroscientists may be able to pinpoint the exact process that leads to the emotion of love. Indeed they already feel that they are close, since there's a map for tracing the hormones that make falling in love feel ecstatic, along with the areas of the brain responsible for emotions.

But close does you no good if your model has a serious flaw. In this case, the flaw is to assume that the physical mechanisms associated with love are the same as love itself. What if love takes place in the mind rather than the brain?

To many, that's a distinction without a difference. The mind is invisible, yet everything it thinks or feels requires a physical response in the brain. If you know what the brain is doing, you know what the mind is doing, or so the scientific method, based on materialism, holds to be true. But a huge mystery, known as the mind-body problem, is being begged. As long as we ignore the mind, we may be making profound mistakes about the brain.

The words "I love you" give us a perfect example. Imagine that you are sitting close to someone who has not made clear what he or she feels. The moment is right; the mood is intimate. In your ear you hear the words "I love you." Stop action. If we ask a neuroscientist what happens next, he will unfold a trail of physical events. Air molecules vibrate when those words are spoken, and in turn they vibrate the ear drum. Tiny bones in the middle ear transmit the signal, which gets turned into electrochemical reactions in the inner ear. As soon as electricity and chemicals are involved, we are in the precinct of the brain, which goes to work rapidly. Various areas light up, involving a complex interaction between those areas that process sound, meaning, memory and emotions. Even if it takes years or decades for neuroscience to trace this pattern exactly, the result is the same: Your heart jumps for joy, you flush and the delight of hearing "I love you" overtakes your body.

Or does it? What if you don't welcome those words? Instead, this was the moment, perhaps, when you were going to end the relationship. The physical trail remains the same, but something is drastically different: the meaning of the words as they apply to you. The dictionary definition of "I love you" isn't in doubt. Yet, if you think about it, every response imaginable is available to us when we hear "I love you," from horror (if a serial killer says them) to indifference (if you've heard it too many times) to joy. As for the body, it too is capable of any response -- you might feel nothing, or you might faint dead away. How is this possible?

Of course, we each hear the words "I love you" in a personal context, involving our own associations and memories. A gentle "I love you" might invoke memories of your mother's arms when you were a child. Individual meaning gets shaped in the brain's memory centers. But memory has its own baffling mysteries. One of us (Rudy), a Harvard neuroscientist, asked dozens of colleagues at a scientific conference, "Where are memories stored?" Instantly, everyone replied, "In the brain, of course." He pressed the point. "Where exactly in the brain? In neurons? If so, where in the cellular structure? After hemming and hawing, most had to concede that no one really knows. We know that synapses fire to retrieve a memory, but we do not actually understand how or where memories are physically stored in the brain or, for that matter, whether they can be physically located at all.

Meaning occurs in the mind, and the brain obeys the mind. They are not the same thing. A radio plays music, but it doesn't create music. A radio is dependent on the station you tune it to. Meaning is like tuning in but more subtle. You don't turn a dial; you automatically know what the meaning is, and if you don't, what happens? Your mind tries to straighten out the meaning. Your brain doesn't accomplish this task. Maybe the person whispered "I love U2." There's a huge difference between loving a rock band and loving a person who might love you back.

Can we really claim that brain tissue, which is made up of organic chemicals and water, can tell that "I love you" leads to joy while "I love U2" leads to a mild "That's nice. I do, too"? No, we can't. It's a mistake to attribute to physical things -- cells, molecules, atoms and so on -- what really belongs to the mind.

We aren't talking metaphysics, although science often takes that escape route when its faith in materialism is challenged. So let's leave aside the mind. There is no physical explanation for why the body reacts as it does to words. Consider that you hear any of the following sentences:

It's bedtime.
Your life savings are gone.
Look out, a rattlesnake!

Everyone agrees that each of these causes a terrifically different reaction in the body. Yet if you hear them spoken, each sentence beg ins with the tiniest vibration of the ear drum, and the brain signals that come next are also barely measurable in microvolts of electricity and a few hundred of thousand molecules of messenger molecules. Yet these tiny, tiny events get amplified enormously. The adrenaline rush that sends you running in panic from a rattlesnake represents millions of times more energy than the words that caused them. The words "It's bedtime" cause an equally massive amplification but in the opposite direction, toward relaxation and shutdown of the body for sleep.

It's well known that the human body depends upon homeostasis, the ability to keep very complex systems in balance and to return to a state of balance when it is disturbed. Yet words cause us to deliberately go out of balance, and there's no physical mechanism to explain it. Meaning explains everything, since "It's bedtime" and seeing a rattlesnake of course hold totally opposite meanings. But if you say that the brain creates the meaning of words in the cerebral cortex -- the standard textbook explanation -- you have no way of escaping a dead end. The physical world is ruled by cause and effect. We cannot say that a feather can dust the table one minute and push over a boulder the next. Yet these same tiny molecules of brain chemicals manage to do just that. One minute you hear some words and decide to go to sleep; the next minute you hear other words and instantly run away on high alert.

There is no doubt that your body can amplify signals. There's no doubt that different words have different meanings. Yet if you try to put these two facts together using just the brain, you can't. A tiny virus can enter the body and cause every system to break down, leading to death. It's as if a baseball broke a window in a skyscraper and the whole building fell down. But that's not really a mystery, because the virus divides, and by a simple train of cause-and-effect, its toxins are amplified until the immune system is overwhelmed. But there is no explanation for how a few words can create such a powerful effect that it gets repeated, day after day, for years. The things we worry and obsess over, the grief that lingers on and on, the game-winning touchdown and the girl who got away -- all can be amplified into bodily reactions from a state of near zero, since memory requires no expenditure of energy.

Some mysteries are worth pondering because they fascinate us. Others are worth pondering because they can shake our whole worldview. The mystery of "I love you," we believe, is the second kind.

Deepak Chopra, MD, FACP
deepakchopra.com

Dr. Rudolph E. Tanzi
Joseph P. and Rose F. Kennedy
Professor of Neurology,
Harvard Medical School
Director, Genetics and Aging Research Unit,
MassGeneral Institute for Neurodegenerative Disease
Massachusetts General Hospital

 
 
 

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Co-authored by Dr. Rudolph E. Tanzi Current brain research is hot on the trail of mysteries that need solving. Current imaging techniques can show, with remarkable precision, what happens in specific...
Co-authored by Dr. Rudolph E. Tanzi Current brain research is hot on the trail of mysteries that need solving. Current imaging techniques can show, with remarkable precision, what happens in specific...
 
 
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St Juan Bautista
02:28 PM on 10/09/2011
Mr Chopra; are you serious? the mind and the brain are the same, what's wrong don't you know every living creature possesses a heart which is the opposite to the brain? thoughts and knowledge = brain.. feelings come from the heart and are real, feelings don't lie to you, your brain does, Acknowledge will deceive you. the mind is what you use to make decisions based on acknowledge, and sometimes the brain and the heart will be in conflict with each other.
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tpaloalto
05:52 PM on 09/29/2011
Memory is just the minds attempt at continuity, and as such is an illusion at best.
10:41 PM on 09/28/2011
I believe Damasio's work sheds a great deal of light on a question such as this.
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Dr Idris
polymathy is not understanding
01:25 AM on 09/29/2011
Yes, I agree. And it was Spinoza who inspired him. Also the meaning/ meaningless debate about the cosmos is a moot point. Necessary by Analytic/ Ontological definition THE ONE SUBSTANCE-with its attributes and modes, is its own justification. It does not "design", nor does it have a "goal".
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Dr Idris
polymathy is not understanding
06:37 PM on 09/28/2011
To entertain another possibility. Spinozist Monism. Rather than two "things"-based on two substances, one thinking, the other extended. One Substance of which these two are "attributes". Thus mind and body are two "aspects" i.e. "looks" of one thing. The Mind is essentially the Idea of the Body-etc
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Dr Idris
polymathy is not understanding
06:19 PM on 09/28/2011
Ok Fine-the Mind is not the Brain. Maybe the Brain is only the "Occasion" for consciousness and like your radio analogy-e.g., when I play the Saxophone are the lips and fingers part of the mind? The Sound Equipment(electricity, wires, digital circuits0 I use to play "Afternoon of a Faun" is very different from he piece of music emerging 'mysteriously" from the speakers.
Yet, is it not indeed still metaphysics to imply that the MIND as such "uses" the Brain-through linguistic signs somehow?-as you seem to (A form of Cartesian dualism)? True, materialist philosophers convinced consciousness is a quality of the Brain, as wetness is of water, still have not been able to say exactly how the brain turns neural impulses into self-consciousness. Maybe our brains are not wired to resolve the question?
Maybe a lucid mind facing a not quite coherent universe is a sign of the Absurd -and only a "leap of faith" can resolve that
02:58 AM on 09/28/2011
From my perspective as a hypnotherapist and author, I have written about my theories of consciousness describing parts of the mind to a magnificent computer. During hypnosis people are able to delete Faulty Subconscious Programs (programmed without their awareness or permission) that have caused fears, bad habits, self-sabotaging behaviors, panic attacks, infertility, low self-esteem, etc, etc. The amygdala is often the culprit resulting in these bad choices. In the vast majority of the cases, people had no conscious idea of what initiated their issue until they explored what was in their subconscious mind. It's as if the subconscious mind operates on a different frequency (alpha, theta and delta altered states) rather than the beta consciousness frequency of our conscious state. What becomes programmed in your subconscious mind, manifests in your body as my case studies collected from over a thousand clients have shown. I have much to say on this subject and insufficient space to continue here. There is more that we do not know that we do not know, so we must keep an open mind. We are on the verge of great discoveries about our human consciousness. For one example, look up Dr. Sam Parnia from Cornell Weill Medical Center and his preliminary extensive research findings of a consciousness that continues after death..
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WoodsideCraig
Author of the blog "The Weiler Psi"
10:25 PM on 09/27/2011
Chopra is right. The brain does not beget the mind. And there is certainly enough evidence of this. For starter, all animals, plants and even insects are conscious; not only that, animals can relate to each other as well as humans even when they are different species. Look up strange animal friendships and see for yourself.

How does a plant have consciousness? (With its roots. But how does it develop this when the evolutionary track is so completely different?) And can relate to humans? How does that happen? How about dogs and cats? How is it that we can relate to just about any animal?

If consciousness is purely an evolutionary trait, why can we be so connected to so many different living things? Should everything have a vastly different consciousness that is quite foreign to us if they are far apart in evolution?

Why is consciousness basically the SAME in every LIVING thing?

Not to mention the fact that consciousness has shown up in quantum physics to the point that many physicists acknowledge it.

No, a materialistic approach is not the answer.
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DakkonA
www.DisentangledReality.com
11:08 PM on 09/27/2011
None of what you stated requires some sort of external, special consciousness.

You haven't even established that "consciousness is basically the same in every living thing", you've only asserted it.
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nlkennedy
Realism Only
01:05 AM on 09/28/2011
Consciousness IS the fundamental reality. Perhaps the only infinite resource in the universe and the larger system we inhabit. But we wont know for sure, nor will we remember this current life after we die.

Conciousness is god, everything we see around us, as in material objects, is just data. Data juxtaposed by physics and biology, collapsed by our sensory organs, organized by our brain for our consciousness to enjoy.

I respect your comment.
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WoodsideCraig
Author of the blog "The Weiler Psi"
01:37 AM on 09/28/2011
Thank you. That is a very insightful way of putting it.
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ManwithaParachute
Not Seeking Your Approval
10:10 PM on 09/27/2011
Love is always a verb.
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CountLeo
It's a rich language - learn to use it.
08:31 PM on 09/27/2011
"Memories and Emotions: All in The Mind or the Brain? "

I wish I could be convinced that they are different.
07:27 PM on 09/27/2011
Researching the relationship between emotions like love & hormones/brain activity is not a case of looking for answers in the brain while ignoring the mind. In fact, as with much of brain research, such studies ask the following: How does activity in the brain affect the mind? How are certain mental events related to certain brain events?

Since we have already established a rather close relationship between the mind and the brain, isn't studying the brain in order to understand the mind a sensible route to find some of these answers? Just because we cannot locate a "memory storage unit" in the brain, that does not mean that our brains do not hold our memories. Even if we could identify a specific, singular anatomical location where memories are stored, I doubt Chopra would be satisfied with the explanation of, "Memories reside in the brain".

Language and language processing are indeed complex. However, that does not mean that the brain incapable of accounting for the fact that context and perspective have profound effects on meaning and interpretation. The brain, too, is very complex and our lack of understanding of how the brain works is a function of that complexity.

Surely, we may not be able to find answers to every question through science but Chopra appears to belittle the attempt to try, which I think is unproductive.
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rtgmath
There has got to be a better way!
05:06 PM on 09/27/2011
Chopra would like to unlink the mind from the brain and pretend to demonstrate a "spirit-body" connection. The fact is that ALL the evidence points to "the mind" being a perceptual phenomena of the brain.

Chopra: "But close does you no good if your model has a serious flaw." A self-indictment if there ever was one! Chopra's model has many serious flaws - beginning with the fact that he has no proof whatsoever of his claims for an interaction between some nonphysical "mind" and the brain.

Chopra proposes that the body simply amplifies emotion, thoughts, or signals. But this would imply that "the spirit" or "the mind" has very weak emotions, thoughts, or signals and that they must be amplified for the body to react -- "the real you" needing amplification to properly "feel", think, or react in the real world.

So Chopra's proposition, extended, implies that a mind without a body is undetectable, unable to interact with other minds or anything else.

Well, so much for "science," then! An undetectable mind wrote Chopra's article.

You know? That sounds about right.

All thought up because the science of the brain, being incomplete, has definite gaps. To Chopra, if it isn't explained scientifically yet it can't ever be explained scientifically.

Just like Creationists, Chopra wants the prestige of science without the work and without the results, preferring to punt and make up the results as he goes. His followers like it that way.
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WoodsideCraig
Author of the blog "The Weiler Psi"
12:34 AM on 09/29/2011
You've actually oversimplified the discussion and set up a straw man argument.

I generally find that when skeptics say "there's no proof" what they really mean is: "I refuse to accept anything as proof that might change my mind." I can't say for sure that this is true in your case of course, but I've run across that mentality more times than I can count.

Chopra stands on firm scientific ground actually. You might want to explore alternate views of consciousness because your argument has gaping holes in it. Just saying.
04:42 PM on 09/27/2011
The "brain" is an organ in the head. The "mind" is what we call the things the brain does that we actually notice (unlike its unnoticed running of the autonomic functions).
04:37 PM on 09/27/2011
Well their is hardware and software..They function as a whole and yet have very different properties..Think of the Brain as hardware like a micro controller that controls a larger machine..Software that resides in the micro controller uses the controller to send impulse to the machine that have greater physiological effect than pure thought alone.
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04:30 PM on 09/27/2011
"One minute you hear some words and decide to go to sleep; the next minute you hear other words and instantly run away on high alert."

We can all agree that humans are highly evolved or highly designed beings. It's doesn't make any sense to anybody that language and the brain evolved together, such that they are intrinsically linked? So of course the brain can tell, via the language it has been programmed in, that "Look out, Rattlesnake!" requires Fight or Flight response. Why does the concept of the words being different phase these so called smart people?

If memory is not stored in the brain, but in some swapspace called Mind, where live processing is done, then where does it go, and from whence does it come back? That an equivalent "dead end" to the one in the third to last paragraph. It could be that memory is synthesized in recall based on pathways in the brain, in which case the answer is BOTH. You can't have one without the other so stop trying to divide them. Any attempt to say it is one or the other is wrong.

The whole thing about being unable to understand the amplification of energy in the body astounds me. It isn't that the "tiny energy" of memory incites a mysterious energy amplification. It is that it begins a series of chemical reactions that are primed and ready to go, the reactants stored in our body for just such a purpose.
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04:59 PM on 09/27/2011
Good comment Abstraction.
If we want to discuss philosophy, let's.
If we want to mix philosophy with science we end up with pseudo science at worst or psychology at best.
If we muddle around looking for causality of "mind"-and this is what Mr Chopra is really looking for with this whole discussion, isn't he?- we should agree that this will not be about science.
I don't know about anybody else, but my "mind" is full of many things including preconceptions, beliefs, perceptions, fears, hopes, desires, dreams,etc, yet i would never elevate these "cogitations" and memories as anything beyond my own response to the experiences of my body within this existence...I think it presumptuous to do otherwise.
08:07 AM on 09/28/2011
Have you not ever had a thought or insight come to you that wasn't something you learned? Like an intuition? Or a bit of wisdom, that you couldn't trace to something in your environment?
Many of us are a product of the society/culture that we live in, yet we often get glimpses beyond that...
I believe the mind and brain are seperate "entities" if you will, but our goal is to bring them into harmony with one another.
You make interesting points.
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Jesusocialist
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04:24 PM on 09/27/2011
There have been documented cases of transplant recipients retaining memories of those who had the organs previously.

And not brain transplants, either.
04:41 PM on 09/27/2011
Citation?
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Jesusocialist
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