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Possible MS Breakthrough Neglected By American Media

Posted: 12/17/09 06:41 PM ET

Folks who suffer from Multiple Sclerosis are not really a rowdy bunch. Activism and outrage are hard to muster for the chronically fatigued. But since Thanksgiving, people with MS and their loved ones have gone all ACT-UP 2.0.

That is, the past few weeks have seen a surge in online activity within the MS community - as bloggers, vloggers and forum posters are calling one another to action in response to the lack of response to what many perceive to the scientific breakthrough they've been waiting for.

If you haven't heard about the report in December's Journal of Vascular Sciences by Italian vascular surgeon Dr. Paolo Zamboni, then you probably live in America.

I don't suffer from premature ejaculation but I do know, (thanks to the New York Times), that there's a new drug for it available in nine countries, but that it hasn't yet been approved for sale in the United States.

But when I went looking for news about Dr. Zamboni's research, I could not find it the mainstream press. I did find it all over the Canadian Press and European Press.

Let me start by saying I am not a doctor nor do I play one on TV.

On November 21, CTV W5 (Canada's top television network), aired an in-depth story about "a stunning new discovery of a revolutionary new treatment for a debilitating disease." They interviewed Dr. Paolo Zamboni, from the University of Ferrara in northern Italy. His research suggests that MS is not, as widely believed, primarily an autoimmune condition, but a vascular disease (CCSVI, short for chronic cerebrospinal venous insufficiency.) Dr. Zamboni found that, in over 90 percent of people with Multiple Sclerosis, the veins draining blood from the brain were constricted and this led to a buildup of iron in the brain that, he theorized, causes the neurological symptoms of MS.

MS would therefore be caused by a drainage problem, a plumbing clog that Zamboni posits can be rectified with a simple but experimental surgical technique similar to an angioplasty. Zamboni (and up until last week, a doctor at Stanford) have since done the procedure on over 100 patients and Zamboni reports vast improvement in patients' symptoms nearly immediately. Zamboni's wife, Elena Zamboni was one of his first success stories - her MS being his driving force.

Since then, a battle between patients and practitioners has hit the net. Fervor has collided against skepticism and medical cynicism - and media disregard has stirred up resentment and even conspiracy theories.

Patients' blood (whether it is or is not circulating adequately in the veins) has been boiling.

It began after the Canadian television aired their interview with Dr. Zamboni. The broadcast went swine viral. Avis Favaro, the reporter who broke the story, said that she has been "shocked at the tremendous response to this story. It is beyond that for any other medical story we have worked on." The segment has been linked to countless times worldwide and translated into other languages."

The web was ablaze. People with MS finally heard the word "breaththrough" and heard the long long-awaited announcement of what was a potentially paradigm shifting game changer. These were not just mice getting better.

"My legs don't work, but I'm jumping up and down," said one hopeful MS patient on YouTube.
So when the videos and links arrived in the inboxes of MS patients in the U.S. they looked to the reputable news media for more information.

But still the mainstream press wasn't reporting the story. On ThisIsMS.com, an MS info-exchange, postings about CCSVI topped 16,000, (other treatment news numbers in the tens or hundreds.) In online forums, discussions turned to "where is the coverage on this?" "No one will listen" is the title of one long thread. A Facebook group called "MS Uprising" was born, a YouTube channel was born.

The MS society of Canada crafted a statement of cautious optimism. They adapted a "wait and see stance, urging patients to "temper their euphoria."

Web activists were not satisfied and began to draft petitions and suggest diverting donations to directly support hospitals like University of Buffalo where Zamboni's approach is being further studied.

Of the MS society's statement, Dr. Lorne Brandes, an oncologist who blogs for CTV News' Health Blog, wrote, "If their official response to Dr. Zamboni's research was any cooler, icicles would form on their spokespersons' lips. Why am I not surprised? These organizations are big money operations, run by risk-adverse professionals and fundraisers who are absolutely petrified of making a mistake and prematurely backing a losing horse. Their interests are also heavily intertwined with those of Big Pharma."

This sentiment is echoed again and again. Online articles scream out with Woodward and Bernstein-wannabee headlines like "Simple Surgical Cure for Multiple Sclerosis Opposed by Big Pharma" and "Multiple Sclerosis cure found, MS societies in panic" - (but the article's content is just a reprint of The Globe and Mail's less provocatively titled "Researcher's labour of love leads to MS breakthrough."

But when bloggers and vloggers and posters invoke "Big Pharma," they start sounding like they think they're Ralph Fiennes in "The Constant Gardener" - blowing the whistle on the industry's evils.

Still, when newly radicalized sick people notice that the media isn't reporting on this big story and notice that neurologists and advocacy organizations are minimizing or denigrating the importance of Zamboni's findings, their conspiracy theories start to sound sort of plausible.

That is, just because they're paranoid doesn't mean that Big Pharma isn't out to get them. The pharmaceutical industry stands to lose a lot if Zamboni's one-time treatment pans out. The most common drug therapies for MS cost about $30,000 a year. And there are well over 100 medications for various MS symptoms.

On one MS forum is a link to another pharma-gate headline: "Big Pharma's Crime Spree", in which the reporter for Bloomberg Markets Magazine assesses that "finding cures is not even remotely a consideration by pharmaceutical executives."

While this idea is not a new one, when you pair it with the recent directives from the MS Society (well-funded by the drug industry) patient distrust doesn't seem unwarranted.

The Canadian MS Society urged patients "not to abandon the treatment they are on." The US went further, discouraging patients from getting tested at all. Prescribing ignorance is bad advice. At best it's condescending.

Much of the medical establishment's approach seems to be likewise paternalistic. Some patients have concluded that naysaying neurologists are territorial - MS is their disease. And if Zamboni is right, MS researchers have been barking up the wrong tree for decades.

Bloggers gripe that the US scientific establishment is mired in red tape and is overly-concerned about malpractice. So some have already undergone experimental surgery. With degenerative disease breathing down their necks, some patients are ready to pursue even a glimpse of a cure, damning the torpedoes. Which alarms many of their doctors. Who rain on their parade. Which causes more suspicion and activism.

Dr. Elizabeth Crabtree, a neurologist at UCSF's MS Center, has plans to begin an ongoing podcast to better inform MS patients of new developments. So they don't have to learn it on the streets, as it were. "No wonder there's so much distrust," she said. "The treatment options are inadequate." She expressed frustration that medical facilities compete instead of collaborate. Patients, doctors and support groups should be working in alliance, she said.

Whether egos and money do get in the way of out-of-the-box thinking, one cautionary tale does loom. A patient at Stanford died following CCSVI surgery recently and another patient underwent open heart surgery after a stent migrated to his heart. The Stanford program was swiftly halted.

Dr. Michael Dake's "under the radar" stent implants (Zamboni uses a "balloon" procedure ) were conducted before a clinical trial. But instead of being deemed unethical, Dr. Dake was called a hero and a "pioneer" in online groups.

"This I would do," said Dayle Baich of the Zamboni procedure. Baich, who now uses a walker because of her MS, told The Ottawa Citizen, "it's a very simple surgery, compared to two years of chemotherapy. In three years, I have gone from being normal to now. So where am I going to be in two or three more years? I don't have the time. Neither do most of the people here."

As a direct result of patient activism, the MS Society has announced plans to fund CCSVI research and clinical trials will commence at several medical centers in 2010. CBS and other esteemed news outlets have caught wind of the whirlwind. Their coverage is due out soon.

Such is the story of keyboard activism - among the "handicapable" (a term the TV show "Glee" recently coined.)

In case Ralph Fiennes is looking for his next project.

 
Folks who suffer from Multiple Sclerosis are not really a rowdy bunch. Activism and outrage are hard to muster for the chronically fatigued. But since Thanksgiving, people with MS and their loved one...
Folks who suffer from Multiple Sclerosis are not really a rowdy bunch. Activism and outrage are hard to muster for the chronically fatigued. But since Thanksgiving, people with MS and their loved one...
 
 
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08:17 PM on 01/03/2010
How about prevention? What I hear is that since MS is an autoimmune disease, dairy (cow's milk consumption) is often the cause. The patient's body attacks its own cells, much as it does in diabetes (another autoimmune disease.) The following link mentions some foods to avoid, in order to minimize symptoms; one of the foods mentioned is dairy:

http://www.squidoo.com/autoimmune_and_food

Most people who trust the AMA to take care of them aren't interested in taking responsibility for their own well-being; that's sad, if you ask me.
09:56 AM on 12/23/2009
There is a relationship between the groups that raise money Such as the ACS or the MS society and the pharma industry that favors management of disease rather than prevention or cure. Thier is an interesting study in PLOS genetics which may explain the link between vitamin d levels and MS. A gene common to MS suffers has been located and vitamin d appears to turns it off..
http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1000369

Similarly a very interesting study done by Lappe found that 1000 IU of vitamin d plus 1100 of calcium may reduce cancer rate . "Vitamin D and calcium supplementation reduces cancer risk: results of a randomized trial." heres the link http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17556697

Interestingly in Canada health officials have changed the recommendation on vitamin in part because of the Lappe study The new recommendation ........ “We’re recommending 1,000 IUs daily because the current evidence suggests this amount will help reduce cancer risk with the least potential for harm,” says Logan. “More research is needed to clearly define the amount of Vitamin D that will maximize health benefits.” .......... here http://www.cancer.ca/Canada-wide/About%20us/Media%20centre/CW-Media%20releases/CW-2007/Canadian%20Cancer%20Society%20Announces%20Vitamin%20D%20Recommendation.aspxs

The ACS has taken a different approach.
05:56 PM on 12/21/2009
I have had MS for over a decade. I am just now considered fully disabled. The amount I will be paying for my COBRA is obscene, and I do believe that there is big business when involved in insurance and Pharma communities. We are now lucky to have the internet in order to combat some of the stealing and manipulation. And as far as this being sound science or voodoo...there have always been "breakthroughs" considered voodoo before the science follows. I am a skeptic; but also, a believer that new treatments can be found. I am not so desperate that I need to try every new thing that comes out. I can't worry about dying or becoming more disabled...by the time I'm super screwed up - I won't really know. But, I will say, that for Americans, as I am one, we have never put our priorities in the correct order. I would cite the MS Society http://www.nationalmssociety.org/about-multiple-sclerosis/treatments/medications/index.aspx listing SIX medications for erectile dysfunction, and NONE for the horrible periods and MS symptoms I have. Are you really having THAT much sex with MS?!!? So, Science or Voodoo?!?!! Time will tell.
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05:29 PM on 12/21/2009
As a pathologist, the assertion that the cause of MS is iron toxicity due to vein blockage is completely at odds with what is known about MS, about veins, and about iron. I would need a lot more evidence than an Italian surgeon on YouTube to induce me to give any credence to his claim.
Josephius
No, not microbio, molecular bio and biochemistry!
05:37 PM on 12/21/2009
I agree, and made the same statement last week (but it was suspiciously moderated out. Hmmmm, very strange.)
06:50 PM on 12/21/2009
As a pathologist, tell me what comes first, blood brain barrier leakage or myelin breakdown?
01:14 AM on 12/20/2009
For years now, there's been another MS breakthrough neglected by the US media - and practically all media. LDN ("Low Dose Naltrexone") is a drug based on the off-label usage of the FDA-approved drug, Naltrexone. The basic adult dose of 4.5 mg of LDN helps balance the immune system and has been proven in many small studies to stop the progression of MS. These studies have taken place all over the world. LDN has no negative side effects. But...the reason it doesn't get any backing from big drug companies is that it is cheap to begin with. If a company did back it, it could sponsor an FDA-approval study for specifically LDN (it's approved already as just the N). But until that day, there will be no huge study, and plain-vanilla doctors with no out-of-the-box creative or curious thinking, on behalf of and to aid their patients, will say "it's not mentioned in JAMA" and won't want to use the drug. But, aha, some of the smaller studies are finally hitting some of the organ- or disease-specific journals and finally getting some press. Finally doctors are beginning to notice. If you have MS and want to feel better, ask your doctor to look into LDN. Really. Visit www.LDNinfo.org -WithLove
09:47 AM on 12/21/2009
I tried LDN once and felt horrible for 3 days. I may have started with too high a dose (3 or 4 mg - I can't remember). However, I have no desire to try it again, even at a lower dose.
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03:55 PM on 12/19/2009
MS is an immunologically mediated disease(s). This is a complex syndrome, related to genetic abnormalities, particularly of the immune system. Certainly, there are also environmental factors that contribute as well. For instance, we know that MS is more common in N. latitudes. This most recent study is not a big deal. It is an over-simplistic solution. MS CANNOT be due to venous stenoses alone, that flies in the face of years of basic research that compellingly demonstrates that it is an immunological disease. We all want a simple, correctable explanations for complex diseases. Throw in conspiracy theorists and it's easy to see how stuff like this study can spread like wildfire. Sorry, this procedure is going to go the same way as that surgery to enlarge the formamen magnum did for folks with fibromyalgia. As my dad used to say, "if anything sounds too good to be true, it is".
08:55 PM on 12/19/2009
If MS is an autoimmune disease, why has an antigenic target never been found? And why does the immune system do the exact same thing in stroke victims? Patients who have strokes also have oligoclonal banding in their CSF. Is a stroke an autoimmune disease? The immune theory in MS is only a theory. The immune system is activated to clean up cellular death in the brain. And iron deposition and hypoxic injury from slowed perfusion will damage the brain tissue and call in the immune system. Ockham's razor.... I saw my husband's occluded jugular veins, and saw the difference after he was treated.
Josephius
No, not microbio, molecular bio and biochemistry!
04:53 PM on 12/21/2009
Is it possible that he didn't have MS after all? MS is a disease where the oligodendrocytes are selectively killed off and myelin is destroyed by the immune system, in the brain and spinal cord. Having occluded jugular veins would have no effect on the cells in the spinal column and would look nothing like a stroke.
09:38 AM on 12/21/2009
It was noted in the early 1950's that ACTH, which stimulates the adrenal glands to produce cortisol, a glucocorticosteroid with immunosuppressive and antiinflammatory properties, would make MS relapses go away faster. (However, the relapses will clear just as well without steroids, it just takes longer; steroids do nothing to reduce the rate of relapses, and I was told that they actually make relapses more frequent.) It was assumed that MS was autoimmune since ACTH seemed to be effective, but it was never considered that it "worked" because of its antiinflammatory properties. CNS inflammation occurs with MS as well as with brain tumors; it occurs when the capillaries in the CNS (the blood-brain barrier) leak plasma proteins into the CNS. The treatment of choice for CNS inflammation due to tumors is dexamethasone, a potent corticosteroid. I believe that the reason steroids are somewhat effective, although only temporarily, is because of their antiinflammatory effects.
03:20 PM on 12/19/2009
This is fantastic. A simple operative procedure that can lessen MS symptoms without powerful drugs.
09:42 AM on 12/21/2009
No, this is horrible. The drug companies will not make as much money. This is un-American. Who cares about the patients, anyway? Not the MS society, for sure.
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12:53 PM on 12/19/2009
You didn't find it in our newspapers because probably 80 % of the people who live in this country are nit-wits who don't read about such stuff. Our press would be more interested in the activities of Tiger Woods or Lady Ga Ga.
03:58 PM on 12/20/2009
Are Americans really that interested in crap fluff news or is it that's all they're being fed by Big Media. News programs are like any other program on TV. They need sponsors to stay on the air. If Big Pharma does not like the idea of losing billions of dollars in medications because there's a cheap one-time surgery to cure MS, I'm pretty sure Big Pharma, as corporate sponsor, would demand the news story be killed. All they'd have to do to have that happen would be to pull their advertising from the show. Every time you see Levitra advertised during the news, you know who's providing the programing content. Big Pharma is in the business to make a profit. They are for-profit corporations, not charities.

Same for Big Media. Media corporations are selling a product, they're not in the business of reporting the truth, they're in the business of selling advertising space. What you see on the news or "opinion program" or TV show is created to sell advertising. If it doesn't sell ad space, or a producer doesn't think it will sell ad space, it doesn't go on the air.
09:44 AM on 12/21/2009
In related news, German newspapers did not have any mention of the holocaust during World War II.
12:51 PM on 12/21/2009
The Buffalo News had this as a front-page story on Sunday (12/20). Not all newspapers are dead.
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07:35 AM on 12/19/2009
I think the title says it all, IMHO. As usual, they dropped the ball.
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Pierce Nichols
07:50 PM on 12/21/2009
There is a very long history of alleged causes and treatments for MS that did not pan out. Polite skepticism is the appropriate response to any new claimants.
07:59 PM on 12/22/2009
Did they not pan out because they were adequately tested and found wanting, or was it because they were never adequately tested. In Therapeutic Claims in Multiple Sclerosis it is stated that the only adequate test is a randomised, double-blind, placebo controlled trial. Neither the patient nor the doctor caring for the patient can know what the patient is taking. Such trials are expensive and are usually only performed by drug companies seeking approval of a new drug from the FDA. Many proposed therapies for MS, such as surgery, beestings, and the very low fat diet, cannot be tested without the patient knowing which treatment he is receiving.

I have been on a very low fat diet for over 14 years, and I have had no further relapses or progression. Other patients such as Montel Williams and Ann Romney have had similar results. Yet the MS society says that this diet is not recommended because it has not been adequately tested. It is obvious to me that the MS society is in cahoots with the drug makers to steer patients to drugs and away from other therapies.
08:06 PM on 12/22/2009
This low fat diet was studied by Dr. Roy Swank starting in 1950, after it was noted that the countries overrun by the Nazis in WWII had decreased rates of MS relapses, and it was theroized that this was because the Nazis requisitioned the fatty foods for themselves. He followed his patients for 34 years and found a 90% reduction in relapses and decreased death and disability. The only time I have heard Dr. Swank mentioned in the American media was on Montel's show last summer. The show was cancelled shortly after that.

http://www.swankmsdiet.org/ is the address for the Swank MS diet, which is low in saturated fat (less than 15 grams a day) and free of trans fat. This diet has been in use for almost 60 years, and it reduces the rate of relapses by over 90%. I strongly recommend reading the message board.

http://www.drmcdougall.com/ promotes a very low fat vegan diet. If you search this site you can find several testimonials from people whose MS has improved with diet. There is also an interview with Dr. Swank.

http://www.hacres.com/ promotes a mostly raw, low fat vegan lifestyle. This diet is also effective for MS, most likely because it does not have any animal fat, and vegetables are mostly very low in fat.... See More

http://www.takingcontrolofmultiplesclerosis.org/ is produced by Dr. George Jelinek, an Australian ER doc who has MS. He uses a modification of Swank's diet.
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01:32 AM on 12/19/2009
Certain vaccines in the 50s & 60s are considered to be responsible for the rash of MS that now afflicts people. Citizens are not aware that the vaccine industry has a legal fence around itself banning the possibility of ever being sued for a bad vaccine reaction which is actually more common than most people are aware of. They CANNOT be sued. Ever. Although that is beyond the scope of the article Americans are in total ignorance how the current medical establishment runs its business. Drug companies prey on the fact that people will be sick, they can find drugs to treat things-not cure them, and then patent the genes they find in cancer studies so that they can keep people sick to make money. Cancer, MS, diabetes are billion dollar cash cows with the highest cost of medicines. He who cureth can maketh ill.
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12:24 AM on 12/19/2009
Even if this turns out to be a bust, there is no excuse for US news to ignore it totally. I hear of cancer and AIDS breakthroughs all the time. Often, they turn out to be less effective than had been hoped. But, they are still reported on.

This is news.
09:51 AM on 12/21/2009
The cancer and AIDS breakthroughs involve the use (and sales) of drugs. What is ultimately important is that the drug companies make money. Using non-drug treatments for MS takes money away from the drug companies and is completely unacceptable.
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12:17 AM on 12/19/2009
"Dr. Elizabeth Crabtree, a neurologist at UCSF's MS Center, . . .expressed frustration that medical facilities compete instead of collaborate. Patients, doctors and support groups should be working in alliance, she said."

I have found this to be true even among local doctors and hospitals. They are reluctant to release any scans or information and take their sweet time doing so after you have jumped through all their hoops. They will not talk to each other or send info to the specialists. When I requested some test result from one of my doctors last year, the office said they I would have to come in and fill out a formal request, then they would "get around to it" when they collected several requests because all their information older than 6 months is stored in a warehouse at another location.

I finally learned to request that a copy of each test at each follow up doctor's visit (which I keep and allow other doctors to make copies of) and I request actual scans and x-rays from the hospitals, lying and saying I am hand-carrying them to another doctor, then I keep them at home till I do need them for a doctor. Otherwise, they throw them away after a few years and doctors have nothing to compare the new scans to.
08:58 PM on 12/18/2009
I bet Dr. Z is on to something. For years and years and years I've avoided antibiotics for childhood illnesses, often left a doctor's office with a scrip that I recycled just to avoid the argument. Ear infections, sore throat, vague rash? Looks like you need some pills/drops/ointment. My kids didn't get eartubes like a lot of their friends with similar chronic illnesses. They haven't needed to get their tonsils out. They get sick less and less as they get older, don't have asthma, no allergies...
But will you ever see headlines announcing that kids shouldn't have antibiotics for most normal childhood illnesses? Maybe once, but then there will be a huge pushback campaign from pharma about how dangerous it is not to treat things. That sniffle might really be meningitis! Pharma has tens of thousands of people out there EVERY DAY driving from doctor's office to hospital, throwing luncheons and pushing pills. Common sense has few advocates, they aren't giving out trips to Florida, or issuing talking points press releases to NBC.
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02:20 AM on 12/19/2009
Would you rather have your kids get somewhat sick a little more often, or have them get something awful and life-threatening? If I undertreated a child and something happened, I'd never forgive myself.

My best friend got a sore throat, seemingly like any other, when we were in middle school. Her parents were let-it-heal-itself-unless-it-seems-serious people. Her infection was strep throat. It progressed to rheumatic fever, and she almost died. Needless to say, they were more cautious with her younger siblings. My mother, on the other hand had a doctor and a nurse for parents (and for grandparents), and was therefore a bit more concerned with the appearance of sore throats. I was one of those kids who seemingly gets strep once a month. I always took the full dose of antibiotics. I shudder to think what might have happened if my mother had been less vigilant. Even if you're right, and taking those drugs made me get sick more often, they likely prevented the disease from worsening; I'll make that trade any day. Promise. This is completely different than the MS issue.
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05:19 PM on 12/19/2009
It is off topic from the MS issues, but I have to comment. I think the doctoring has changed in the last twenty years. I'm 33 and have only done 3 courses of antibiotics in my life. That's not to say that I never went to the doctor; my docs just didn't prescribe antibiotics for every sniffle. That's the problem - getting antibiotics for every sniffle the second the sniffle starts. Your friend probably didn't develop rheumatic fever in a day or even two days. But, there are more symptoms to strep than a sore throat. Your friend's story tells me that her parents were ignorant of the symptoms at best or neglectful at worst.
09:28 AM on 12/20/2009
There is a happy middle ground. Do a throat swab and see it strep grows. If it don't, you 're likely on terra firma.

The problem with over-treating: now a lot of the antibiotics that we used to use can't be because we selected out for resistant organisms.

It's not a question of treating or not treating, but instead a question of appropriate treatment.
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Pierce Nichols
07:52 PM on 12/21/2009
Failing to appropriately treat strep throat could disable your child for life. In a significant percentage of cases, strep throat will progress to scarlet fever, which can cause permanent damage to a dizzying array of organs, including the brain. One of my great aunts spent her life in a nursing home due to brain damage caused by a case of scarlet fever. It happened before effective antibiotics to treat strep.
07:30 PM on 12/18/2009
No non profit breakthroughs are ever covered here in the U.S. There are a group of doctors that manage to cure nearly half of the MS cases they see right here in the U.S. by focusing on other causes of MS such as heavy metal poisoning and nerve infections like borrelia and leptospiriosis. Allopathic doctors will simply treat the symptoms of MS with expensive brand name drugs because that's where the money is. Getting at the problem and curing the actual cause results in a doctor not seeing a patient anymore and drug companies losing a customer. In the case of heavy metal poisoning and infectious agents the drugs used are either generic or natural non-patentable drugs. And the research into what actually causes the other half of MS cases is never funded, instead the money goes to pharma to find more drugs to treat the symptoms at a ginormous cost.... God bless America...
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Pierce Nichols
07:55 PM on 12/21/2009
It's not a breakthrough until there's been a hell of a lot more study done.
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07:02 PM on 12/18/2009
One of the reasons you won't hear of the breakthroughs in medicine HERE is that OVER THERE they have public health care, so a break-through might not make money for Big Pharma and The American Health care MIS-management system, but it WILL be available (over there, not HERE) for those who suffer from MS and the PEOPLE, through their (real) democratic system will cover it. Here, the people who would need it most, will probably never get it because, having a "pre-existing condition", they will not be able to afford the premiums for it or even get coverage at all from the greedy Wealth-care system.
10:39 PM on 12/18/2009
right on!! Many of us Canadians marvel over your hesitation to move to universal health care. It's really the only decent option. Health care is not perfect in Canada. But it is still better, more humane.
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12:19 AM on 12/19/2009
No kidding. And now the bill has been bastardized and twisted and any beneficial parts taken out, so that they need to scrap it and start all over again.