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Derrick Crowe

Derrick Crowe

Posted: April 4, 2010 07:05 PM

U.S. and Allied Forces: We Killed Those Pregnant Afghan Women After All

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Brave New Foundation's Rethink Afghanistan project has been following the story about a night raid in Gardez by U.S. and Afghan forces (see the video below), and today those forces made a major admission about their responsibility for civilian deaths. In a press release issued on Easter (gee, I wonder if they hoped people would be distracted today), the U.S. and allied forces under General Chrystal's command, International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), admitted they killed three innocent Afghan women, two of whom were pregnant.

KABUL, Afghanistan (Apr. 4) - A thorough joint investigation into the events that occurred in the Gardez district of Paktiya Province Feb. 12, has determined that international forces were responsible for the deaths of three women who were in the same compound where two men were killed by the joint Afghan-international patrol searching for a Taliban insurgent.

The two men, who were later determined not to be insurgents, were shot and killed by the joint patrol after they showed what appeared to be hostile intent by being armed. While investigators could not conclusively determine how or when the women died, due to lack of forensic evidence, they concluded that the women were accidentally killed as a result of the joint force firing at the men.

ISAF had already admitted they killed the two innocent men.

Recall that on March 15, ISAF's spokesperson, Rear Adm. Greg Smith, said:

"The women, I'm not sure anyone will ever know how they died." He added, however, "I don't know that there are any forensics that show bullet penetrations of the women or blood from the women." He said they showed signs of puncture and slashing wounds from a knife, and appeared to have died several hours before the arrival of the assault force. In respect for Afghan customs, autopsies are not carried out on civilian victims, he said.

Now wait just a minute. NATO has strenuously denied any cover-up in this incident while smearing journalists who challenged their initial, untrue story. Yet somehow, we've gone from knowing enough about the condition of the bodies to say that there were puncture and slashing wounds from a knife to conclusions "that the women were accidentally killed as a result of the joint force firing at the men." NATO then expects you to believe that all the bad information in this story was due to "a lack of cultural understanding by the joint force and the chain of command."

Someone please explain to me the cultural misunderstanding responsible for Smith's implication that women were killed by knife wounds when they were in fact killed by gunfire.

These are not errors of cultural understanding. They are intentional lies meant to allow someone to escape responsibility for killing three women, two of them pregnant. Smith was lying before when describing the bodies or repeating lies he was told. ISAF was perpetrating a cover-up, and Smith participated in it, either willingly or unwillingly. Until ISAF admits that they did, in fact, attempt to perpetrate a cover-up, they are still lying to you.

I said it last week and I'll say it again:

Starkey's reporting and ISAF's reaction to it shows that their natural inclination to escape accountability remains strong and operative when they think they can get away with violent mistakes under the cover of darkness.

This incident shows why it's important to push back against the ISAF/Pentagon message machine. If you want to help, a good way to start is to become a fan of Rethink Afghanistan on Facebook.

UPDATE: I want us all to do some thinking about the timeline here. According to both Jerome Starkey (who's primarily responsible for initially blowing up NATO's official story on this), and to the New York Times' Richard Oppel, someone tampered with the evidence at the scene, most likely the special operations forces conducting the raid. The tampering ranged from digging bullets out of walls to digging bullets out of people and then washing the wounds with alcohol.

Remember that survivors of the raid said that the special operations forces denied the wounded medical treatment and prevented survivors from going to get medical help for an extended period of time, during which one of the women and one of the men who were mortally wounded died.

That means special operations forces were busy digging bullets out of walls and/or people to cover their asses while the innocent people they shot bled to death.

Heads. Roll. Now. Please.

UPDATE II: In the above, I asked how ISAF went from talking about "knife wounds" to knowing about deaths from gunfire. Alive in Afghanistan's Brian Conley just emailed me with an observation that makes this all snap into place: You know what you use to dig out a bullet? A knife. Think about that for a second. While Conley thinks this shows only "the likelihood that ISAF did a sloppy job reviewing the events," I think it shows a great deal more. In light of the accusations of special operations forces digging bullets out of the bodies, somebody needs to ask Smith, on camera, who told him about knife wounds on the corpses.

 

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Brave New Foundation's Rethink Afghanistan project has been following the story about a night raid in Gardez by U.S. and Afghan forces (see the video below), and today those forces made a major admiss...
Brave New Foundation's Rethink Afghanistan project has been following the story about a night raid in Gardez by U.S. and Afghan forces (see the video below), and today those forces made a major admiss...
 
 
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motoGpifupleez
watching with amusement
01:32 PM on 04/05/2010
So, I guess "The Media" was not "makin' stuff up" when they reported the initial story?
Nice to see them not back down in the face of the "Deniers".
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01:21 PM on 04/05/2010
The Obama administration is looking for a (big) broom. . . . . .and a (big) rug.
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01:12 PM on 04/05/2010
DEAR WARMONGERS,

NOT IN MY NAME. . . . .
NOT WITH MY TAX DOLLARS. . . . . .
DO NOT SEND OUR YOUNG SONS, AND DAUGHTERS. . . .
TO MURDER INNOCENTS. . . . . IN MY NAME.

MY NAME IS AMERICAN CITIZEN.
01:20 PM on 04/05/2010
well object when spending bills come up
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FoxIslander
Fox Island...no relation to Fox News
12:06 PM on 04/05/2010
...this so called war will never be won...get out now.
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BBackSoon
Hello, I must be going.
11:51 AM on 04/05/2010
It sucks when we are forced to contemplate that we may not be the good guys in this one.
12:08 PM on 04/05/2010
"We" haven't been the good guys in any wars since - maybe - the Spanish American War. Even that one was questionable; the Maine sinking wasn't the Spaniards' doing.
ThatsTheTheWayItIs
religion, ideology, partisanship are delusional
01:10 PM on 04/05/2010
Not in my lifetime, and I was born in 1950.

BTW a GREAT read: Overthrow by Stephen Kinzer, up there with Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein.
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01:17 PM on 04/05/2010
you forgot WW2 . . ."the Big One".
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vippy
Carpe Diem!
11:19 AM on 04/05/2010
Wars are no longer about freedom but about money and greed! Do not participate in it, but then that is the only job open. What are we to do?
11:23 AM on 04/05/2010
oh stop whining
12:06 PM on 04/05/2010
Dear wdw505:
You don't like whining? Then read the last sentences of Tuchman's biography "Stilwell and the American Experience in China, 1911-45.":
"Even the Yellow River Road that Stilwell built in 1921 had disappeared twelve years later. China (or Afghanistan, for our purposes) was a problem for which there was no American solution. The American effort to sustain the status quo could not supply an outworn government with strength and stability or popular support. It could not hold up a husk nor long delay the cyclical passing of the mandate of heaven. In the end China (and as will Afghanistan) went her own way as if the Americans had never come."
The whole paragraph - too long for this venue - should be tatooed on the foreheads of the men who blithely entered into this mess expecting to come home with the skin of bin Laden and a democratic miracle in Afghanistan. These woman died for nothing.
12:06 PM on 04/05/2010
Were they ever about anything but money and greed?
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Aroon
11:09 AM on 04/05/2010
If this is true, then unborn babies were murdered! Where is the protest from Family Research Council , preachers like Robertson and politicians like Cobern & Stupak?
11:43 AM on 04/05/2010
they were not americans
11:45 AM on 04/05/2010
You won't be hearing from them as the children were not christian
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11:04 AM on 04/05/2010
The unfortunate thing about this news release is that Americans could give two sh*ts about this. They are too busy going to the mall, taking Johnny and Suzy to soccer and baseball, watching FOX news and gearing up for teabagger parades, and whatever else they do to keep from looking at the atrocities that are committed in our names. Plus, most of them will probably revel in these killings as an extension of their hate and fear, that has been instilled in them by Republicans and teabaggers.
11:24 AM on 04/05/2010
oh big deal
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masher
software engineer
11:38 AM on 04/05/2010
So why are we there? The proof that a war isn't necessary is when nobody cares.
09:57 AM on 04/05/2010
I love the U.S. military.... they are loathe to be integrated into multi-national fighting forces, but when atrocities like these are committed by American soldiers, suddenly the American soldiers are an "International" force. They try to cover-up by making their nationality "international". Such nonsense.
They must realize that nobody believes anything the military says --if the Pentagon is moving its lips, you know it's lying. No one believes a word the military says after all the lies about WMD; Jessica Lynch; Pat Tillman; the endless lies about having NOT killed innocent people in wedding processions, at checkpoints, in town squares, etc.; lies about the massacre at Nemsour Square; Blackwater lies; lies about the number of deaths caused by covering Fallijah with white phosphorous that melted innocent people to death; lies about Saddam's "involvement" in 9-11 (that was a Bush cabinet lie); Colin Powell's U.N. lies; Condi's mushroom cloud lies; lies, lies, lies. It is an endless procession of lies.
10:07 AM on 04/05/2010
yap wars do that ......always has........always will
10:11 AM on 04/05/2010
That's right. And there will always be plenty of idiots who will willfully believe what the generals say because they cannot cope with the thought that their nation has committed untold numbers of war crimes for oil.
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vippy
Carpe Diem!
11:16 AM on 04/05/2010
and especially the figures of the dead, the 13 million Vietnamese, the 6 million Iraqis.
Why not give us the real numbers. We brag about the super duper weaponry but then they don't kill many.
11:25 AM on 04/05/2010
don't live in a war zone if you don't like it
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glockman
11:46 AM on 04/05/2010
13 million Vietnamese and 6 million Iragis?

I'd like to read your sources. Could you list them for me please?
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09:45 AM on 04/05/2010
On Obama's watch?? How can it be?? Is Obama a war criminal now?
10:19 AM on 04/05/2010
laughing......it will never happen........a US president will never be even charged
10:31 AM on 04/05/2010
When he orders someone waterboarded.
09:31 AM on 04/05/2010
I'm guessing these habits were learned in IRAQ.
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CatHead
Thrown overboard 30 years ago by the system
09:14 AM on 04/05/2010
American want their special ops killers to be humane and compassionate.
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masher
software engineer
11:40 AM on 04/05/2010
Yup, and they want info-tainment, and fresh frozen, and lite desserts.

Both the GOP and the DEMs keep telling us we can have humaine war. And then they get upset with the soldiers when their stupid idea doesn't pan out.
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charleslennon
Always ready for a good fight.
01:31 PM on 04/05/2010
Negative. Relentless in duties. It's called soldiering.
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gtalkspolitics
08:59 AM on 04/05/2010
This is bad, very bad ........
08:59 AM on 04/05/2010
Way to scr*w the pooch, Special Ops!

A conspiratorial thinker would suggest that this SNAFU was intentional to make the CIC look bad.
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masher
software engineer
11:43 AM on 04/05/2010
There are always people who watch too much TV. Most conspiracy theories are based on the idea that the government is super smart and all knowing. Doubly for special ops. But nothing could be further from the truth. The fact is special ops do their best in rough situations, situations in which there is no good approach. They are now being set up to fail. And then we blame them.
08:58 AM on 04/05/2010
Way to screw the pooch, Special Ops!

A conspiratorial thinker would suggest that this SNAFU was intentional to make the COC look bad.