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Dori Jones Yang

Dori Jones Yang

Posted: November 15, 2010 10:48 AM

You've heard that you need to talk to your children about drugs, about sexting, about the dangers of strangers on the Internet. But many parents don't talk to their teenagers about what they want to be when they grow up -- and how to prepare for it.

"Follow your dream." "Do what you love." These are mantras in today's America. We push our kids to do their homework and study for the SATs to get into a good college. But after that, many of us tell our kids they can study whatever they want. Literature. Theater. Art. All the fun stuff.

I myself majored in history, and I used to defend the importance of a liberal arts education. "It teaches you how to think," the line goes. "It creates good citizens with a broad base of knowledge."

That it does. But the United States is in the midst of a terrible recession, and the daunting rates of unemployment -- and underemployment -- make it harder than ever to find a decent job. America's position as the leading economic powerhouse of the world is slipping, and no one seems to know how to create jobs.

Fareed Zakaria recently focused on this problem, both in TIME magazine and on his TV special, "Restoring the American Dream." One of his central points is that jobs come from innovation. Our economic strength comes from technology, and that's where much of the job growth is going to be. An education in politics or creative writing does not prepare you for a career in technology. Engineering does.

Walk into any engineering class in an American university, and you'll notice a striking pattern: many of the students speak with foreign accents. Among engineering graduate students, more than half are foreign-born. Our great universities are training future generations of Chinese, Indians, and others in the most advanced fields of medical research, biotechnology, electronics, and computer programming, while the children of Americans are holding great debates across campus in philosophy.

A wealthy society can afford to support artists, musicians, novelists, and scholars. The United States has long done so. Our movies are watched around the world, and in jazz and rock we set the pace. Our universities are the best. But as our star peaks and begins to fade, we need to realize that fine actors and brilliant historians cannot keep up the power and wealth of the United States.

Not every student can handle calculus. But let's not assume our kids just can't do it. When these courses get difficult, don't suggest they drop the class; challenge them to tough it out.

Here's the ideal: Study something practical with a clear path to a job. Then minor in a fun subject. Or major in something fun but pursue summer jobs that prepare you for a career. This was the advice my dad gave me when I was seventeen, and I grumbled about it, as teenagers do. But I listened. I majored in history but spent every summer working for newspapers, to prepare for a career in journalism, back when there were paying jobs in journalism. My daughter majored in computer science, with a second major in East Asian area studies.

It tore my heart when my daughter called home in agony, certain she could not pass her classes in advanced algorithms. She found the liberal arts classes so much easier. But right after college, despite the Great Recession, she got a high-paying job. Many of her friends had to move back home, worked in restaurants, or struggled in vain to find a job, any job. Those were the ones who had fun majoring in psychology, politics, or English.

Students of every socio-economic background should take at least some practical courses in college. Those from poor families understand this, but sometimes their parents assume that simply getting a college diploma will be enough. Rich kids will end up on Mom and Dad's couch -- and payroll -- if they don't figure out a way to make a living. And middle class kids, the vast majority, will find a much easier transition to the workplace if they have at least one course in marketing or technical writing.

The big thinkers like Zakaria can see clearly: As a society, the United States will lose its edge and go downhill if we can't educate our children to innovate in a high-tech world. Many Asian parents see this and push their kids in that direction. Too many American parents encourage their children to follow their dreams.

If all our kids follow their dreams, at the expense of preparing for a practical career, we will speed up our own decline as a society. Then the cries of "Where did all the jobs go?" will be plaintive and in vain.

We've been living in a dream world. We need to shake our kids and wake them up.

 
 
 
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Rachael Crawley
Canadian and proud
03:21 PM on 01/09/2011
I am a liberal arts student (Canadian, so it is less costly, but still), and am loving every minute of it. However, I also have an intended career path. It won't buy me a yacht, but it will keep a roof over my head. People should major in what they want. In the end it doesn't matter. What matters more is that you are realistic, have goals to work to, and possess the skills desired in a work force, like hard work and innovative thought. That kind of thing can't be replaced no matter what you study.
11:36 PM on 12/06/2010
Perhaps Ms. Yang is unaware that the "big thinker" whose words she uses to back her beliefs about liberal arts education, Fareed Zakaria, has a Ph.D in Political Science. Zakaria's success is for the most part due to his contributions the field, including his 2008 book The Post American World. The reason I know this is I am currently majoring in Political Science. The irony is delicious.
11:06 PM on 12/27/2010
Ironic, indeed!
03:22 PM on 11/30/2010
I think you raise an interesting question which can, manipulatively, be boiled down to "what is the cost of following your dream." Like I said, that's an unfair summary, but it is also the general feeling I get from your article.

I wanted to be a doctor since I was about 2 years old. I had my life planned for myself from elementary school (except for 2nd grade when I wanted to be a paleontologist). I would be a surgeon, after getting a degree in Biology (which evolved into Biochemistry after high school). Then, one year into college, I changed majors. I am now an English major with plans to pursue an MFA in creative writing. What brought about the change? A simple realization that I didn't love Biology as much as I loved Shakespeare and Palanhiuk.

So now I have significantly less job security than I would have otherwise. I'll admit that - I made a risky life decision, but I don't regret it. You see, I am going to be much happier this way, and therefore my work will be of a much higher quality. High morale is fundamental when it comes to high quality products. If someone is miserable as a doctor or an engineer, they will not be as good at that job as someone who is truly passionate about it. Also, you mentioned Hollywood as an example of our artistic prowess. Hollywood/film is one of the few industries still thriving in this economy.
11:04 PM on 12/27/2010
You're very lucky to be living in a country where your happiness and high morale will allow you to support yourself and pay your rent with an MFA in creative writing. If the U.S. economy slips much further, future generations may not have the luxury of such choice.
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Roger Ochs
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12:44 PM on 11/23/2010
Yes, it is so very important to raise more cogs for the machine. Shame on me for having thought that raising good and decent citizens was important. I will forward this to my daughter so that she does a better job with my Grandchildren.
10:59 PM on 12/27/2010
I'm not interested in raising cogs for the machine. I want to make sure my daughter can support herself and doesn't have to come to me for help, at the age of 40, because she can't pay her mortgage. And I'd like to continue living in a country with a strong economy. My daughter is a good and decent citizen who can support herself. Hope yours is, too!
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Liz Patrick
05:52 AM on 11/23/2010
My parents tried to force me into a "practical" also. I tried really hard for 2 1/2 years to make them happy, but I failed miserablely. Not only am I awful at math and science, I don't like them. So thanks to my parents trying to force my "practicality" I have an extra $15k in debt and it took 2 extra years to graduate. I don't blame my parents for trying to get me a practical degree, I blame myself for listening too them. If you aren't paying for school, leave your kids alone.
04:54 PM on 11/18/2010
This article screams, "son its time for a serious conversation" I had this discussion at every dinner table growing up and still do to this day. Although at the time it may have been in one ear out the other, it did help me land a career out of college, which in todays world is a rarity. To take the practical view of this article further, back forty fifty years ago it was alot more common place to learn a trade. This happened not after college but while still in high school, with high schools teaching real life skills like being a mechanic or plumbing, etc.. Much of these programs were cut a long time ago (in my old high school we had a garage which sat empty, an art class took its place). We've been brainswashed and led to think that only a four year education is acceptable. (obama is guilty of this) A lot of kids go to subpar colleges that have very low employment rates out of college and take on loans. Perhaps some kids would be better off learning a trade, become a mechanic, electrician. Go for two years and come out with a trade, instead of going to god knows what school and learning things that do nothing but put money in the pockets of school presidents.
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Scarabus
Retired Humanities Prof.
04:42 PM on 11/18/2010
Yes, the U.S. is in terrible economic trouble. But who put us here? People who had studied "practical" subjects very thoroughly. Look at how clever they are at inventing unproductive devices like credit default swaps, how adept they are at covering their tracks, how effective they are at lobbying and "buying" congresspersons.

What they seem not to have studied sufficiently is values, ethics, empathy, compassion, justice, respect for the law, self-understanding, etc. In other words the qualities and questions that lie at the heart of the humanities. They studied how to do things, but not whether to do them.
09:01 PM on 11/17/2010
Words have never held so much truth in them. Two crucial additions:

- Do NOT go to law school, unless Yale or Stanford. Even Harvard is having trouble placing their law grads, and I mean at any salary point. Below that threshold, getting a job are very long odds.

- Do NOT go to Biz school unless a Top 10 program. Like law, there are far too many grads, b/c law and B schools are the big money makers - universities have no rationale to keep enrollment low enough that everyone has the shot at a job, let alone a career.

Best,
NESCAC / law school grad who can't get a job at Barnes and Nobles.
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abbienormal
What hump?
01:08 PM on 11/20/2010
I tell my undergraduate students those two rules every semester.
03:28 PM on 11/16/2010
This is a little heartbreaking. My son recently left his Engineering program at a top research university (he was dual majoring in International Affairs, which he is still pursuing) precisely because the other students LACKED creativity. I don't necessarily agree that engineers, by default, are going to be the innovators, I believe they will just be the ones who implement the ideas of the true creative thinkers. For true creative thinking we must ask our students to be willing to work hard, think hard and problem solve and there in lies the problem.

I recently read a Facebook update from a friend that I think encapsulated the very heart of the problem today. It stated: "My daughter just sent me this text: "Mom, I just got hit by a car. What should I do?"

Our nation's young people have very little ability to problem solve and think on their own. Americans have become VERY lazy physically, mentally and practically. We have so much, so readily available that we have lost our collective drive and ambition.

Don't take it out on Liberal Arts programs. This is a MUCH bigger issue.
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10:38 AM on 11/18/2010
Excuse me for asking you, but why did your son leave the program? If the other students lacked the creativity he has, doesn't that precisely bodes well for him? Doesn't that gives him the edge in the class and at the workplace? He has the talent other in his field lack. He is blessed. My husband is a Math college prof. (Math PhD) and throughout his career as a student and professor he has met a lot of Engineering students. Our son wants to be an Engineer. Engineering was my husband's first major. Because of his inside knowledge, we understand that succesful Engineers are creative, besides posessing the usual "brainy" traits. We are trying to give our son the edge in his Engineering career by not only focusing on his academic skill but his extra-curricular/non-academic skills. For example, he takes music lessons, guitar and piano, in addition to drawing and Judo classes. He is a fantastic reader and writer. His teacher and us enjoy reading his essays (I scan them for future reference). We really believe that nurturing kids creativity can only help them to suceed no matter the field. Furthermore, if the field lacks of creative minds, my children will easily standout in the crowd. Standing out in the crowd IS GOOD. Why was that bad in your son's case?
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MG Metiva
For Great Justice, I shall post.
10:05 PM on 11/15/2010
I am in favor of encouraging kids to study practical subjects, but what's practical in one area of the U.S. is utterly impractal in another. As in political science degrees are only good if one either runs for political office or lives in Washington DC or a state capital. Elsewhere, it's a waste of money is impractical.
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abbienormal
What hump?
01:09 PM on 11/20/2010
A good rule of thumb: if it requires math, it is practical.
09:24 PM on 11/15/2010
I agree with the belief that we should raise children who will become productive individuals (including scientists), but I firmly disagree with the premise that we must do so by cajoling them into studying and working in fields they don't like -- and thereby eschewing "the road not taken." Dori herself chose to study European History at Princeton where she wrote a paper on Ann Landers and Dear Abbey. While the topic centered on those "princesses of practicality," it was not practical. But her history focus gave historical context to her later writing for Business Week and U.S. News and helped inspire her to write an historical novel, the upcoming "Daughter of Xanadu." Yes, liberal arts majors (like Dori) should seek out internships and summer jobs along the way to translate their passions into something practical. And like their scientist brethren who enter medical and grad school, they may need to go on to higher learning. But in my view, there is no better training than English literature to give insights into the human condition for a psychologist (my husband, the English major) or skills to translate scientific data as a botanist (Dori's and my friend Sarah, a former English major who is developing plants to feed those in drought conditions) or hone the writing skills necessary to be a lawyer (me, another English major). There are several roads to a productive and innovative career. It starts by finding what you love and doing it well.
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Symphysodon
08:03 PM on 11/15/2010
Yes, let's all be good little drones and train to work hard in the Corporate Hive.
08:55 PM on 11/17/2010
And at $200,000 for a private university or elite public university, what else are grads to do?
07:10 PM on 11/15/2010
Dori, you are right on the money. College is becoming such an astonishing expense that it's wise to choose majors carefully. Opting for Art History or Creative Writing as a major, while rewarding, may not lead one to the actual financial benefits of a college education. Students can minor in those. It's particularly prudent in this economy to choose a major and/or summer work that leads to a career. Well done.
05:09 PM on 11/15/2010
GOOD ADVICE, BUT THE ARTICLE CONTAINS DISTORTIONS

The article states:

“Among engineering graduate students, more than half are foreign-born. Our great universities are training future generations of Chinese, Indians, and others in the most advanced fields of medical research, biotechnology, electronics, and computer programming, while the children of Americans are holding great debates across campus in philosophy.”

A distinction needs to be made between graduate students and undergraduate students in this case. The author is trying to imply that U.S. students are simply not studying “the most advanced fields of medical research, biotechnology, electronics, and computer programming”. This is absolutely FALSE. In fact, foreign students comprise less than 10% of the UNDERGRADUATE student population in these fields nationwide, see my reference below (Engineering and the sciences have similar UNDERGRADUATE enrollments).

May 2010 Computing Research News
2008-2009 Taulbee Survey
Undergraduate CS Enrollment Continues Rising; Doctoral Production Drops
http://www.cra.org/uploads/documents/resources/taulbee/0809.pdf
Page 11, Table 10a. Ethnicity of Bachelor’s Recipients (composite of Computer Science, Computer Engineering, and Information Technology).
Nonresident Alien – TOTAL = 5.9%

THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF TECHNOLOGY WORKERS, as the following article explains. In fact, there are about three times as many people who have a Science and Engineering degree than there are jobs for.

Tech firms invent shortage panic
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/tech-firms-invent-shortage-190632.html

So Dori, are you trying to imply that everyone should get a Masters or PhD?
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Dori Yang
08:09 PM on 11/15/2010
Interesting links. What advice would you give to students, to help ease their entry into the workforce, negotiate future changes in the economy, and help keep the U.S. on the cutting edge?
12:49 AM on 11/16/2010
Hello Dori,

Thank you for responding to my comment. I'm real busy right now but I wanted you to know that I intend to reply back to you (a good reply will take more than the few minutes that I have right now). Unfortunately, due to a busy day tomorrow, I probably will not be able to get back to you with my reply until at least Wednesday. I'm sure you will see my response on your profile page, but I also found your email address so I can drop you an email if I think you missed my reply (just in case you don't get to log onto HuffPo for a while).
04:43 PM on 11/15/2010
I'm in college and a disagree. Maybe I straddle the line as a double major in Film/Television and Economics, but happiness is what is most important. Passion brings success. Everyone at the top loves what they do. Obviously you may be happier with a high-paying job, but not with one you don't enjoy. The classes I find easiest, like math, are not what interest me the most and I would hate to go into a career where I am surrounded by numbers all day. Instead of telling our children what to do when they grow up, we should improve elementary and high school education so that subjects like math and science ARE more fun. And they can be with proper teachers and curriculum. Certainly all paths should be discussed. There is no doubt that you should talk to your child about what paths you may follow with a particular major, but it is ultimately there decision. It is not my responsibility as a student to become an engineer so that the United States will remain a global power. Frankly, if it is not what I want to do, I will not make a difference anyway.
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Dori Yang
08:17 PM on 11/15/2010
I agree with your point that we should improve elementary education in math and science. And it's true that it's not your responsibility as a student to help to keep the United States a global power. But whose responsibility is it? Should "parents" (most U.S. adults) not even think about this? What will happen if we don't even talk to our kids about going into the industries of the future?
12:16 AM on 11/16/2010
Of course it is important and it should certainly be discussed between parents and their children, like I said. The responsibility, as I see it, lays partially with parents in helping their children find their passion and discussing options, but also with schools in helping and encouraging students to be passionate about math and science.