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Childfree: Daily Mail Blames Career Women For 'Enforced' Male Childlessness

Posted: 05/10/2012 6:03 pm

The decision to have a child with a romantic partner isn't one most adults take lightly. There's usually quite a bit of discussion involved, and generally both parties have to be into the idea of procreating before they try to conceive together. However, a Daily Mail article published this week suggests that in many cases, one partner -- the driven career woman, specifically -- is making the decision for both people involved, and she's deciding to deprive her husband of the joy of fatherhood.

The piece, titled, "The broody men left bereft by wives with high-flying careers who refuse to have babies," isn't completely devoid of merit. Women are having fewer children these days in the U.S. and the U.K., and they often delay having those children until later in life. Those trends absolutely impact men, and a better version of the article might have prompted a conversation around what the Daily Mail calls "the taboo of male childlessness," which one of the men interviewed for the story, Philip Reed, 45, spoke to directly: "It didn't feel 'normal' to tell people that I was the one in the relationship who wanted children,'" he told the Daily Mail. "I only confided in a couple of friends."

The idea that men might feel less empowered than women to voice their desire to be parents deserves our attention. However, the Daily Mail piece frames the issue in a completely unproductive way -- blaming "career women" for "denying" their partners children.

Most of the article focuses on Philip and his significant other, Sophie Thomas, 42, describing their situation:

If his inability to become a father was due to fertility problems, he would receive sympathy. But the real reason is something no amount of medical intervention can remedy: His partner Sophie Reed's unwillingness to have children. An ambitious career woman, Sophie, 42, is adamant that motherhood holds no place in her life, and no amount of pleading from Philip has been able to persuade her otherwise.

The Mail later quotes Philip saying that he was "confused" by Sophie's lack of interest in motherhood because children "gravitated towards her" at family gatherings. (Note: Liking to play with children does not mean you want to birth them.) Yet he also acknowledged to the Mail that Sophie explicitly stated early on in their relationship that she never wanted children:

"I was taken aback, but parenthood was an abstract idea for me at that stage and I assumed at some point her biological clock would tick and she would change her mind."

I can only imagine how difficult it must be for a committed couple to disagree on something as fundamental as having kids. However, if they don't agree, that doesn't make the person who doesn't want kids the villain, especially if she never hid her feelings on the subject. Insinuating that women are to "blame" for not wanting children perpetuates the myth that women who don't want children are somehow defective females.

HuffPost Comedy editor Carol Hartsell recently wrote about her own experience of forgoing motherhood and her frustration with the rhetoric often directed toward "childless" women:

Just because a lot of us can have babies, doesn't mean we should; it also doesn't mean we should feel like we should. To suggest otherwise is to teach young girls a pernicious lesson: yes, you can have a career, but it's even more rewarding to have a baby.

The decision to become a parent -- or not -- is already complex and loaded. No woman needs the Daily Mail guilting her for her choices.

 

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The decision to have a child with a romantic partner isn't one most adults take lightly. There's usually quite a bit of discussion involved, and generally both parties have to be into the idea of proc...
The decision to have a child with a romantic partner isn't one most adults take lightly. There's usually quite a bit of discussion involved, and generally both parties have to be into the idea of proc...
 
 
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12:32 PM on 05/20/2012
My husband didn't want another child, in fact he didn’t want the one we have so he went and had a vasectomy. Then didn't tell me until a year later when I asked him if we could have more children. It was HIS choice! ! I had NO control over that.
08:09 PM on 05/19/2012
Women aren't worth it, especially these days, most are **** (become a misogynist & enjoy your life!)
08:20 PM on 05/19/2012
Science is advancing!
Morrisfactor
Just a little bent
04:47 AM on 05/15/2012
"Insinuating that women are to "blame" for not wanting children perpetuates the myth that women who don't want children are somehow defective females."

Wait a minute. A common theme among women is complaining about men who don't want kids.

It usually goes like this:

"Insinuating that men are to "blame" for not wanting children perpetuates the myth that men who don't want children are somehow immature males."
06:42 PM on 05/14/2012
This man, like many women when they enter middle age, may be feeling the ticking of his biological clocks. He's 45 and she's 42. Even if men can have children later in life than women, how many people really want to? Doesn't sound like she is going to budge, and even if she did, he would end up regretting it. Why bring a child into the world if one parent doesn't want it here?
04:58 PM on 05/14/2012
Huffpost makes me hate being a guy. Everything is our fault, can't find job, woman are taking over the world, there is no men's section on here( please don't say the sports section or my favorite "everything else"), women don't want babies, men set up society to control woman, etc etc.

I thought we set up society to you know, survive as a species. Oh silly me.
05:39 PM on 05/15/2012
Nah, everything's not men's fault but, statistically, there are more women in the world, so why are there mostly men causing: homicide, war, rape robbery, extortion, organized crime, drug trafficking...and then they want to go to congress and limit WOMEN's rights? Ha! cute.
07:04 PM on 05/15/2012
That is a good question, why is my gender the vast majority of voilent deaths in the world.  Why is that? Is there something wrong with maleness?  Who raises us?  
05:41 PM on 05/15/2012
Btw, there is no man's section here because everything, but default, is usually a man's section. Same reason there was a time when affirmative action was necessary; everything was white by default. Get over it. It's our turn.
07:05 PM on 05/15/2012
At least you're up front and I hope you have no sons. Your turn, now who's being cute?
12:44 PM on 05/14/2012
Let's see, a bunch of self-centered women that are not having babies...I'm sorry...what was the problem again?
04:36 PM on 05/14/2012
LOl So it;'s self centered if women dont want to have children? A woman's value is not determined by whether she has a child or not.
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goatini
We are two-legged wombs, that’s all
08:19 PM on 05/14/2012
Why do you say that women who aren't having kids are "self-centered"?
12:15 PM on 05/15/2012
Did you read the post from women on this site?
 
I didn't see any that said, "I'm choosing not to have kids because of X,Y and Z."
 
All I see is a bunch of women saying that they are being controlled by men if they have kids. Which I find funny because I have bright and successful women that I work with that have children; and they don't consider themselves being controlled.
 
Should we all go home and try to help our mother escape the tyranny of giving us life? While we're there we can press charges on our fathers for suppressing our mothers right?
 Let me know when you'd like to get started.
12:39 PM on 05/14/2012
If Philip and Sophie aren't married, which the story suggests they are not, then they're not in as committed a relationship as they might possibly choose to enter into. Sophie is already 42, who can blame her for not wanting a high-risk pregnancy at advanced maternal age, to deal with children into her retirement years, and all with a guy she's not even in a legally sanctioned relationship with? Plus, she told him early on she didn't want children, he's got nothing to complain about. If they're not married he doesn't even have to go through a divorce to find another woman who DOES want a family.
04:37 PM on 05/14/2012
Correct, if this is all important to him he needs to move on and find someone who wants to have a child. It really is as simple as that.
10:53 AM on 05/14/2012
Now....about you men that still think there's value in marrying American....
12:19 PM on 05/14/2012
Righto! Off to the impoverished countries to import submissive breeder-types, pronto! Extra points if she can't fight back...in English, anyway...just hide her passport!
11:24 AM on 05/15/2012
Don't make me laugh. Feminists have been using these label tactics on men for years. If you marry a foreign women you want a "submissive breeder." PLEEEEEASE!
 
I have several friends that married gorgeous (inside and out) foreign women.
 
These women are spoiled rotten. These women are treated well because their husbands are equally treated well. Everyone is happy.
 
American men are finally waking up to the truth. Feminists lead American men into believing their wives should be a constant problem in their live, this is WRONG. Men are starting to accept relationships as a continuous uphill battle.
 
American men reading books about 107 things a man must do to make sure his woman is happy. Seriously?
 
American men have been guinea pigs in feminists marriage experiments.
 
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thelilithian
"I can, therefore I am." -Simone Weil
09:57 PM on 05/15/2012
lol Cascadienne, or how many times have these "marriages" ended up with the imported wife leaving her hubby for a younger, hotter American man as soon as that citizenship comes through? Gotta love the irony!
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Goldie Treasure
Biracial.25.Sarcastic.Mod>Rep=Dem
06:30 PM on 05/14/2012
I hope you saved up enough money to buy yourself a woman, you will not be missed by American women.
11:32 AM on 05/15/2012
Have you checked the stats my dear? American men slowly quit marrying women over the past couple years.
 
Men are slowly waking up.
viciousvirago
Veritatum Dilexi
09:50 AM on 05/14/2012
Oh, God, this is funny. Whining men for a change. Usually it's the women who are usually shown whining their asses off.

IF you want to become a mother, you do not take a job that leaves you gone l4 hours a day. What is the purpose of having a child if you do not intend to mother that child?

I have two stay at home fathers in my 'hood who are excellent dads. The wives are an airline pilot and the other a doctor. Both dads are friendly, well organized and (I would assume) good husbands because these couples have been married for l5 and 20 years, respectively.

You had BETTER know what your soon to be spouse wants out of the marriage BEFORE you marry. People do not make sea changes in their lives unless something vitally important is involved.

I think it's absolutely fantastic that men WANT to become fathers. Great news. A great leap forward for mankind in this country.
04:39 PM on 05/14/2012
Wow, your post seems enlightened but you are judgmental beyond belief. So. it;'s generally assumed to be ok for fathers to work long hours because it is assumed he is the breadwinner even though in the majority of homes with two parents, both parents work. But if a woman wants to have a child she better not work long hours? Uhhh no. Fathers are fully capable of caring for children, young or old.
viciousvirago
Veritatum Dilexi
07:10 PM on 05/14/2012
If you can comprehend, you are not reading the last two sentences of my post. And no, it was never o.k in my book for daddy to be gone l4 hours a day.

As to being judgemental, I'm 59, been around the block many times and have met every kind of parent there is. I base my opinions on facts, not heresay.

I will not thank you for the slur as to my being judgemental beyond belief. Believe me, I'm way more judgemental than that.
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goatini
We are two-legged wombs, that’s all
08:26 PM on 05/14/2012
I'd like to see the word PARENT used more often.

As in, if you want to be a PARENT, both PARENTS can't be in a job that requires long hours.

And as in, if you and your partner want to be PARENTS, BOTH of you must be 100% invested in parenting. Whether that means flex hours, working shifts so that one PARENT is at home with small children, networking with other PARENTS to come up with flexible child care arrangements, etc.

It's getting better nowadays, but even 15-20 years ago when most of my friends started their families, when the male parent was tasked with tending the children, it was called "babysitting", as in, "My husband's babysitting the kids this weekend so I can attend a seminar". It's NOT "babysitting" and he DOESN'T get the "Dad Of The Year" award for... doing the SAME thing the female partner is doing in being a PARENT. I am glad to see more men stepping up to the plate to be involved parents.
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09:17 PM on 05/14/2012
I always wondered what female pilots do. Must be hard pickin's for them. Good luck with that career. But hey...found 2 men who could actually play that role. Good for the women.
viciousvirago
Veritatum Dilexi
09:59 PM on 05/14/2012
Female pilots do the same thing males do. The one I was speaking of works for Delta and has been a captain for l0 years now. The doctor works with super secret stuff at Ft. Detrick. She's tough as bricks and I don't particularly like her. But her husband does and that's all that counts.
08:49 AM on 05/14/2012
My fellow ladies: stop letting men define you! Have children or don't have children; it's UP TO YOU. The women's movement was not about controlling men (as my dad thinks) it was about being free to choose...you know, like a human being. And for goodness sake, realize once and for all that Republicans (especially the tea party) do not have our best interest at heart (on ANY women's issues).
09:31 AM on 05/14/2012
Why do you assume a man wanting a child is about controlling the women he is with? Can men even want children anymore without being accused of oppression? This is ridiculous. Since when can't men and women cooperate toward the common cause of our survival as individuals and a species. Having children is not a requirement but it's more important than most other things we do in life because without it we don't have life.
09:57 AM on 05/14/2012
Don't be so angry, ed. This is just biological reality. Because nature gave all the power to grow babies to women, it is indeed women who get to choose. We take on all the risk. We make a sacrifice of our bodies. Childbearing belongs exclusively to women.

In the past, because men realized this was the one power they could never have, they organized society around controlling women and making sure they had no freedom about when or if or how to become mothers. Now the playing field has been leveled. If a man wants a woman to bear his children, he will have to prove he is worthy of the sacrifices and efforts she will have to put into it. If a man is unworthy, he can howl at the moon all he wants. It will make exactly zero difference.
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11:15 AM on 05/14/2012
you're right - the human race is already starting to disappear. what with over population, overly crowded schools and depleting resources. for many women, having a baby means you're regulated to "mother." and nothing else. the burden of children always falls on the woman. it is they whose bodies are sacrificed for about a year to baby-making. it is they who have to take the 3-4 months off from work (often sacrificing raises and promotions). more often than not - a family with two working parents, the household and child rearing duties still fall to the woman. giving birth is not a value. making a baby is not good in and of itself.
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giftsthatpurr
zestful life
09:31 PM on 05/15/2012
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isisreptiles
Pro-choice, pro marriage equality
01:36 AM on 05/14/2012
This story sounds like my first marriage. I told my then-husband upfront, when we started dating, that I didn't want children. He was agreeable to that, or so he said. We no sooner married and he started pressuring me to have a child. We ended up divorcing, and after everything was said and done I asked him why he had married me knowing I didn't want children and he did. His answer? "I thought you would change your mind." The moral of the story--this issue needs to be HONESTLY discussed before the relationship becomes serious, and if the other person isn't on the same page, accept that they aren't going to change their mind and move on.
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MissTake1989
Equal means equal, hypocrites.
06:05 AM on 05/14/2012
Actually, if you were the one who changed their mind and ended up pregnant, no matter what he wanted or agreed to beforehand, he wouldn't be "moving on".

Would he?
04:40 PM on 05/14/2012
How could she just "end up pregnant?" lol
04:29 PM on 05/17/2012
"Unless they are men's family planning decisions and then, of course, you ABSOLUTELY 100% believe it's politicians job to pass laws and appoint judges to collect child support and enforce alimony, you mean, right? "

Huh? For one) alimony is not common anymore, two) judges do not collect child support, three) avg child support payment is $280/mo, four) more women are paying child support and alimony these days (see below). Once again, you simply dont know what you are talking about.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/17/tagblogsfindlawcom2012-lawandlife-idUS161896085520120517
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Catriona
Wha daur meddle wi me?
10:09 PM on 05/13/2012
Why would ANYBODY take seriously anything they read in the Daily Mail?

To non-Brits reading this, the DM is one of the worst rags in Britain, and very anti-woman. The following is a brilliant take off of the DM rubbish:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI
04:41 PM on 05/14/2012
I think people that post on this site are aware that Daily Mail is like New York Post. lol
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Catriona
Wha daur meddle wi me?
09:13 PM on 05/14/2012
Worse, though it's been years since I've see the NY Post.
06:33 PM on 05/14/2012
Why is it that whenever an article isn't pro-woman, it is assumed to be anti-woman?
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Catriona
Wha daur meddle wi me?
09:11 PM on 05/14/2012
The DM is generally anti-woman playing to the obsessive doting-mummy crowd, except when they're tearing the obsessive-mummy apart for NOT doing what the DM advised her to avoid the previous year. I have yet to see them write anything positive about women, with the exception of a few celebrities.

The DM is a joke.
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MissTake1989
Equal means equal, hypocrites.
10:07 PM on 05/13/2012
Everyone who is saying that they should have discussed it before getting married is making a disingenuous argument.

Unless you are willing to say she should be forced to carry his child if she said she would beforehand...
04:42 PM on 05/14/2012
Since women bear the responsibility of childbearing and all that goes with it, I guess she is fully in control of whether she has children or not. Blame nature or god if youre a believer.
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MissTake1989
Equal means equal, hypocrites.
05:01 PM on 05/14/2012
And thanks to our feminist laws, she is totally in control of his life, as well.
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goatini
We are two-legged wombs, that’s all
08:53 PM on 05/14/2012
How can it be "a disingenuous argument" to think that this is a topic that should be discussed before marriage?

If you think that a woman is so untrustworthy as to not be honest about this very important, make-or-break topic, then you shouldn't even be intimate with her in any way, much less be contemplating marriage. It's that simple.
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MissTake1989
Equal means equal, hypocrites.
06:15 AM on 05/15/2012
Because no matter what she says before hand it changes nothing afterwards...

If she says she doesn't want kids BEFORE...will you make her abort after? No.

If she says she does want kids BEFORE...will you force her to carry a child? No.

So, yes, it's 100% disingenous to sit there and say, "well, they should have talked about it beforehand" when that would not change one thing.

And YOU are the one who has explained over and over, that no matter what she says or does, he is still responsible for the outcome of his actions, even is she lies to him...therefore is YOU...and your feminist hypocrisy....who have said that men SHOULD not trust their wives.
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Delores Williams
Writer and Publisher
07:34 PM on 05/13/2012
At 42 most women don't want to get pregnant, but that's not the issue. Perhaps the couples should have discussed kids BEFORE getting married.
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catmagnet
Independent thinker
05:26 PM on 05/14/2012
Heck, I bring up my childfree status on the first date! If he's on board, great. If not, he's history.
05:33 PM on 05/15/2012
ABSOLUTELY.
05:53 PM on 05/13/2012
It amazes me how many of my former classmates and coworkers chose not to have children. Some would have made good mothers. You have to give alot of freedom and resure having kids choice not for everyone.