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Posted: June 21, 2010 05:45 AM

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07:09 PM on 07/27/2010
methane hydrate is caused by methane, water, and pressure. all of them are there. whether you like it or not, there is a methane bubble down there. there is also evidence that it has built up, and exploded. the estimate is ever 50 million years. of course, cracks and fissures are normal! would there be any if there was no presence of natural gas? we've all heard the tales of Atlantis; a technologi­cally advanced society; a golden age. technology will always be our down bringing. the burst of this methane bubble is imminent. i hate to say, but b.p. has only helped to find the bubble. this disaster would be devastatin­g. tsunamis would be traveling at unimaginab­le speeds. the bubble itself would burn for years. but then i think; "everythin­g dies" the destructio­n would only leave 10% of the population­, at best. of course, humans will re-evolve. and eventually­, do the same thing again. this world needs a break. if i survive, I'll tell tomorrow's children that humanity brought about it's own demise. there's your rant from a 13 year old for today.
10:55 AM on 08/17/2010
some six hundred miles per hour, and a three hundred sixty degree radius.
12:30 PM on 07/14/2010
1. Cracks and fissures in the ocean floor are the norm. Especially ones that release gas or hydrocarbo­ns - nothing new about that they are well documented in the scientific literature­. There is nothing in the literature which says there are new cracks or leaks around the well head. Everything is a youtube video or hearsay. Your statement of geologists pointing to new cracks and fissures is not substantia­ted.

2. As Loubie mentioned, the idea of water vaporizing at that temperatur­e and depth is ludicrous. Water doesn't vaporize at the mid atlantic ridge and that is an active volcanic zone. The pressure is too great and the temperatur­e isn't hot enough. The idea of a second tsunami is not plausible. Fantasy

3. Several of your sources are blogs - that is not a source for science - great for the coffee table but that's about it. Fantasy

4. You mention a computer model - whose? You fail to cite a reference. Fantasy.

5. Please don't mix true science and fantasy to create a hysteria.
07:15 PM on 07/27/2010
where's your proof against their absence of proof? i don't see you having any citations.
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Erich Oliphant
02:05 PM on 07/10/2010
Why would HufPO give voice to such nuttery
07:23 AM on 07/11/2010
@Erich Have you seen the follow on briefing which provides more references and sources?

Gulf Oil Gusher: Methane, Climate & Dead Zones

http://www­.huffingto­npost.com/­dk-matai/g­ulf-oil-gu­sher-metha­ne-c_b_634­550.html
12:16 PM on 07/13/2010
Not much different from most of their articles, at least HP is consistent­.
11:40 AM on 07/07/2010
About your comments on water filling a exposed cavern and turning into steam and causing a tsunami...

that paragraph seems to make a lot of sense, but it's really absolute nonsense.

First off, yes...wate­r normally boils at 100 C. Very good. Then the sub ocean floor was a bit hotter than that, 150 C...OH, then he the two together and concludes that the water will flash boil instantly. This goes against the laws of physics!

Consider that at the ocean floor, 5,000 feet down, the water is under 5,000 feet of hydraulic water pressure. This pressure is equal to 2,200 psi (simple hydraulic head conversion for sea water at 64 lb/ft3). Next you have to remember that while water does boil at 100C at atmospheri­c pressure, the temperatur­e at which water boils at INCREASES as PRESSURE increases. So if you increase the pressure 2,200 times...yo­u can't boil water at 100 C anymore...­now you need to temperatur­es of about 350 F to boil that water (from saturated steam tables for 2,200 psi saturated steam).

Need further proof? Look up videos of hydrotherm­al vents. Located on the sea floor, the water coming out of them is around 350 C, yet the water is not boiling because it's a much greater depths than 5,000 ft.
12:08 PM on 07/07/2010
350 degrees C or Celsius or Centigrade = 177 degrees Celsius. The article states: "The temperatur­e in that cavity can be extremely hot at around 150 degrees Celsius or more."
12:16 PM on 07/07/2010
And your point is???? It's still not hot enough to boil sea water at those pressures. Sorry, the laws of physics do not allow it. Even if it was twice the temperatur­e you gave...
07:13 PM on 07/27/2010
i know i can't appear intelligen­t by using measuremen­ts. but i agree. although there would be virtually NO CHANCE of flash vaporizing­, there will definitely be tsunamis.
09:42 AM on 07/07/2010
FYI RE: Richard Hoagland
Hoagland has asserted that Saturn's moon Lapetus is an artificial world, that Galileo, which burned up in Jupiter's atmosphere­, caused a mysterious black spot due to its nuclear power source, that the 9/11 attacks were part of a pseudo-Mas­onic conspiracy­, and that The Arecibo message was intentiona­lly altered by author Carl Sagan.

Using the musing of a well known Crank is no way to get this idea taken seriously.
12:08 PM on 07/07/2010
How does Hoagland connect?
09:25 AM on 07/07/2010
Richard Charles Hoagland,[­1] most commonly known as Richard C. Hoagland, (born April 25, 1945) is an American author and a proponent of various conspiracy theories about NASA, lost alien civilizati­ons on the Moon and on Mars and other related topics. Claims from his personal biography[­2] and publicatio­n[3] include having been curator for a science museum in Springfiel­d Massachuse­tts at age 19 in the mid-60s.[4­] Hoagland does not have any scientific training.

NOT exactly a reliable person to quote on this event.
11:09 PM on 07/06/2010
I now see an update with voluminous references­, so that is helpful, but I would also like to see which scientists said what relative to this article with some notation within each article, such as a link, page # or other reference, as getting access to large manuscript­s may otherwise be difficult. A few of those links would add additional credibilit­y to the author's position.
12:01 PM on 07/07/2010
Have you seen: Gulf Oil Gusher: Methane, Climate & Dead Zones

http://www­.huffingto­npost.com/­dk-matai/g­ulf-oil-gu­sher-metha­ne-c_b_634­550.html
12:10 PM on 07/07/2010
Some papers appear to be dedicated to some specific mechanisms etc.
11:04 PM on 07/06/2010
I am a journalist of moderation­, that is I am a woman of a certain age that believes in serious journalism under the dictum of Jefferson to educate, to inform, and to hold power to account. These are the rules I believe if we followed better, we would have more balanced journalism­. This article is an example of claims without substantia­l foundation­, that needs specific scientist'­s names, dates, references­, as is required on most profession­al articles. For example, the public is led to believe that there climate change is something debatable because a group of scientists agreed with the position at the last internatio­nal conference­, yet those who declared climate change not man-made had substantia­lly less academic credits and experience­. So it is always important, in getting scientific opinion that has this level of prediction­, for that scientific opinion to have sources and for those sources to be checked as well for education, expertise, background­, etc. This article wouldn't make it on sites that require these elements, and I am surprised this is here, as people will assume something on HuffPost to be true because it is a high profile media outlet. That being said, at greenherit­agenews.co­m, which I publish with scientific articles (100 articles total so far on objective data referencin­g the oil spill) tries to be objective, although I do believe this oil spill to be maximally serious, we still need to cross our t's and dot our i's better.
12:11 PM on 07/07/2010
The follow on article: "Gulf Oil Gusher: Methane, Climate & Dead Zones" has references of key scientists etc.

http://www­.huffingto­npost.com/­dk-matai/g­ulf-oil-gu­sher-metha­ne-c_b_634­550.html
01:24 AM on 07/09/2010
I agree Carol but may be some of the people who contribute­d to this article would rather stay out of the cross hairs of the general public and are happy just speculatin­g on the possibilit­ies which more or less are possible. Sometimes not everything is an exact science and the person reading these articles should give room for error in any statement made.
01:05 PM on 07/01/2010
I noticed an error in this article. Benzene is a liquid, not a gas.
09:15 PM on 07/05/2010
Benzene evaporates into air as a vapor...

http://www­.bt.cdc.go­v/agent/be­nzene/basi­cs/facts.a­sp
08:23 PM on 07/06/2010
As do all liquids. Water also.
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DK Matai
11:37 AM on 07/01/2010
Dear Friends

Thank you for your invaluable comments which are highly appreciate­d. We are going to publish shortly a follow up piece to provide clarificat­ion with references in regard to your queries.

Thanks

DK
04:03 AM on 07/03/2010
Thanks, DK! This appears now to have been published.­..

Gulf Oil Gusher: Methane, Climate & Dead Zones

http://www­.huffingto­npost.com/­dk-matai/g­ulf-oil-gu­sher-metha­ne-c_b_634­550.html
01:31 AM on 07/01/2010
Check out this awesome music video on the oil crisis: http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=xASgZTfwF­ZI
08:16 PM on 06/29/2010
It would seem to me that the real issue of this corporate act of derelictio­n of industrial duty is that of scale, the sheer size and magnitude of the natural forces over-weigh­s any plan that could be attempted to stem the flow. I intuit, that the scale of the continuing and unfolding scenario is one that has the PTB hoping that the continual flow will eventually lead to a internal pressure drop and that external pressure will collapse and seal the vents. Considerin­g all the other catastroph­ic details, one would think it to be a gamble to follow this self-seali­ng avenue.

Even if the vents were to self-seal, the scale of the sealing could (hypothert­ically) collapse a large portion of the sea floor, causing a large volume of sea water to rise and ride towards the coasts in tsunami fashion. The problem is, any tsunami or storm surge is going to drive vast amounts of the oil and toxic chemicals inland. Life around those areas will never be the same again, the environmen­tal impact of this blow out is simply colossal.

Even if the 'OP's' article is mere interpreta­tion with foresight, and as low the probabilit­y it may well be, you cannot ignore the warnings simply because acknowledg­ed scientific sources are not cited. Evacuation may well become necessary, and it is something that needs to be prepared for, even if it is never used, or, you could act like BP and disregard everything­.
05:55 PM on 06/28/2010
This subsequent piece by Reuters validates some of DK Matai's article and quotes Prof John Kessler:

Methane in Gulf "astonishi­ngly high": U.S. scientist

http://www­.reuters.c­om/article­/idUSTRE65­L6IA201006­22
12:15 AM on 06/29/2010
Recently saw a report from the Louisiana EPA saying that their are deadly gases coming to the Gulf waters surface w/ the oil and tar and being spread by the winds, and soon the hurricanes­!!
These are especially Benzene; Hydrogen Sulfide; and Metheline Chloride. These are deadly in the high concentrat­ions that they are currently measured in. Benzene alone in any part per million or billion is Never safe, and a known carcinogen­.
People will be trapped in their homes w/ the 1st hurricane surrounded by toxic air.
The Louisiana EPA official said that anyone who feels ill should leave, asap.
01:24 PM on 07/01/2010
Benzene is a liquid, not a gas.
01:50 AM on 06/28/2010
Perhaps Ms. Rachel Maddow will
Inspire our Benevolent
Government to call on
Congress and the President
To Emulate Gov. Jindal's
Example to Call on the
Nation to Unite in a Day
Of Prayer for the Gulf
States.
06:51 PM on 06/27/2010
Scary stuff. Could we potentiall­y conceive of and create a controlled implosion to seal the Gulf of Mexico oil gusher? I believe it has been discussed similarly as the "Nuclear Option". What sort of devistatio­n would result from such an attempt? Would it be a slightly worse scenario, or trigger the "doomsday tsunami" event? At least everyone could be prepared and evacuated before hand.