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Could Same-Sex Marriage Benefit Traditional Marriage?

Posted: 07/24/2011 10:28 am

On July 24, the State of New York begins allowing same-sex couples to marry.

Gay rights advocates in the state are bruised and beaten from years of fighting political and social battles, struggling to bring marriage legislation to a vote. Cultural observers predicted that if the bill ever made it to the congressional floor, it would likely pass. New York, after all, is not Texas or South Carolina or even Colorado. New York City boasts the nation's highest population of gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgendered people. Today, the LGBT community is elated.

In closed-door conversations, many of the Christian leaders I know admit this new law could be the decisive defeat in the three-decade old war that began at The Stonewall Inn. They lament a nation that seems to have disregarded the ancient consensus on marriage held by most every major world religion and society since the beginning of time. But their discussions, surprisingly, move toward the future and to the question of "how to remain biblically faithful, yet credible, in a pluralistic, post-Christian culture?" But stating this publicly would signal defeat; so for now, they keep these conversations private.

Maybe they shouldn't.

According to Christianity Today, the effect of the New York law has moved well beyond The Empire State, inducing a "surge in sexuality debates" among religious communities across the nation. Richard Land of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission said, "This is probably the biggest challenge to traditional marriage that we've seen." And many in the Christian community still struggle with how to engage their friends in the LGBT community. Some are confused, unsure of how to react to this new law.

Is it conceivable that as the focus of many Christians narrowed to the political debates surrounding "marriage", that our attention was diverted from assessing the health of our own marriages? Christians need to be having rigorous, civil dialogues about marriage and sexuality that go beyond the issues of same-sex relationships. Shame no longer keeps divorce and infidelity from being commonplace fixtures in American culture. This degradation of marriage is due, not to the 2.8% of those who identify as LGBT in our society, but to the heterosexuals with spoiled marriages and the increasingly popular hook-up culture in the younger generation.

On a distinguished panel addressing the question "What is Marriage?" Dr. Robert George of Princeton University said, "The problem with marriage in our culture isn't same-sex marriage. It lies in heterosexual sexual activity in and outside of marriage."

We must remember that there are many ways to influence and to engage our culture's definitions of marriage and sexuality. Only a small portion of the American population, after all, identifies as gay or lesbian. And while a few states legally recognize same-sex unions, the majority of states have laws defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman.

Followers of Jesus have a great task ahead, and fortunately for us, momentum plays in our favor. The latest Census data points out that over 77% of couples married since 1990 made it to their tenth anniversary. That's an increase from 74% in the 1980s, when divorce rates were at an all-time high. A stunning statistic, considering most divorces in first marriages happen within eight years, and many of us believe the well-publicized line that "over half of all marriages end in divorce." With such a hopeful trend undergirding our efforts, Christians must be poised to lead a discussion not just about the Biblical definition of marriage, but also how to choose a spouse, how to maintain healthy marriages, and how to weather the storms of marriage that every couple must face.

The generation now coming of age is one that has grown up amid sexual tolerance. Purity is often a laughing matter and sexual identity is something with which they are encouraged to experiment. This hook-up culture easily tempts the average youth group adolescent as well. Many young men and women, however, still dream of getting married, but many grew up with little modeling of healthy dating and married relationships.

How can Christians who care deeply about traditional marriage move forward in this new era? By focusing on what we can control--loving our spouses, serving our families, renewing our commitment to help others whose marriages are failing, and by engaging with the youngest generations on what it looks like for them to pursue healthy sexuality. If the recent New York law becomes the impetus for Christians to stop reacting and start leading in these ways, it may be the best thing that's happened to traditional marriage in more than a generation.
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1. How can we move from political conversations to personal discussions about healthy sexuality within our families and friendship circles?
2. What are ways Christians can contribute to a healthy marriage culture?

 
 
 
 
 
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Angie Tyne 1
I want my disagree button!!
03:24 PM on 07/27/2011
CDC - divorce:
http://tinyurl.com/3hbyf6g
1 Nevada: 7.1
2 Arkansas: 6.2
3 Alabama: 5.4
3 Wyoming: 5.4
5 Idaho: 5.3
6 West Virginia: 5.2
6 Kentucky: 5.2
8 Tennessee: 5.1
8 Florida: 5.1
10 Mississippi: 4.9

37 Connecticut: 3.3
39 Rhode Island: 3.2
39 Wisconsin: 3.2
41 Iowa: 3.1
41 Minnesota: 3.1
41 Pennsylvania: 3.1
44 North Dakota: 3
45 Illinois: 2.9
46 Georgia: 2.5
47 Massachusetts: 2.3
http://pewsocialtrends.org/2009/10/15/the-states-of-marriage-and-divorce/
http://www.divorcereform.org/cor.html
http://tinyurl.com/ztpwm

Probably has more to do w/the age of the people marrying. From the list you see that they’re conservative, religious populations. There’s a push for young people marrying as a way to become adults in these states w/little emphasis placed on education, especially for women. This, combined w/pressure toward abstinence, provides a bad mix of sex drive, ignorance, and bad teen decision making.

The lowest rated states are primarily northern w/mixed or liberal leaning populaces which place a higher value on education and don’t primarily support abstinence. Four of the lowest rated also allow SSM. (Georgia seems to be an anomaly; not sure why.)

Here's a list to start:
- better k-12 education
- eliminate abstinence only nonsense
- support programs that encourage people to wait before marrying
- Promote the idea of independent women not subservient ones
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William D Simpson
08:03 PM on 07/26/2011
There is no Christian America. There are though Christians in America who will continue to proclaim the Gospel and warn society about future events. GOD knows the future...

http://wsimpson.wordpress.com/2011/07/05/their-intent-to-criminalize-free-speech-in-america/
05:54 PM on 07/25/2011
We live in a Culture that traditionally reinforced the taboo of Homosexuality. It is institutionalized. Yet LGBT have managed to circumvent, to some degree, the road blocks set in place to stigmatize my being. My partner and I have been in a committed relationship for 40 years. Not because that is supposed to be the Cultural norm, but because that respect for boundaries, has been the basis for our friendship. The only role I play is that of a best friend. We aren't burdened with traditional role playing and sexual stereotypes. We created our "script" and never felt the pressure to "act out' the illusions that pass as the foundations for stability.
One thing I have read it that LGBT have always had to turn obstacles into opportunities. We and Artist are experts at rehabbing or gentrifying run down neighborhoods. Manyt of the most Fashionable Neighborhoods in the world were the result of the pioneering efforts of LGBT Folks and Artist. If we can turn bad neighborhoods and real estate around, give us time , maybe we will restore Marriage to a respectable institution with a solid foundation.
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TBJ
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05:11 PM on 07/25/2011
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Greetings TBJ

You are sadly mistaken.

"Beliefs" in the form of concepts of justice and morality are the basis for EVERY LAW.

Show us the "fact" or "proof" of justice.

Show us the "fact" or "proof" of what is considered allowable behavior, and that which is prohibited­.

Marriage was certainly a relationsh­ip created by God. Just because you choose to NOT believe that...doe­sn't invalidate the truth of it. Cheers :)

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Posting here because this is important.

Pain. Pain is the proof.

I punch you, I cause you mental pain. I threaten you, harass you, I cause you mental pain.

People are people, and people feel pain. Therefore we have laws that punish people for causing others (or ourselves in some cases) pain. How is that not obvious.

Also, your last sentence. You say you're certain because you believe it to be true. That's not certainty, when there is no evidence other than an ancient tome. I feel 10 times dumber from just reading that sentence.
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Dee Gradee
02:18 PM on 07/25/2011
Why are we even debating with or about these religious goofballs? Them blaming gay marriage on the failure of heterosexual marriage is like blaming me for eating a greasy slice of pizza for your greasy hands. makes no sense. isn't based in reality. just like their religious beliefs. since when do facts come from books and not reality?
01:16 PM on 07/25/2011
They lament a nation that seems to have disregarded the ancient consensus on marriage held by most every major world religion and society since the beginning of time.

With THAT kind of faux-historical and anti-intellecutal non-factual perspective it is NO wonder you "religious" folks are loosing. You have NO sense of history if you predicate it upon a book of fairy tales.
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Misterioso Adversario
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02:59 PM on 07/25/2011
"With THAT kind of faux-histo­rical and anti-intel­lecutal non-factua­l perspectiv­e it is NO wonder you "religious­" folks are loosing. You have NO sense of history if you predicate it upon a book of fairy tales."

The hilarious part is that they think that if a majority of people agree on something, then it must be true. There was a time when a majority of Americans thought slavery was ok, but now I think they would be hard pressed to find anyone who agrees with that statement.
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timetraveler2039
Choose peace.
01:14 PM on 07/25/2011
Am a heterosexual, married and divorced three times. Each time I prayed that things would work out. Thirty years ago I decided that my problem was me and the lousy choices I made -- have been single ever since. I think everyone - gay or straight, pink or green- should be entitled to have the same opportunities for wedded bliss!
02:30 PM on 07/25/2011
Obviously, you are not a good source of information about how to do marriage. About the only thing you can teach anyone aoout marriage is how NOT to do it.
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TBJ
Irrelevent Blurb
02:49 PM on 07/25/2011
Yes, we should trust people like Newt Gingrich. /sarcasm
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timetraveler2039
Choose peace.
02:53 PM on 07/25/2011
No, I am not the poster child for happy marriage -- nor am I smug! I've lived life my way -- and for most of it have been very content and happy -- hope you can say the same!
12:55 PM on 07/25/2011
Yes, it is important that we all work towards strong marriages and teach our children by example when we can and by honest dialogue about our own faults measured against the plumb line of God's design for man and woman to "leave and cleave" to one another.

We must also, in this time of moral ambiguity around the sexes, stand firm and teach our children the Word of God. Romans 1:18-28. There is grace and there is truth.
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Zilo
Independent/Republicans hate freedom
02:46 PM on 07/25/2011
The most important thing we must teach our children is to ignore people who would teach them hate towards their fellow human beings. That means making sure they grow up with adequate critical thinking skills to avoid emotional crutches like religion.
03:44 PM on 07/25/2011
I am not condoning the teaching of hate. I am stating that we must teach the Word of God. Romans is not about hate, but love. A God that loves perfectly.
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Misterioso Adversario
THE THIRST MUTILATOR!
03:01 PM on 07/25/2011
"We must also, in this time of moral ambiguity around the sexes"

Last time I checked morality had nothing to do with nature.
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practiceempathy
Tolerance need not yield to willful ignorance.
12:46 PM on 07/25/2011
"how to remain biblically faithful, yet credible, in a pluralistic, post-Christian culture?"

*****

Constantly citing the Bible to justify discriminatory laws has ZERO credibility.

Actually, believing the Bible is a credible "playbook" for contemporary society is just incredible; it's an anthropological document written by a patriarchy that wanted to influence future societies for millenia, therein making the patriarchy immortal.
02:31 PM on 07/25/2011
Tolerance need not yieald to willful ignorance such as yours.
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practiceempathy
Tolerance need not yield to willful ignorance.
02:55 PM on 07/25/2011
Oh, I tolerate organized religion.

I have NO issues with it, so long as those who practice it keep their paws off the civil liberties of others, and so long as they don't commit spiritual violence, and that's exactly what a lot of them do.

You don't see me out putting together petition drives to ban organized religion, or to strip churches of their tax-exempt status.

THAT is tolerance. Live and let live.
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Misterioso Adversario
THE THIRST MUTILATOR!
03:02 PM on 07/25/2011
Someone who believes in a 2,000 year old collection of stories with no factual basis calling someone else willfully ignorant. Astounding.
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elaygee
12:00 PM on 07/25/2011
Putting a halt to repeating th lie that one man one woman marriages have been the "law" since time began would be a good place to start. Apparently these people have never actually read the bible. All of the patriachs have multiple wives and further had children with concubines (in house prostitutes with expense accounts)
Marriage as a law didn't even exist until a few hundred years ago. Marriage until then was a contract between the husband and the parents of the bride, more like a commercial transaction with an exchange of property and gifts.
11:41 AM on 07/25/2011
It's difficult to credit anyone who uses the phrase "traditional marriage." There is not now, nor has there ever been any such thing. The institution has been in flux for all of recorded history and has been regularly redefined and repurposed. Like all human institutions, it must evolve and change or die.

It's also difficult to respect anyone who talks about "purity" outside of a laboratory. First, "the perfect is the enemy of the good." Second, the equation of virginity with innocence and sexual activity with contamination is nothing more than shame hiding its spiritual leprosy under vestments. I've never fully understood Christianity's fear and loathing of the body, but a cult which kneels before a naked dying one erotically nailed to a torture device seems guaranteed to create somatic dis-ease way beyond my ken.

In the 21st century, Christians can best serve their faith by abandoning their religions, which are rigid, hypocritical corporations more interested in profit than charity. Churches pursue political power at the expense of transcendence and are too mired in superstition and dogma to serve real spiritual needs. Spiritual middle men who presume to stand between anyone and God are invariably charlatans, and it's hardly surprising that supporting a church is antithetical to faith.

Christians might ponder the inescapable fact that Christ was a radical who sought to overthrow the oppressive, corrupt religious institutions of his time. Spirituality has never been about coloring inside the lines.
01:17 PM on 07/25/2011
WOW. Wish I could fan you again. Alas, I can only favorite this. THANK YOU!
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r henry
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02:26 PM on 07/25/2011
I will do it in your name
05:54 PM on 07/25/2011
My partner just read your post and shouted down the stairs, "Tell 'em to try living with you!"

(He's joking. I think.)
02:34 PM on 07/25/2011
Jesus believed a marriage requires a man to be the husband, and a woman to be the wife. Without both, you don't have a marriage. Check the Gospels for verification.
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Zilo
Independent/Republicans hate freedom
02:51 PM on 07/25/2011
Seriously? Who cares what Jesus believed? We don't even know if Jesus existed. The bible should not be used as "verification" for anything, *especially* in a supposedly modern society.

Christianity is outdated. It has almost nothing to say about current day issues we face. It was only relevant to the time periods it references, and even then, it is so internally inconsistent as to be useless.
02:53 PM on 07/25/2011
I'm not Christian but I am an American. What the bible says about anything at all is completely irrelevant so far as public policy is concerned. Read the First Amendment for verification.
11:07 AM on 07/25/2011
Government should get out of the marriage business. Why does someone pay a different tax if they are married or not.
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TBJ
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02:44 PM on 07/25/2011
Two people living together and sharing their income can buy more things. That's a main reason for it.

The government has an interest in promoting marriage. Gay and straight.
TOOO
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11:00 AM on 07/25/2011
Personally, I think religion (and marriage) are on their way out in this country, anyways. Americans, for the most part, don't really take religion seriously, even though we certainly give it a lot of lip service. I get the impression that many people feel as long as you show up for church on Sunday, you've done your Christian duty, been forgiven your sins, and you can go out and commit new ones.

I also think that the number one cause of divorce is... marriage. A lot of marriages fail simply because those two people don't belong together. Far too many relationships seem to be built on sex and money, or simply the desire to snag a "trophy".
02:11 PM on 07/25/2011
Also people grow in different directions. The person that you are at age 40 may be very different from the person that you were at age 25. Unfortunately, our society puts this huge premium on marriage and reproduction and if you don't get into at a young age you miss the boat.

Marriage is a good thing but when its done because of society pressure on when its held together for all the wrong reasons (particularly for religious reasons) its two people living in hell.
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Morcat
10:15 AM on 07/25/2011
First of all, we need to abandon the false idea of "traditional" marriage. Marriage has never had a consistent definition across cultures, nor has it been consistent scripturally, as the RCL reading yesterday of Jacob's pursuit of a marriage to Laban's daughters exemplifies. Secondly, all Christians are not painfully struggling to figure out how to deal with same sex marriage. Many of us are rejoicing for our LGBT sisters and brothers and we've been welcoming them into our congregations with open arms for years -- their rightful place at God's table. Then to answer the question of whether straight marriages have something to learn from same sex marriage -- yes, they do. They may learn what a marriage between two equals can look like, instead of the usual patriarchal union. They will have examples of the level of loyalty and devotion that it takes to stay together against huge odds, rather than run to the divorce lawyer at the first problem. Those are just a beginning.
04:47 PM on 07/25/2011
Thanks Morcat. As a gay American in an LTR (13 yrs and counting), I very much appreciate your words. I don't share your beliefs on Christianity any longer but feel a connection to your courage and obvious compassion. As our country has ventured on, and off, and on the road to equality for America's LGBT citizens I sometimes feel like the lens through which I view the world is severely and permanently out of whack, in that what I see all around me has nothing to do with the descriptions of gay folks by the other side. As a gay person, the acts of courage by my gay friends, and their gay friends, and increasingly our non-gay allies are such uncomplicated, gleaming examples of what I remember most fondly about Jesus' teaching, be he divine or just inspired (and obviously fringe-y and radical in his time). Your post reminded me that my experience as a gay person won't always be that different from the rest of my countrymen/women. Just saying thanks for the words and actions.
09:44 AM on 07/25/2011
First, it's real duplicity to suggest that our evangelical Christian "friends" have been vilifying, slandering and dehumanizing us gays for some forty years (taking up the "cause" as soon as the medical and psychiatric professions faced realities about human sexuality and dropped it) out of a genuine concern to protect marriage; for most of this time marriage equality for us gays was all but inconceivable and a total political non-starter. Let's face facts - Their primary motivation all these years has been simple hatred cloaked in religion. Same thing this country witnessed during the time of the black civil rights movement.
Secondly, if evangelicals weren't so consumed by gay-hatred they might recognize that the marriage they consider traditional (though tradition is in fact hardly that simple as the Bible itself, ironically enough, makes clear) has been undermined by female equality and that has come about thanks to the technological advances that have largely eliminated the formerly extremely important role of physical strength in economics. .