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First, Let's Fire All the Teachers!

Posted: 03/02/2010 4:45 pm

Imagine that you are a teacher in a high school in a high-poverty district. Many of your students don't speak English. Some don't attend school regularly because they have to earn money or babysit with their siblings while their parents are looking for work. Some come to school unprepared because they didn't do their homework.

But you are idealistic and dedicated, you work with each of the students, you do your best to teach them reading, writing, science, math, history, whatever your subject. But despite your best efforts, many of your students can't read very well (they are struggling to learn English), and many of them don't graduate. If your school eliminated all its standards, you could easily push up the graduation rate.

About 45 minutes away is another high school in a much better neighborhood. Its statistics are far better than yours. The children are almost all born in the U.S., and their parents are almost all college graduates with good jobs. Their kids don't go to school hungry, they have their own room and their own computer, and they have stellar test scores to boot. Their graduation rate is very impressive, and most of their graduates go to college.

What is to be done about the first school? President George W. Bush signed a law called "No Child Left Behind," which required constant improvement. The Obama administration wants to rename the law but they too reject any excuses for low performance and low graduation rates.

Recently, the school committee of Central Falls, Rhode Island, voted to fire all 93 members of the staff in their low-performing high school. Central Falls is the smallest and poorest city in the state, and it has only one high school. Those fired included 74 classroom teachers, plus the school psychologist, guidance counselors, reading specialists, and administrators.

Secretary of Education Arne Duncan thought this was wonderful; he said the members of the school committee were "showing courage and doing the right thing for kids." The kids apparently didn't agree because many of them came to the committee meeting to defend their teachers.

President Obama thought it was wonderful that every educator at Central Falls High School was fired. At an appearance before the U.S. Chamber of Commerce on March 1, the President applauded the idea of closing the school and getting rid of everyone in it. At the same meeting, President Obama acknowledged Margaret Spellings, who was President George W. Bush's Education Secretary, because she "helped to lead a lot of the improvement that's been taking place and we're building on."

Well, yes, the President is right; his own education reform plans are built right on top of the shaky foundation of President Bush's No Child Left Behind program. The fundamental principle of school reform, in the Age of Bush and Obama, is measure and punish. If students don't get high enough scores, then someone must be punished! If the graduation rate hovers around 50%, then someone must be punished. This is known as "accountability."

President Obama says that Central Falls must close because only 7% of the students are proficient in math, and the graduation rate is only 48%. Sounds bad, right?

But the President has saluted a high school in Providence, Rhode Island, called "The Met" whose scores are no different from the scores at Central Falls High School. At Central Falls, 55% of the kids are classified as "proficient readers," just like 55% at The Met. In math, only 7% of students at Central Falls are proficient in math, but at The Met--which the President lauds--only 4% are proficient in math. Ah, but The Met has one big advantage over Central Falls High Schools: Its graduation rate is 75.6%.

But figure this one out: How can a high school where only 4% of the students are proficient in math and only 55% are proficient readers produce a graduation rate of 75.6%? To this distant observer, it appears that the school with lower graduation standards rates higher in President Obama's eyes.

President Obama has said on several occasions that he wants to see 5,000 low-performing schools closed. So, yes, there will be plenty of teachers and principals looking for new jobs.

The question that neither President Obama nor Secretary Duncan has answered is this: Where will they find 5,000 expert principals to take over the schools that are closed? Where will they find hundreds of thousands of superb teachers to fill the newly vacant positions? Or will everyone play musical chairs to give the illusion of reform?

As it happens, Central Falls High School had seen consistent improvement over the past two years. Only last year, the State Commissioner sent in a team to look at the school and commended its improvements. It noted that the school had been burdened by frequently changing programs and leadership. With more support from the district and the state, this improvement might have continued. Instead, the school was given a death warrant.

Will it be replaced by a better school? Who knows? Will excellent teachers flock to Central Falls to replace their fired colleagues? Or will it be staffed by inexperienced young college graduates who commit to stay at the school for two years? Will non-English-speaking students start speaking English because their teachers were fired? Will children come to school ready to learn because their teachers were fired?

It would be good if our nation's education leaders recognized that teachers are not solely responsible for student test scores. Other influences matter, including the students' effort, the family's encouragement, the effects of popular culture, and the influence of poverty. A blogger called "Mrs. Mimi" wrote the other day that we fire teachers because "we can't fire poverty." Since we can't fire poverty, we can't fire students, and we can't fire families, all that is left is to fire teachers.

This strategy of closing schools and firing the teachers is mean and punitive. And it is ultimately pointless. It solves no problem. It opens up a host of new problems. It satisfies the urge to purge. But it does nothing at all for the students.

Diane Ravitch is the author of The Death and Life of the Great American School System: How Testing and Choice Are Undermining Education (Basic Books).

 
 
 

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11:02 AM on 04/25/2010
I have just stumbled upon Diane Ravitch, and am elated to find such a powerful, informed and active voice in the education debate. I attended the public schools in Kenwood, the Chicago neighborhood where the Obamas used to live. While he cast his vote at my elementary school -- Shoesmith -- he chose not to send his daughters there. Rather, they attended the private school at the University of Chicago. Although I supported him in the election, I did so with a strong sense of disappointment: He was campaigning to effect change in the entire country, but effecting change in his local elementary school, so that it would be good enough for his children, was not something he was willing to do. Arne Duncan, likewise, went to the private school at the University of Chicago. I cannot help but think that if Mr. Duncan or Mr. Obama had either gone to a public school, taught in one, or sent their kids in a to one, that they would view education reform differently. In particular, I think that they would see that the emphasis should be shifted from testing/quantification of "success" to supporting teachers in challenging schools, so that they do not need to be instructor, social worker, prison warden rolled in one.
11:39 AM on 04/04/2010
While Medicine, Banks, & Car Manufacturers are Socialized, Education is Privatized?

There's 1 reason why dems & repubs socialize everything else while privatizing public schools.

It's not "working."

So, "fire the teachers." But it's not just the poverty, it's many factors in society/culture that make learning uninteresting & unaccounted.

All have MISDIAGNOSED THE PROBLEM.

Private & charter schools "work" because of selectivity, because of consequences. Public Schools cannot hold the same consequences over children & families that private & charter schools can.

When the misdiagnosed problem ("bad teachers" in public schools? a few, but not the main problem) culminates in the radical type treatments expressed in Race to the Top and Senate Bill 6 (Florida), when public schools have been gutted by compensation schemes tied to student performance affected by factors outside of school & make it an institution where only unskilled teachers want a job, then we will see the folly of avoiding the real problem - that our culture is producing children unfit, uninterested, unaccounted for learning.

My best students are students from other countries & can't believe how slow & behind a class is to their class back in their homeland - because their families & cultures didnt allow them to slack.

A year in our culture & they're "back to normal."

The problem is misdiagnosed & the disease wont be cured by issuing laws of wrong prescriptions.

The "old" model of education is still reliable: A teacher, a student, a book, a blackboard - old but
09:30 PM on 03/27/2010
I work in an Urban midwest high school as a Spec.Ed.Teacher. My students come to school hungry, no winter coats, no lunch money and tired. We expect them to learn with No Breakfast, A bag of Hot Flaming CHeetos' and juice the nite before.
I feed them, try to find coats for them,counsel them and try to help them learn!

Then the Federal goverment tells us we are a failing school and wants to fire us! We are teachers who try and help these students. a few at a time, to get ready to learn. What a Horrible way of helping our kids!
03:28 PM on 03/21/2010
I would love to see about 10 Teachers of the Year get together for a month and see what they come up with. They are the ones who best understand how learning happens, the minds of students, and the systems within US schools. Maybe this is already happening, but it feels like people who have never been teachers have too much power in making these broad 'education reform' decisions.
02:05 AM on 03/19/2010
I agree with firing the teacher's. I am sick of hearing about how teachers are under paid ,and they have to work until 6 pm or they have to work on Saturdays...that's life. I work a heck of a lot more. If you don't like it, change professions. Don't forget that you get summers off while the rest of us have to work then too.
Testing does work. Life is one big test. If the kids can't read, write or add, they will fail life. The teachers should be tested first. I read in some posts that just because you pass the test doesn't mean you can teach. While that may be true, one other thing is also true. If you can't pass the test, you certainly can't teach.
We all know that effective teaching also involves parents. If parents don't get involved, and the kid can't pass the proper tests, they should be held back a grade, or two or three until they do know the material. I suspect a lot of those parents would get involved if their kid was held back. Standards for passing a grade should be state specific as long as they meet a minimum federal standard.
If the teachers need to teach reading and math all day long as the only subjects, then so be it. Get that going in the early grades and the rest of the school material will come along. All the rest is just talk.
03:35 PM on 03/21/2010
That is one of the most ignorant comments I have seen on education reform.

You are sick of your choice to hear from the sources you choose about teachers being underpaid and working more than 40 hour work weeks? That's you.

"Testing work work"? What does that even mean? For what ends? Do you even understand anything about how the brain works for learning?

Being held back a grade as a solution only works if the learning is happening effectively.

You are wonderfully assertive with such little experience and understanding. What a rare gift.

You in front of a class of kids = fail.
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10:00 AM on 04/11/2010
I am sure that you, with your extensive education background, know so much more than the country's leading educational scholar and former Education Secretary under President George H. W. Bush. Try following this analogy. A doctor can remove a patient's cancer, can prescribe medicine, or suggest a course of action to improve a patient's health. Ultimately though, the doctor has no control over whether the patient quits smoking, takes his meds, eats correctly, or starts an exercise program. Likewise, a teacher can teach students a new skill, demonstrate how to use it, give the students time to practice the skill, and finally test the skill. But the teacher has no control over whether or not the student does the homework, studies for tests, shows up to class on a regular basis, has a stable home life, has any disabilities, or even the motivation to care about school. Holding teachers responsible for things that are out of their control is exactly the same as holding doctors responsible for things that are beyond theirs. As for your love of testing, studies have shown that tests are unreliable indicators of student learning. In fact, the most recent study out of the University of Florida showed that a student's address is the most reliable indicator in how a student will perform on standardized testing. But please, don't let facts confuse you. I am sure that since you actually were once a student in a classroom, that you know everything there is about education.
07:38 PM on 03/18/2010
Ravitch is right,though she's done damage by coming to her position late in the game. This so called 'accountability' is a travesty,as no variables are considered other than teachers. I guess Obama and his cohort have no relationships with real competent teachers who've worked in the inner city and have a nuanced view. It is so offensive and so damaging , that it is infuriating. Rather than the generic goals, think of alternative ways that suit the population. Also, trust those in the trenches.

It reminds me of Obama's way of addressing only the big banks, and not the little man because it is the same reliance on elite for advice, with no insistence on understanding the whole picture. Thumbs down for Obama.
01:08 PM on 03/13/2010
I live in the town that borders Central Falls. I do not agree to the firing of all teachers and staff because I know how impossibly difficult their job is in CF. The town is one square mile with a population of approx. 15,000 residents, 75% of them immigrants. Most of the store signs are written in a language other than English and most of the houses are 3, 4 and 5 deckers. CF used to be a thriving mill town but with all of the jobs going overseas, it has become the poorest town in Rhode Island. To survive the parents must work two to three jobs each, leaving the kids home alone.

To me, the most important step to insure good grades and increased test scores starts at home. Parents must become involved with their children's school activities, homework and test preparation. Without this, there is only so much a teacher can do. I know a few teachers from this school who put in long days, pay for supplies out of their own pocket, try to contact parents regarding their child's absence or grades.

I not only feel bad for the fired teachers and their families, but also for the children of the schools who have formed a bond with these teachers. Maybe there should be a program where College students tutor some of the children in CF for extra credit.
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08:19 AM on 03/08/2010
You have to kick the punk kids out. Otherwise - forget it.

If you have high school aged kids who can't do 3rd grade math -- then either fire every teacher who passed that kid up the ladder to high school, or kick the kid out of school.

You have kids who are violent, disruptive, and stupid, who are making it impossible for the other kids to learn. Kick those kids out. Give them a cell in DOC now if they want -- that's where they are going anyway.
03:34 PM on 03/07/2010
Here is the text of my email to the president. I also called my senators and representative.

"Dear Mr. President,

If the best of us aren't safe, why should any of us become teachers? I was
at work until six o'clock on Friday. Yesterday, Saturday, I graded essays
for three hours. I'll do the same today. I worked a six day week this
week. I do that often. I research and plan for much of the summer. I am
not compensated for that. I also work in a district with extreme social
problems. Too many of our students don't do well. Your endorsement of the
Central Falls, RI nuclear option is not only profoundly wrong for public
schools in general... it threatens my family. Right now, smart people
should avoid the profession. The Democratic Party has lost my membership
and you have lost my vote.

While I agree teachers should be held accountable, to do so without
holding anyone else accountable is nothing more than political
scapegoating. All the electorate hears right now is that teachers are the
problem.

How politically expedient."

My exasperation is boundless. If this were France, every teacher in the country would strike for a day or two to send a strong message. If only.
03:25 PM on 03/07/2010
I have been teaching in high needs urban schools for 18 years, and this is the first time I have seriously thought of going to a private school or a high performing public school. By all measures, I am an effective teacher, and I only want to teach the kids that need good teachers most. However, I can't afford to put my job on the line by continuing to teach the kids I teach (don't come to school, fail tests badly, don't do homework). i voted for Obama, and yet he seems poised to do untold damage to the public education system, starting with losing good teachers like me and my colleagues. He and Duncan need to humble themselves and start listening to people who understand what teaching is.
10:25 AM on 03/10/2010
You are so right!! I wrote to President Obama about this He is adding another problem he doesn't need....and Arne Duncan is no help as he is so limited in his educational views. Yes, they need to listen to people in the profession, not politicians like William Bennet for example. I taught English in an iner city school for 25 years, so I know what goes on in schools. These politicians do not, and as for the "urge to urge" as Ravitch terms it, that could apply more to Congress than to teachers !!
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01:36 PM on 03/07/2010
Whether the decision to fire or not fire was correct, it did put a bright light on a real problem on the issue of education. So, try and look at this from a different perspective: If the teachers are the problem, then why keep them. If students are the problem, then will the parents care enough to speak up and say that they were not focused on this before. If the educational cirriculum is the problem, then is that the problem of the State Board of Education's guidelines. If the local school principal who allowed the standards at their schools to not be met, should they be held responsible.


Some will say that every school is different, so each should manage their own "unique" problems. The number of problems v. number of schools doesn't make sense.

Privatization is not the answer, it just hides the problems for a while. So look at the successes and use them as a guide. Some who are "qualified to teach" may not be capable of interacting with students.

So don't loose the opportunity currently provided to improve education, quit the fingerpointing. Educators who know how to do there job need to be kept in place and those incapable of teaching need to re-evaluate their abilities. Time for all involved in education need to pull their heads out of the sand and practicing the show up and get paid....there in lies the insanity.
12:13 PM on 03/07/2010
As a middle school math teacher, I can only talk about my outrage at the philosophy behind standardized math tests. Here in California, tests are not set up to test what a student knows, but to trick them. Every question on the CST contains the correct answer and the three most common wrong answers. So if a second grader gets all but 1 of the questions right that check for mastery of, say, multiplication facts, and absent-mindedly gets 5 for the answer to 3 times 2, 5 will be an answer choice. If that answer were not there, the student would be forced to rethink what she did, and realize it was just a momentary lapse, and then redo the problem and get the right answer. Even a standardized test can be constructed to be a learning experience, but all ETS and the California Department of Ed want to do is trick our kids into lower scores. Believe it or not, sometimes children lose focus, even during a high-stakes test. Imagine that!!!
10:39 AM on 03/06/2010
Most states schedule assessment testing for Feb/ early March. Not only do we teach in the conditions described, we are forced to test mastery of a year's worth of curriculum less than 2/3 of the way into the school year. Don't suggest we aren't forced to teach to the test in at least some form when our year to teach academic skills is arbitrarily shortened by the test used to penalize the inability to do so effectively. Yes, we DO teach critical thinking, problem solving, application and analysis, but it is ludicrous to ignore teaching these skills takes more time when faced with the challenges noted. We choose to teach in Title I schools, and to hold students accountable for mastering the standards. We hold high expectations for students and refuse to arbitrarily graduate them for the sake of numbers and job security. This is done because we hold 'in the students best interest' as an ideal to be honored, and yet we are penalized for it. NCLB has failed more students than it can ever pretend to assist, and I feel intense disappointment in Obama's preference to maintain such a flawed approach to education. We are robbed of true instructional time daily, time to make a true difference in our students' lives and a real chance at academic success. It's time to address the real problem and acknowledge the realities of education today.
05:24 PM on 03/05/2010
Diane Ravitch had the right response to the firing of an entire school system She said it was mean and pointless....true...punishing the whole barrel instead of a few rotten apples...doesn;t make sense at all.There had to be some good, conscientious teachers on that staff...there always are. I think Diane mentioned also that being a real teacher is sort of an innate quality or gift that one has...and I think Frank McCourt, The Teacher Man, said it best, our schools are run by a bureaucracy and the further away one gets from the classroom the more that person gets in pay, and privileges. Teachers yes need to be accountable, but they also need imvolvement in running the schools besides teaching in the classroom.
04:53 PM on 03/05/2010
This past week the NYCDOE mistakenly sent out a letter to parents telling them that their schools are failing and the have the option to transfer. Ooops!!! among these was Edward R. Murrow High School in Brooklyn a school with one of the highest graduation rates in the city. If a teacher had mistakenly sent out letters to parents saying their students were failing then I'm sure that teacher would have a letter in their file or worse. Where is the accountability for Mayor Bloomberg and Chancellor Klein? Maybe they could get down from their high horses for a few minutes maybe they would realize that their policies aren't working. They spin the data constanly to improve their perception and blame everyone else but themselves. It is a real demoralizing time to be a teacher. O wish I could go back 15 years and change my career.