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Frank Schaeffer

Frank Schaeffer

Posted March 12, 2009 | 08:53 AM (EST)

Rush Limbaugh Answers Me As Other Republicans Email Calling for Civil War


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My Huffington Post Open Letter to the Republican Traitors (From a Former Republican) (March 8/09) got Rush Limbaugh's attention. Here is part of the transcript of the Rush Limbaugh Show (March 11/09) wherein Limbaugh goes after me. (MSNBC had just interviewed me -- March 10/09 -- about my Huffington Post piece.)

Here is the clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrFE-ldZJ5k

Limbaugh's reaction:

RUSH: "Here is author Frank Schaeffer on MSNBC Live yesterday afternoon."

(Clip)

SCHAEFFER: "Republicans have become -- to our war against economic collapse -- what Jane Fonda was when she was in Vietnam rooting for the other side. We're in another war now. This is an economic war, and everybody who loves this country has to stand together and back our president."

RUSH: "Jeez! ...now we're Jane Fonda, and whatever the president wants to do -- he's a king! Whatever he wants to do, we have to back him. No, we don't! We have the Constitution. We have separation of powers, and we do not have a king, Mr. Schaeffer... (laughs) Remember yesterday when I proclaimed, 'Look, if Obama is the general in this war, 'This war is lost.'"

Since writing my post about why I quit the Republican Party and since denouncing it for being obstructionist, I've gotten some "interesting" emails from various Republicans -- mostly Limbaugh's followers -- especially after I was on D.L. Hughley Breaks the News.

Here is an email to me from a Republican that is similar to many more. (Typos in the original)

Mr Schaeffer, I doubt seriously whether you will have to courage to respond to my email but I will point out a few things and then wait for a few days. Chances are just like most of the socialist, racist cowards that voted Obama into office you will hide... At least Rush, Sean and others are in the open with their opinions and positions.

My flags are flying upside down and will continue to be flown this way until this President is out of office ...

I want this man to fail because of his desire to turn our country into a communist nation. I am already tired of this man that is posing as a American but wants the wealthy to give up their money to the poor (more non workers than poor)...

This man is not is my President!! I am an American that served my country and will defend my rights no matter what. Even if the what means a revolution or civil war against those in power.

And here is another:

Congratulations. This crazy new way of yours will enable you many more years of financial gain from a new kind of 'believer' during the really tough days ahead. May the Lord have Mercy upon you!

The "answer" from the Republicans -- from GOP leader Limbaugh, to his mere minions -- who I've called to account for obstructing the President, is that, A) Our "war" to fix the economy is "lost" and the President should fail; B) When Republicans lose an election it's time to desecrate the American flag, fly it upside down, because Obama is not "my" president. C) Threaten violence "civil war." D) Assume that anyone -- such as me, a former life-long Republican -- who changes his mind and calls out the Republican Party for being obstructionist must be doing it for the money and is in trouble with God too who, it turns out is also a Republican!

(The most money I ever made in my life was as a leader in big time evangelical American cult as I describe in my book Crazy For God. When I left that world -- in the mid 1980s -- my income was cut by two thirds and never came back. As for selling books: the big bucks are in the Jesus business. Just ask Rick Warren.)

The discouraging thing about the Republican reaction to being asked to support our country and president is how they have nothing at all to say by way of offering an real alternative to President Obama's programs, other than more of the same "all war good -- all banking regulation bad" ideology that destroyed our economy (and got lots of Americans killed) to begin with.

All the Republicans have is threats, the word "no!" and personal attacks, or the "answer" that (as one man wrote to me) "You never were real Republican or a Christian."

Make no mistake. The man (I quoted above) who is ready to resort to civil war is not alone. Nor did he come out of nowhere. Members of the Religious Right and the secular right too, view the government as the enemy. I should know, my father wrote the book on this subject! It sold over one million copies. Dad called for the overthrow of the US government, because it allowed legal abortion.

When Senator Obama's preacher thundered about racism and injustice during the election Obama suffered smear-by-association. But when my late father -- Religious Right leader Francis Schaeffer -- denounced America and even called for the violent overthrow of the US government over the abortion issue, he was invited to lunch with presidents Ford, Reagan and Bush Sr.

Consider a few passages from my father's immensely influential book A Christian Manifesto. (1981) Here's Dad writing in his chapter on civil disobedience:

If there is a legitimate reason for the use of force [against the US government]... then at a certain point force is justifiable.

Then this:

There does come a time when force, even physical force, is appropriate... A true Christian in Hitler's Germany and in the occupied countries should have defied the false and counterfeit state. This brings us to a current issue that is crucial for the future of the church in the United States, the issue of abortion... It is time we consciously realize that when any office commands what is contrary to God's law it abrogates it's authority. And our loyalty to the God who gave this law then requires that we make the appropriate response in that situation...

Every Sunday thousands of far right white preachers rail against America's "sins" from tens of thousands of pulpits. They tell us that America is complicit in the "murder of the unborn," has become "Sodom" by "coddling gays," is now -- under Obama -- about to become communist, and that our public schools are sinful places full of evolutionists and sex educators hell-bent on corrupting children. They preach hate against Muslims and laud the Apocalypse and root for Armageddon.

In the 1970s and 1980s, while Dad and I crisscrossed America denouncing our nation's sins, instead of getting in trouble we became darlings of the Republican Party, just as Limbaugh is the darling now. The top Republican leadership still depends on preachers and agitators to energize their rank and file. And this rank and file are Limbaugh's willing dupes and today's Republican "base."

But before you dismiss the ranting of Limbaugh, Coulter et al remember this: people like me built an army of angry religious nuts that are still out there following today's hot right wing leaders. The right wing celebrities change, but not the message of hate.

And that hatred is for America now, because America elected a man the right hates. So America must fail!

Don't fear Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity et al; fear the army of people represented by the deranged emails above, people ready to denounce our country as evil, President Obama as a wicked man, and who are also scarily sincere when they talk about civil war. Remember the pictures of the gun nuts stocking up on assault rifles and ammunition as soon as Obama won, against that day when, they claimed, he was going to take away their guns.

When Limbaugh calls for our president to fail, when his followers write to me that they are desecrating the flag as a prelude to -- if need be civil war -- this is not a game. This is an angry and dangerous political cult in action.

My dad's books denouncing America and comparing the USA to Hitler are still best sellers in the "respectable" evangelical community and he's still hailed as a prophet by many Republican leaders. During the last election when Mike Huckabee was asked by Katie Couric to name one book he'd take with him to a desert island, besides the Bible, he named my dad's book.

Limbaugh didn't come from nowhere. People such as the late Jerry Falwell and my late father laid the groundwork for a view of America that says that unless you do everything our way; "He's not my president" and its time for "civil war."

The Republican congressional leaders can pretend that they are reasonable and patriotic Americans. Their dirty secret is that they know that their base is an unhinged, ignorant and dangerous lower class white insurgency. Who do you think Sara Palin was nominated to appease? McCain may play games and say he wants the President to succeed, but he knows full well who his party must cater to -- today's scorched earth know-nothing white mini Limbaughs.

The next step after calling for the President -- and thus America -- to fail is to work actively for that failure. The Republican leaders are doing their best in Congress to undermine our president and their followers are too. But some elements of their base may just take things a step further.

There is a violent threat just under the surface of Limbaugh's posturing. As the man quoted above emailed me, he is even willing to work for "a revolution or civil war against those in power." Those "in power" are the democratically elected representatives of the American people!

Limbaugh, Fox News, Alan Keyes and the rest are moral cowards. They are sending signals to their legion of less than balanced followers who may well do terrible things that their media (and political) gurus themselves would never dare do. Limbaugh et al play the nasty game of egging on the crazies. The right wing leaders are like bloodthirsty cowards in a crowd watching a man standing on a ledge and shouting "jump!"

Limbaugh is protecting his $400 million contract, jet and dissolute way of life. (Of course he is against fairer taxes!) And he knows that for him what is a money game -- in the name of the god of American greed -- is a deadly serious religion for some people: the sort of people flying American flags upside down, hording guns and ready to use them.


Frank Schaeffer is the author of CRAZY FOR GOD-How I Grew Up As One Of The Elect, Helped Found The Religious Right, And Lived To Take All (Or Almost All) Of It Back. Now in paperback.

My Huffington Post Open Letter to the Republican Traitors (From a Former Republican) (March 8/09) got Rush Limbaugh's attention. Here is part of the transcript of the Rush Limbaugh Show (March 11/09) ...
My Huffington Post Open Letter to the Republican Traitors (From a Former Republican) (March 8/09) got Rush Limbaugh's attention. Here is part of the transcript of the Rush Limbaugh Show (March 11/09) ...
 
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bronzy
09:18 PM on 04/10/2009
Thank you Mr. Schaeffer, thank you for expressing what many of us has long seen, its scary out there.
11:08 PM on 03/18/2009
For a dreadful moment there, I thought I had read "The right wing celebrates change, but not the message of hate." -- *celebriti­es*, not "celebrate­s". That was close, phew. I enjoy everything you I've read and heard from you, Mr. Schaeffer. This great piece once again reminds of precisely why. Please keep the great and important (!) work.
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jayburd
05:49 PM on 03/16/2009
Frank, this is the most sobering piece you've ever written...
11:45 PM on 03/18/2009
Sobering indeed, and he masterfull­y articulate­d what has been on all our minds for quite some time now. "Egging on the crazies"..­. "scorched earth know-nothi­ng white mini Limbaughs" ... So accurate that it hurts.
03:19 PM on 03/16/2009
Wow! Excellent blog! I believe you are spot on. Since Obama was elected, I have been waiting to see what the loony-toon­s in this country would do. Like you, I don't think there is any insanity they won't consider their "god-given­" right to commit. I worry for the well-being of our president and his family.
12:08 AM on 03/19/2009
There's also no contra.dic­tion and double standard they'd shy away from. Those people's stream of consciousn­ess is a neverendin­g staccato of non-sequit­urs. The definition of dan.gerous unhi.nged psych.otic­s.
02:55 PM on 03/16/2009
I am at least as frightened of the right's violence-w­illing followers as I am of Iran. And I'm frightened that the first shots in the civil war Schaeffer speaks of have already been fired. Remember the head of the Democratic Party in Arkansas, who was gunned down last fall?

Schaeffer'­s point that there are folks incensed enough to literally take up arms is well worth heeding. Remember the decade in which shooting abortion doctors was tacitly accepted by the right? I can't tell the number of times I heard at church "Well, maybe their methods are a little extreme but..."

I am hanging onto my faith by my fingernail­s at this point. Thank God for Mr. Schaeffer, who reminds me that other Christians are not all conservati­ve zealots, and maybe I don't have to leave the church just yet.
11:31 AM on 03/16/2009
Rush commands a $400 million contract, I think that sums up his motives rather succinctly­. He couldn't care less about this country or its inhabitant­s. Rush will happily piss on this country every chance he gets. 'Cus thats the way he rolls!
02:20 AM on 03/16/2009
"Don't fear Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity et al; fear the army of people represente­d by the deranged emails above, people ready to denounce our country as evil..."

Frank, as you say in your penultimat­e paragraph, these people are inciting their followers. In my book that makes them people to be feared. The followers are, as you have described them, unhinged, ignorant and dangerous, but a snake without its head soon dies. Limbaugh, while an almost Falstaffia­n figure of buffoonery­, is dangerous, make no mistake. His venom and sedition needs to be addressed. There is a point at which freedom of speech must be subordinat­e to the national interest when you are preaching sedition.
02:13 AM on 03/16/2009
A sincere Thank You for the courage it took to write this.
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reasonshouldrule
08:03 PM on 03/15/2009
You've made some very good points here. Where is the Rapture when we need it?
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kjstjohn
10:37 PM on 03/15/2009
LOL, reasonshou­ldrule. I am a Christian but have always suspected that if there were an actual rapture I would be left behind and some really decent atheists would be taken. I believe the rapture is a metaphor and that all the children of God (including people of all faiths and atheists)a­re lifted into God's embracing arms.
07:58 PM on 03/15/2009
One of my History teachers partly framed Hitler's rise to to power in Germany because of his focus of fear and hatred upon the Jews. He didn't lead with hope...he was only able to unite people through hate.

I went to a Southern Baptist school from age 3 to 18 and was aware of how much they liked to talk about "sin" and the need to "be saved." When they reached full saturation they would switch gears and start asking people to rededicate their lives to Jesus. They had a need to keep perpetuati­ng that cycle of fear and negativity­.

I think it's a danger to any group when they unite out of fear and hate instead of a positive goal. It's a sign of weakness in thought and originalit­y. Unfortunat­ely, people like the rush of emotions from effusive hate-monge­ring more than a calm, studied conversati­on between different paths of thought.



"Fear of something is at the root of hate for others, and hate within will eventually destroy the hater." - George Washington Carver
07:18 PM on 03/15/2009
The only thing that I think I would lie to add is that if the extreme elements of the right wing think they will win through armed insurrecti­on or through sedition or calls for state sovereignt­y and succesion they are completely delusional­.

They convince each other that liberals are a bunch of anti-gun pacifists that would be easy to bet in battle. Nothing could be further from the truth. Though some liberals may be members of PETA and may even engage in anti-war protest most are more moderate and will not stand idly by as ANYONE tries to destroy America.

Also they must stop and consider that the law enforcemen­t and political structure of our nation. While local law enforcemen­t may have jurisdicti­on in matters on the local level they have no power in federal matters.

Lastly they forget to use their imaginatio­n in an honest matter. The minute they commit one violent act in the name of overthrowi­ng our government they will find the majority of American's denouncing them and calling for their heads.
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pcplz
just a lil ol' lady with a mind.
01:42 PM on 03/16/2009
They will find out that , if they decide to fight, the liberals will be fighting for the United States of America. The one that the world believes it is and can continue to be. The ditto-head­s will be fighting for......u­h......for­.......the usa under Bush and Limbaugh. For hatred and suppressio­n and bully red neck values (?).

The South lost the last Civil War.......­remember?
05:59 PM on 03/15/2009
What is it with right wingers? Even when Bush mislead us into war, killing thousands and wrecking our economy no left wingers were talking about civil war. Sure they were screaming loud, but none was talking about armed insurrecti­on or revolution­. Why is it that right wingers think they have a monopoly on Americanis­m and it's their way or war. Why to them is it us against them, those others and we have them surrounded­? Is it a sense of entitlemen­t? Is it because God told them war and wrecking the economy is OK as long as it is them that is doing the wrecking?
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05:56 PM on 03/15/2009
Only a few months ago the same people would say that if you're against the president you must hate America. Now they say if you support the president you hate America.

I hope you've forwarded those emails to the FBI.
07:04 PM on 03/15/2009
Very nice point.

It is the never ending pretzel logic.

Much like if the economy rebounds it is because of what Bush did before he left office if it fails it is Obama's fault. Damned no matter what happens.
05:12 PM on 03/15/2009
There is a distinct and tangible advantage to be had out of the Republican­s becoming their own worst enemy. It can be reduced to a simple euphemism, like MOTS (more of the same); as in, a response to any recent release of drivel by politician or pundit -
"They've (He's) got the MOTS." Short, sweet, self explanator­y. Life becomes easier at a lower cost. Frankly, I'm appreciati­ve.
They need to be monitored, but not given credence. Make them earn that.
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Chernynkaya
04:49 PM on 03/15/2009
I have nothing to add to these comments, but because this post is one of the most important stories on Huffpo in a long time, I want to add my voice. EVERYONE SHOULD READ THIS. And pray our President is guarded well.