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American Christians Cannot Claim Persecution

Posted: 08/16/2012 5:42 pm

I've been attending City Council meetings recently. At my first meeting, it surprised me when they began with a lengthy, detailed prayer. Not just any prayer, but one that ended with the words, "In Jesus name, Amen." As I looked around the Council chambers wide-eyed with disbelief, I saw that almost everyone had their head bowed and eyes closed, murmuring or nodding along.

As a Christian, I have no problem with prayer, and definitely no problem with Jesus' name. But as someone who's studied both religion and government, I was concerned. Many wise leaders, both secular and religious, have pointed out how dangerous it can be to mix the power of government, with the force of religion. Even a religion like Christianity, led by a man who was firm in His apathy toward the government.

Though many expected him to overthrow the government and become the rightful King, Jesus instructed His followers that they should not concern themselves with "this world." He told them His kingdom was in "another place." Instead of taking the seat they thought belonged to Him, He did the opposite. He let Pilate turn him over to the religious rulers of the day who ultimately executed him.

It's understandable why the Jews who followed Jesus wanted him to takeover the Roman government. They'd been persecuted, enslaved, exiled and killed because of their religion and culture. From Pharaoh's killing of the first borns to the mistreatment by the Roman government of Jesus day, all that His followers had known was hatred and intolerance. Yet still, Jesus reminded these early Christian converts that the government wasn't His or their concern. What He told them to focus on instead was loving the Lord, and their neighbors. To focus on the eternal, not the fleeting life they were living.

More than 2,000 years later, some Christians seem to have completely forgotten this essential teaching of Jesus. Even worse, they seem to have forgotten what it really means to be persecuted.

Beatings, stonings, imprisonment, these were some of the "lighter" things early Christians faced because they refused to deny their faith. Death by wild animal attack, while listening to cheers in a packed coliseum, was one of the worst. In some places in the world today -- like Iran, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen, North Korea or Saudia Arabia -- Christians can still be imprisoned or killed because of their beliefs.

What is important to note is what these Christians were, or are, being persecuted for -- their faith and belief in Jesus Christ, and Christ alone.

Understanding that, it is reprehensible how many American Christians have recently claimed that they too are being "persecuted." Not for proclaiming a faith in Jesus Christ, but for supporting causes and issues that Jesus never said a word on. Specifically, some Christians are claiming that their religious freedom is being infringed, and they're facing persecution, because they aren't able to vocally support oppression toward homosexuals without facing opposition.

Not opposition from the government -- no one is threatening to remove the tax exemption of every church who urges it's congregation to vote against gay marriage -- but opposition from "the world." The same world that Jesus said Christians were not be focused on, since they were not a part of it.

These are the same Christians who, led by Mike Huckabee, flocked in droves to Chick-fil-A a couple weeks ago to "support" a man they claimed was being persecuted for using his first amendment right to free speech. It's important to note that Dan Cathy didn't use this right to speak only about his faith in Christ, or his reasons for closing his business on Sundays, but to warn people what would happen if we didn't stand up for "biblical marriage." The words that inspired thousands of Christians to get out and do something weren't words about Christ at all, they were words meant to oppress a group of people long discriminated against by Christians. But the ones claiming persecution the loudest weren't the LGBT people Cathy had spoken against, but the Christians who were doing the oppression.

That shows just how much is wrong with Christianity today.

Christians have gone from a group of believers willing to die for a man that preached loving your enemies, to people who are known more for who they are against, than who they love. Yet if anyone points that out, instead of humbly asking forgiveness, they cross their arms across their chests, plug their fingers in their ears and claim persecution. Ignoring the fact that when 75 percent of all Americans call themselves Christians, and city council meetings start with prayers in Jesus' name, to claim persecution is to lie boldly, without shame.

We've transformed from a group of radical lovers, to a bunch of whiners who bully around other people, then claim they were the ones who started it first.

Even though we live in a country where a church is on almost every block, and government officials are sworn in on Bibles, some Christians still claim they're not being treated fairly. Perhaps that is because they're far too focused on how their being treated, then how they're treating others.

Until Christians endure the same threats, mocking and ostracization that their LGBT brothers and sisters face every day, they can't claim they're being persecuted. Especially since those threats, the mocking and the ostracizing that LGBT people face almost always comes from Christians themselves.

 

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12:44 PM on 10/04/2012
I don't think there is anything wrong with Christianity itself, but it is the way SOME Christians represent it today. I guess the only thing that bothered me was that you talked about Christians like we were all one in the same, even if you are a Christian also, and frankly, there are also Christians who don't act in the ways you wrote about in your blog. You came across like you thought all Christians discriminated against gays, and that all Christians were whiners and etc. It just gets under my skin because you come across as if you are tarnishing a whole religion for one individual's controversial actions who happens to be apart of that religion.
09:53 PM on 08/24/2012
I agree that American Christians can, indeed, not claim persecution. Also, that I myself am "far too focused on [myself, rather than] how [I'm] treating others." The Lord is definitely leading me to serve and be more other-centered....a continual struggle of mine. I get confused when you say that Christians are "people who are known more for who they are against" because this isn't an us/them issue. It's not about being against people. It's about what one believes about marriage. It's possible to love people but disagree with them. I do it all the time with my husband.
04:54 PM on 08/21/2012
Right on, Emily!
07:12 AM on 08/21/2012
The idea "that Jesus never said a word" about homosexuality is misleading, and promoting it is poor journalism. It's explained here: http://wp.me/p2lYWR-2R
11:12 PM on 08/20/2012
Great article describing juvenile, incorrigible children.
08:15 PM on 08/20/2012
Emily, I'll try not to reply in a frustrated manner. I too am a Christian, and believe that although we are not facing the same type of persecution here in America as our brothers and sisters throughout the world, I really don't think you know what has been happening most of which the media does not report on. Have you heard of the man in Arizona who went to jail just for hosting a home Bible study? just google it. did you know I have read numerous accounts of pro-life advocates arrested for protesting peacefully? did you know Christians have been arrested here where I live in Michigan!! for witnessing peacefully at an Arab festival in Dearborn Michigan. ( they have a video about it ) go to answeringmuslims.com and click on dearborn. How about the two young men who were shot and killed in Florida after witnessing to another young man. How about Obama forcing us to pay abortion inducing pills. Taking prayer and the Bible out of public schools. Removing of crosses and religious Christian symbols throughout the country. Did you forget that this nation was founded by Christians?? or do you believe the lie evolutionists say when they call that a lie? Did you know congress had bibles printed? and paid for them to be sent to families and schools? watch the movie Monumental that came out to theaters. Please Google Christian Persecution in America. God bless you.
06:21 AM on 08/21/2012
I'll have to research the first bit of your comment. But once you started going on your rant about taking the bible out of public schools and such, you seem to forget we have separation of church and state. It is set out in the establishment clause of the first amendment of our constitution. Also, read Jefferson's letter regarding the matter. We're not meant to have bibles in our schools, we have Churches and bible school for that. We're not founded on Christianity, and while some of those who founded this country were Christians, many were also Deist and all of them were above all secularist. It states clearly in Article 6 of our constitution "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."
06:23 AM on 08/21/2012
Did you also know that one of our first treaties drafted under President George Washington and signed by President Adams explicitly states that WE ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION. Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.". Keep your religion out of my government, it is the only way we can ever ensure that people of all faiths or with no faith are treated equally, your faith gets no special privileges.
04:41 PM on 08/20/2012
Christians in the United States cannot claim to be persecuted, at least in any sense proportional to the sufferings of Christians in many places in the world. Agreed. We might call it an exaggeration to say so, perhaps even a gross exaggeration. Fair enough--though to fail to sense a foul wind blowing is, in my opinion, quite naive. But point taken.

Then in the next breath, the words of Dan Cathy--which didn't even mention "gay marriage", which echo the position of the majority of Christians in this country, and which mirror the position taken by Barack Obama as recently as six months ago--constitute "vocally supporting oppression towards homosexuals." Well.

The interesting thing is that thousands of liberals will read the author's words and likely be as oblivious to the hilarious irony in the author's words as is the author herself.
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taoistpunk
because the monks wouldn't have me..
10:00 AM on 08/21/2012
another interesting thing is that you and nearly every other religionist commenting on cathy would like everyone to ignore the fact that he funds hate groups. and that is the reason why the straw broke the camels back.

nothing happens in a vacuum, but i guess when you live your life thinking, "the sky fairy did it" cause and effect isn't really your strong suit.

nor, by the way, is your understanding of the word, "irony".
03:25 PM on 08/20/2012
Ok...Knowing this first, [because you put GOD In CHRIST JESUS as priority and above all according to HIS WORD] that there shall come in the last days scoffers (people who mock you and treat you with scorn) walking after their own lusts and desires and saying, Where is the Promise Of HIS Coming?... For this they willingly are ignorant of this, that by The WORD Of GOD The Heavens were of old and the Earth standing (emerging) out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed w/ water, perished: But The Heavens and The Earth which are now, by The Same WORD are kept in store, reserved unto fire against The Day of Judgement and perdition of unGodly people. The LORD is not slack concerning HIS Promise, as some count slackness; but HE is longsuffering to us, not willing that any shoul perish, but that all should come to repentence. The Day Of The LORD will come as a thief in the night...As in all epistles, [because these people lack understanding] they that are unlearned and unstable wrest [twist], as they do other Scriptures unto their own destruction. Beloved, seeing you know these things, beware lest you also be led astray with the error of the wicked and fall from your Faith, but grow in Grace and in The Knowledge of our LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST. ( II Peter Chap. 3) GOD Is The GLORY! AMEN!
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taoistpunk
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10:04 AM on 08/21/2012
this much inanity is a fine argument for why some may want to persecute you.

but it is a long way from an argument that you are persecuted.
03:54 PM on 08/23/2012
Persecute- To oppress or harass with ill treatment because of belief, etc. 2. to annoy persistently; bother. As soon as an individual proclaim GOD's SON, CHRIST JESUS, then suddenly; anti-CHRISTs start trying to shut down their businesses, rally to get them out of their jobs and or positions, talked about with such hostility and abuse and lied on with these people trying to instill fear, etc. That is persecution. But The WORD Of GOD tells HIS Children that all who live GODly in CHRIST JESUS shall suffer persecution because evil people and seducers will wax (increase, grow) worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. We who Love GOD must continue in The HOLY Scriptures which are able to make us Wise unto SALVATION through Faith which is in CHRIST JESUS. (II Timothy 3:12-17) To GOD Be The GLORY! : )
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01:45 PM on 08/20/2012
Christians have been redefining what it means to be christian for over thirty years. I remember cringing in the early 80s, at the beginning of the transformation of christianity into a sort of club for violent haters who derive pleasure from the suffering of others. I remember when it wasn't exactly like that. Those were better times, religionwise.
04:14 PM on 08/20/2012
You are using a broad brush to paint all Christians the same way, much like you criticize Christians for doing with homosexuals. We are not all the same. Yes, the bible most definitely points out homosexuality as a sin (even in the new testament, and just as intolerable to God as looking at porn or coveting someone else's wife). It is not my place to judge where homosexuals will be spending eternity. The Father has entrusted all judgement to the Son (not me).
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09:33 PM on 08/20/2012
False equivalency. My disdain for christians is nothing at all like christians' disdain for gay people.

Your bible citation makes my case. Most christians think the bible is composed of hundreds of pages of irrelevant ramblings in which is embedded a command to hate homosexuals. Jackpot! The tons of stuff in the bible like commands to stone a woman to death for not being a virgin, or the abomination of wearing a wool and linen blend, they pretend not to notice.

It's the hatred that give them joy.
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01:31 PM on 08/20/2012
Absolutely correct.
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thebearclaw007
Is your conscience functioning properly?
12:40 PM on 08/20/2012
"I've been attending City Council meetings recently..the Council chambers wide-eyed with disbelief, I saw that almost everyone had their head bowed and eyes closed, murmuring or nodding along."

LOL, they were being respectful frauds.

"More than 2,000 years later, some Christians seem to have completely forgotten this essential teaching of Jesus."

That's why I said they were being respectful frauds.

"Specifically, some Christians are claiming that their religious freedom is being infringed...able to vocally support oppression toward homosexuals without facing opposition."

Supporting oppression against another human being is something Jesus would not have done. Christian oppression against homosexuals is a psychosis.

"That shows just how much is wrong with Christianity today."

Just Christianity? You're a little narrow-minded here, but I can tell you're only speaking for LGBT folks.

"Christians have gone from a group of believers..., to people who are known more for who they are against, than who they love."

Oh, the anti-Christ, OK.

"Yet if anyone points that out, instead of humbly asking forgiveness,...and claim persecution."

How curious. Racists do the same thing. Oh, sorry we're just denigrating Christians right now, I forgot.

"Until Christians endure the same threats, mocking and ostracization that their LGBT brothers and sisters face every day..., the mocking and the ostracizing that LGBT people face almost always comes from Christians themselves."

I hear ya, but my mind isn't as narrow as yours.
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taoistpunk
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10:23 AM on 08/21/2012
how do you figure her mind is any more narrow than yours?
you think the essentials of writing is to not edit content for effect? that persuasive arguments should always be as nebulous as possible?

of course not.

you decided you didn't like the way she said what she said and then drove towards your condemnation, ignoring as much as you liked to achieve the effect you wanted.

how narrow does that make you?
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11:13 PM on 08/21/2012
I don't know whether or not you received my initial comment. But the reason I believe the article is narrow-minded is because it's "selective crusading." Selective crusading happens when people try to convince others to have concern for their issues and their grievances, but do not show in their articles how their grievances connect to the plight of those who are in similar situations to theirs, or articles that are disconnected from the human condition as a whole. How can one really expect sympathy and concern for their cause when they demonstrate no concern or are completely blind and indifferent to the plight of other who suffering from similar conditions. That's selective crusading to me, very popular on HuffPo. Personally, I thought the article missed or didn't care to make important connections it could have made, and from which it could have benefited and gained further support. Thanks for you comment.
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11:25 AM on 08/20/2012
Very good article, though I don't think Jesus or the Apostles were "apathetic" towards government. Anyone who has ever read the NT closely knows that there is an ongoing critique of Rome going on under the surface of the gospels and epistles, and especially the Book of Revelation.
10:28 AM on 08/20/2012
Standing and clapping. Well said. ^_^
06:34 AM on 08/20/2012
"From Pharaoh's killing of the first borns "
Whoa, slow down. It was an Angel of The Lord who went around killing the firstborn in the story, for the sins of some of their fathers. You know, the Lord who is also the same person as Jesus? Who had to order each Jewish house marked to protect it from the Angel who could apparently not be informed by His Omnipotence in any more hygienic or savory manner? During the Egyptian captivity of the Jewish people that never happened, according to the archaeological evidence? The Lord who declares that he will not punish descendants for their fathers's sins, yet does so on multiple occasions?
02:39 PM on 08/20/2012
The king of Egypt said to the Hebrew midwives, one of whom was named Shiphrah and the other Puah, “When you act as midwives to the Hebrew women, and see them on the birthstool, if it is a boy, kill him; but if it is a girl, she shall live.” Exodus 1:15-16 (NRSV)

... so, not targeting the 'first-born', but all the males.

As to discrediting the story because of the fragmentary archaeological record I can't say as this is convincing: essentially, arguing from silence. The Hebrew Bible gives us a narrative that is apt to be one-sided in its description of history, but it is not an illegitimate witness anymore than the hieroglypic inscriptions on Egyptian monuments that glorified the pharoahs are to be dismissed as complete fictions. So, I believe it is fair to say that Exodus speaks to a formative period in the life of the nation of Israel and is derived from real historical events. However, for the Egyptians, this uprising by a subject people (which they surely were) may have been of too little importance to them to record and give their interpretation, or sufficiently embarrassing for them to erase it from their history.
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taoistpunk
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10:34 AM on 08/21/2012
i believe it is fair to say that there is a pretty big gap between what you believe is fair to say and what most people agree defines truth. and some of the words you find filling that gap are "evidence" and "facts".

there may have been a jewish exodus, but without evidence it deserves no more historical merit than the garden of eden.
11:18 PM on 08/19/2012
And for all those who say "My church doesn't (insert self justifying drivel)...we just don't PRETEND that their lifestyles are right", that's still bullshit. It's also extremely demeaning. This means that your "acceptance" of LGBT people is no more than CHARITY, the same way you'd give a dollar to a hobo. We do not want your pity or charity. Just butt out of our personal lives till we invite you in. And you'd be a lot better off if you spent more time praying or something, and less time visualizing what I do in the bedroom.