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Gay Divorce: SB651 Opens California Divorce Courts To Non-Residents

Posted: 10/13/2011 12:05 am

One of the nastiest dimensions of the battle over same-sex marriage has been the lack of access to divorce courts for same-sex married couples that reside in non-recognition states. While you might think that anti-gay judges would be thrilled to help these gay couples break up, in fact that is not true. Judges in Texas, Oklahoma, Rhode Island and other states have refused to grant divorces to lesbian or gay couples who went elsewhere to get married or have relocated from the state in which they got married, on the grounds that granting a divorce would constitute a form of official recognition of their marriage. Mind you, most of these couples are not asking a judge to grant them any property or alimony based upon their marriage, since they've already settled those issues -- they just want to get an order of dissolution. And the couples have good reasons for wanting the court order. Even if they have resolved their financial affairs, they need to get a divorce so they can be free of future liabilities, and so they will be able to marry or legally partner their new romantic interest.

The legal origin of these problems stems from what is referred to as the "domicile" rule, which means couples ordinarily can only get divorced in the state in which they reside at the time of their break-up, regardless of where they lived when they got married. The purpose of this rule, which goes back more than a century, is to prevent nasty husbands (or wives) from evading the divorce rules of the state they live in, by simply hopping across the state line to get a divorce in another state. For example, if a husband in New York didn't like the property rules imposed on him by the New York court, it would be unfair to his wife if he could simply drive a few miles away to a more lenient state and file for divorce there.

While these rules may make sense for heterosexual couples who can always get a divorce in whatever state they live in, they wreak havoc for couples who live in states that won't grant them a divorce under any conditions -- even if they've reached a property settlement with their spouse. This is a vivid example of where the denial of the right to marry ends up as a denial of the right to get a divorce.

Fortunately, the California legislature has just passed a bill (which was signed into law on October 9th by Governor Jerry Brown) that resolves this problem -- at least for those who came to California and got married there in 2008. It will also help those who may in the future get married in California, if and when Proposition 8 (which bans same-sex marriages) is repealed or ruled to be unconstitutional. The bill is titled SB (Senate Bill) 651, and the full text can be found here.

The new law will go into effect in January 2012. It provides that if a couple got married in California but lives in a state that won't grant them a divorce (which is presumed if the state doesn't recognize their marriage), the California court will have jurisdiction to grant them a dissolution. The divorce case will be filed in the county where the couple got married, and the dissolution is supposed to be adjudicated "in accordance with California law."

There is a lot that remains unresolved in this new legislation, especially what it means to adjudicate a divorce in accordance with California law if the spouses are not residents. But for those who have been able to reach their own private settlement agreement, this will enable them at least to obtain a formal dissolution. And, while there is also some uncertainty on the details, chances are the dissolution will be honored in other states, even non-recognition states. This will allow the ex-spouses to enter into contracts as a formerly married person, and to be treated once again as an unmarried person.

It's a long ways from full marriage recognition in every state, but at least the couples that married in California will now be free to get divorced, wherever they live!

 
One of the nastiest dimensions of the battle over same-sex marriage has been the lack of access to divorce courts for same-sex married couples that reside in non-recognition states. While you might t...
One of the nastiest dimensions of the battle over same-sex marriage has been the lack of access to divorce courts for same-sex married couples that reside in non-recognition states. While you might t...
 
 
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04:17 PM on 10/14/2011
I don't know why this law has all you people who didn't get married in California so riled up. It doesn't affect you. It doesn't affect heterosexual couples who are or might become married and later divorced, either. All it does is help a relatively small group of people who married in California and can't get a divorce where they live, and don't find it convenient to move back to California just so they can legally dissolve their marriage and move on with their lives like anybody else.

Congratulations to our Legislature and Governor for solving a problem.
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dbrett480
12:18 PM on 10/18/2011
I think people have a problem with this for two reasons:

1) It applies a second set of legal rules for a certain demographic that isn't available to everyone else.
2) In times of a huge budget crunch, it gives residents of other states who don't contribute anything to CA, access to expensive state services.
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dbrett480
01:39 AM on 10/14/2011
Courts are in a massive budget crunch (as is most other government agencies); how do people think this additional burden will be payed for? This is typical of California legislative measures, it appeals to a certain demographic without any thought as to how it will be paid for.
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Ed Baker
All Hail Big Mother
02:31 PM on 10/14/2011
Should gay folks be excused from taxes then? If they aren't going to get the same benefits, should they still have to pay the taxes?
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dbrett480
06:10 PM on 10/14/2011
It is up to the states to decide whether they want gay marriage or not. I support gay marriage. What I do not support is manipulating the judicial system simply to appease one segment of the population.
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JShankel
I want my country forward
03:23 PM on 10/14/2011
Oh please.  We have no fault divorce in California.  And you pay fees to file the paperwork. 

You're basically arguing that we shouldn't allow gay people to drive because we can't afford the burden of licensing them.

Equal protection means just that. 

But tell you what: I'd be all in favor of banning straight divorce if you want to save some money.  Hmm?
03:54 PM on 10/14/2011
I agree, and would go even further. Banning straight marriage as well as straight divorce would eliminate the inequality problem.

As we are now, some are more equal than others.
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dbrett480
06:08 PM on 10/14/2011
The fees barely cover the actual cost of hearing the case. And what if the parties can't afford the fees and want an at-fault divorce? The state will be picking up the tab for people who aren't even state taxpayers. This doesn't even count the jurisdictional issues with having a divorce in a state where you don't even reside in.
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JShankel
I want my country forward
01:19 AM on 10/14/2011
But under DOMA, other states don't have to recognize gay divorce, right?  This just keeps getting better and better.

By the way, for everyone saying that polygamy is coming next, well, welcome to it because DOMA implicitly legalizes polygamy.  Because giving states the option to not recognize marriages performed in other states means that you can get married in multiple states.

A man marries another man in Iowa.  Then our hero moves to California and marries a woman.  California does not recognize his Iowa marriage, but Iowa MUST recognize his California marriage which, in addition to his Iowa marriage,makes him doubly married in Iowa.

Of course, if you get rid of DOMA and just say states must recognize each other's marriages EVEN IF they don't provide the same service, this all goes away and no one is hurt.

Many states allow first cousins to marry.  Many states don't.  But those that don't are required to recognize first cousin marriages from other states.

Many people object to first cousin marriages on moral grounds.  Many people do not.  And somehow, the Republic endures.
08:01 PM on 10/13/2011
Cart before the horse?
02:43 PM on 10/13/2011
Ok who gets the kids, the dad or the dad, or the mom or the mom, or.....or....oh forget it, let the courts that started all this figure it out...This will turn into a great "divorce court" reality show...wanna bet???
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Ed Baker
All Hail Big Mother
02:34 PM on 10/14/2011
Gay divorces are the best hope heterosexual men have to someday get equitable treatment in the family courts. Heterosexual men should support gay marriage and gay divorce if they are smart. The family courts are completely gender biased, especially in California - where paternity fraud is state assisted and state sanctioned.
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BLMer
02:28 PM on 10/13/2011
Just another way gays are treated as second class citizens.
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bmitche
02:03 PM on 10/13/2011
You can't have gay marriage without gay divorce.
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bcody1944
American Patriot
01:21 PM on 10/13/2011
Good grief.
01:16 PM on 10/13/2011
Well they wanted to get married, but marriage is not all its cracked up to be, so now I guess we will have to let them get divorced, but could have saved a whole lot of hassel not letting them get married in the first place
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neighborhoodmole
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07:25 PM on 10/13/2011
WIth that line of reasoning, why don't we save everyone the hassle by getting rid of all legal marriage? 50% of them end up in divorce, you know.
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JonB2057
Think, it ain't illegal yet!
11:23 AM on 10/14/2011
"WIth that line of reasoning, why don't we save everyone the hassle by getting rid of all legal marriage? 50% of them end up in divorce, you know"

With your line of reasoning, why not get rid of all people? 100% of us will die eventually!
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JShankel
I want my country forward
01:21 AM on 10/14/2011
Same is true of straight people.  They get married.  They get divorced.

There's no trouble. Just give everyone equal access to all the laws. 

Gay marriages are likely to have a lower rate of divorce for a long time because no one gets gay married at 18 and because fewer gay couples stay in it "for the kids."
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JonB2057
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11:30 AM on 10/14/2011
"Gay marriages are likely to have a lower rate of divorce for a long time because no one gets gay married at 18 and because fewer gay couples stay in it "for the kids.""

Likely?? What happens when/if this child wants to get "parental (?) permission to get married at 17 or 18? Also, what does happen to the children when homosexuals divorce?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/31/transgender-10-year-old-j_n_943654.html
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wrascil
12:58 PM on 10/13/2011
2 wrongs don't make it right
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fmarasajr
conducting a battle of wits with unarmed people.
12:52 PM on 10/13/2011
let the courts in the state that opened up this can of worms deal with it.
HoosierInMaryland
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12:17 AM on 10/14/2011
"let the courts in the state that opened up this can of worms deal with it."

And if you had read the article, you would know that the state of California is doing EXACTLY that.
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JShankel
I want my country forward
01:24 AM on 10/14/2011
We are dealing with it.  Same sex couples cannot marry in our state.  But they can get divorced.

Just like...

First cousins cannot marry in Texas.  But they can here in our lovely state.  If a pair of first cousins marries here and then moves to Texas to divorce, Texas will grant them that divorce even though they would not have allowed them to marry in the first place.

We've been good at this for 250 years.  It's called "full faith and credit."  DOMA is the can of worms.  DOMA allows polygamy...because if you can marry in one state and other states don't recognize that marriage, then you can move and marry again without divorcing.
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Mindy Czech
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11:56 AM on 10/13/2011
I don't understand why anyone would be against helping gay people get a divorce. I'd think that the religious right would eat that with a spoon, since that marriage/civil union would be ended. Why make it so hard for them to do it? Gay people sometimes marry the wrong person, someone they thought they would be with for the rest of their lives, in the same way that straight people sometimes marry the wrong person. It isn't "trying to have their cake and eat it too" or asking for special consideration, it is asking for the same consideration any straight person has.
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neighborhoodmole
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07:27 PM on 10/13/2011
I think the problem the anti-gay people have is any legal recognition of gay people! The biggest insult you can give to someone is to deny their right to exist. That is why they keep saying it is a choice, if it were inborn, they would have to admit that gay people exist without external influence. Then they would lose their fundraising scapegoat issue.
11:37 AM on 10/13/2011
I say let California have this gay divorce law. They need the extra money from court fees ,don't they?
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JShankel
I want my country forward
01:25 AM on 10/14/2011
It's not a gay divorce law.  It's just a law.  We don't give out gay drivers' licenses or gay library cards either.
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roadking01
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11:34 AM on 10/13/2011
i have been married over 30 years but it has had it's ups and downs believe me. i hate that anyone can't work through their problems but what is the deal here? sometimes people just can't work it out or don't want to but if one is allowed to do it ,"divorce" then all should be. equal rights for everyone.
11:27 AM on 10/13/2011
If those states won't recognize divorce since it would then be recognizing the marriage between gays, then why would it recognize any other legal matters that occur under normal divorce prcedures? Future liabilities or the right to "marry " a future love interest wouldn't come into play except for the state that recognized their marriage, California [or wherever] . Seems like a non story.