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Diane Tucker

Diane Tucker

Posted: September 15, 2008 04:51 AM

Former Colombia Foreign Minister Argues For An Extension Of Tough U.S. Drug Plan And Free Trade, Supports McCain


Colombia became a hot topic last week as Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez expelled US ambassador Patrick Duddy, and then welcomed two supersonic Tu-160 bombers to his Libertador airfield. This marks the first time Russian strategic bombers have ventured into the Western hemisphere since the Cold War -- a ballsy move that will culminate in joint naval maneuvers between Russian and Venezuelan warships in Caribbean waters come November.

The drama unfolding in Venezuela highlights America's dependence on its staunchest ally in the region: Colombia, the South American country that for many still conjures up images of cocaine kingpin Pablo Escobar, and roving armies of cold-blooded kidnappers.

But that was then, and this is now: Escobar is dead, Colombia is our largest supplier of fresh cut flowers (up to 28 cargo planes a day carry flowers to the US), and it is now safe enough for Hollywood to be filming two Escobar bio-pics on location in Medellin -- once considered one of the most dangerous cities in the world.

Colombia's progress has been immense, yet challenges remain. Terrorist and para-military groups operating within the country have been severely weakened but not defeated, and cocaine continues to be Colombia's largest cash crop.

Since 2000, Plan Colombia, a brainchild of the Clinton Administration, has been funneling billions of dollars into Colombia to help defeat the FARC, the Marxist guerrilla terrorists who finance their operation through narco-trafficking and kidnapping. In 2000, the FARC abducted Fernando Araujo Perdomo, Colombia's former economic development minister. After being held captive for six years in the jungle, Araujo made a daring escape on New Year's Eve, 2006. Most recently he served as Colombia's foreign minister.

Araujo spoke this week with OffTheBus about Plan Colombia, the US presidential election, and the pending U.S./Columbia Free Trade Agreement -- a controversial accord that puts John McCain and Barack Obama on opposite sides of the argument.


What is the nature of U.S. support for Plan Columbia today? Would you like to see it change?

Fernando Araujo Perdomo: U.S. support for Plan Colombia is positive. But difficulties occur when Congress trims down the budget, looking for Colombia to contribute more. The foundation of Plan Colombia is the principle of shared responsibility: consuming countries and producing countries working as a team to fight illegal drugs. Although if we compare the U.S. contribution with the contribution of the European Union, where cocaine consumption is very high, we see that the European commitment is minimal. They have no conscience, or they aren't interested in how the consumption of drugs in their countries affects Colombia. For us, the problem is dramatic because drug traffickers finance terrorists who threaten to destroy our democracy. Their money distorts our economy, creating inflation and tax dodgers. The incalculable fortunes they generate corrupt all sectors of our society, causing enormous moral damage.

I would like to see North American authorities pledge greater commitment to prevention campaigns that deter consumption and put greater pressure on domestic groups that sell illegal drugs.

Is there any evidence that we're winning the war on drugs in Colombia?

It's very difficult to establish parameters by which to measure victory. For me, it's clear that drug trafficking is on the decline and that its influence in Colombian society has diminished. But it is possible that it has moved to other places where it is easier for drug traffickers to undergo their illicit activities without the danger of possible action by the Colombian government or the government of the United States. Many times I've asked myself, "How many hectares of cocaine would we have in Colombia without Plan Colombia?" The answer scares me.

Aerial fumigation of illegal crops is part of Plan Colombia, but it's controversial due to the environmental damage it causes. What is your perspective?

This year we anticipate the fumigation of 150,000 hectares and the manual eradication of 100,000 hectares. Manual eradication is very dangerous due to the presence of terrorist groups that protect the plantations and bury land mines to kill the eradicators. But as military control improves in plantation zones, manual eradication will be increased. For now, aerial fumigation remains very necessary.

In 2006, U.S. aid to Colombia was $641 million for military/police, $138 million for economic and social programs, and $82 million for military/non-police. How would you like to see these figures change in 2009?

I do not share the priorities passed by Congress for 2008 and 2009. The fight is between the U.S. administration, which wants to reinforce military programs to eradicate cocaine harvests and eliminate money-laundering, and the Democratic majority within Congress, which wants to place more emphasis on social programs. Both fronts are necessary, but I don't think we should reduce the military part, because drug traffickers do not respect any law and only care about their own fortunes.

You have said Colombians will support the winner of the U.S. presidential election because, regardless of who wins, you must work together if Colombia is going to continue to develop a democracy. Who do you think is going to win?

I think Senator McCain will probably win because what North Americans value most is security, stability and experience, and that personifies McCain.

Then how do you perceive a female vice-president?

A female vice-president is a step forward in the right direction because it reflects the American community. However, advancement does not come without great struggle.

How do you perceive an African-American president?

Being African-American shouldn't have any weight in an election. But it is a change compared to what has occurred in the U.S. in the past. If you add to that the inexperience of the candidate, some voters may believe the risk is too great.

Which U.S. election issues are most important for Colombians?

Most important for Colombia is the continuation of support for our democracy -- to continue the fight against drug trafficking and violence, to continue social programs and Plan Colombia, and to obtain approval of the Free Trade Agreement.

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Trade is always a thorny subject during an election. America's free-trade policies are falling into even sharper relief this election because falling housing prices and the dropping stock market are creating feelings of job insecurity, according to John Bussey, Washington Bureau Chief of the Wall Street Journal.

Last year, trade with Colombia reached $18 billion. The U.S./Colombia Free Trade Agreement would further open this growing economy to American goods and services by making over 80 percent of U.S. exports duty-free immediately.

John McCain supports the U.S./Colombia accord. He believes the FTA would create new jobs in both countries, and effectively extend U.S. foreign policy. "The stability of Colombia is more critical than ever as others in the region seek to turn Latin America away from democracy and away from our country," said McCain.

Barack Obama opposes the U.S./Colombia trade deal.

"The violence against unions in Colombia makes a mockery of the very labor protections we have insisted be included in these kinds of agreements," said Obama. He is referring to more than 2,000 union members who have been murdered in Colombia since 1991. By withholding approval, Obama is hoping to pressure the Colombian government to work harder to protect union members from violence. Obama also wants to evaluate the details lurking within the 1,000-page document to understand fully how they affect American workers already facing a surging trade deficit with China and the increasing loss of jobs to countries such as India.

Columbian president Alvaro Uribe Velez will visit Washington, D.C. from September 17-21 to push hard for the FTA. Despite his efforts, no one expects ratification before the election in November.

NOTE: The interview with Fernando Araujo was conducted in Spanish and appears here as translated by the author. Spanish version below.

This week OffTheBus is publishing a variety of stories that cover the presidential election from an international perspective.


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OTB: ¿Cual es la naturaleza del apoyo Estado unidense al plan de Colombia en estos dias? De que manera le gustaria a usted que fuera si hubiera un cambio?

El apoyo de las autoridades norteamericanas al Plan Colombia es positivo. Las dificultades se presentan en el Congreso que ha venido recortando todos los anos los aportes, buscando que cada vez mas el presupuesto colombiano tenga una mayor participacion. Pero la base del Plan Colombia es el principio de "responsabilidad compartida". Los paises consumidores y los paises productores deben trabajar en equipo para combatir la droga. Sin embargo, si comparamos los aportes del Plan Colombia con los de la Union Europea, en donde el consumo de cocaina es muy alto, vemos que el compromiso europeo es minimo y que en terminos generales las autoridades europeas no prestan una atencion adecuada a este problema. No tienen conciencia, o no se interesan por la forma como nos afecta, a los paises productores, el consumo de la droga en sus paises. Para nosotros en cambio el problema es dramatico porque, ademas de los problemas de salud publica que representa su consumo, el narcotrafico financia a los terroristas que destruyen nuestra democracia y sus dineros distorsionan nuestra economia, creando inflacion e informalidad fiscal, y causando un enorme perjuicio moral, producto de las fortunas incalculables que se generan y que corrompen a todas las capas de la sociedad.

Un mayor compromiso de las autoridades norteamericanas se puede dar en su frente interno con campanas de prevencion para evitar el consumo y con una mayor presion sobre los grupos internos que la comercializan.

¿Hay alguna exidencia que estamos ganando la guerra contra las drogas en Colombia?

Es muy dificil establecer parametros para medir la victoria en ese campo. Para mi es claro que el narcotrafico se encuentra en decadencia y que su influencia en la sociedad colombiana ha disminuido ostensiblemente. Pero es posible que se esten trasladando a otros lugares en donde les resulte mas facil desarrollar su actividad ilicita sin el peligro que les representa la accion del gobierno colombiano, con el apoyo del gobierno de los Estados Unidos. Muchas veces me he preguntado ¿cuantas hectareas de coca tendriamos en Colombia, sin el Plan Colombia? La respuesta me asusta.

¿Con respecto a la Controversia de fumigacion area a las cosechas ilegal les de drogas, cual es su perspectiva?

Para 2008, se prevee la fumigacion de 150.000 hectareas y la erradicacion manual de 100.000 hectareas. El problema es que la erradicacion manual es muy peligrosa por la presencia de los grupos terroristas que protegen las plantaciones y colocan minas antipersonas que matan a los erradicadores. En la medida en que se va mejorando el control militar de las zonas de plantaciones se aumenta la erradicacion manual. Pero la fumigacion aerea sigue siendo muy necesaria.

¿La ayuda de Estados Unidos a Colombia en 2006 fue quebrantada (en millones) $641 militares-policia, $138 en economia y programas sociales, $82 para policia no militar. Le gustaria a usted que esto cambiara en 2009?

No dispongo de los valores aprobados por el Congreso para el 2008 y el 2009. Aqui la lucha es entre el gobierno que quiere fortalecer los programas militares para la erradicacion de los cultivos, y el control a la comercializacion y al lavado de dineros y la mayoria democrata del Congreso que quiere darle mas enfasis a los programas sociales. Ambos frentes son necesarios, pero para mi no se puede descuidar la parte militar porque el narcotrafico no respeta ninguna ley y solo busca su enriquecimiento.

¿A quien apoya usted en la Eleccion presidencial en los Estados Unidos?

Creo que ganara Mc Cain, porque lo que mas valoran los Norteamericanos es: seguridad, estabilidad, experiencia. Eso lo personifica McCain.

¿Como percibe usted a una candidata mujer para Vice Presidente?

Una mujer de Vicepresidente es un paso adelante en la direccion correcta. Es el estilo del pueblo americano. Se avanza sin grandes sobresaltos.

¿Como percibe usted a un Afro Americano para la presidencia?

La condicion de Afro Americano no deberia tener ningun peso en una eleccion. Pero es un cambio frente a lo que ha sucedido en el pasado. Y si a ese cambio se le suma la inexperiencia del candidato, finalmente el votante encontrara que el riesgo es muy grande.

¿Que asuntos en la elecciones Estado unidense son mas importante para los Colombianos?

Lo mas importante para Colombia es la continuacion de la politica de apoyo a nuestra democracia. Seguir con los planes de lucha contra la droga y la violencia y el apoyo a los programas de desarrollo social. El Plan Colombia, la aprobacion del TLC, el comercio bilateral, las inversiones.

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Colombia became a hot topic last week as Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez expelled US ambassador Patrick Duddy, and then welcomed two supersonic Tu-160 bombers to his Libertador airfield. This marks t...
Colombia became a hot topic last week as Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez expelled US ambassador Patrick Duddy, and then welcomed two supersonic Tu-160 bombers to his Libertador airfield. This marks t...
 
 
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12:44 PM on 10/02/2008
I live in Colombia. Travel is safer. That does not mean Plan Colombia works or the FTA needs passing. Araujo failed to mention Colombia also failed in their contribution fighting drugs. The rich gained under Uribe. He has improved Colombia’s image but has failed to get the people strengthening their country, especially the rich who refuse to sacrifice. A US State Department report shows increases of extrajudicial murders by Colombian security forces. A UN report shows 27% drug increase. Many Colombians state that the drug trade continues because the rich make money from the drugs and in the fight against it. Republicans want passage of the FTA because the country showed progress in reducing the murders of union members. Even with the decrease Colombia continues to lead the world in deaths of union members with less than a 3% arrest rate. Murders are on the rise again. More union members have been murdered in 2008 than in 2007. The majority of murders attributed to the government-linked paramilitary. Corruption is rampant within the government. I have witnessed as much as 80% of public money disappearing within a government project. A US union group visiting Colombia that in one area only 18% of the funded money actually reached its end point. The Council on Hemispheric Affairs states Colombia failed to strengthen institutions to protect the rights of the people. Numerous human rights groups call Plan Colombia a failure. Many working stiff Colombians are against the FTA claiming it benefits the rich.
12:28 PM on 09/22/2008
...As an American citizen born in in Colombia and with family throughout Colombia, I have more knowledge and direct experience about Colombia's condition. It is amazing that your type ignore the fact that Uribe's government enjoys a 85% support from Colombians even after 6 years of government and that is because he has accomplished what none of the other prior governments were able to do. The previous government of Pastrana which followed the path of chamberlain during world war II gave the terrorist comunist FARC land the size of Switzerland in exchange for peace. What FARC did is take advange of the situation to strengthen themselves and increase violence, destroy the economy, make foreign investment leave for fear, tourism dissapeared, GNP growth went bad, unemployment went over 20%, crime went rampant, etc and the number of annual displaced went to 450, 000. Uribe made Colombia come out of this abysm to what it is now - 2007 GNP of 7.5%, annual displaced reduced to 100,000, tourism increased to 1.5 million, unemployment reduced to 11%, crime and insecurity reduced buy 60%, 2007 foreign investment a new high of $10 billion and best of all eliminate many of the FARC leaders and made them only operate in the remote jungle areas by the Ecuadorean and Venezuelan border. Yes, that is the reason why Uribe enjoys a 85% approval rating the highest among the world's presidents.
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Dan Kovalik
03:08 PM on 09/18/2008
Thanks for this great article, Diane. The strong links of Bush & McCain to the repressive Colombian regime are of great concern. In a related story, President Bush will be hosting Colombian President Alvaro Uribe at the White House this weekend even as the deep connection between his government and the death squads continue to be exposed. I just posted a story on this very subject. You may wish to check it out: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-kovalik/as-colombian-president-co_b_127228.html
10:56 AM on 09/18/2008
All these "Trade agreements" with the South American countries., Columbia being the latest, are really part of the Hemisphere-wide "Union" that GW Bush was dead set on bringing about as his "legacy." The Free Trade Area of The Americas was derailed by Birchers and trade Unionists. The unionists saw it as an exploitation of workers, while the John Birchers saw it as the emerging Western Hemisphere's version of the European Union. Bureaucrats instead of elected representatives of the people deciding how things will be run. Super globalists don't like roadblocks placed in their way and "people's representatives" like Congressmen need to be replaced with stooges called bureaucrats. Bush has been relegated to forming his un-American "Union" via the slower process of one nation at a time or a few nations at a time like the CAFTA agreement. His plan is at a stand still and he expects his stooge McCain to pick up where he left off in pushing FTAA.
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Pdubya
08:11 AM on 09/18/2008
we don't have free trade. we have managed trade - corporatism. ah, long be the day until we do return to free trade. the drug industry IS managed trade. the only difference between the two candidates is guns or butter. and that difference is not that starke. mccain? probably will escalate military action against iran. obama? probably will escalate military action against afganistan and pakistan. if we wanted to fix the problem of drugs - the mechanism that helps enact our monetary policy (no difference between the candidates there) is drugs. i'm for a non-interventionism foreign policy and a change in monetary policy: that is why i am supporting a third party candidate. we could then spend our billions here in the U.S. to address decriminalization of marijuana and social education to address the demand problem of cocaine and heroin. i wonder if the CIA would be interested in this...???. ha.
09:10 AM on 09/17/2008
I mistrust anything the Bush admin. says. Free Trade, and military aid in the same bundle?
02:31 AM on 09/17/2008
I live in Colombia and I can tell you that Obama's opposition to the free trade agreement has created here a big wave of support for Mccain. As you know, there are big communities of colombians in states like New Jersey or Florida, and his opposition can be causing him troubles there. His main argument, the violence against unions, is a little bit weak because the reduction of the killings and kidnappings of union leaders has been inmense (from more than 200 killings in 2000 to 27 in 2007).

There is another point that democrats may not have seen: Colombia already has an open market in the US, because of the ATPDEA. So the FTA would in fact just open the Colombian market to the US. I hope that the agreement will be sign by Obama, when he looks at the benefits. Anyway, go OBAMA-BIDEN.
07:33 PM on 09/17/2008
The darnest thing about the democratic party they are just too many groups to please. Compare the republicans, they have at the class level only two to deal with, rich and poor. There is no middle class they got rid of those years ago. The other factors racist red - necks in both class levels of the rich and poor That is it.

The democrats politicians have more A$$ to kiss than the "ladies of the night" on their evening shift on the street. Our party gets all the left overs. The various countries ethnicity with possible 150 countries each in their on group plus that group is divided by different religions. Those group have more divide. that is not counting the rich and poor in each of those groups.

If Obama win, it is more of a miracle before all of our eyes. There is just to many dam@ group buttocks to kiss. Every day new groups form. the puma's the environmental, the republicans say NO, kiss my buttocks, or go over to the democrats they will take you, we don' want you or need you unless you have money. Every time I read another group bu$$ we have to kiss for their vote, I am ready to go without a label period.
10:59 PM on 09/16/2008
McCain puts country first, and that country is Colombia!
09:15 PM on 09/16/2008
Colombia is one of the few foreign policy venues that the Bush administration didn't screw up because they stuck to the game plan developed by the Clinton administration. The Colombians took advantage of the aid and expertise to build a first-rate military, and as soon as the Venezuelans and Ecuadoreans stop giving sanctuary to the FARC guerillas, this 40-year insurgency will be over and done with. Then the Colombians can help the U.S. put the squeeze on Hugo Chavez and his crooked officer corps, who've discovered how much more money they can make by running Colombian drugs to Africa and Europe.
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Tricia Ellis Christensen
04:21 PM on 09/16/2008
It's a great piece, but it's really clear how Perdomo feels about Obama with the quote about him having too little experience. On the one hand, the nomination of Palin is seen as a step forward, and Perdomo is not worried about her experience if she becomes president? But he does worry a lot about Obama's experience. Do you think he got a talking points memo from the McCain campaign?
11:23 PM on 09/16/2008
I don't think he has much of a clue as to the straights that we are in here. How McC will jeapordise our Social Security and Healthcare (they will reinvent the plan and we will have to pay for it all ourselves and be taxed), how children's healthcare is being overlooked, the Wall St greed which is more than annoying, John and his wealthy wife are totally out of touch with the middle class. How can you reconcile with a Senator who thinks that "average" is someone with $5million. I am sure the uppper echelon of Columbia are getting fat on American dollars and are also out of touch - and that's our tax money folks.
WAKE UP PEOPLE
OBAMA-BIDEN '08
01:45 PM on 09/16/2008
Why do we care who this minister backs? Isn't there separation of church and state???
Keep your choice to yourself.
09:34 PM on 09/16/2008
Your separation mythology is only in your mind. Try reading the constitution! Or just read anything leads to education which leads to security in one's self worth and away from small minded comments!
07:37 PM on 09/17/2008
His not that kind of minister.

By the way, Gordon Brown of Great Britain is called a PM or Prime Minister of the UK or United Kingdom.

another poster person of no child who was left behind.
12:56 PM on 09/16/2008
Good post.

Plan Colombia has had mixed results. On the one hand, it has helped in many ways eradicate many of the coca growing regions and dimiinished the FARC's power. But, on the other hand, it has created some environmental nightmares for those that were sprayed with herbacide and the eradication of environmental plants, animals, and organism.
11:10 AM on 09/16/2008
As conceived under presidents Pastrana and Clinton, Plan Colombia was not designed just to stamp out FARC but also took aim at the ELN and the paramilitary death squads who also are notorious narco-guerrillas). It was five-fold strategy: Support for Human Rights and Judicial Reform (anti-corruption); Expansion of Counter-Narcotics Operations into Southern Colombia or what used to be called Farc-landia, and helping peasants displaced by conflict there; Alternative Economic Development for non-narcotic crops; Increased Interdiction- mostly radar upgrades, and Assistance for the Colombian National Police.

Under Bush, this bloated its budget and mutated. It became more about US contractors getting more military access.
The politician you interviewed, who managed to escape his FARC kidnappers after years in the jungle, had resigned after being linked with a corrupt land deal and has not been cleared yet. Of course he is belatedly pro Law and Order and Establishment, having been appointed to his ministerial position by the conservative President, Alvaro Uribe.
Power is everything in Latin America and elsewhere. Obama is right to point at the government treachery in Bogota and its lack of protection for labor unions in Colombia. This is a sideshow to the big picture, and our new President should not sign off on business as usual with rightwing leaders before examining the implications
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Diane Tucker
09:53 PM on 09/16/2008
Are you referring to the "Chambacu affair?" If so, in 1999 allegations were raised by Semana Magazine that Araujo and other officials were involved in an illegal land deal, in the Chambacu district of Cartagena. Araujo was in the process of clearing his name when he was kidnapped by the FARC in 2000. In fact, the FARC claimed they kidnapped Araujo as a form of "people's justice." But that was just a pretext. The Chambacu allegations were thoroughly investigated by the Colombian courts, and Araujo was found innocent of all charges in 2003.

If you are referring to some other charge, please let us know and I will run it to ground. Thank you for reading!
02:01 PM on 09/18/2008
That's the one. "In the process of clearing his name" and then snatched from a jogging trail in Cartagena...had not heard that he was pardoned in