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The Scalia-Posner War and Why it Matters

Posted: 09/17/2012 12:48 pm

Over the last couple of weeks, Justice Antonin Scalia and Judge Richard Posner have been engaged in an unusual public feud over the role that legal rules play in judicial decision making. In The New Republic, Judge Posner wrote an exceptionally harsh review of Scalia's new book Reading Law: The Interpretation of Legal Texts, written with Bryan Garner. Scalia's book presents over 50 canons or legal rules that he and Garner suggest can and do help judges decide hard legal issues. In a lengthy response, Posner demonstrates that Scalia's rules cannot decide cases, that the sources and cases the authors cite don't stand for the propositions for which they are asserted, and that, of course, at the end of the day, what decides cases are the judges' personal and political values, preferences, and balancing of the equities of the parties' positions, not pre-existing legal rules.

Do legal rules and canons of interpretation decide cases? Of course not, Posner argues forcefully and persuasively. After his review was published, Scalia followers, fellow conservatives, and Garner, the co-author, took great offense in various forms of social media. In The National Review Online, former Scalia clerk Ed Whelan wrote a five part rebuttal to Posner's review discussing in specific detail the battles over the details of the many cases in dispute, and calling Posner's article a "wildly incompetent review." Meanwhile, Garner the co-author, went online defending his and Scalia's use of the cases, suggesting Posner completely missed the point of the book, and publicly taking Posner to task for what Garner apparently believes was the betrayal of a friendship. Garner then wrote a letter to The New Republic and Posner has responded.

For non-lawyers, or even well-intentioned and studious lawyers and law professors, the debates over what the cases actually said, whether the Scalia/Garner version or the Posner version is more persuasive, and the role that legal rules played or can play in these cases will remain a mystery. But who is right and who is wrong about the role of canons of interpretation in the lower courts is not the important issue raised by this public boxing match between two of our most important judges. There is a lot more going on here, and much more at stake, than an "inside baseball" squabble over legal rules. In light of Scalia's importance as a political actor who makes a big difference to how this country is governed, the question is whether he is an appropriate messenger for the proposition that judging involves mostly rule following and not the exercise of personal discretion. The answer is no.

Scalia purports to be a "textualist-originalist" and he claims to apply that philosophy to his work on the Court. Constitutional interpretation should be about text and history, not personal values. The problem is that almost no one believes this anymore and Scalia's public defense of the indefensible probably accounts for the tone of Posner's review.

The sources of constitutional law are vague (due process, liberty, equal protection, etc.,), the history of provisions almost always contested (does the Second Amendment apply to just militias or to people), and the Court is not bound by its own cases and frequently the law of the Constitution changes as the Justices and their politics change. The reason why Justices Scalia and Ginsburg (they are friends) disagree on almost every contested issue of constitutional law is not because one applies better canons of construction than the other or one is a better legal interpreter than the other, but because they embrace different personal values and life experiences. Posner knows this, described how the Justices decide cases in his book How Judges Think, and being an appellate judge himself wants to set the record straight when it comes to the relationship between judicial discretion and the resolution of hard legal issues. Posner knows that Scalia's public misstatements on this issue carry a great cost.

The drafters of the Fourteenth Amendment did not believe racial preferences for blacks violated the Equal Protection Clause yet Scalia, despite his alleged devotion to originalism, has never voted to uphold an affirmative action program. The drafters of the First Amendment believed that corporations had no legal status separate from the rights given them by the state, yet Scalia claims corporations have the same First Amendment rights as natural persons. And, just to be politically neutral about all this, the founding fathers would not have recognized flag burning as "speech" protected by the First Amendment, yet Scalia voted to reverse the conviction of a flag burner on First Amendment grounds. Scalia relies no more (or less) on text or history than any other Supreme Court Justice; he just indignantly claims that he does.

The battle between Posner and Scalia is about how judges, especially Supreme Court Justices, decide cases, and that issue is crucially important to our constitutional democracy. Because Posner believes judging, especially at the Supreme Court level, is about values and discretion, he urges the Court to defer to the elected branches absent a clear conflict between a law and constitutional text. Scalia does not apply such deference, though he often claims he does. In a few months, the Court will likely decide whether the University of Texas may use racial preferences to redress generations of discrimination, and whether Congress may continue to insure that states with a history of voter suppression don't make it harder for minorities to vote. The relevant text and history of these two disputes will be contested and Posner would likely defer to politically accountable officials on both questions. Scalia will almost certainly vote to strike down these efforts to confront our racist past and then claim that neutral canons of constitutional interpretation require him to do so. On this battleground, whether judges decide by rules or by discretion, the history of the Supreme Court demonstrates clearly that Posner is carrying a nuclear weapon and Scalia a bow and arrow.

 

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moonlightesq
10:31 AM on 09/21/2012
I agree with Scalia, generally, that judges should interpret laws as it is written or as close to its original meaning as possible. It is not the duty of any judge to determine and decide social norms and changes in perception of what is or is not acceptable, for that should be left up to the legislators to either change our laws or amend our Constitution if necessary. It is not the function of our judiciary to change existing laws based their political beliefs or values, which tend to lead to chaos and unpredictability.
01:56 AM on 09/21/2012
I've practiced constitutional litigation for over twenty years, and this essay is an half-baked and poorly reasoned character attack on Scalia. Agree or disagree with him (I think his approach is too narrow), but at least have the decency to know what you are talking about.
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moonlightesq
05:00 PM on 09/20/2012
" [J]udges decide by rules or by discretion, the history of the Supreme Court demonstrates clearly that Posner is carrying a nuclear weapon and Scalia a bow and arrow."

I think Eric Segall has got that backwards, between Scalia and Posner, Scalia is the only one currently setting on the Supreme Court.
02:27 PM on 09/19/2012
Scalia also doesn't seem to care that the only meaning of the phrase "to bear arms" at the time the 2nd Amendment was written was " to serve as a soldier". Also remember that the British refusal to allow the colonists to "keep" arms led to the march on Lexington and Concord. The originalists arrogance is monumental.
06:34 PM on 09/18/2012
I think that Eric Segall lost all credibility with this statement: "The drafters of the Fourteenth Amendment did not believe racial preferences for blacks violated the Equal Protection Clause yet Scalia, despite his alleged devotion to originalism, has never voted to uphold an affirmative action program." A textualist, like Scalia, couldn't care less what the drafters of the Fourteenth Amendment believed, that is called purposivism, not textualism. Segall doesn't understand the theories himself. Scalia cares about what the actual text says.
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09:26 AM on 09/18/2012
"whether the Scalia/Garner version or the Posner version is more persuasive, and the role that legal rules played or can play in these cases will remain a mystery."
No it won't. Posner said Scalia was wrong to overturn the handgun ban in Heller. Lets start there, author.
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franchise2m
I'm platinum mad!
08:48 PM on 09/17/2012
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. IX amendment

Scalia lost me when he stated in an interview that the IX amendment was basically meaningless. He has stated in opinions that unenumerated rights are not necessarily protected from government intrusion. He fails to explain why the amendment would be included if that were the case.

His theory of jurisprudence falls apart in relation to this amendment so he just denies the signifigance of the amendment.
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conservativebutnormal
It's the economy stupid...
04:44 PM on 11/16/2012
here's a link. http://www.nationalreview.com/media/uncommonknowledge/333444

Go to 4:23 through 5:46 and hear what he says about the ninth amendment in his own words.
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franchise2m
I'm platinum mad!
07:47 PM on 09/17/2012
I would like to believe that the framer's of the constitution were wise enough to understand that they couldn't predict the future. I have always thought that the constitutuon was designed to adapt to changes.

There were political realities that made for ridiculous compromises like counting slaves as 3/5 of a person for representation purposes. The constitution wasn't perfect but fortunately it wasn't etched in stone either.

Could the framer's have envisioned the advances in medicine or technology? If you argue original intent and the history of provisions you could conceivable make the argument that the 2nd amendment gives an individual the right to possess a nuclear weapon.

Our lives are very different now...public sense of justice,liberty, and fairness are different as well. Jurists need to take that into consideration in order to "insure domestic tranquility" and "promote the general welfare" of the people.
08:31 PM on 09/18/2012
They were wise enough to know they couldn't predict the future. This is why they wrote in an amendment process. This is why most policy decisions are left to the legislature, and not written into the Constitution. Just because a judge looks to the law and interprets it according to the meaning of the law as it was written (not the purpose or intent of the framers of the law, which is a different philosophy), that does not mean that the law cannot be changed. It just means that the judge won't be the one to do it.
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franchise2m
I'm platinum mad!
03:49 AM on 09/19/2012
I agree....but part of the judicial review of a case involves constitutionality. The question becomes very difficult when it involves unenumerated rights... The constitution seems to be stating that it recognizes that certain rights are inherent and cannot be granted, legislated or denied... This is a separate issue from policy which is left to the legislative and executive branch.. as to the difference between meaning and intent  are there people that claim  the framers were such  poor writers that they didn't write what they intended?
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Jay Daterman
Dump The Teapot
05:44 PM on 09/17/2012
Pursued to its logical extreme "originalism" would eventually lock society into a sort of cave completely out of touch with changing conditions and knowledge. That seems to me a sort of refuge for a person very fearful and dogmatic.....well.....Scalia!
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HKR07
11:00 PM on 09/17/2012
Antonin isn't the brightest bulb. Posner schooling this fool...
06:45 PM on 09/18/2012
Not at all. It has to do with ones view of the role of the judiciary and the legisture. It is not the Judiciary's role to change the law, that power is granted to Congress. The court is only to interpret the law. If we as a society don't like a law, we write our Congressman. You may not like how the system works, but it is anything but locking us in.
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dstouffermd
Newly-minted O.A.P.
05:03 PM on 09/17/2012
Count this as another reason that this conservative bemoans that we have a Justice Thomas and Justice Alito and not a Justice Posner.
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PrometheanSalvation
Bringing fire to cleanse the land.
03:35 PM on 09/17/2012
Originalism: the living are the slaves of the dead.
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blackraisin
Life, Liberty, Property.
06:29 PM on 09/17/2012
Except for that whole amendment process.
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03:17 PM on 09/17/2012
Justice Scalia believes that he has a direct line of communication with the Framers and that he is the only one with the intellect to understand their intentions. While the right vilify intellectual elitism, Justice Scalia embodies it. While there are honest disagreements about Constitutional construction and intent, Justice Scalia has a certain arrogance that looks down upon opposing viewpoints. The true tragedy is that he does not recognize the inconsistencies (or intellectual dishonesty) of his positions.
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03:04 PM on 09/17/2012
I don't know if anyone outside the legal profession has heard of Judge Posner, but among legitimate legal conservatives he's one of the greats, and the fact that he's angry with Justice Scalia speaks volumes about the way Scalia has been approaching his cases lately. Once upon a time Justice Scalia was a rational conservative voice on the Court, but that's not the case anymore. For whatever reason his jurisprudence has more closely followed politics than the law, and I couldn't be more proud of Judge Posner for taking him to task. Honestly, Judge Posner, thank you.
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JacksonJones
Absit iniuria verbis!
07:20 PM on 09/17/2012
You got that right, biggy.
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conservativebutnormal
It's the economy stupid...
04:51 PM on 11/16/2012
Absolutely agree that Posner is a big name in law. But his disagreement with Scalia is purely ideological. He believes that "justice" and "fairness" are terms of law that allow him and other judges to mold the rule of law to meet these subjective terms. The Restatement (second) did a lot of good things to move away from the overly strict formalist approach, but there's an awful lot of "to meet justice" and "fairness" used throughout.
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01:03 AM on 11/17/2012
They've always been strong headed but I've not seen a sitting Justice attacked so publicly before, which is why I assume it has to do with Scalia inserting politics so blatantly (I also heard Judge Posner state it as his reason in an interview). I would also argue that Posner is one of the most mechanical Judges in his interpretation of the law; he actually does what Scalia only claims to do. IMHO. 
01:15 PM on 09/17/2012
The biggest problem with "originalism" is that it is contrary to the beliefs of the Framers. Besides being made explicit by James Madison in Federalist 27, when he condemned the possibility of anyone determining the "intent" of any body, whether legislature or convention, the manner in which legal documents were interpreted at the time of the ratification of the Constitution rejected any consideration of the purported "intent" of the parties to that document, whether a contract or a statute or a constitution, and focused solely on the language used as understood at the time of interpretation, not at the time of the document was created. In other words, the Framers rejected any concept of textualism or originalism.
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blackraisin
Life, Liberty, Property.
06:34 PM on 09/17/2012
If we're going by the Federalist Papers then a lot of laws currently on the books are illegal. After all, Federalist 12 says that agriculture is not commerce, and yet we regulate agricultural production under the commerce clause.
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11:34 AM on 09/18/2012
Oh, Wickard v. Filburn, I thought I left you in law school years ago, but here you are again!
06:41 PM on 09/18/2012
Exactly how are you determining the intent of the founders when it comes to the their interpretation of legal documents? Seems that you are trying to state what they intended although you say in the first line that it is impossible to find out anyones intent. Quite the contradiction. That is why looking at the text is a much more objective method. And despite Segall's claim, no one believes in textualism is false. Even intentionalists and purpovists will begin by looking at the meaning of the text.