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Defining Obama
Despite having all but secured the Democratic nomination, the last few weeks have not been particularly good for Barack Obama. As Hillary Clinton's desperation peaks, and as her message morphs into something akin to a Karl Rove Talent Show, Obama has found himself taking heavy fire. And while polls have suggested that Obama's numbers have not been impacted by Reverend Wright, or "bitter-gate," or the tale of the missing flag pin, the Republican Party, with the happy assistance of the Clinton campaign, is beginning to define Obama in a way that could be dangerous come the fall.
For most of the campaign, Obama has been adept at preventing his opponents from defining him. When Hillary portrayed him as inexperienced, he was quick to point out that experience in Washington had little relationship to change in Washington. When Hillary suggested Obama had yet to pass a commander-in-chief threshold, Obama argued forcefully that if having supported the Iraq War was a prerequisite to meet that threshold, then it was the standard itself, not Obama, that failed to meet the test.
But in the closing weeks of the Pennsylvania primary, the eruptions of a series of mini-crises resulted in Obama's opposition defining him as an out-of-touch and unpatriotic elitist, half radical Christian, half Muslim-in-disguise.
Perhaps it was the silliness of these claims that led Obama to dismiss them rather than confront them. Perhaps he, like many, assumed that the American people would not be so easily fooled. Yet, as the weeks rolled on and the vacuum of Pennsylvania's purgatory needed filling, the media began to adopt and circulate the very narrative the Clinton campaign had tried so hard to create.
As Thomas Edsall reports, the media tone has shifted sharply; Obama is described in newspapers as unelectable, in magazines as incapable of connecting with working class voters, and on television as someone who might be uncomfortable with patriotism. A debate about whether Obama is more similar to McGovern or Stevenson is not one he wants pundits to be having. Obama is being defined by others. It's time for him to do the defining.
Obama must do a better job of wrapping his story around ours. His background is one of the few that is actually one-of-a-kind; how many other Americans were born into an interracial marriage in 1960s Hawaii and raised in war-scarred Indonesia? Because Obama's story is so dramatically different than literally everyone else's, it would appear that some voters are having trouble understanding how his story relates to theirs.
Obama has always been a master of weaving the story of his life into the greater American experience. The speech that launched his political career on a national stage got some of its greatest applause lines when describing his origins. But now, when Obama speaks of his background, it often takes the form of a list: his father was from Kenya, his mother from Kansas, born in Hawaii, raised in Indonesia, a half-Indonesian sister, and family members who resemble the UN General Assembly. It lacks the punch, that intimate feeling that he empathizes with voters because he understands them. But this need not be the case.
Obama understands what it means to be poor, to be an outcast, to be different. Having spent his early career working everyday with working class Americans who had been laid off, he understands better than Hillary or McCain ever could, what it means to be told your job is leaving forever. Having been raised by a single mother, he knows what it means to be a struggling woman in the workforce. It is Obama's very background that answers the questions being asked of him.
It's time for him to say so.
He should also show some anger and passion when told he isn't patriotic enough to be president. "Not patriotic?" he should exclaim with disbelief. "How dare you!" Barack Obama has dedicated his life to serving the American public. Everything he does suggests that he has an abiding pride in his country. It is a pride that made him yearn to find a better life for the downtrodden of Chicago's Southside. It is a pride that led him to teach Constitutional Law, a course which, at its very base, is a singing tribute to our most cherished founding document. Obama knows his story is only possible in America, and he is running for president to ensure that promise of America is fulfilled. He is an unabashed patriot.
It's time for him to say so.
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I just watched Bill Moyers’ interview with Rev. Jeremiah Wright. It was a very illuminating and informative program. Rev. Wright is not the demon, America hating, Farrakhan loving extremist that the media has painted him to be… duh? Imagine that! When you hear the full context of those very infamous, albeit, carefully edited sound bites you see just how insidious the whole media driven assault on Barack Obama, Rev. Wright and the Trinity United Church of Christ has been.
Rev. Wright is an honourable and passionate person. Who loves America… loves God… and cares enough to speak the truth even when it is uncomfortable and unpopular. The media has done him a great disservice.
Bill Moyers had the courage and insight to go to the source and ask the important questions. He wasn’t content to just watch a few carefully edited sound bites. Although I’m sure that it won’t happen… I truly wish that the media would give equal time to the “true story”… that they would blast to airwaves with the full context of the sermons and show that Rev. Wright is not the pariah that Hillary, the Republicans etc. would like us believe that he is.
What does this have to do with “Defining Obama”? Exposing lies and half truths benefits us all. This type of campaigning diminishes us all and damages the democratic process.
Watch video:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/watch.html
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Read story
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/profile.html
They are not lies or half truths, no matter how you edit it, or how he explains it, he was still preaching America deserved 9/11, GOD DAMN AMERICA and the congregation cheered and jumped around in agreement. It could not have been the first or only time he has preached hate, not only of America but of the white race. I understand that hes done good and served our country, but his radical and racial hatred influence on his congregation now, and for some years, is why people are angry. You can not blame anyone but him.
The vision I can not forget was when PASTOR Wright was "Riding Dirty" dry humping at the pulpyt while mocking the Clintons. I watched as the people clapped & even went up & patted him on the back with big smiles on their faces.... While laughing sooooo hard . And the crowd kept nodding their heads & cheering. In a church? Not acceptale. I'vw walked out of churches and never came back for far less. No amount of sugar could cover up that glimpse into his soul.
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I have a few questions for you. Has America ever done anything wrong? If so, would you ever point it out and condemn the action (or lack of action)? Could you then be called, by some other patriot, anti-American? Doesn't the Constitution give us the right to protest... the right to disagree with the government and its policies? Why is it when people exercise their Constitutional rights they are branded as anti-American or subversive or haters?
When Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell (and several other white fundamentalist preachers) were saying that 911 was God's judgment on America because of her tolerance of Homosexuals and legalization of abortion did you condemn them as anti-American or as hate mongers? When these same two preachers blamed the Katrina tragedy on Gays did you speak out against them for hate speech?
Why is there a double standard? Rev. Hagey (who called the Catholic Church the great whore) endorsed McCain. Clinton's former pastor, Rev. Procanick, was convicted of inappropriate touching of a 7 year old girl and I haven't seen one viral video blast like the sort that happened to Rev. Wright? Why aren't McCain or Clinton being called to task for their associations with these "haters"?
Is it because "they" are only "haters" when WE disagree politically with them? Otherwise, we look the other way. I am so sick of the hypocrisy of it all.
You would not ACCEPT THE TRUTH if God gave it to you. Read Jesus' conversations with those in high position in the synagogue, in authority. You people THINK you can JUDGE someone EASILY because they are black. Be careful because the SAME MEASURE TO SEND OUT AGAINST SOMEONE, WILL COME BACK AND JUDGE YOU. Yes, Jesus said it.
Have you heard the whole sermon? I am sure you have NOT. The "chickens coming home to roost" came from the American Ambassidor Peak. Your statement typifies what he talked about in his interview but more importantly what he talked about at the NAACP Dinner of 12K people in Detroit as well as addressed it in the Press Club Luncheion todaya in Washington DC.
He does not preach hate AMERICA preaches and exercises hate daily. You cannot expand your thought process because you do NOT want to listen to TRUTH.
Oh YES ... wonderful piece.
And the irony of it is that what you say dovetails perfectly with the suggestions Karl Rove offered Obama in Newsweek.
Barack is totally electable. As he has often said, his story is "uniquely American." It defines not only the place from which so many of of us have come, but also the level of future opportunity that we can recreate for everyone in this country. But only if we're willing to work hard for it Right Now.
Now Hillary wants a one on one debate. This would be a mistake for Sen Obama there is no way he can win. If he is respectful he will be seen as weak if he goes after her in the same way she will go after him he will be seen as beating up on a woman. This is a win win for Hillary and nothing but lose for Obama. Hillary seems to like being a lady when it benefits her and tough when it benefits her. All Hillary has to do is tear up and women will come out with a vengeance to defend her against the man.
She wants a one on one, with no moderator, about the issues. Women are tough, and even tougher under pressure, so that benefits every woman. Debates are nothing new, thats how presidential candidates have done it for years, and their views seen and judged by all. The fact that he is scared to do a debate now, shows his weakness in confrontation, showing again that he knows he will crack under pressure, and that his plans are not as strong. He could have even used the idea of some seeing it as beating up on a woman to lighten the mood and make a joke about it at the beginning. This would have been the time for Obama to step up and show all that doubt him that he can handle the heat, but instead acted like a coward and denied. So really what he did was lose some respect. Reminds me of his senate seat when he voted present over 100x when faced with tough decisions. There is way more that goes with being President than many of us will ever know, good and bad. I want change fast, and strong, I know Hillary brings that.
Actually, Obama was smart to decline the one-on-one debate. There is an old trick in politics: you ask a question of the politician, they say: thank you, that was a very good question, and then they use the time to talk about things other than the question. Hillary will use all of her time attacking Obama, straight from the Rove playbook, as she has morphed into Karla Rove. If Obama is polite, Hillary's supporters will say he's weak. If Obama replies in kind, Hillary's supporters will say he's beating up on her. Nothing positive for Obama can come from debating Hillary Clinton at this time.
Hillary is a lady when she wants to be and tough when she needs to be. Do you think that means she is bipolar or a well rounded female? So far, I haven't seen any indication Sen. Obama has hesitated to attack Hillary and women are going to come out with a vengeance anyway. It looks very weak for him to set out a debate so it is lose, lose for him now. In a debate he might at least be able to explain some of his plans. Maybe he doesn't have any plans? Don't you have at least a tiny bit of admiration for her? She is magnificent.
Please, DON'T BE STUPID! Hillary reminds me of a SNAKE that was once frozen in the wood. The SNAKE was picked up and brought and placed in front of the fireplace to thaw out. When the person that placed the SNAKE in front of the fireplace passed by, the SNAKE bit the person. The person asked the SNAKE, "Why did you bite me? I picked you up and brought to my house to thaw you out." The SNAKE then responded, "I was a SNAKE when I was frozen and I am still a SNAKE after I have thawed out." She & Bill have always had SNAKE dispositions and that's just the way it is. Anyone who cannot see her SCUFFLING walk in this campaign is SO BLIND WITH REALITY and does not regard HONESTY in their life. As a former supporter of the Clintons I am ashamed of their CHARACTER, DEMEANOR, HONESTY and so much more. Researched their assocates I discovered Rezko was a big supporter (Matt Lauer/Today show revealed this), Rev Wright prayed with Bill/Hill Clinton by invitation for adultery, Gov. Rendell gave Farrahkan & the Islam Nation HIGH praises in person, and she was a BIG defender of the BLACK PANTHERS in the late sixties. Where is the HONESTY AND CHARACTER the Clintons MUST GIVE ACCOUNT FOR? If you willfully OVERLOOK their FAULTS, you are PREJUDICE and your CHARACTER is just like theirs.
Born in Hawaii , Grew up in Indonesia , and when he finally came back to the US he found solace & a mentor in a radical , racist , USA hating , friend of Farakhan. Where is the connection he has to lead all Americans to his Promised Land. He is more a cult leader than presidential material. I for one will not vote for the man who embraces Rev Wrong , his American terrorist friend , his criminal donar/neighbor , his wife who has never been proud of the USA , and one who evades the issues when it comes to all his personal relationships. Also he puts down the Bill Clinton Administration which brought the USA to a new prosperity and recognized leader in the free world. BHO is so full of himself that he stares up , over peoples heads , when he speaks because he thinks he is better than everyone else and can't really explain his vision because he thinks he is smarter than everyone else. If not Hillary then I'll vote for McCain who I am sure is a real Patriotic American
Did you get all that off FOX news or from Rush Limbaugh?
i can't believe people believe that nonsense. Embarrassing
McCain, was born in Panama came back to the US where he found solace and spiritual advice from the Likes of Rev. Hagee
Another supporter of McCain, Rev. Hagee said this on the Glen Beck TV show and on public radio’s Terry Gross show.
Hagee responded that he had "criticized the Catholic Church for its past anti-Semitism" and that "[s]tanding against anti-Semitism does not make me an anti-Catholic." Beck did not ask Hagee about his statement in a book that "[m]ost readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews." Beck also did not mention that the Catholic League's Bill Donohue has called Hagee a "bigot" and has pressed McCain to "retract his embrace of Hagee."
Additionally, Hagee told National Public Radio's Terry Gross that "those who live by the Quran have a scriptural mandate to kill Christians and Jews"; once wrote that "the difference between a terrorist and a woman with PMS" is that "[y]ou can negotiate with a terrorist"; and claimed that "Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans" because it "had a level of sin that was offensive to God,"
By the way he repeated these remarks on Friday. When asked to respond Senator McCain said yesterday he welcomes his support.
Im not for Mccain, but Rev Hagee wasn't his spiritual mentor for over 20 years. He didnt marry Mccain and his wife, preach to or spend time with his family, he didn't praise God Damn America and say we deserved 9-11, he doesn't damn Israel, he also didnt travel with Farrakhan to meet with an Iranian terror supporter in 2006. Rev Hagee's church also did not reprint a manifesto by Hamas that defended terrorism as legitimate resistance, refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist and compared the terror group’s official charter – which calls for the murder of Jews – to America’s Declaration of Independence. There is a big difference there, one that the republicans will make very clear.
You sound like an average white underacheiver, and someone who can barely contain their racist thought process. Because you were born white in the heartland, people with an exotic past scare the devil out of you. You sound petty and childish. Were you in the Marine Corp, as Rev. Wright was? I doubt it. Were you around in the 1960's when Ayers friends and neighbors were being drafted to Vietnam to fight in a war startlingly similar to what we are engaged in now in Iraq, based on an imaginary incident in the Gulf of Tonkin? I doubt it. Were you a Black female in a 1980's all-white Ivy league school, who's roommate refused to share a room with you? I doubt it. Were you aware that Bill Clinton left us with such horrendous policies as the AEDPA, NAFTA, and a "surplus" that decimated our military, infrastructure, and social security system? I doubt it. Sounds to me that you don't know jack shit, but because you have some deep-seated personal racism issues, you go off on tangents about Farrakhan and other non-issues. If I didn't know better, I'd think that you ranters on here are deeply envious of a Harvard educated Attorney, who lived in Paradise (as have I...E Komo Mai), and scares the hell out of you because you personally could never achieve what he has. You have boucoup complaints, but no solutions. You are the end of America....I can see it coming already.
KINOKO, if I had read down a bit further I could haved saved myself some time. You said it better than I could. aw needs to grow up, as do too many who want to call themselves "Americans" and put down anyone unlike themselves. I'm a white woman in my 60's and I support Obama. My greatest hope is that there is still enough intelligence in the general population to see through HRC, and realize mccain will just get us further and further into wars that we cannot win. We, like Israel, have become a rogue nation. It is only a matter of time before we are "contained" by nations we don't think are strong enough to do it, (we'll have been wrong, but that should come as no surprise) or by the collective effort of many small nations.
an average white underachiever, so its ok for me to call some Obama supporters average black underachievers, who know nothing about anything political, who base their vote on race, cause where I live there is much more of that. I have always stood up for blacks, in school and work, I work in public service for Chicago, and I would LOVE for these young children who are being raised around all this violence and emotional abuse to have a black President to look up to and know that they can be anything they want to be in America because it is theirs as well as every colors country. I do not believe that Obama can handle, or is ready to takeon these terrible conditions we face, hisrecord proves nothing, eccept being a great speaker with nice ideas, careless and cowardly voting, and his pushrush for higher office without the work. Itsalso the company he has chosen to surround himself with, and lies hes told about them and his religion that has fueled untrust, and for good reason. America should question, intensely. They are not non-issues, they relate to other important issues. www.TheObamaFile.com
Countless times in the campaign and on this post, you and other worshippers have tried to squeeze votes out of the white guilt thats been played off of for years. There are probably some who base their opinion on race, INCLUDING blacks, but for you to judge all like you do, is flat out wrong.
So will I
I do have some suggestions for Senator Obama.
I'm a veteran and a gun clinger he does need to hang with some people that do have some understanding of these issues.
Those that have not served in our armed forces do not have a full understanding how these men and women feel about the issues.
The gun owners look at it as a right granted them by the constitution and will not give it up. There are three kinds of gun owners. First there is the legal responsible gun owners they are the vast majority. There are the irresponsible gun owners a vary small minority. There are illegal gun owners that should not own guns they should go to prison for owning guns.
I'm sure that I will draw fire for these comments but thats ok every one has a opinion and is entitled to it.
I'm curious. Is your affinity for guns related to depression or the state of the economy?
My affinity for guns comes from my father, hunting and target shooting and it affirmed by the constitution that I took a oath to defend in 1966.
Obama isn't anti gun at all. His ideas probably fall right in line with yours
Actually Obama is antigun. He claims not to be, but if you take a close look at his global poverty bill, which will not only add $65BIL to the $50BIL we already pay for poverty, it will also hand the UN control over ammendments ranging from 2nd-9th. The 2nd, being the right to bear arms, is the first to go. He was very "ecstatic" when it was passed through congress, mostly b/c no one realized exactly what was in it. Please look it up. Notice below his worshipper claims "probably", thats because like so many other issues, we dont know exactly where he stands, other than end of war and changing politics.
Mr. Loewe, you have used your words to define Hillary Clinton using the typical smoke and mirrors of old politics of personal destruction without using one undisputed fact, proving at the same time, how nasty the Obama campaign and supporters have played the game from the beginning. Pres. Clinton was truthful when he referred to a memo from the Obama campaign with their design for fracturing the Clinton support of African Americans. It hardly matters that they have said they decided not to use the race card because the evidence clearly shows they did. Sen. Obama has claimed he does not use the "old style politics" and never mentioned Sen. Clinton's "Bosnia Lie" yet his campaign held a conference call explaining exactly how it would be used. He says, "She can stay in the race as long as she likes",but his statement was drowned out by the noise of his surrogates calling for her to concede. Pa. exit polls by CNN claim slightly under 15% of white voters said they based their vote on race but the same exit polls, according to Wolf Blitzer, showed the race to be "competitive". No one has questioned the accuracy or why a White man or woman in Pa. would be willing to tell a pollster that they are racist. Mr. Loewe, why don't you advise Sen. Obama to debate Sen. Clinton, Lincoln Douglas style, in Indiana and he will have another opportunity to redefine himself?
I don't blame Obama for not debating Hillary again after that last so call debate which was more of an Obama bashing fest with very little policy content to it. Debates are suppose to give us voters enlightment into the policies each candidate is proposing if they become president .Debates are not suppose to be a sporting event where one can watch just how bloody one can make his /her opponent .Have we as American's become so vicious that this is exceptable to us in debates now ?Bush opened the door to this kind of Rove tactic's to undermind a candidate's worth and sadly to say some of you have latched onto this kind of tactic with glee.
This you call vetting a candidate through a gauntlet of personal attacks to see if he or she can hold up to the onslaught . I don't agree with that .One can run a clean race on the merit of their policies and past voting record and they should without all this nasty stuff I have seen .
One can't help but wonder who did the arm twisting to make ABC turn to soap opera and bashing . I don't mind them giving Hillary press but what happened in that so called debate even other media co. had a problem with it ,not to mention most of the public who watched it before turning it off in disgust .
Why would Obama stoop to another contrived debate to make him look weak and lying Hillary look strong.
Hillary "misspoke" four times on the SAME topic the Bosnia Fire" Where I come from you may misspeak once about a topic, but 4 times in 4 different places we call that lying. Hillary liedabout NAFTA....
Hillary and Bill played the race card, becasue Bill really believed he was the fir "African American President, but he was NOT. He has tried to marginalize Barack at every turn.
OK, he lied to Selma, Alabama 3 times in 1 speech, creating nonexhisting connections, and even conned a Kennedy endorsement. He also lies about his religion he grew up as. Thats a new level of lying. Check out The Obama File.
Obama is a talented man, no doubt about it, and I like what he's trying to do. However I am troubled by all his "present" votes on many issues in the Senate, and trying to figure out exactly what that's about. Was that a shrewd attempt to remain a "blank slate", so he couldn't be tarred by his voting record in a future presidential campaign, or did he really have no convictions on all those issues? I'm not interested in a politicians attendance, I'm interested in his or her convictions--which are evidenced by their votes. Anybody got any views that can shed a little light on that for me?
I'd say it was the first choice, a shrewd attempt to remain a blank slate. This could be for several good reasons, however. First, he may not have had adequate time to research the bill - that looks bad, but is not as bad as not researching and voting anyway, as Hillary did on the Iraq AUMF. Another good reason is that some of those bills were specifically designed to trap future candidates, no matter how they ended up voting - either choice was bad. Many bills are designed this way, because we have such a polarized and divisive Congress. This is the best reason to vote for the candidate that can bring about stricter ethics and transparency.
It is not at all uncommon for Senators to vote present .It can mean several things .Either they are uncommitted or they haven't enough information on the issue ,,which is common when Bush has a bad habit of proposing bills without explaining the total contents of that bill and saying just sign it . Kucinich brought that one up during one of the debates .
You can just say "NO"
The Clintonistas and lots of others want to harp about Obama's "lack of experience" and will pick to death anything they think they can turn to their advantage. Voting "present" is in MHO an excellent way to listen to what is being discussed in order to evaluate the "meat and potatoes" of an issue without making an unwise decision. There is an old adage "Better to stay silent and be thought foolish than to open one's mouth and leave no doubt about it!" We have an idiot in the White House who has shown no ability to listen to anything, and if he did listen, doesn't have the brains to make an informed decision. The wisdom to hear any and all points made and try to get as much insight as possible from as many people as possible is usually an indication of good sense. As a newcomer to the Senate, I'd rather know he was there and listening than there and voting for something he didn't know all the facts about. Seems to me we're in a war about which no one gathered all the facts nor listened to anyone's evaluation of same.
So, it sounds to me like Barack Obama has decided he likes Hillary Clinton's healthcare plan - you know - the plan he once criticized so harshly. I swear, I just heard him giving a speech and he said he wants people to have a healthcare plan that is the same as the plan he has as a member of Congress and that you cannot be turned down for a pre-existing condition, etc. - HILLARY CLINTON'S HEALTHCARE PLAN!!! And, he seems to like many of Hillary Clinton's ideas from Hillary Clinton's "Green jobs" idea to stimulate the economy and provide jobs while helping the environment to Hillary Clinton's idea for withdrawing our troops from Iraq to Hillary Clinton's idea for repairing our crumbling infrastructure which will also put people to work to Hillary Clinton's idea of working to repair the broken relationships we now have in the world community.
ALL GREAT IDEAS!!! ALL HILLARY CLINTON'S IDEAS!!!
How long is he going to get away with this? I could not believe it when I heard him standing at a podium rattling off Hillary Clinton's original ideas as if they were his own today.
HOW DOES THIS MAN, BARACK OBAMA, HAVE THE CONSCIENCE AND THE AUDACITY to do this and how does he keep a straight face?
I am absolutely humiliated for him!
First of all, i know, off hand that at least a couple of those things weren't hers first like the iraq withdrawal proposal(i assume you mean the 1-2 brigades a month bit) which was in fact neither of their original number. And second of all you seem to be criticizing him for what appears to be the ability to spot a good policy idea when he sees it regardless of whose it is. To me that seems like a good thing. A country isn't supposed to be led by only one mind.
Why not take your incredulousness that he might lie so audaciously to the next step and maybe consider that he isn't lying at all(any more than any other candidate for any office anywhere) He pretty much is what he says he is. Consider the interests of those in the media that you heard this from.
One also might go back in the debates to where Joe Biden said we CAN"T get out of Iraq before 2013 when Kucinich said he would bring all troops home his first 3 months as president and Hillary agreed with him and added we have to leave some military presence in Iraq indefinetly ,but now she claims if she is elected she will get us out of Iraq in 6 months .So which is it ? It is apparent to me that some of you have not followed the debates from the begining or you would have noticed how many times Hillary switches her stance .Lets be honest here !
I agree with highlighter on some of what he said.
2Nurselady,
Did you forget that Hillary voted for the war in the first place, Obama didn’t? So in fact he was the first to want to bring them home because he didn't want to send them in the first place.
I agree Hillary did have a Health plan proposal first and it was 17 years ago and she failed so badly, it was never presented again until now.
I've been following Obama since 2002; do you remember his speech that night? Many of the ideas you claim are Hillary's where mentioned in that speech. Go back and listen to it your self. Read or listen to his book "The Audacity of Hope" which has been out for several years. All these ideas are there. Hillary didn't have them first.
Hillary has been a Senator for almost two terms now, agreed. How come she hasn't introduced any, not one of those ideas to congress?
If you knew anything at all about Hillary you would never vote for her. Post your e-mail and I'll send it to you.
One other thing, if Hillary’s judgments are so good why would she as a mother take her young daughter to Bosnia and put her in harms way? Would you do that?
We all know there was never any "harm" to get in the way of! Any more than there was any ducking of heads and "running for cover!" Hillary Clinto will say anything necessary and do anything to be the first woman President. She is still a republican. When you and your womanizing husband BOTH say mcinsane "loves this country" and "will bring a lifetime of experience" to the White House everyone should know what a liar and conniver HRC really is.
Nurselady, do you know how wrong you are?
John Edwards had the first DETAILED Healthcare plan in this election.
Barack Obam had the second DETAILED Healthecare plan in this election
Hillary for the first four debates kept refering to her failed attempts at a helathcare plan which is why we are in the shape we are in.
It was Barack who has always referenced the same Healthcare plan that he has as a member of Congress & NOT Hillary, go back and check through the 21 debates.
It was Barack that mentioned the infrastructur first ....go back and check
It was Barack who has not only talked about green jobs but gave examples of those jobs and NOT Hillary, so where do YOU and Hillary get off.
HEAR HEAR I agree 100 percent. I am also so disgusted with the "rock star" persona Obama throws off that I don't understand how anyone can take him seriously. If you've ever heard him speak, you know that he does a whole lot of talking and says nothing about "how" he will make "change:" com about. I think the only change with Obama will be that we will have our 1st black president. I also will not vote if Hilary does not win the nomination. I could not vote for either one of the other candidates and feel good about it.
Don't vote and we could end up with a four year extension of the Bush years! That is what McCain offers. Aren't you tired of this?
Most of you HRC fanatics sound like jealous high school kids. Obama's speeches and website are chock full of excellent ideas for America, such as re-introducing the arts to these educated dummies we are presently cranking out from our under-funded schools. But of course, you could just go to Hillary's website, and see endless posts of "I love you 10000000 % Hillary !!" and other emotional, illogical, and horrifically useless banter. Try it for yourself. Actually do some research for a change, and see what your "candidate" is all about. All about business as usual, and makin' that elitist paper. You blew your whole premise, and any chance of credibility, when you made your "first Black President" quip....what's your point? So don't vote for him. Start your own party. And be honest with yourself, change party affiliations, and vote McCorpse...like I know you will anyway.
It is really quite incredible how gullible the mainstream Press can be when criticized.
All it took for them to completely shift their allegiance to Clinton was to have the Clintons complain that "Hillary wasn't getting the attention Obama was getting"
Of course that might have had something to do with the fact that Obama had been winning most of the elections and most of the popular vote to that point!
Now that they have the good attention focused on Hillary,. they have been feeding the news sharks a chum of slime about Obama... elitist, not in touch, closet Muslim, ad infinitum.
What really grinds me is that even some of the better news people are being sucked in to the crap... Lou Dobbs for example. Dobbs has ranted several times over Reverend Wright and the flag issue... and has continuously repeated the "bitter" line, despite the fact that over 40% of Lou's OWN survey said the public WAS bitter! I thought Lou was smarter than that!
So here's what we have folks... McCain, who wants to continue the Bush legacy... and in fact voted 95% in favor of the issues Bush supported over the past 8 years... Hillary, who has now taken on the Bush-Rovian tactics to manipulate the public... or Obama, who has a history of being everything he claims to be!
I know everyone thinks that if Hillary wins the nomination none of the black folks will vote for her.
Of course, she could pick that great black lady Stephanie Tubbs Jones as her running mate, not just to get support of the black community, but to have a truly great person as our VP.
Jones is awesome. Better than Obama.
And wouldn't it be interesting to see two super women go up against two, cavelike, republican jerks. What a fight.
Or maybe, since we are doing suppositions of fantasy, based on gender and color, we could have Hillary and Denzel Washington or Will Smith run as VP? Being that they are "ok" Negroes, like Ms. Tubbs-Jones, and all. Or....we can stop this divisive nonsense and vote in Obama with maybe, Jim Webb, or someone "Old Guard" , experienced, military-minded, and who will draw off the NASCAR fans from the Hillary/McCain ticket. Just a thought.
KINOKO, the only ticket to bring the Democratic party together is Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton, but the divide is so wide now, that is never going to happen. Anyone with half a brain would know that is true, but instead of pushing that idea, the DNC is actively opposing it. Nancy Pelosi should be impeached and Howard Dean fired for the mess they have made.
Kinoko I was with you right up until the NASCAR fans thing and then I was offended.
I am an educated NASCAR fan who happens not to be a Republican . There are some of us race car fans who aren't Republican's or rednecks .
I could not bring myself to vote for Hillary Clinton in a one person race. For all the same reasons I could not vote for GW Bush. When I see either one of them speak I just do not like or trust either one. That only leaves me two choices John McCain or stay home I may just stay home if it is Obama or Clinton.
Um, it IS going to be Obama or Clinton...
African Americans need to let the WHITE POLITICAL establishment KNOW e.g., Howard Dean and the remaining Super Delegates---steal this election and 95% of the African Americans will be gone for the GENERAL Election. You want WHITE MEN, you will have the few, because the majority of them only voted for Hillary to keep Barack from winning,will be back to the Republican party where they came from.
You think that the LATINO's can swing the November Election....no way not enough.
The African Americans have been the MOST LOYAL AND LARGEST BLOCK OF DEMOCRATS who have NEVER gotten anything for their loyality. Take from BARACK and the REPUBLICANS & Mc Cain will easily walk back to the WHITE HOUSE. JUST take a HINT from what happened in NO which now has a REPUBLICAN GOV.
WE TOO ARE TIRED...OF THE RACISM & DIVISIVENESS and a PRESS that will blow with the wind.
YOU SEE WE HAVE NOTHNING TO LOSE IF YOU STEAL FROM BARACK...WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN DISENFRANCHISED
never gotten anything for their loyalty, hmmm, Ive never gotten anything for my loyalty. Barack stole from himself, he should have cleaned up his shady background BEFORE he ran. I can;t believe you all will be so racist to not vote for someone like Hillary who has fought for equal rights during the civil rights and her entire career. She has not gotten the respect she deserves, she may not be the BEST speaker, but she is an outstanding woman who has accomplished a lot for many people and has always been dedicated to the welfare of ALL Americans. I hope for the racial progress we've made in this country that you all do not ruin it over this, because there are MANY reasons people dont want him as President, and it is NOT because he is black! If you want to be so childish and grant John Mccain into the White House then you can blame yourself.
Seems odd it took so long for the comparisons to appear in print. Stevenson was nominated. McGovern was nominated. Were they good choices? Yes. Were they elected? No.
So how is Obama better or different?
How's Hillaty?
McGovern was a good man he served honorably in the Army air corps during WWII. He may have done better if he would have ran on his service record.
McGovern was gang slandered by his own party after his nomination
In all of these pro-Obama, anti-Hillary diatribes, I keep hoping beyond hope (pun intended) that the author will actually point out something significant that Barack has accomplished or has proposed. But to quote Yukon Cornelius, after he licks the pick-axe, "Nothin'!"
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Then you do the same, what is it specificaly that Hillary has done?
The people in the know will tell you Hillary did nothing but host a luncheon in Dublin; she didn't stop anything in Ireland. Check it out. She wasn't shot at in Bosnia.
All three of these candidates haven't run a thing. Look at Hillary’s campaign. It's a disaster; it's in debt and broke. Ask the vendors in Ohio who have filed suit because she hasn't paid them, she won't even return their calls. The only reason wants a 22nd debate is for free exposure, even after a huge surge of contributions she's still broke. Great fiscal management,
Here are a few things she can lay claim to:
FIRST FIRST LADY to come under criminal investigation
FIRST FIRST LADY to almost be indicted according to one of the special prosecutors
NUMBER of Hillary Clinton fundraisers convicted of, or pleading no contest to, crime: 5
NUMBER OF TIMES that Hillary Clinton, providing testimony to Congress, said that she didn't remember, didn't know, or something similar: 250
NUMBER OF CLOSE BUSINESS partners of Hillary Clinton who ended up in prison: 3.
HILLARY CLINTON AND HER HUSBAND set up a resort land scam known as Whitewater in which the unwitting bought third rate property 50 miles from the nearest grocery store and, thanks to the sleazy financing, about half the purchasers, many of them seniors, lost their property.
And no convictions, so what's your point? What exactly has BO done? (Besides run for office?)
Soooo, you couldn't think of anything BO has done, huh? LOL, better to attack Hillary then. What I really get a kick out of is how your same arguments could be used against Obama -- oh wait, that's right, it's racist when you point out his unfortunate associations. LMFAO
It would be good for Democrats to remember which party paid $50mil to investigate the Clintons coming up with nothing. Maybe people should be reminded about Obama's Syrian friend and fundraiser is being tried in Chicago for money laundering, fraud, influence peddling and other felonies. There is another donor, Iraqi billionaire and felon, Nadhmi Auchi. You "misspoke" about Whitewater, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised after all the lies told about Hillary over the years. The ambassador to Ireland at the time of the peace talks, has said Sen. Clinton'[s help in involving women in the peace process was "invaluable" so I guess that is a matter of opinion. Lord Trimble said her role was a "wee bit " exaggerated, but he continued on to deride the entire effort of all of the women involved.
Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Oct. 6, 2007: The children's health program wouldn't be in existence today if we didn't have Hillary pushing for it from the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue
Why do so many people seem to think that Hillary Clinton would be good on the economy when she has bankrupted her campaign?
She didnt bankrupt her campaign, she raised 10 mil after PA, in 24 hours, and campaigns dont have anything to do with the economy. If they do why do so many believe Obama would not bankrupt America with his state being broke, his global poverty bill that wants America to add $65bil/yr ontop of the $50bil we already pay for that, and him outspending millions and millions like crazy??
She has great, way more detailed plans, and she has more pull and knowhow to get them done.
Links please.
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She raised 10 million but she owed 11 million to creditors. He out spends her because he has many more contributors, DUH. You talk about the poverty Bill, we have spent close to a trillion dollars in Iraq. 57% of our National is owned by China.Listen whoever you are, there isn't a State in the US thats not close to Bankruptcy.
And where did you learn Grammar. Yours is terrible.
She has great, way more detailed plans, and she has more pull and knowhow to get them done. What?
I can guarantee you one thing for sure A year maybe 2 fromnow when things are really bad under Hillary, you will be the first to say you voted for Obama or McCain.
You may be left but you ain't right!!!!!
Ohmmm. Im left you are indeed wrong. Her campaign is indeed in debt to the tune of 11 million dollars. And many of us believe and it's been noted in the press, that the only reason she is still running is to raise enough money to clear her debt and pay herself the 5 million she had to infuse into her campaign.
Obama has helped legions of poor communities in and around Chicago. He did it by showing up everyday to neighborhoods that Hillary would never venture to- rat infested public housing communities with people who have addiction problems, health problems and people who don't speak good English.
These people are still citizens and deserve someone to advocate on their behalf. These are not the sort of People Hillary cares about. They don't donate millions to her campaign, they don't get invited to her high society dinners and they don't get to hob nob with Arab kings and they don't help Billary take more donations for the Billary Library.
What America needs now after bush Gate is a President who cares for every America not just those who have money. We need a strong, advocate for our needs as Americans. I don't care that he's black. I care that he has integrity, cares for even the poorest and has helped by putting the time in to talk to them and understand them, for they are us and we are Americans.
Great post...I couldn't agree more. Hopefully, Senator Obama and his top advisors are taking note of his supporters' sentiments.
He definitely needs to come out swinging. (Ugh...another boxing metaphor...but it makes my point.) He can't let Billary define him now (anymore than they already have)...because it will definitely hurt our chances in the fall.
You guys are missing the point. As Obama said today ( 4-26-08) He is not politics as usual. He refuses to engage is this type of politics, it's been the norm for to long and has accomplished nothing. That's all they do is fight back and forth and we suffer.
Congress and the President have the lowest rating with the American people in it's history. Doesn't that tell you something? There like a bunch of brats fighting over a piece of candy and were the candy.
All these negitive attacks aren't defining him it's defining them. The media wants this fighting to continue because it's news, that's how they get ratings, that's where the stories are.
Jesus did not fight with his aggressors, when asked if he was the King of the Jews he said "Give unto Ceaser that which is Ceasers, Give unto God that which is Gods. He didn't argue he didn't fight and he died for his beliefs and for us.
First, let's establish that he is NOT Jesus.
Secondly, let's establish that DEFINING himself IS NOT NEGATIVE, it is POSITIVE. RIGHT NOW those who want to see him LOSE ARE DEFINING HIM and to sit back makes him LOOK like he does NOT have the STRENGTH to STAND UP for himself.
Thirdly,If Rosa Parks had NOT been tired and ANGRY, she would have gotten up on the bus and where would the civil rights movement be?
Rebutting Accusers is NOT NEGATIVE. HE MUST NOW STAND UP.
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