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"Packing Heat on Your Street": Stop This Bill!

Posted: 10/19/11 01:21 PM ET

It's been nine months since the Tucson shooting, in which the U.S. Congress almost lost one of its own -- Rep. Gabrielle Giffords -- to gunfire. And how has the Congress responded to the shooting that so gravely wounded Rep. Giffords, while ending six innocent lives, including that of a nine-year-old girl, and injuring twelve others?

The House Judiciary Committee next week likely will report out a bill, H.R. 822, that will make it possible for dangerous people like the Tucson shooter to legally carry concealed weapons in virtually every state in the nation. The Senate may take up similar legislation any day now, in the form of an Appropriations Amendment.

Arizona's gun laws are so weak that Jared Loughner did not even have to get a permit to legally carry his hidden Glock, with its high-capacity assault clip, to the sidewalk in front of that Safeway. But he was certainly eligible for an Arizona concealed carry permit, and if he had obtained one, H.R. 822 would have enabled him to carry his Glock into Times Square.

This dreadful piece of legislation -- which should be known as the "Packing Heat on Your Street Act" -- would force states to recognize the concealed carry permits granted by other states, even if the gun carriers would be ineligible for a permit in the state where the carrying occurs. In fact, the version adopted by the House Judiciary majority last week would allow non-resident concealed carriers to pack heat in states where they were previously ineligible even to possess a gun. So much for states' rights. Under H.R. 822, the Congress would prevent states from enforcing the restrictions they have deemed necessary for public safety against out-of-state gun carriers.

In an ironic twist, during the same week the Judiciary Committee was considering this bill, Rep. Curry Todd, a Tennessee State legislator who championed a bill to allow concealed carry permit holders to take their guns into bars in his State, was arrested for possessing a handgun while intoxicated. (Perhaps we now know why he felt so strongly about the issue.) Apart from the irony, the legislator's arrest demonstrates the folly of making it easier for individuals to carry loaded and concealed weapons in public. It is simply too difficult to ensure that those who get these licenses are, in fact, responsible, law-abiding citizens.

A recent Brady Center report documents thirteen cases of murder by persons who were legal concealed carriers until they pulled the trigger, including Jared Loughner. The "Packing Heat on Your Street Act" only exacerbates the problem by allowing such persons to carry their guns into virtually any state. Under this legislation, if someone with a Virginia concealed carry permit were caught armed and intoxicated in Tennessee, the State would be powerless to arrest him for gun possession while under the influence, even though it could enforce the same law against Tennessee residents. Does this make any sense at all?

Even now, dangerous individuals are bypassing their own states' concealed weapon restrictions by obtaining permits from more lenient states. Take the case of Marqus Hill, who obtained a Florida permit after his Pennsylvania permit was revoked. At the permit revocation hearing, Hill had assaulted a police officer. With his Florida permit making him, once again, a legal concealed carrier in Pennsylvania, last year Hill shot 18-year-old Irving Santana 13 times and was charged with homicide.

Some states, like Utah, literally have gone into the business of issuing concealed carry licenses to non-residents. Last year, the State made $2.5 million from issuing the permits to individuals from all over the country. Dan Morain of the Sacramento Bee discovered that over 16,000 permits had been issued to Californians, even though California doesn't recognize Utah permits. Under the "Packing Heat" bill, everyone with a Utah permit will be able to carry virtually anywhere.

It's not too late to stop this insanity.

Think about the innocent victims of a legal concealed carrier in Tucson and call your U.S. Senator, and your Representative, now! Go to www.bradycampaign.org and we'll make it easy for you.

For more information, see Dennis Henigan's Lethal Logic: Exploding the Myths that Paralyze American Gun Policy (Potomac Books 2009)


 
It's been nine months since the Tucson shooting, in which the U.S. Congress almost lost one of its own -- Rep. Gabrielle Giffords -- to gunfire. And how has the Congress responded to the shooting tha...
It's been nine months since the Tucson shooting, in which the U.S. Congress almost lost one of its own -- Rep. Gabrielle Giffords -- to gunfire. And how has the Congress responded to the shooting tha...
 
 
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01:19 PM on 10/31/2011
The Full Faith and Credit Clause ("Full faith and credit ought to be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings, of every other state; and the legislature shall, by general laws, prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings, shall be proved, and the effect which judgments, obtained in one state, shall have in another.") means that constitutionally, a concealed carry permit in one state should be recognized in another anyway.
01:14 PM on 10/31/2011
So, if there is no concealed carry allowed, do you think that there will be no criminals carrying? You said Laughner didn't even need to get a permit to carry his Glock, but do you really think if a permit was required to conceal carry in Arizona he would of bothered to get it? Criminals do not care about gun laws. They will carry no matter what. Why should law abiding citizens be disarmed and unable to protect ourselves from gun toting criminals? The vast, vast majority of 'concealed carry killers' use long guns on their private property, thus their having a CHL is a moot point. Even so, 12 out of the millions of concealed carry permits issued is a pretty damn good record.
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molonlabe
I rarely go full Wookie but own a whole suit.
01:51 PM on 10/26/2011
"Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."


http://www.gallup.com/poll/150341/Record-Low-Favor-Handgun-Ban.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_content=morelink&utm_term=Politics

Poor Dennis. The Joyce Foundation better up the ante next year.
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David Carson
06:52 PM on 10/26/2011
ML--don't forget the old truism--"if your enemy is making mistakes, get out of the way and give them a hard push so they make even more mistakes"
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molonlabe
I rarely go full Wookie but own a whole suit.
07:14 PM on 10/26/2011
At the current rate our anti-gun friends are going, all that is needed is a slight breeze.
12:39 PM on 10/27/2011
The key being the ability to identify one's enemies.
Clue: Do not allow Wayne LaPierre to identify them for you --- think for yourself --- if you have the ability to do so.
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RevJimIII
Open Carry Oklahoma!!
08:03 PM on 10/25/2011
I'm still waiting for Mr Henigan to openly debate his positions here..
InYourWorld
Progressive, educated, redneck but fan of no party
03:24 PM on 10/26/2011
He spends all his free time skewing facts and making up things for his next smear piece.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and combat vet
05:49 PM on 10/23/2011
"Think about the innocent victims of a legal concealed carrier in Tucson "

Technically he was not a legal carrier as under AZ state law, it is illegal to carrier concealed in order to commit a crime. Since he was carrying with the intent to commit a crime, he was therefore not a legal carrier.
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rikilii
Hush, was the first word you were taught...
11:02 AM on 10/24/2011
The shooting also took place within a 1000 feet of a high school, so he also violated federal law...the exception to the 1000 ft school zone restriction only applies if you have a permit issued by a state.

And regardless of the legality of his carrying of the weapon, it was totally irrelevant to what he did, as it is totally absurd to think that he wouldn't have carried out his plan if he wasn't able to carry the gun to Safeway legally, or that making it illegal for him to carry would have stopped the shooting from happening.   Indeed, he was pulled over by a cop shortly before the incident, and the cop had no reason to suspect he had a weapon in the car.

“The contact was very cordial,” said Jim Paxon, a spokesman for the department. “Mr. Loughner was very forthcoming with his license and registration and insurance. The officer did a visual examination of the vehicle. He had no probable cause to search the vehicle or detain the subject.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/13/us/politics/13giffords.html
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and combat vet
05:47 PM on 10/23/2011
" Dan Morain of the Sacramento Bee discovered that over 16,000 permits had been issued to Californians, even though California doesn't recognize Utah permits."

Yes, but 25 states do recognize Utah's non-resident permits and those 16,000 people may travel to those other states, no all of which have a non-resident permit system in place. For example, if a Californian is going to Montana and is unable to get a permit in California due to that state's arbitrary discrimination practices (they can deny you a permit because you part your hair on the wrong side), and since Montana does not have a non-resident permit system, the person can get a non-resident permit from Utah which is accepted by Montana. So while it does not afford them any benefits in California, it can when they travel outside the state.
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Iconcoclast
complicated laws are opportunities for scoundrels
04:48 PM on 10/26/2011
"...is unable to get a permit in California due to that state's arbitrary discrimina­tion practices>

I am told it helps greatly to be a major political supporter of the local sheriff. What's so unfair about that? As long as the sheriff is a Democrat, that seems like a perfectly reasonable filter.....
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and combat vet
05:36 PM on 10/23/2011
"Under this legislation, if someone with a Virginia concealed carry permit were caught armed and intoxicated in Tennessee, the State would be powerless to arrest him for gun possession while under the influence, even though it could enforce the same law against Tennessee residents."

Actually that is incorrect. Under this legislation, the only thing which carried over from the issuing state is the permit to carry. A person carrying in a state other than the issuing state must comply with the carry restrictions the non-issuing state, to include prohibitions on locale and circumstances. In this regard it is treated just like a driver's license -- if the person has a license from California where right on red is allowed, that does not give him the permission to make a right on red in NYC, where it is prohibited. Likewise, if a person has a permit issued in a state which allows concealed carry in bars and has no provisions restricting carry while intoxicated, this would not give them the permission to carry in bars or while intoxicated while in a state which prohibits these things.
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LouGots
10:46 AM on 10/26/2011
What do you want from a grabber.? Truth? Accuracy? Gun-grabbers deal in distortion, trickery and outright lies.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and combat vet
05:23 PM on 10/23/2011
" assault clip"

Fabricated term created recently by the leaders of the Brady Camp to arbitrarily demonize an object.
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rikilii
Hush, was the first word you were taught...
10:16 AM on 10/24/2011
According to the BC, a handgun magazine that holds 11 rounds is "an assault clip", whereas a magazine that holds 10 rounds is just fine and dandy.
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02:27 PM on 10/21/2011
"Under this legislation, if someone with a Virginia concealed carry permit were caught armed and intoxicated in Tennessee, the State would be powerless to arrest him for gun possession while under the influence"

Hmmmmmm......I'm gonna go with......"Nuh uh".
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Dimensio
I just don't know what went wrong!
01:50 PM on 10/21/2011
But he was certainly eligible for an Arizona concealed carry permit, and if he had obtained one, H.R. 822 would have enabled him to carry his Glock into Times Square.
Does Mr. Henigan believe that individuals predisposed to committing acts of mass homicide will refrain from doing so if they are unable to legally conceal a deadly weapon when in a public place?
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hagagaga
My comments are funnier than yours.
09:13 AM on 10/21/2011
The really sad part about this article is that he's more honest than usual.
12:18 PM on 10/20/2011
"with its high-capacity assault clip," Just how $tupid does one need to be, to write these 'farceumentaries'?
As for the Utah Concealed Firearm Permit, they also include a special FBI Background check, to make sure potential carriers are not career criminals.
"An armed society, is a polite society".
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Fang1944
10:18 PM on 11/15/2011
"An armed society, is a polite society".

Do you know that this goofy slogan comes from a pulp SF novel written in the 30s? In it Heinlein imagined a eugenics-based "utopia," which had completely abolished democracy and equality. Society was dominated by genetically enhanced gunslingers. Only gunwearers were entitled to what we call normal courtesy. In the course of the novel one character explains that the real purpose of an armed society is to kill of the weak, slow people.

Is this where you get your ideas?
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Fang1944
11:10 PM on 11/15/2011
Typo: kill off the weak, slow people.
Satirist1
All 4 d best in the best of all possible worlds
11:58 AM on 10/20/2011
Thanks for the helpful information regarding Utah issuance of concealed carry permits to non-residents. I didn't know that! I'll try to get it, and post about my experience.
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grimace71
Restore America Now
12:16 PM on 10/20/2011
You may also do the same in Wyoming, Nevada & Arizona (at least).
12:58 PM on 10/20/2011
Re: Utah is not only less expensive than Texas, it last longer and the re-new is easier and cheaper.
The class I went to, was at a local Feed Store. Pleasant, informative, and painless.
03:07 PM on 10/26/2011
But many states (such as mine) do not recognize non-resident permits.
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Rooster Coburn
Less Gov't + More Responsibility = A Better World
11:28 AM on 10/20/2011
Driving from Florida to New York City I do not have to worry about reading up on the Motor Vehicle Code of all the states I will pass through. All I have to do is to drive my vehicle in a safe and prudent manner and I know that I'll be within the law in every state. Why is it not the same with carrying my legally concealed handgun too? It should be. What's safe and prudent in Florida is safe and prudent in New York too.
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rikilii
Hush, was the first word you were taught...
11:14 AM on 10/20/2011
Poor Dennis.  Sam Stein and Cory Booker stole your thunder.