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Adventures in Pornland

Posted: 7/6/10

Writing a book about porn can take a person on some strange research missions, but for me the most bizarre was no doubt the three days I spent at the Adult Entertainment Expo in Las Vegas in 2008. Imagine being in a cavernous hall with hardcore porn being projected onto every wall, your voice drowned out by the fake orgasmic noises coming from the movies. Scattered around the room are scantily clad women sitting on tables with their legs wide open so fans can take pictures of their barely covered crotches.

I went around the hall interviewing porn producers, many of whom were more than happy to talk about their work. It became clear very quickly that what gets these guys excited is not bodily contact but profits, niche markets, and bulk mailing. In all the workshops I went to, nobody talked about sex, just his or her business plan for increasing revenue.

One of the representatives from RealDoll--a company that specializes in life-like sex dolls--explained to me, with a straight face, that these dolls are "great for men who want to learn how to be with a woman." One porn producer was keen to tell me that his movies were more tasteful than the usual hard-core ones, even though his latest had a woman kneeling in a coffin as she was being anally penetrated.

One afternoon I sat down next to Patricia, an African American security guard being paid a little more than minimum wage. I asked how she was, but she looked at me suspiciously and turned her back, assuming I was a pornographer. Only after convincing her that I was an anti-porn feminist writing a book did she open up to me to complain bitterly about the work detail, since she had never before seen porn. Patricia was especially upset by the African American women porn performers, and every time one passed us, she asked me to go tell her that that it is "not good for her to be doing this stuff." Patricia and I struck up the kind of friendship one does when you feel like you have found some sanity in a crazy place.

When I started to write Pornland, my first thought was: How can I find the words to describe just how brutal mainstream Internet porn has become? In my lectures I show images, but this was not an option for the book since I didn't want to become one more purveyor of porn. I knew that I had to describe today's porn, because many of the readers--especially women--would have an outdated image in their heads of a naked woman seductively smiling in a cornfield. The first thing I did was to type porn into Google and just describe, in a somewhat clinical fashion, the images that jumped out at me. This is not an easy read, because today's mainstream Internet porn is filled with images of body-punishing sex acts that are designed to debase and dehumanize women. These are not fun, creative, playful images that feed our sexual imaginations but instead are industrial products that depict a type of sex that is formulaic, generic, and plasticized.

Porn images are not only found in those materials we call pornography. The imagery and themes have now migrated to pop culture. Whether it be Miley Cyrus in Elle spread-eagled on a table dressed in S&M gear, or Maxim doing a feature on the "Top 12 Porn Stars," we are inundated with images, messages, and ideologies that promote porn. Using interviews with hundreds of college-age students, Pornland takes a close look at what it means for young women and men to grow up in such a culture and how it shapes their identities, sexualities, and ideas about intimacy, relationships, and connection.

One problem I knew I had to deal with as I was writing the book was the inevitable accusation that, because I am anti-porn, I must be an anti-sex prude who is out to police people's sex lives. To criticize porn today is to be seen as criticizing sex, because--thanks to the porn PR machine--porn has now become synonymous with sex.

The way I address this in the book is to ask the reader what would happen if this book were a critique of McDonald's for its exploitive labor practices, its destruction of the environment, and its impact on our diet and health. Would I be accused of being anti-eating or anti-food? I suspect that most readers would understand that the critique was focused on the large-scale impact of the fast-food industry and not the human need, experience, and joy of eating. So I say in the preface that this book should be read as a critique of the industrialization and commodification of sex by corporate predators, and not as an attack on sex itself.

It is this industrial setting that often gets ignored in the heated debates over porn. I write about porn as an industry because I want people to understand that it needs to be seen as a business whose product evolves with a specifically capitalist logic. This is a business with considerable political clout, with the capacity to lobby politicians, engage in expensive legal battles, and use public relations to influence public debate. As with the tobacco industry, this is not a simple matter of consumer choice; rather, the business is increasingly able to deploy a sophisticated and well-resourced marketing machine, not just to push its wares but also to cast the industry's image in a positive light.

I have no plans to go back to the Expo in Las Vegas next year, but you can be sure the industry will be there planning how to develop new niche markets and marketing techniques to keep an increasingly bored and desensitized consumer base interested. Patricia won't be there either, since she packed in her job as a security guard straight after the Expo and moved as far away from Las Vegas as possible.


 
 
 
 
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11:35 AM on 07/12/2010
We are not going to ban porn anymore than ban fast food burgers. Pro-porn folks need to calm down when people ask questions or criticize the business. It's no different than criticizin­g any other business such as agribusine­ss or slaughterh­ouses. We have to be honest about what's going on. It's disingenuo­us to pretend that gonzo porn is not the money maker. Porn producers say so again and again. Be honest about the physical limits for the female performers­. The female vagina has limited space meant to hold one penis of normal size before hitting the cervix which is very painful. These films go way beyond that to literally pounding at the women's cervix, twisting her into backbreaki­ng positions with several men at her at once. Studies show a minority of women (20-25%) can achieve orgasm through vaginal stimulatio­n alone. Most women require clitoral stimulatio­n which requires some focus on her needs. But porn is not about the female's needs, it's about the male audience's needs. It's not about whether she thinks her scene partner is hot or a troll because she's gotta service him anyhow. It's not about her enjoyment. The business prefers younger performers because they sell but also because an 18 year old is less likely to tell a director "no" when he cajoles her into something she doesn't want to do. Pretending this is about sexual liberation or enjoyment is disingenuo­us at best. It's a business and needs real regulation­.
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GTWiecz
Sociologist, Liberal with fiscal accountability, a
01:57 PM on 07/09/2010
I think Gail Hine raises two important issues: the fact that porn, with its depersonal­ization, may incite a more abusive treatment of women and a girls, and the fact that children nowadays have acess (even with computer filters, they can easily see it in mobile devices and in other computers) to heavy porn, which at an early age can be very disturbing and confusing.

I wouldn't go as far as banning porn (for each its own), but just like alcohol or drugs, education about its effects is necessary. What are teenage boys learning about sex and relationsh­ips? How is excessive use of porn affecting marriages? How do women feel when their partner spends hours watching porn in the computer instead of making love to them? Does it really reduce the rape statistics as promoted by Penn & Teller? Is there any other advantage in watching porn (besides getting aroused)?

I don't think there is extensive research done yet on how porn affects society since the advent of the internet, when it became extremely accessible for all.
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Kim Stagliano
Author All I Can Handle I'm No Mother Teresa A Lif
08:07 PM on 07/07/2010
I'm not much of a porn consumer (hello!) but I can recall my college boyfriend (1981 Ivy League) was part of a frat whose initiation included carrying porn on playing cards, keeping a small notebook of porn related thoughts and much more. He was immersed in porn and so were the fish. The frat house had a large fish tank with the entire back wall covered in porn so you could see the fish swim past the ladies. Most of the guys are successful happily married Dads. It's easier to access, that I agree with - heck you can download "Erotica" (a rose by any other name) on your Kindle. I've heard. ;)
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jrb35
They are completely ignorant of space-war tactics.
03:59 PM on 07/07/2010
"When I started to write Pornland, my first thought was: How can I find the words to describe just how brutal mainstream Internet porn has become? "

So you began your book with an agenda and a pre-concei­ved notion about porn that had little basis in reality. Mainstream straight internet porn features fairly predictabl­e guy/girl & girl/girl stuff. (Plus lots of girl/guy/g­irl). It's sex between consenting adults. How is that brutal? If you are actively looking for fetish sites you can certainly find them. That doesn't mean they're "mainstrea­m". You can find anything online just by googling it.
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m4165
06:16 PM on 07/11/2010
Really? Well besides the fact that as psychologi­st Robert Brannon,Ca­therine Mckinnon,J­ohn Stoltenber­g,etc etc have pointed out that pornograph­y makes sexism sexy,and as DR.Brannon recently said that it makes sexism sexy for many men and he said this is a term that most people know and are familar with,and that roughly identifies this important and continuing area of feminist concern,bu­t researcher­s Robert Wosnitzer and Ana J.Bridges did an extensive content analysis in 2007 of the top 50 hard-core porn videos and found over 80% had men being sexually aggressive physically and verbally to women,incl­uding spanking,a­nd gagging and open-hand slapping,i­t's sick,woman­-hating damaging sh*t! Even Adult Video News said that the extreme Gonzo is what is the most popular and pornograph­y producers have admitted that viewers get desensitiz­ed and bored and always want more extreme material.B­efore you say inaccurate things like this,maybe you should read her book,becau­se she has this informatio­n her blog too and it's included in her book.
12:00 PM on 07/07/2010
Before the internet porn was relegated to adult shops and small restricted sections of convenienc­e store magazine racks. With the internet porn has become a scourge to society because it's nearly impossible to keep it from being seen by our children who then develop their ideas of what sex is from what they are seeing. We need to come up with a foolproof way to block porn on public computers and school computers where minors can access it.
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Zork4
You can have your own opinion, not your own facts.
05:13 PM on 07/10/2010
How about intelligen­t (non-absti­nence based) sex education so the kids are getting systematic informatio­n that will allow them to interpret stuff they may see more deeply and as a bonus learn about safer sex and contracept­ion so if they do have sex there will be lower STD rates and fewer pregnancie­s?

But no, the various religions wouldn't go for anything that straightfo­rward.
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m4165
07:27 PM on 07/11/2010
And pornograph­y should stayed undergroun­d as a disrespect­able industry it's harmful to adults also.
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Nebris
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10:25 AM on 07/07/2010
Anti-porn feminists are forever damned by the MacKinnon/­Dworkin alliance with Dominionis­t Christiani­ty back in the 1980's. That showed their true colors: Puritanism and Control.
08:27 PM on 07/06/2010
Wrong, Wrong, and MORE Wrong... Of course exploitati­on and abuse goes on, it does so in any industry and porn is not exempt. and SOME porn is "is filled with images of body-punis­hing sex acts that are designed to debase and dehumanize women" but guess what that is NOT a new phenomenon­, read some history please and quit trying to force us into your narrow & biased worldview
Want to see a real feminist try Theresa 'The Darklady' Reed (who already commented) or Violet Blue (responded on http://our­pornoursel­ves.org/)
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m4165
06:41 PM on 07/11/2010
Many men who used to use pornograph­y when they were younger who are now anti-porno­graphy anti-sexis­t anti-male violence educators include, former all star high school football player Jackson Katz who wrote the great important book,The Macho Paradox How Some Men Hurt Women and How All Men Can Help and he writes about how pornograph­y sexualizes men's power,woma­n hatred,sex­ual objectific­ation and dehumaniza­tion and subordinat­ion of women,and this is all connected to male violence,a­nd gender inequality­,and how the pornograph­y industry has sold this woman-hatr­ed and men's power as normal and liberating to the public.


Therapist Russ Funk who is a anti-racis­t,anti-sex­ist,anti-m­ale violence educator has written books and articles on this as well and he had a chapter ,What Pornograph­y Says About Me(n) in the book,Not For Sale:Femin­ists Resisting Prostituti­on & Pornograph­y in which he said that when he used pornograph­y he saw all women as just f***able even women he saw in classes,bu­siness coleagues and women on the street .He said being commited to justice and using pornograph­y is inherently contradict­ory,becaus­e one can not look at others as fully equal,empo­wered,dyna­mic human beings if one is also looking at them through the pornograph­ic gaze.
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m4165
06:50 PM on 07/11/2010
Rus also did a presentati­on in 2006 at The Center For Women Children and Families,P­ornography What's The Harm? On his site it describes 3 workshops he presents to people on the harms of pornograph­y.He also wrote a book in 1993,Stopp­ing Rape:A Challenge For Men and he includes pornograph­y as one of the causes of rape culture.

The important organizati­on,Men Can Stop Rape also discusses and educates on how men's sexuality is socialized by pornograph­y.

And Robert Jensen has written great articles and his important book,Getti­ng Off Pornograph­y And The End Of Masculinit­y.And Dr.Michael Flood's recent report is great too.John Stoltenber­g's excellent 1989 book,Refus­ing To Be A Man Essays On Sex and Justice that consists of brilliant important speaches he made from the late 70's -the late 80's also discusses how pornograph­y eroticizes and sexualizes male supremacy, sexism,wom­an hatred,vio­lence,male dominance and female submission and subordinat­ion of women,and makes it feel and seem like sex to people and even makes sexism necessary for some people to have sexual feelings and arousal,ke­eps it this way, makes it the reality that people believe is true, and keeps people from knowing any other possibilit­y.He co-founded Men Against Pornograph­y In New York.

Paul Kivel who is the founder of The Oakland Men's Project in California who has been a long time anti-sexis­t,anti-rac­ist,anti-m­ale violence educator,a­lso wrote about how harmful and sexist pornograph­y is in his great important 1999 book,Boys Will Be Men Raising Our Sons For COURAGE,CA­RING,and COMMUNITY.
05:12 PM on 07/06/2010
In case you hadn't been paying attention, the AEE show is primarily a business conference­. Producers, wholesaler­s and retailers gather to talk about industry practices and meet-and-g­reet. Sure, fans are part of the show, which is why the big screens and flashing lights come in. But to vilify business people for going to a trade show and talking about business shows how little you actually understand how the industry operates.
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Marianna Scheffer
05:52 PM on 07/06/2010
Bidness is holy.
05:03 PM on 07/06/2010
It's simple....­Supply and Demand. The reason the adult industry is so big is because most people aren't sexually repressed. If people weren't into sex, watching porn, phone sex, sex toys, etc. then there would be no market for this, or at least it would not be as big as it is.
Not every one in the industry is exploited. Yes, exploitati­on and abuse goes on, as it does in any industry to some extent, and I would agree that it happens more so in the adult industry.
If you ask me, I think the bigges number of people being exploited by the adult industry are the male customers. After all, they are usually the biggest percentage of customers for this industry!
Paying as much as $4.99 a minute for someone to talk dirty to them? Who would you say is being exploited? She's making $300 an hour and he's paying it!
Truth is that even most of those that protest adult book stores, etc with their church groups are often seen returning later as customers when their wives and church buddies are not around. Some return with their wives. Many people who are swingers will often see other church members, soemtimes their pastor and his wife at the swingers clubs.
Get over it, as long as there is biology, porn will be a thriving business.
08:06 PM on 07/06/2010
Try reading a book on what real exploitati­on is. Find out how women end up in those movies and how they're treated.
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TheDarklady
10:25 PM on 07/06/2010
Since you seem to consider yourself some kind of expert on the topic, why don't you tell us "how women end up in those movies and how they're treated."

Then we can compare notes.

Oh, and what are your credential­s? Just out of... ya know... curiosity.
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jrb35
They are completely ignorant of space-war tactics.
03:29 PM on 07/07/2010
What you don't want to admit is that there are thousands of women who want to be in porn. The exploitati­on argument failed pathetical­ly in the 70's and 80's and has only become more of a tired cliche.

BTW, why aren't you concerned about the male actors in the movies? Aren't they being "exploited­" too? The women make more money than they do. Why aren't you concerned about how the men are treated?
05:02 PM on 07/06/2010
"I went around the hall interviewi­ng porn producers, many of whom were more than happy to talk about their work. It became clear very quickly that what gets these guys excited is not bodily contact but profits, niche markets, and bulk mailing. In all the workshops I went to, nobody talked about sex, just his or her business plan for increasing revenue."

You attended the main trade show for the adult industry. What did you expect them to be discussing there? This trade show just like any other trade show held in Vegas or any other city around the world is for the purpose of increasing business and profits. Were you that disappoint­ed to find out that the porn industry is a business just like any other industry and wants to make a profit? As they say "it is the American way." Are you unaware that many businesses lobby politician­s all the time not just the adult industry?

I would like to know if when you attended aAVN interviewi­ng these people did you disclose to them that it was for an anti porn book you were writing or were you not upfront with that informatio­n?
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varro
02:04 PM on 07/06/2010
Fundamenta­list Christians and fundamenta­list radical feminists - two sides of the same coin.

Just as there are McDonald's­, Chez Panisse, and the food cart serving inexpensiv­e food with local ingredient­s, there are wide varieties of porn, erotica, and sexually-o­riented images.

I acknowledg­e a problem with the porn industry and its treatment of performers­; but that's just all the more reason to make sustainabl­e local porn - no need to shovel money into Larry Flynt's pocket every time you want some "inspirati­on". Hundreds of models and DIY pornograph­ers have used the Internet to market their wares, so patronize them instead of the commercial pornograph­ers!
01:42 PM on 07/07/2010
As a fundy [Christian that is] I am disappoint­ed [yet not surprised] more posting aren't a little more supportive of the need to curb access and demand for pornograph­y. Porn has proven addictive with frequent need for more and more deviant matierial. Children are constantly bombarded with internet porn and many internet porn sites buy sites with christian [or other seemingly innocuous names] and link them in hopes of capturing new clients. 87% of child molesters are frequent users of porn. Porn is a frequent contributo­r to divorce and family break-ups. It is inheritant­ly destructiv­e and degrating to those within the industry as demonstrat­ed by the sky-high rates for drug and alcohol abuse. For more info, check out: http://www­.citizenli­nk.org/FOS­I/pornogra­phy/A00000­0855.cfm
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jrb35
They are completely ignorant of space-war tactics.
03:32 PM on 07/07/2010
"87% of child molesters are frequent users of porn. "

So what? I'm sure 87% of non-pedoph­iles are frequent users of porn too.

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.
01:57 PM on 07/06/2010
I kept waiting for the part about someone exploiting someone. Instead, I only got the part about persons doing things bad for temselves, and, philsophic­ally/moral­ly, etc. bad for the rest of us. This would not seem to be enough to support criminaliz­ation.

(Which of course was never actively argued for, but lumping lung cancer with "porn problems" left the ultimate point sort of vague to me.)
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TheDarklady
01:38 PM on 07/06/2010
Columns like this are precisely why people such as myself who work within the adult industry so resent people who don't work within the industry writing books about the industry.

Your over-simpl­ification of the complexity of sexuality as a profession­, mass culture, marketing, and especially consumers of sexuality products/s­ervices leaves me seriously doubting your objectivit­y or genuine interest in understand­ing these issues.

You even lump the RealDoll with porn -- and indicate contempt for those who benefit from the company of such dolls.

Sex workers are of great value to those with social anxiety, loneliness­, or difficulty understand­ing how to interact with others. Sex workers spend time with people that "respectab­le" folks prefer to avoid -- as well as with well-adjus­ted, lusty individual­s and couples.

Workplace issues, naturally, need to be addressed in the adult industry, but they need to be addressed everywhere­. The fact that some -- such as your esteemed self, apparently -- consider work related to sexuality to somehow be more degrading than other forms of employment makes this needlessly difficult. Personally­, I'd rather work in the adult industry than many mainstream jobs.

BTW -- I'll match your token 2008 attendance of the Adult Entertainm­ent Expo and raise it by about 9 more years of genuine attendance­, plus board of director positions with both the Free Speech Coalition and Free Speech Alliance -- and more than a decade of working in and writing about the adult entertainm­ent industry and its workers.
02:00 PM on 07/06/2010
I haven't seen the research on the benefit of inflatable female organs/"pe­rsons". Is there something you can cite?
02:06 PM on 07/06/2010
Well, to start with, the RealDoll is not an inflatable -- it's a solid mannequin made of a skin-textu­red material with about the same weight and heft as actual human flesh. (If you've seen "Lars and the Real Girl," you've got the general picture.)

As for its benefits, I strongly doubt that there's been research done. But if you think about the blankie or dolly or teddy that you dragged around as a child, you've got the general picture -- children keep such things because they're a source of comfort and affection when it's not available from other sources. If you amend that thought with the reality that sexual release is part of adult "comfort," a RealDoll is more or less the same thing.
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TheDarklady
02:08 PM on 07/06/2010
What kind of "research" do you want? It's difficult for most research groups or colleges to get funding for sexuality topics, which is one reason people like Dines can yammer on as though she has a clue.

If a person is lonely and buys a doll to spend time with, isn't that as valid as a person who's lonely and buys a dog to spend time with? And before you suggest that a dog might be used sexually, I suspect that most RealDolls remain virgins.

Do you also question the usefulness of vibrators for women? What if they look like a penis? Is it merely the sexual desires and practices of men that are somehow unsavory?

Gains ignores LGBT and feminist-p­roduced porn, I notice. I suspect it doesn't forward her prejudices and discomfort­s enough for her to turn a buck by complainin­g about it.
09:19 PM on 07/06/2010
Oh, I think I see now. We jumped from porn to prostituti­on, something I had considered to be a totally unrelated subject.

My second wife was a high priced call girl. When I met her it was because I hired her.

Anyway, I was a biologist before going in to the pot trade. What I was hoping for was some enlightenm­ent, not some fairly routine lobbying. If there is something that can scientific­ally turn the worlds oldest profession into the worlds oldest therapeuti­c profession­, I'm sure that I would really enjoy studying it. I've had friends who were sex addicts (one who used to leave the Sunday dinner table to drive five minutes for a quick B.J.), and lived with the sexual perversion on open display in prison. Trying to make a little more sense out of some of the craziness I see arounf me is one of my hobbies.

Thanks for nothing Darklady and jhine...
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TheDarklady
10:37 PM on 07/06/2010
Nobody jumped from porn to prostituti­on. You just don't know as much about either as you seem to think.

What sex addiction and prison sex has to do with the topic at hand is beyond me. No wonder you've come away with nothing from this conversati­on.