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The Patient and Disciplined Faith of the Amish

Posted: 11/06/10 06:12 AM ET

Oct. 2 marked the fourth anniversary of the tragic schoolhouse shooting in Nickel Mines, Penn., when a non-Amish neighbor unleashed his anger toward God for allowing his firstborn daughter to die nine years earlier. He shot 10 young Amish girls execution style, killing five and seriously injuring the rest before turning the gun on himself.

Within hours of the shooting, several Amish people, at their own initiative, visited the gunman's widow and his parents and offered words of grace and forgiveness. Other expressions of forgiveness by Amish people for the gunman and his family soon followed. More than half of those at his burial were Amish neighbors, some of whom had buried their own children the day before. The story of forgiveness startled the world. Why did Amish people offer almost instantaneous forgiveness in the wake of such a tragedy?

As I interviewed them after the shooting, I discovered that old-fashioned obedience explained their forgiveness. They said that they were simply obeying Jesus' instructions to love enemies and forgive transgressors. Moreover, obeying God lies at the heart of their faith.

As I talked with parents I found that obedience is also the key to Amish child rearing. While modern child rearing emphasizes individualism, independence, choice and self-actualization, the Amish accent obedience, respect for authority and cooperation with others.

When asked, "What are the most important things to teach children?" one Amish grandmother replied, "To work and to obey." These words would hardly top the list of child-rearing goals in modern households. For many of us, obedience training applies mostly to dogs. In Amish life it pertains to people, beginning with children. Amish child-rearing literature abounds with references to obedience because it's a core value of their faith. In Amish eyes, disobedience is a sin, a signpost on the road to eternal damnation.

Most Christians would agree that children should obey their parents. But Amish understandings of obedience go deeper: Church members follow church regulations such as not owning cars because compliance signals their obedience to God. By teaching their children the habits of obedience, parents point them toward heaven and safeguard them from hell.

I told Hannah, an Amish mother of seven, that many non-Amish people are astonished that Amish offspring are so quiet, well mannered and well behaved. "Why might that be?" I asked. Without hesitation or a trace of humor, she responded, "Oh, it's the spanking that makes them so nice."

Hannah explained that, when children are about two years old, their wills need to be broken. If it's not done at that stage, she said, they will likely become disobedient, rebellious adults. The spanking helps correct them and "make them nice." Another mother explained that when children learn to fold their hands at prayer time, they are old enough to be reprimanded with light spanks when disobedient.

Amish parents turn to the words of King Solomon to support corporal discipline: "He that spareth his rod hateth his son; but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes" (Proverbs 13:24). They also note that the book of Hebrews suggests that God disciplines Christians as a father disciplines a son and that such discipline yields "the peaceable fruit of righteousness" (Hebrews 12:11).

Parents are quick to say, however, that spanking and other forms of physical discipline should never be done in anger or frustration. The child should understand the reason for discipline so that "punishment ends on a happy note, sweet and forgiving," says Naomi, a mother. She adds that because correction ultimately "leads to happiness ... [discipline] must be the result of our love for the child's happiness, both now and in the hereafter."

These links -- between spanking, happiness and heaven -- provide the framework for Amish child discipline, an approach that nurtures obedience instead of individuality. It's a framework that disturbs modern sensitivities. Naomi disagrees. In fact, she believes that letting children go without discipline is "the cruelest kind of child abuse." She poses the question rhetorically: "Now wouldn't it be abusive above all abuses to withhold from our children the training they need for a life of discipline and self-control, of service to God?"

This countercultural view of child rearing lies at the heart of Amish society. We can praise the Amish for their forgiving response at Nickel Mines and we may yearn for a simpler and less frazzled Amish-style life. We may even seek to sew some patches of Amish faith onto our own spirituality and instill some old-fashioned virtues into the lives of our own children. Such fine intentions will fail, the Amish contend, without a generous dose of obedience training.

Donald B. Kraybill is co-author of The Amish Way: Patient Faith in a Perilous World.

 
 
 
Oct. 2 marked the fourth anniversary of the tragic schoolhouse shooting in Nickel Mines, Penn., when a non-Amish neighbor unleashed his anger toward God for allowing his firstborn daughter to die nine...
Oct. 2 marked the fourth anniversary of the tragic schoolhouse shooting in Nickel Mines, Penn., when a non-Amish neighbor unleashed his anger toward God for allowing his firstborn daughter to die nine...
 
 
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11:27 AM on 11/14/2010
If people get the willies about the phrase “breaking the child’s will†there is a good reason for that. “Breaking the will†is exactly what the Amish mean. My father often used that term and he meant to do just that. I did not get spankings as a child — I got beatings. I cannot speak for all Amish parents, but I know with my own parents there was a great deal of anger and frustration that came with those beatings. The physical pain was nearly unbearable, not to mention the emotional turmoil that comes of being overwhelmed by someone so much bigger, stronger, and more powerful.

If the Amish are successful in breaking their children’s will, it means the children become compliant because they are afraid to be otherwise, which makes them vulnerable to abuses.

The most important aspect of Amish children’s compliance is that they will not question the Amish ways. When they become members of the church, they will be asked to give up their individuality to become part of the community twice a year in communion services. And those who have been “made nice†are happy to accommodate.

For more about the subject, please visit "About Amish" http://aboutamish.blogspot.com/2010/11/amish-and-spanking.html

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06:14 PM on 11/11/2010
The Amish pride in their lack of pride is fundamentally very funny.
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01:49 PM on 11/11/2010
"More than half of those at his burial were Amish neighbors, some of whom had buried their own children the day before."

That act was beyond inspirational. But I don't believe it was due to being spanked as children. I suspect there is much more behind this obedience to the ideals of their faith than corporal punishment.
04:00 PM on 11/09/2010
Well. I grew up on the edge of a county which is about 95% Amish and Mennonite. My father has a business which, for decades, has brought him to many Amish farms to work. I am talking about the type of Amish lauded in the above article- strict Amish with no electricity, no buttons on their clothes, only long sleeved dresses in dark colors for women- not the less strict versions. While I am sure that many practice faith, there are also a lot of things that go on that modern society would not find acceptable. Amish people are not some perfect 'old way' that the rest of us have forgotten to follow. I think articles like this that highlight only one aspect of that community are very narrow and don't really give a good picture of how those communities work and how people are treated within them.
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09:55 AM on 11/09/2010
Sinnce the Amish have some of the largest puppy-mills in the country, I see no compassion or caring for animals in their so-called religion. The animals are kept in filthy conditions and bred time after time with no decent care for the mother or pups. If this is an example of their religious beliefs, putting animals into these conditions and using them as money-makers, then they need education and possible criminal charges to get their attention.
04:01 PM on 11/09/2010
agreed!
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10:11 AM on 11/08/2010
Isn't it possible that the Amish showed all this forgiveness from a sense of obedience to what they think god wants, rather than as a demonstration of anything that was truly heartfelt?

I remember seeing an interview with the Amish grandfather of one of the murdered children. He was asked if he forgave the killer. He said, "In my heart, yes," which left open the possibility that in his head he wanted revenge, as any victim of such a horrible thing would naturally and rightly want.
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02:07 PM on 11/14/2010
I can understand that, had my child been killed I would have said I forgive him in my brain( logic) but my heart felt something else entirely.
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03:28 AM on 11/08/2010
I 100% agree with the Amish on child rearing. Anyone who spends any time in an Amish/Mennonite community can't help but see how well it works for them.
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09:20 PM on 11/07/2010
I have a friend whose brother stole some livestock from an Amish farmer and fed them in hiding hoping to sell them for more money. He was caught and convicted. The Amish farmer paid him for what he thought the thief had spent for feed. Seemed fair to the farmer.
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Weirdo
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09:36 AM on 11/08/2010
That's going a bit too far.
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Debbie338
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06:23 PM on 11/07/2010
Why are people constantly lifting the Amish up as examples of a great society? They give their children NO chance to make it in the outside world. They're given an eighth-grade education, no experience with any kind of modern technology, then thrown out into the English world at 16 to see if they come back. Big surprise!! There's not much out there for someone with no modern skills.

Explain to me how that is good child-rearing.
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Kimiko Austin-Rijs
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05:53 AM on 11/08/2010
Why should they teach their children about a world that is not apart of their own? It is their life.
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Debbie338
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10:17 AM on 11/08/2010
Because this article was holding them up as examples of good parenting. Wouldn't good parenting include giving your children options in life? These kids have none. They cannot become doctors or scientists without leaving the Amish community.
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08:16 PM on 11/08/2010
I'm not a man of faith. But I see these people raising their kids for their world based on what they believe God wants. They are not being raised for the Military Industrial Complex and Big Biz.
Good for them , Less cannon fodder.
03:48 PM on 11/07/2010
I never spanked my Son. I never had cause. I raised him with love and to think. He is an RN who helps retirees. I treat my grand daughters the same with love. I have no need to punish. Correct yes punish no. I am an atheist.
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10:43 PM on 11/07/2010
Same with me. I corrected without the use of punishment and my son is pre-med and my daughter is studying for a degree in psychology.
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mjeffn
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12:26 AM on 11/08/2010
to clarify: I corrected without the use of spankings or beatings. Consistency in using time-outs were plenty to get the point across and teach the lessons.
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Weirdo
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09:41 AM on 11/08/2010
I got spanked as a kid, and the only thing I remember feeling afterward was resentment.
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02:27 PM on 11/07/2010
The Amish have IT going on. . . one case per 10,000 autism rates compared to 140/ 100,000 across the country(because they don't take mercury laced vaccines and eat only wholesome food) and the only ones who will survive when the power runs out.
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04:08 PM on 11/07/2010
Sorry but those are both myths. The Amish generally do fully vaccinate their children. They do not as a rule eschew public health measures, they avoid technology they don't find useful. Most Amish communities view vaccination as helpful. Autism is common in Amish communities, as are other neurological disorders, some genetic and unique to the rather closed Amish communities.
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07:03 PM on 11/07/2010
Sorry, Myths
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Debbie338
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02:29 PM on 11/08/2010
You don't think the low autism rate could have anything to do with their well-controlled genetics? Few Amish marry outside the Amish community. There's a convincing amount of evidence for a genetic trigger to autism.
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04:11 PM on 11/08/2010
If they had a low autism rate that would be something interesting to research. But they don't.
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05:15 PM on 11/08/2010
The placental barrier in women allows for mercury toxins in the mother to pass to the child, but not for prenatal vaccine mercury injected into the fetus to pass from the child to the mother - natures way of protecting the mother. Amish people generally do not vaccinate and have not accumulated the amounts of mercury to cause autism (Aspergers Syndrome) and the accompanying symptoms of autism. Autismfacts.com
01:17 PM on 11/07/2010
So far, all of the comments on this article and the issue of discipline have a point in some way. There is no perfect solution to being a parent, or to being a Christian, or being human, for that matter.

My father, who was an Episcopal minister, taught me that free will was something that was given to us from God. Acting Christian-like, caring, forgiving, etc. should not come from fear, it should come from the heart. One should be obedient to God's values, not out of fear, but out of the belief that it is good--therein lies true obedience.

Amish don't have any worse issues than the English have -- we all have our faults because we are human. I caution those who throw stones at a "group" which may have similar qualities to many other portions of our society. The difference between the 'un-stoned group' is that there isn't a different name to set them apart. Check out how abuse and incest exist in other parts of the U.S. and you would be unfortunately surprised to see how rampant it is. But those groups don't have a specific name.

Instead of spending energy blaming or chastising how someone, or a group, does something so wrong, we would all be better if we tried to just go out and do something good and help someone.
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MamaBird62
04:12 PM on 11/07/2010
I would respectfully disagree that the Amish are doing anything "worse" than other communities. Failure to report child abuse is a big problem.
Just check with the Roman Catholics on that.
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06:29 PM on 11/07/2010
They don't report it therefore it must be rampant is the kind of logic that isn't.
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01:10 PM on 11/07/2010
Forgiveness, last time I checked, was a concept that virtually all of humanity knows about, and employs on a regular basis. There are many stories of parents, and communities offering understanding and forgiveness in the wake of violent tragedies, it's not some Amish phenomena.

Is their forgiveness special because they decided to selectively freeze their technological development at year 1850?

They forgave a man of a similar faith for doing something awful. An admirable thing, yes, but hardly rare and not really the kind of story we need to marvel at. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, I believe that forgiving people who do you wrong is the kind of thing ALL Christians are supposed to. (And again, here we are marveling at some people who actually did it).
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MamaBird62
04:10 PM on 11/07/2010
This article ignores the dark side of the forced "forgiveness" which is that crimes are not reported, especially crimes by family members against women and children. They are supposed to forgive and forget without accountability. It's not healthy, and not particularly Christian either.
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11:19 AM on 11/07/2010
I figure if one has to HIT a little kid in order to get them to behave you ain't good parent....spanking is HITTING...
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MamaBird62
04:13 PM on 11/07/2010
Yes, absolutely. Few parents would brag that they hit their children, but change the word to "spank" and suddenly the behavior is fine. I always refer to it as hitting, because that's more honest.
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04:55 AM on 11/08/2010
Yes I see your point MamaBird, but the two words still do mean and represent two very different things.
To "hit" to a child, is to striked that child unjustly, without a cause and with aggressive intent.

To "spank" a child, is to adminster a mild form of corporal punishment, for correction, rebuke,and to focus attention on the dangers or injury caused by a thoughtless action.

So, perhaps the unacceptable feelings you seem to experience, might be what was often expressed by my mother, who whenever she was going to spank me, would start off by saying, "now, this is going to hurt ME more than its going to hurt YOU!"

Of course, I didn't believe that for one second....not until I grew up, and had my own children to discipline, then I knew just how right she was.

So, I believe most modern day parents refuse to spank their children, not because a little spanking will actually injure the child, but because it hurts them as parents to give that child the proper training to be an healthy respectful adult, so as a result of course today's children are absolute tyrants.
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11:00 AM on 11/07/2010
While i admire the Amish Spirit of community, everything I've read indicates that it comes at an awful price. The trade off is individuality, and a sense of self. You are taught to always be part of the collective---and nothing is permitted that sets you apart. Music, art, all forms of self expression are verboten. "Hands to work, Hearts to God", sounds wonderful embroidered on a pillow...but it is impossible to maintain if you are in any way different.

They live apart by choice...and they take nothing from the "English", save modern medicine...but within their community, there is no tolerance of self. As impressed as I am by their ability to live so completely by their beliefs, I have seen interviews with those who left...and understand the crushing burden of choosing a life without everyone they ever knew or loved, to maintain their own personalities.
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08:24 PM on 11/07/2010
They are individuals with as accurate a sense of self as any. There singing is a delight to hear and some of the quilts are art by art standard. I grew up with Amish neighbors, went to school with them, and occasionally partied with them. We are all constrained by the life we choose; I spent thirty years wearing a tie which is as stupid a custom as any clothing rules the Amish accept.
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08:38 AM on 11/08/2010
Individuality is highly over rated in western culture. Westerners pride themselves on individuality but their popular culture actually prizes conformity. For example, through the promotion of barbie doll creation via plastic surgery and tv programs which reward perfectly healthy women for mutilating their bodies.
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Lisa Shields
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09:32 AM on 11/08/2010
Not to be contentious...but that is a gross over-generalization.
I know three people who have actually hit a lottery---despite the odds of that.
I know NO ONE in my family, or circle of friends and contacts who had cosmetic surgery of any kind...so obviously that is not as common a practice as you perceive.

I don't stress individuality above all else...I simply know that I would not be healthy if I was forced to suppress mine to such a stringent degree.