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Dr. Elaine Schattner

Dr. Elaine Schattner

Posted: January 18, 2011 11:00 AM

Recently, the fraudulent work of Dr. Andrew Wakefield, who with his followers feverishly propounded a notion that childhood vaccines cause autism, fell further down the credibility ladder upon a detailed report published in the British Medical Journal. It turns out that cases reported in the original, retracted and long-ago renounced by his co-authors Lancet paper, were misrepresented from the start. To further clarify the subject, a review in the current New England Journal of Medicine details the history of the erroneous anti-vaccine movement.

The crusade against vaccines for once common illnesses like whooping cough, measles and polio has caused needless illness and deaths in children worldwide. Still, the debate may creep in on websites (such as this) and elsewhere. For doctors, patients and parents to understand to make sensible, volitional decisions, requires insight about why the movement attracted so many followers.

There are a few lessons in this story about communication in medicine and news:

1. People aren't always rational in their choices. If more doctors would acknowledge their patients' fear, rather than simply discounting their concerns as illegitimate, they might be more be more persuasive.

2. Misinformation spreads easily when people are under-educated. Journalists' and even some doctors' limited knowledge of basic science and statistics render us vulnerable to speculation and hype.

3. Sometimes even educated people are so desperate for an explanation, or for a solution to a medical problem, that they'll believe a smooth-talking scientist or doctor because they want to believe what he's saying is true. If vaccines were to cause autism, that would give people a sense of control, i.e. a way to avoid autism.

The truth is that, for the most part, we don't know why many diseases occur in some people and not in others. Not understanding is a frustrating and unsatisfying circumstance because it makes us feel powerless. We grasp at straws, when instead we should invest in research and better education.

 

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06:41 PM on 01/28/2011
Your cancer could have come from a contaminated vaccine.

Let's have SAFE vaccines not harmful ones.
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11:47 AM on 01/27/2011
Funny how BMJ was caught falsifying the evidence and not a peep of it here or in any other main stream media sources.
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03:54 PM on 01/26/2011
There is also a lack of historical education and context on the media's part (which admittedly isn't their job) with regard to the prevalence and effects of these diseases before vaccinations. Flu deaths alone were often among the top causes of death. I'm sure it was the tip top in 1918-1919 (20-million is the low estimate of deaths).
12:23 PM on 01/26/2011
See the new info exonerating Wakefield http://www.naturalnews.com/031116_Dr_Andrew_Wakefield_British_Medical_Journal.html.

This controversy was brewing long before Wakefield and McCarthy and will continue to brew regardless of their involvement.
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02:10 PM on 01/27/2011
Yes, we all know how "reliable" blogs like Natural News are, especially considering their purported source (an undated, unsigned "letter" posted on an anti-vax site). I really don't give this much credence. More than anything, if it is actually Wakefield, its simply a PR stunt to sell more copies of his book (especially as both the Naturalnews site and the anti-vax site carry a direct link to the site where you can purchase his book).
11:29 AM on 01/26/2011
Dear Dr. Schattner, III

(Final)

As a MD and oncologist and cancer survivor, you are probably familiar with Bernadine Healy MD.

Dr. Healy's contribution to women’s health over her career (Harvard; Johns Hopkins; Director, Research Institute, Cleveland Clinic; Director, NIH) was significant. Healy launched many innovative initiatives aimed squarely at women's health during her tenure as the (first female) Director of the NIH including, for example, creation of the $625 million Women's Health Initiative -a long-term health study involving 150,000 women- that among other things revealed that HRT significantly increases women’s risk for breast cancer, heart attack, and stroke. The Women's Health Initiative study resulted in a permanent 15% annual reduction in invasive estrogen positive breast cancer in post menopausal women in the US.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/changingthefaceofmedicine/physicians/biography_145.html

My point is, Dr. Healy is clearly not “under-educated” nor does she suffer from “limited knowledge of basic science and statistics.”

Yet, Dr. Healy has stated publicly this about the complex etiology of autism…

“This is the time when we do have the opportunity to understand whether or not there are susceptible children, perhaps genetically, perhaps they have a metabolic issue, mitochondrial disorder [e.g., Hannah Poling], immunological issue, that makes them more susceptible to vaccines plural, or to one particular vaccine, or to a component of vaccine, like mercury. So we now, in these times, have to, I think, take another look at that hypothesis; not deny it.”
02:14 PM on 01/26/2011
" And I think we have the tools today that we didn't have ten years ago, that we didn't have twenty years ago, to try and tease that out and find out if indeed there is that susceptible group. Why is this important? A susceptible group does not mean that vaccines are not good. What a susceptible group will tell us is that maybe there is a group of individuals, or a group of children, that shouldn't have a particular vaccine or shouldn't have vaccine on the same schedule. I do not believe that if we identified a susceptibility group, if we identified a particular risk factor for vaccines, or if we found out that maybe they should be spread out a little longer, I do not believe the public would lose faith in vaccines."

"Nobody's going to turn their back on vaccines. But, it is the job of the public health community, and of physicians, to be out there and to say, 'yes, we can make [vaccination] safer', because we are able to say, 'This is a subset. We're going to deliver [vaccines] in a way that we think is safer.' I think that the public would respect that.”

-Bernadine Healy, MD
Former Director, National Institutes of Health (NIH). Current member, National Academy of Science, Institute of Medicine (IOM).

CBS News. July 28, 2008.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/12/cbsnews_investigates/main4086809.shtml
02:22 PM on 01/26/2011
"One never should shy away from science. One should never shy away from getting causality information - in a setting in which you can test it. Populations [epidemiological studies] do not test causality, they test associations. You have to go into the laboratory, and you have to do designed research studies - in animals."

What we're seeing -in the bulk of the population- vaccines are safe. Vaccines are safe. But, there may be the susceptible group. The fact that there is concern, that you don't want to know that susceptible group, is a real disappointment to me. If you know that susceptible group you can save those children. If you turn your back on the notion that there's a susceptible group, that means that you are - um, what can I say?"

“I don't think you should ever turn your back on any scientific hypothesis because you're afraid of what it might show."

-Bernadine Healy, MD
Former Director, National Institutes of Health (NIH). Current member, National Academy of Science, Institute of Medicine (IOM).

CBS News. July 28, 2008.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/12/cbsnews_investigates/main4086809.shtml
10:30 AM on 01/26/2011
To the good Dr. perhaps instead of irrationality it is seeing disturbing fact . "Scientists fear MMR link to autism

"New American research shows that there could be a link between the controversial MMR triple vaccine and autism and bowel disease in children.

The study appears to confirm the findings of British doctor Andrew Wakefield, who caused a storm in 1998 by suggesting a possible link.
Now a team from the Wake Forest University School of Medicine in North Carolina are examining 275 children with regressive autism and bowel disease - and of the 82 tested so far, 70 prove positive for the measles virus.
Last night the team's leader, Dr Stephen Walker, said: 'Of the handful of results we have in so far, all are vaccine strain and none are wild measles.

'This research proves that in the gastrointestinal tract of a number of children who have been diagnosed with regressive autism, there is evidence of measles virus.

'What it means is that the study done earlier by Dr Wakefield and published in 1998 is correct........

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-388051/Scientists-fear-MMR-link-autism.html#ixzz1C9hRy9Gj

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-388051/Scientists-fear-MMR-link-autism.html#ixzz1C9h7kMfw
02:14 PM on 01/27/2011
The study you mention is dated. It's actually a 2006 study. The Daily Mail reported on it not long after it was completed. It's by no means "new."

http://blisstree.com/live/the-rush-to-report-on-mmrregressive-autism-study/?utm_source=blisstree&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=b5hubs_migration
02:54 AM on 01/26/2011
Dr. Schattner, II

In response to your remark that, “Misinformation spreads easily when people are under-educated. Journalists' and even some doctors' limited knowledge of basic science and statistics render us vulnerable to speculation and hype.”

Do you think that epidemiologist Irva Hertz-Picciotto [1] of the University of California MIND Institute is “under-educated” or that she suffers from “limited knowledge of basic science and statistics?” Here is her opinion on whether vaccination can contribute to the pathogenesis of some cases of autism…

“Does this mean that we can say without a doubt that vaccines do not cause autism in some children? The answer to this question is “no.” There is emerging evidence that some children are immunologically compromised and therefore may respond in an atypical way to vaccinations. Clearly more research needs to be carried out on the relationship between the immune system and autism.”

-University of California MIND Institute consensus statement.

http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/mindinstitute/newsroom/vaccineposition.html
03:32 AM on 01/26/2011
[1] Irva Hertz-Picciotto, PhD, MPH. Professor and Chief, Division of Environmental and Occupational Health, Department of Public Health Sciences, School of Medicine, UC Davis. Principal Investigator, NIEHS/CHARGE study (Childhood Autism Risks from Genetics and the Environment). Principal Investigator, Northern California sub-contract, NIEHS/EARLI study (Early Autism Risk Longitudinal Investigation). Principal Investigator, regional sub-contract, National Children's Study (NCS). Director, UC Davis Center on Environmental Factors & Autism, University of California MIND Institute. Hertz-Picciotto earned her MPH in epidemiology, MA in biostatistics, and PhD in epidemiology from the University of California at Berkeley.

http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/mindinstitute/research/faculty_staff.html
04:22 PM on 01/24/2011
Vaccine has caused more damage to people health than any benifits. Allergies and many auto-immune diseases rise is alarming. Yet some doctors trying to defend it, I think they need few more years to realise the demage or the some new research finally open up their eyes hopefully.
01:29 PM on 01/24/2011
Well science is a funny thing is it not . ...The value on several diagnostic test for cancer have been questioned for example http://healthland.time.com/2010/09/23/another-study-questions-the-benefit-of-routine-mammograms/ "When the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF) changed its screening-mammography guidelines last year — recommending against routine annual mammograms for women in their 40s — the announcement met with some resistance. Now a new study from Norway supports the USPSTF's decision. Based on an extensive review of the existing data, the USPSTF recommended that women delay routine screening mammograms until age 50. According to the data, the panel said, for women under 50 the risks of routine mammograms — including false-positive results, anxiety, and unnecessary and invasive treatments — outweighed the potential benefit in mortality reduction." The new study found that the benefit of this procedure was even less than the USPSTF thought How did the cancer treatment industry react I think the old song with a minor change in lyrics says it best ' Where gonna fight for the right to x ray" Science a funny thing

Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2010/09/23/another-study-questions-the-benefit-of-routine-mammograms/#ixzz1Byi6lNZE
08:39 AM on 01/24/2011
One of the counties in the United States with the highest vaccine refusal rate is also one of the wealthiest and also has one of the greatest percentage of people who have post-secondary education. It is fascinating that they are so willing to embrace some science such as global warming, yet have trouble with vaccine safety. It seems what people believe has less to do with science and more with what they think they know. I agree that some of the problem does rest on the shoulders of journalists. Reporting on a 12 patient case series and every conspiracy theory is not news, it is sensationalism. Journalists should be presenting facts.
10:32 AM on 01/24/2011
Dr. Gunter,
The seasonal flu vaccine uptake rate for medical personnel is said to be no more than 40%. Hep B vaccine uptake rate is around 60% for same. So what, in your opinion, factors into the decision of medical personnel to reject vaccines?
02:27 PM on 01/25/2011
Interesting and relevant question. Dr. Gunter, your answer?
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03:32 PM on 01/26/2011
I think that's exactly his point, that educated people don't always make educated decisions. First off, most simply don't do it, rather than "reject(ing)" it. Number one reason when someone does sign rejection at our hospital...they don't like getting shots. Shocker. People who work at hospitals are just like everyone else, not privy to some secret cabal of knowledge they're keeping from everyone else...they just don't like getting poked by needles.
01:40 PM on 01/24/2011
Here are some facts a new study found that boys vaccinated with HEP b vaccine as neonates had a 3 fold increase in autism. here is the study http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058170 Now why would any parent not in an abundance of caution wait the 30 days before vaccinating.
02:41 PM on 01/24/2011
Vince... Good point and good post!

As you can see from my many posts here, I support pediatric vaccination. But I do have some concerns (e.g., TCVs). And vaccinating infants on the day of birth with the HepB vaccine is another one of them. This study conducted by researchers at Stony Brook University Medical Center definately needs to be followed-up on.

Do you agree Dr. Gunter? Dr. Schattner?

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Gallagher CM, Goodman MS. “Hepatitis B vaccination of male neonates and autism diagnosis, NHIS 1997-2002.” Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health. 2010 Jan;73(24):1665-77.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058170

“Abstract: Universal hepatitis B vaccination was recommended for U.S. newborns in 1991; however, safety findings are mixed. … Findings suggest that U.S. male neonates vaccinated with the hepatitis B vaccine prior to 1999 had a threefold higher risk for parental report of autism diagnosis compared to boys not vaccinated as neonates during that same time period.”

-Carolyn Gallagher PhD
Population Health and Clinical Outcomes Research, Stony Brook University Medical Center, State University of New York at Stony Brook.
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09:13 PM on 01/23/2011
I've been asked if there is a genetic marker that can be screen for, why isn't that mandatory before any vaccine is administered, and that is a good question. Yet it is only one acknowledged connection between vaccines and autism. The reality is there isn't enough good scientific data because systematic and objective studies have not been invested in on either vaccine safety or the causes of autism (as you acknowledge in the last paragraph of your piece) for parents to have enough information to make an informed decision. The media storm that has swirled with dissenters, critiquers and wondering parents being treated so incredibly disrespectfully as "fevered followers" to use your example certainly hasn't helped. It has just escalated the scepticism in the medical establishment and our "experts" that has been building for years. The increase in vaccines from a few to the barrage inflicted on infants in there first year, the mandatory laws, these arose out of political decisions, including threats from big Pharma to get out of the vaccine business unless they could rely on a steady market leaving the country without defense if a new epidemic arose not to mention their threats if they were held criminally liable for vaccine injury. That is supposed to reassure parents or the public? This on top of the last few years of HRT raising risks of breast cancer, studies showing iatrogenic effects being in the top five causes of death in this country. Look to your own house.
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11:17 AM on 01/25/2011
great posts, the 3 that i've read.
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06:51 PM on 01/26/2011
Its not vaccine safety that has not been studied, but genetic markers that may show there could be some connection between something about vaccination and some people's genetic make-ups.

BTW, there are no mandatory laws regarding vaccinations.
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10:32 PM on 01/26/2011
I am not sure what alternate reality you live in it certainly isn't mine, not trying to be rude. Almost every state has laws that do not allow entry into schools without showing full immunization according to medical schedules. Most schools do not inform parents of their rights to an exception to this requirement, even in the states that allow for conscientious objector forms to be signed and notorized or a physician's statement that health concerns (such as a compromized immune system) contraindicate vaccines being administered to that particular child.

Vaccine safety has not been studied on each individual vaccine prior to their release in the scientific sense of a true double blind study with a large sample ironically because of ethical issues involved with experimenting on children. Yet they are released and added to required immunizations in legislatures, only afterward after a decade or two is a a vaccine version recalled because of revealed problems, much as has been happening more and more like recently with drugs like vioxx and Avandia--or there have been many recent recalls for production problems like Paxil, children's Tylenol some are contaminated. The original batches of swine flu vaccine made a year ago were tested independently and had to be destroyed because they somehow accidently gotten contaminated with unrelated live virus. quality control is non-existent apparently, the chemical soup included in them is ridiculous.

The genetic marker has already been demonstrated and is recognized by the vaccine court.
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11:36 PM on 01/26/2011
As an example of a vaccine being withdrawn (besides the many for production problems, or the recall for a measles vaccine that was both too "live" not weakened enough and a mutated virus that infected others exposed who were otherwise fully immune to normal measles, that was pretty cute) I would cite the ending of using the live polio vaccine that eventually had too many adverse events, and caused cases of polio (the majority of the polio cases being reported annually to the CDC) without any ability to prove the manufacturer's claims that it would provide a greater rate of immunity for a longer time and generally vaccines do not ensure lifetime immunity the way having a case of childhood mumps (which is a dangerous disease for adults and can cause sterility in men) or chicken pox have traditionally provided. Smallpox vaccine was an example of the effectiveness of the idea of vaccines resulting in its eradication, (except of for those stockpiles of the live virus stored around the world) yet its known dangers resulted in it no longer being given to children as the risks were acknowledged to outweigh benefits. Withdrawn.
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09:02 PM on 01/23/2011
The problem for many of us is that the "smooth talking doctor" has frequently been the one selling the Big Pharma product. Your little opinon piece venting your feelings about this issue, Dr. Schattner, uses all the textbook earmarks of "slanted" persuasive writing that those of us who took English 101 were taught to view with suspicion. Parents rather than being supported to make volitional and sensible decisions for their particular children have been shamed and hounded and ridiculed for forming their own opinons about health care, not just vaccines but things like forced chemotherapy when outcomes are not proven and causes are unclear. I have a nephew who had one of those acknowledged poor reactions to his measles vaccines, he had a seizure and stopped breathing and has autism, he went from a normally developing bright and happy healthy youngster in a twinkling of an eye. He is one of the few who are medically acknowledged as being a result of a vaccine "accident", he is now 16 and only in the last couple of years has the science caught up so that his blood test verifies he has the genetic vulnerability that means the liver processes toxins so slowly. I stopped vaccinating my kids earlier after one son developed full blown polio from his polio vaccine and another got encephelitis from a measles vaccine, and I was told he should have been screened out after having an adverse reaction from his first baby shots.
05:44 PM on 01/22/2011
Dr. Schattner, I

I am not anti-vaccine. I vaccinated my kids. Vaccination is important. Vaccines work. Vaccines do significantly inhibit the development of disease (morbidity) against the strains of pathogens that we vaccinate for. This includes some pathogens that can cause serious illness and complications in children. By the way, many of the parents in the autism community who are accused of being “anti-vaxers” agree with everything I just stated above.

None of this means that vaccination does not seriously harm some children. Hence, the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 which created the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP). Which in turn has paid out $1,938,523,762.48 ($1.9 billion) in damages from serious vaccine injuries since 1988 alone.

Yes, pediatric vaccination is extremely important to public health. And, yes, vaccination is tolerated well by the vast majority of children. But ~4 million infants are born in the US every year. If even small subsets of the population (say a total of 1% or even .01%) do not tolerate vaccination well and respond to vaccination atypically due to genetic (and/or other reasons); we are talking about thousands of children per year.

We need to identify these vulnerable populations. And we need to develop screening tools for these populations, so that they will not be “sacrificed” for the sake of the herd. That is what we are asking. I do not think that is unreasonable. That is the big picture.

*We can do better.
06:09 PM on 01/22/2011
We can do better.

This bears reiterating. I am not saying that we should not vaccinate children. Absolutely not. I am saying that we need to better study why some children are seriously harmed by vaccination. We need to study how to identify vulnerable populations. Vaccine injured children and children with autism have been poorly studied (see Dr. Healy's brutally frank interview a few threads below).

We --urgently-- need to develop biological markers, tests, and screening tools for these pediatric populations, so that they will not have to be “sacrificed” for the sake of the herd. No child, no parent, and no family should have to be the victim of a serious vaccine injury.
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06:10 PM on 01/22/2011
The reasoning about what the VICP is to deflect lawsuits without admitting fault, regardless of the validity of the lawsuits. The fact that it paid out money is not a solid premise on which to found any doubt for the safety of vaccines. We live in a litigious society, VICP is just a phenomenon within that paradigm.

Your position, though, is sound. One would hope that the crazy anti-vaccinators don't take it as a sign of weakness that our side is willing to take a middle path.
02:22 AM on 01/23/2011
I sure hope the crazy anti smokers don't take the tobacco settlements that way. Or those crazy goons that think asbestos causes harm.
02:28 AM on 01/23/2011
You don't pay 1.9 billion in settlements as a sign of strength.
10:40 AM on 01/22/2011
I followed your article with interest, and was even willing to re-evaluate my thinking on vaccines, that is, until point 2:

2. Misinformation spreads easily when people are under-educated. Journalists' and even some doctors' limited knowledge of basic science and statistics render us vulnerable to speculation and hype.

Fact is, it's mostly EDUCATED people , who've done their own research , that are anti-vaccine. Many of the studies which are published in Medical Journals, are done by people that somehow have ties to pharmaceutical companies, and therefore have a stake in promoting vaccines. Fact is, there ARE numerous side effects, sometimes fatal, in ALL vaccines. Just look up Gardasil...
Sorry, in my opinion, just because it's published in a Medical Journal, doesn't mean I'll trust it.
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11:10 PM on 01/21/2011
I've seen several comments suggesting that "thimerosal has been removed from all children's vaccines, yet autism continues to rise, so doesn't that prove no link between vaccines and autism?"

WRONG.

The latest data we have about autism spectrum disorder diagnosis is from 2007. This data is in regards ONLY to children born before 2004. While the vaccine companies began PRODUCING thimerosal -free children's vaccines in 2001/2002, they continued to sell and distribute the old thimerosal -preserved versions for as long as their shelf life was good. And pediatrici ans continued to use them. Our pediatrici an was still using thimerosal -preserved children's vaccines in 2004.

In other words, THERE IS NO DATA YET ABOUT THE RATE OF AUTISM IN CHILDREN WHO HAVE RECEIVED ONLY THIMEROSAL-FREE VACCINES, nor can there be, as children are receiving yearly doses of thimerosal -preserved flu shots, as are women in all stages of pregnancy. Yes, thimerosal crosses the placenta. And 90% of the flu shots available are preserved with thimerosal .
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Eric Mann
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11:34 AM on 01/22/2011
How about this then-there is no link between thimerosol and Autism.
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12:09 PM on 01/22/2011
That's a huge problem. Removing Thimerosol somehow "proved" to some people that there was something wrong with it to begin with.
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01:27 PM on 01/22/2011
Eric Mann: "How about this then-there is no link between thimerosol and Autism."

That's like the tobacco executives claiming that there was no link between cigarette smoking and lung cancer.