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Fred Karger

Fred Karger

Posted: December 22, 2008 11:12 AM

Dump Rick Warren - Letter to President-elect Obama


December 19, 2008

President-elect Barack Obama
Presidential Transition Office
Washington, DC 20270

Dear President-elect Obama:

The gay and lesbian community, our millions of friends and all other fair minded Americans are extremely hurt and angry with your choice of Reverend Rick Warren to give the invocation at your Inauguration next month.

In an interview just 4 days ago, Reverend Warren compared gay marriage to legitimizing incest, child abuse, and polygamy. He said:

I'm opposed to redefinition of a 5,000 year definition of marriage. I'm opposed to having a brother and sister being together and calling that marriage. I'm opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that marriage. I'm opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage." -- Rick Warren, Pastor of Saddleback Church, December 15, 2008

How can he talk about loving same-sex couples who wish to marry like everyone else in this cruel way? This guy is a bigot, plain and simple. He has a long history of saying mean and hateful things to so many Americans with whom he does not agree, and he seems an odd fit into your celebration as you assume the Presidency of the United States.

So today we are asking you to drop Rick Warren from delivering the invocation at your swearing in ceremony.

We will be launching a new web site www.DropRickWarren.com to ask others to join in our effort to help persuade you to choose another man or woman to take this place of honor at your historic Inauguration.

We hope that you will drop Reverend Warren soon, and instead pick one of the thousands of religious leaders who don't offend the gay and lesbian community and so many other Americans. You campaigned and were elected to unite this country and your removal of Rick Warren would go a long way toward achieving that goal.

Rick Warren was a major supporter of California's Proposition 8, the successful ballot initiative to ban gay marriage. Many prominent national gay leaders have called for Reverend Warren to step aside or for you to remove him.

Human Rights Campaign President Joe Solmonese, declared your invitation to Rick Warren a "genuine blow" to gay Americans. "And by inviting Rick Warren to your Inauguration, you have tarnished the view that gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Americans have a place at your table," he wrote.

Equality California Executive Director, Geoff Kors said yesterday that, "I have decided to decline the invitation to attend the inauguration as I cannot be part of a celebration that highlights and gives voice to someone who advocated repealing rights from me and millions of other Californians.

Mr. President-elect, we know that you are trying to be inclusive at your Inaugural and in your administration and we applaud that. We, however, strongly urge you to do the right thing and reconsider your choice of Rick Warren. If you drop Rick Warren, it will send a loud and clear message to America and the world that you do not tolerate discrimination and hatred from anyone.

Thank you very much.

Sincerely yours,

Fred Karger
Founder
www.CaliforniansAgainstHate.com

 
 
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11:39 AM on 12/23/2008
I definitely see Obama's point in the expression of various opinions being a vehicle for the healing of the country, however, I don't think this should extend to the dissemination of discrimination and misinformation. He should know better. If he is using the choice of Warren as another tidbit thrown to the evangelical right, he should be ashamed considering his ethnic origins. I personally will not be used as a political football throughout another administration no matter what my favorable impressions of Obama have been.
04:04 AM on 12/23/2008
When Obama was talking about inclusion and honoring our differences, he failed to mention that he'd provide a platform for people who helped put hate in the constitution...but wait, it doesn't stop there: that also includes people who go on national television saying gays are inherently immature and promiscuous; and people who vehemently claim that loving gay families are akin to incestuous relationships, statutory rape, and polygamy. [I'm still not sure how he came up with that...]

If Obama REALLY wanted to be inclusive and honor our differences, he could have chosen Pastor Thomas Robb, the national director of the KKK.

Or, he could have invited Kenyan Pastor Muthee, to drive away witches and pray over him as he did for Sarah Palin.

But that would have been too much. There would be seen an outpour of rage and protests from communities of color, and Progressive Christians, and surely the gay community would have there protesting and marching, too.

Rick Warren, however, was a much better choice. Right? Right! After all, he primarily offends a small, world-hated, misunderstood community like that of gay people.

I know I am going too far. I couldn't care less at this point. I am not interested in dismissing Obama as an all-around bigot. No. I am simply saying that the "inclusiveness" rhetoric and rationale might be an astute political move, but not necessarily a decent one. And Obama needs to hear that.
02:48 AM on 12/23/2008
Teaching the skills of critical thinking and analysis of cause/effect relationships must be at an all-time deficit in the US education system. Were Obama to drop Warren, there would be a massive backlash that would do more damage and create more animosity toward GLBTs than anything in recent history.
11:09 PM on 12/22/2008
I can't say it better than Melissa Etheridge here on Huffpost:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/melissa-etheridge/the-choice-is-ours-now_b_152947.html
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XME
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10:59 PM on 12/22/2008
"In an interview just 4 days ago, Reverend Warren compared gay marriage to legitimizing incest, child abuse, and polygamy."

I agree with it is offensive to compare legalizing gay marriage to legalizing incest or abuse...but with all due respect, how is legalizing gay marriage ANY different from legalizing polygamy if it's completely between consenting adults?

How is opposing Polygamy OK, but opposing gay marriage bigotry? And for the record, I believe marriage between adults should be legal, regardless of gender, etc.
10:05 PM on 12/23/2008
I have read Warren words over and over and do not read that he compared same-sex to these other ex eptions to marriage. He merelyl stated HIS view of the definition of marriage - he is a Christian pastor after all.
Prop 8 should NEVER have said same-sex MARRIAGE, call it same-sex UNION, anything but marriage and objections fall to the wayside.
Seriously, the world does not revolve around the same-sex marriage issue.
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04:42 PM on 12/22/2008
So you're suggesting that the way to deal with bigots is to be intolerant, too?

I'm not a fan of Rev. Warren. I am ALL in favor of tolerance. For EVERYONE. (Even for the intolerant.)

So I SUPPORT president-elect Obama's efforts to find common ground among ALL the different "camps".

How else to bring us together in "on tent"? By marginalizing those in the "wrong"? (Then where's the dif?)
06:48 PM on 12/22/2008
Never tolerate those who will demonize you. Having a difference of opinion is fine. I say make the tent as large as possible. But people who demonize others, tear others down to elevate themselves, belittle people by comparing them to human monsters like pedophiles should not be elevated. We should have a dialogue, yes but people who are unrepentantly intolerant are called bigots and bigots must be relegated to the margins of society.
Obama is doing so much more than tolerating Warren, he is elevating him to a position of authority and credibility.
08:48 AM on 12/23/2008
Well your explanation helps me understand President Bush better. Before Bush was inaugurated he was demonized by the press, Gore, and critics like yourself. Your advice is "Never tolerate those who will demonize you.". That is what Bush did. He avoided the media, did not seek the advice of people who opposed him with different ideas, and did not reach out to terrorist. By your advise Bush did the right thing.

Do you want Obama to turn into another Bush?
10:06 PM on 12/23/2008
DEMONIZE??????????seriously
04:40 PM on 12/22/2008
It's good to see the outrage in the gay community. The outrage is directing organization and ideas - some of the key ingredients missing from the Prop 8 fight. I however wish this passion and single minded determination had been there from jump street instead of a reaction to what is perceived as betrayal. Warren will be at the Inauguration, and many of us don't care for him, perhaps not for the same reason as the gay community, but then again, many of us decided to go to DC or watch for Obama/Biden and the historic aspect we all had a part in.
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04:30 PM on 12/22/2008
Yeah. That otta work.

(But I sincerely do appreciate your efforts, Mr Karger. Thanks.)
04:29 PM on 12/22/2008
PE Obama has become somewhat iconic. His decisions are going to carry a lot of weight for many reasons other than the obvious. He is legitimizing a known bigot who practices unjust discrimination against gay people. They aren't allowed to be members of his church if they are "unrepentant". He equates them with pedophiles and child molesters. Warren also actively drives programs designed to "cure" gay people from being homosexual.

I did vote for PE Obama and I will support him. I am not turning my back on him. That doesn't mean I agreed to be a sheep or a puppet. When I disagree with his choices I will let it be known.
02:53 AM on 12/23/2008
Thankyou
I am turning away from obama, but I respect your position.
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03:13 PM on 12/22/2008
Rev Warren is going to be on TV every week whether he gets dumped from his 10 minute invocation or not - and will have the same followers whether he gets dumped or not. In the unlikely event that Warren was replaced - just how would this help the cause. I suspect that it would just increase the number of evangels actively opposing GLBT issues and you need less opposition - not more.
I don't like televangelists at all and I'm starting to feel more sympathetic to Rev Warren than to the LGBT activists wanting him removed. You may want to re-examine your strategy.
04:25 PM on 12/22/2008
I agree. Enough with the drama. Your strategy is making me and many of my friends rethink our support of GLBT issues. This is a losing issue and makes you look like the people you hate.

ENOUGH ALREADY!!
02:45 AM on 12/23/2008
I'm gay, and I agree!
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AnotherTry
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05:59 AM on 12/23/2008
We don't need fake support like yours. We need real support and I'm sure we would have never got it from you regardless of how we reacted to this decision.
02:36 PM on 12/22/2008
Mr. Obama is either a nut-job, which I doubt, or he is a genius trying to demonstrate the importance of communicating with one's enemies, and he means it. For now, I'm going with the latter. All these divisions, these fingers pointing. Getting along with someone whose values turn one's stomach, in this shrinking world, is a skill we would do well to develop. Yesterday I watched Mia Farrow describe visiting a camp in Africa where infants are being raped. We really must get past these illusional differences and work for the dignity of all. I'm tired of all these lines in the sand.
01:58 PM on 12/22/2008
Good God you people are nuts. He is just giving a freaking invocation. Thats all. When You get elected President you can ask who YOU want. PE Obama needs to ask who HE wants. Get over it.
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tbone99
cruisin' duality
02:59 PM on 12/22/2008
Of course it was who Obama wanted him. The sad thing is that out of thousands of ministers he WANTED to elevate one who is a bigot and a promoter of discriminatory pratices onto the national stage .

We get the message , but it wasn;t the message we voted for. We actually had hoped for CHANGE, not continuation of a message of hate.
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JimR
03:38 PM on 12/22/2008
And yet he chose for the benediction, the "final word" of the ceremony, the Rev. Lowery, a gay rights supporter... a fact you completely IGNORE.
10:10 PM on 12/23/2008
Perhaps he chose Rev. Warren because his church is one of the few Christian churches where 90%, yes 90%, of their collections go to fight poverty and HIV/AIDS, particularly in Africa.
01:57 PM on 12/22/2008
Obama is all Americans' president, including the bigots. It is wise of him to include someone they look up to because this will make them feel included in the big tent which is the new America and undoubtedly help a lot of them drop the hate and join the party. To vilify them by treating their leaders like outcasts might feel vengefully good in the short term, but its cutting off your nose to spite your face. The more we can make all Americans feel included, the better for all of us in the long run.

Be smart like Obama. Stop hating, even if it feels like righteous anger. Everyone's got something to be mad at these days, and very few are going to privilege your angry pov over their angry pov. What will bring progress is focusing on what we have in common, not fanning the flames and reminding people to be angry about whatever their problem is.
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tbone99
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03:00 PM on 12/22/2008
Perhaps he should invite David Duke , just to show that he also the president of White Supremists
and wants them to feel included.
12:25 AM on 12/23/2008
A very solid majority of the country are not in favor of Gay marriage. A solid majority also think there is something unnatural or disordered, as the Catholics put it, about homosexual relationships.

Call that whatever you wish, but if you think it is sane politics to equate people like that, who simply believe what most people have always believed, with David Duke, you had better hope the court's stay on your side, because you can forget about the legislatures.

Most of Warren's supporters were, in the past, part of the base of the Democratic party, not the Republican. They are not wealthy, they are not financial elites, they are economic conservatives. But if you are going to insult their views, rather than try to change them gradually, you are going to lose. If you would rather lose, for the purity of informing the majority of people in this country that they are hate filled bigots, be my guest. Obama made one mis-step in that direction during the campaign. He has not repeated it.

I am no supporter of Obama. But the man is a gifted politician. He wants a good chunk of the Christian voters back from the Republicans, and he wants to blunt their opposition to his agenda, and he knows what he is doing.
10:12 PM on 12/23/2008
Seriously, David Duke and Rick Warren are comparable? Get a grip. Rev. Warren is against same-sex MARRIAGE, not anti-gay.
10:03 AM on 12/23/2008
I love it when people who protest hate are called haters.
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01:39 PM on 12/22/2008
I have pretty much agreed with every pick and positioning PE Obama has made. His choices have been shrewd, intelligent and sometimes upopular, especially Clinton as SoS which I strongly support.

But I agree that PE Obama needs to dump Warren.

My choice for PE Obama to give the invocation/benediction: The Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
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JimR
01:17 PM on 12/22/2008
I respectfully disagree.

First, while Warren certainly does oppose gay marriage, you fail to note that he supports equal rights for gays and supports domestic partnerships.

Second, I don't think he is equating homosexuality with pedophilia and incest. I understand that is your spin of the comments he made, but to me, that is using the time-honored Karl Rove trick of focusing on one thing, taking it out of context, and twisting it to mean something that was not intended.

Third, by obsessively focusing on Warren's 2-minute prayer, you ignore and disrespect the Rev. Lowery, a civil rights icon who supports gay rights and will deliver the benediction (the "final word" of the ceremony) and the Lesbian and Gay Marching Band Association, who has been invited to take part in the inaugural parade.

And finally, it seems to me there are far more serious issues facing the gay community, such as the lack of any rights in most states. It would be most unfortunate if they risked support among straight people by placing too much importance on a stupid 2-minute prayer that everyone will forget the next day. There are real battles to be fought. This is not one of them.
02:18 PM on 12/22/2008
Jim R.

I respectfully disagree. This isn't just about gay marriage. Mr. Warren believes the LGBT community doesn't have the right to exist. He denies our humanity.

Dehumanization was the first step Hitler took agains the Jews--and I won't apologize for the analogy.

PE Obama has given an intolerant bigot an international platform. It was a mistake. He should be man enough to admit it.
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JimR
03:42 PM on 12/22/2008
Actually, Warren has said he supports gay rights and domestic partnerships. He is just against what he sees as a redefinition of marriage. I don't agree with him, but Hitler he is not.

Your analogy to the Holocaust is pretty pitiful and irresponsible. Thankfully, PE Obama has much more sense than that.