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Gary Hart

Posted: September 10, 2009 11:00 PM

The short answer to this question is yes and no. Yes, in the sense that terrorism was never a global phenomenon that could be defeated by a "war" as proposed by George W. Bush. No, in the sense that the United States will be attacked again someplace, sometime.

For those who say that the $40 to $50 billion we spend each year on homeland security has achieved its purpose, namely that we have not been attacked again, it is only necessary to remind ourselves that eight years passed between the first and second attacks on the World Trade Center and eight years have passed, today, since 9/11. So, for those of us who, like Richard Clarke, have always had "our hair on fire," another attack by some group, probably related in some way to al Qaeda, is to be expected.

On a scale of 1 to 10, we are not yet at 9, or probably even 7. The greatest danger in terms of potential damage to life and property is still the nuclear threat. But if, as I suspect, the most likely and easiest future attack involves biological agents, our borders are and will remain porous, defenses against viral agents borne by human "bombs" are and will remain inadequate, and post-attack response is insufficient. Response plans, involving quarantine, suppression, mass casualty victim treatment, and other measures can always use improvement.

And, though we happily haven't heard it lately, the false security brought on by the nonsensical maxim "we're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here" is exactly that: false.

By abandoning the "war on terrorism" paradigm, especially as an excuse to invade Iraq, President Obama has done our strategy a favor and has taken us a long way toward the understanding that acts of terrorism will continue in parts of the world, that we must continue to make such acts as difficult as possible here in the United States, that most attacks will still be against other countries, and that quick damage-limitation response at home will still be highly important.

As we remember those who died, unnecessarily, eight years ago, let us also continue to combine vigilance with realistic appreciation for the new age of the 21st century in which we live.

 
 
 

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The short answer to this question is yes and no. Yes, in the sense that terrorism was never a global phenomenon that could be defeated by a "war" as proposed by George W. Bush. No, in the sense that ...
The short answer to this question is yes and no. Yes, in the sense that terrorism was never a global phenomenon that could be defeated by a "war" as proposed by George W. Bush. No, in the sense that ...
 
 
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01:22 PM on 09/13/2009
Terrorism is a problem. But the "War on Terror" is actually a "War for Terror". Check the sworn deposition of Sibel Edmonds, a former FBI translator. Pages 88 to 100 reveal that US officials funded and directed the "mujahideens" (later called al-Qaeda) in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Central Asia using Turkey.
Quote: "Those operations went at least until September 2001, for those operations, they corroborated and worked with certain U.S. persons ... illegally obtaining and selling U.S. military and military technology and that includes weapons and nuclears, and even from foreign policy related secret or high -- top secret information, and not only for Turkey, but passing this information to what they refer to as highest bidders."
http://www.bradblog.com/Docs/SibelEdmondsDeposition_Transcript_080809.pdf

In short, the cold war continued against the countries in Central Asia and al-Qaeda was the proxy army of the West, up until 9/11... When Henry Kissinger said "the only thing more dangerous than being America's enemy is being America's friend" he wasn't kidding.

It's not hard to get rid of terrorism, without compromising freedoms. But apparently the current goal is to create mutant-terrorists, proxy-terrorists, managed terrorism if you will, it's like trying to create mutant-viruses which target certain political views only.

So, the age of terror is NOT over, we are in the age of managed terror. Yeah, also watch the movie "Brazil" (1985)

Videos, more info:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7374
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7387
08:45 PM on 09/13/2009
How we cemented our alliance with Islamic militants following the Soviet Union's 1979 invasion of Afghanistan is likely the Rosetta Stone of most modern terrorism and asymetrical warfare.

In addition to war materiel, what promises were made about the future? That the U.S. would permit these "freedom fighters" to return to their countries of origin (Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc.) and overthrow our corrupt client state regimes there?

One can almost hear our over-zealous spooks: "We’re with you...once this is over and the Russians are gone, Americans will not care about the internal affairs in your countries, so long you keep selling us oil and support a negotiated solution in Palestine that equally respects and preserves the personal security of the Arab and Jewish residents there in a new bi-national state. ..." Etc. (Along those lines.)

Our alliance with the mujaheedeen was successful beyond Carter and Brezinski's wildest dreams. The Soviet Union disintegrated little more than a decade following their ill-fated military defense of the Afghan Communists' coup.

The 9/11 hijackings and preceding terrorist events appear to have been payback for our betrayal of the promises we made to the militant foreign legion elements who forced the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan.

Having helped incite "Russia's Vietnam", we are now (yet again) in one of our own in Afghanistan, fighting on the wrong side of history against our (embittered) erstwhile allies of yesteryear. Why?

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12:05 PM on 09/13/2009
The war on terror will be over when the USA stops meddling in other countries affairs the majority of war's or police actions are started by propping up someone we think should be Governing that country. The problem is our Presidents get involved with there agenda's and don't ever look at the big picture how the out come will turn out. Seems to me there more concerned with the Middle East more then there own country. Money isn't always the answer either sending billions of tax payers dollars to boost foriegn economies when we have homeless hungry people in this country is insane!
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09:38 AM on 09/13/2009
I fear not. It would seem that the nation's malcontents, lead by Beck and Limbaugh, are on the march.
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09:30 AM on 09/13/2009
No. The age of terror is not over. America will continue to terrorize weaker nations.
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09:26 AM on 09/13/2009
What else can they sell Americans ?

TV's -- got to many --- Homes -- we use to -- Guns -- yeah fear is selling a lot of them

Ammo for the guns --- expensive because it is being shipped overseas TO BOTH SIDES !
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08:11 PM on 09/12/2009
Get us out, now. What happened to all those opposed to the wars when Obama arrived? The media will not cover Cindy. Did you lose your principles of opposition simply due to the change of President. Were you really against the war or just against Bush? Those who are really against the wars, are against the wars under Bush and under Obama. No more excuses, no more blame, get us out.
07:52 PM on 09/12/2009
"our borders are and will remain porous"

For what? Why, when 97% of our population never cross them, must our borders be so easily crossed? Why is it easier to cross our borders than it is to board a domestic flight? Why must our country be so accessible to the world? Why wouldn't our troops be on our own borders? Why do we allow millions of illegal aliens roaming freely among our population? These are not rhetorical questions and the answers are not abstract. But don't take my word for it, think for yourself.

For context, just try to imagine any other situation where it is easier to get into a place than it is to function once you are inside. With the exception of jail or prison, it's not very easy to think of one. And for what?

The clear answer is financial gain from human exploitation. Whether we are importing products manufactured under conditions that would be illegal in this country (26% of all shipping containers originate from China), issuing visas for workers that undercut our wages, or allowing businesses to freely employ illegal aliens, we are endangering our citizens for corporate profits.

And there are many flavors of danger. As we see more clearly every day, this unreasonable access to our country has cost us our industrial base and is destroying our character as a nation - taking down millions of American families in the process.
08:03 PM on 09/12/2009
(continued from above post)

I submit that terrorism is not the biggest danger to our country. The biggest danger to our country is that it has become a consumer prison where our citizens are manipulated by global financial interests, and denigrated for dedicating their lives to useful and meaningful work.

In my opinion, the changes that have occurred in the name of 9/11 are illogical and have little to do with our safety.
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11:58 PM on 09/12/2009
Because your land borders are more than 12,000 miles long. If you walked that distance in a straight line, you'd be at the opposite ends of the earth. That's an expensive length to fence, let alone to guard or patrol. In any case, any fence that presents a significant barrier to people will also devastate migratory animals, perhaps even tot he point of extinction.

The possible benefits to be gained creating a non-porous border will be swamped by these costs.
11:45 AM on 09/13/2009
Umm, no. Simply looking at the map shows that America is easy and cheep to secure. Oceans on both sides - easy to guard. Canada border doesn't need much attention, on top of that during the cold months you can just leave it alone. What remains is Mexico - a piece of cake for the technology-armed security forces. Other countries have much longer land borders and they secure them quite well with much less funding and technology. The borders aren't secured on purpose - bringing in near-slaves helps to suppress unions, and just about everyone who would ask the oligarchs for a fair share.
12:39 PM on 09/13/2009
Simon... Not sure about the exact numbers as the fluctuate, but as best I can tell there are 55,000 troops and 68,000 contractors in Afghanistan, another 130,000 troops and 180,000 contractors in Iraq, and 18,000 Border Patrol agents. That's a total of 451,197.

We're already paying for all of that.

So, if those numbers are correct (and please let us know if you find otherwise) and if a mile still contains 5,820 feet, then over a 12,000 mile border (your figure), 451,197 people would come out to one person every 140 feet.

Of course, as Arktig already mentioned, a lot of your 12,000 miles are ocean borders, and as you can see, I didn't even mention of the 331,682 on active duty Navy personnel, the 6,455 in the Navy Reserve, the 94,454 people in the Army National Guard and Army Reserve, the 7,286 people in the Marine Corps Reserve, or the 14,981 people in the Air National Guard and Air Force Reserve.
10:40 AM on 09/12/2009
We will soon have more home grown American terror than we can handle, thanks to the Republican Party,& FOX News. They will continue to incite the weak-minded angry racist base until something big happens. Then of course they will deny it --with all the sincerity of Sarah Palin's wink
06:44 PM on 09/12/2009
Right on Cyrus!

Terrorism is alive and strong in the US: The fundamentalist jihad against doctors performing abortions and murder of the guard at the Washington holocaust museum come from the same mindset as those flying the planes into the WTC and Pentagon. We may not have moslem jihadists here since our mosques have not traditionally been seen as that "other." We'll see if that changes. But we do seem to have enough of our own.
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07:08 AM on 09/12/2009
There is only one solution to the problem of so called terrorism and that is to address the grievences
of those so outraged that they would use such means, means which reveal their own total sense of hopelessness.

Using the primitive response of slaughtering those who are so outraged only serves to creat more outraged people.
03:44 PM on 09/12/2009
Bingo! It won't stop all violence, but it will stop most violence.
03:15 AM on 09/12/2009
Always a pleasure to read your posts, Mr. Hart, and I'm glad to have a chance to reply here.

I absolutely agree with you that the Obama administration dispensing with the phrase, and notion, of a "war on terrorism" is a very good thing. I thought the phrase typically used was "the war on terror," but we won't be hearing either anymore.

I believe it's quite likely we'll be attacked again, but the method I think would be most effective against terrorists is a sensible and dexterous foreign policy, including copious doses of adroit statesmanship of the kind Mr. Obama is famous for. We need to engage the world with nobility and a firmness of purpose. We need to be fully grounded in the principles of our Constitution, consistent with it across the board. We need to make it clear to the world that we are the United States of America, founded in 1776 and wholly respectful of the rule of law and civil liberty.

We need to be who we are, do what we say, and uphold our principles, and we need to make it clear to the world that we're back in our right minds after nearly a decade of insanity. In addition to our public strategies against terrorist attacks, I think this would go a long way towards pushing back against terrorist strategies.
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03:54 AM on 09/12/2009
Yes, the phrase "War on Terror" is what's been used, which I've never understood as terror isn't very common. I've hoped for a "War on Anger" which is a much more common and destructive emotion.
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06:37 AM on 09/12/2009
All war is an abomination, but the notion of a "war" on anything that can't be killed with a bullet is nonsensical. (See "war on drugs," etc.)
11:31 PM on 09/11/2009
Terrorism is a tactic not an ideology, so until warfare is over, terrorism is going to continue. That's the folly of Bush's war. You can't win a war by fighting a tactic that's used by weaker combatants to fight stronger opponants.
11:54 PM on 09/11/2009
I think that's exactly why the globalists invented the War on Terror as the replacement for the Cold War- because it's impossible for the West to declare victory. No one can ever say that 'the threat of terror' is over. This makes a war against terror an impossibility, but that's not going to stop them from fighting that war for as long the economy can fund it.

An open-ended war like the War on Terror is a brilliant population management tool, even better than the rotating enemies of Orwell's Oceania. 'Terrorists' can be inside the country, they can be outside the country, they're like ghosts and the wind and Martian invaders all rolled into one.
12:36 AM on 09/12/2009
I wish they would get tired of their thirst for blood. I'm going to get high blood pressure with all the protesting we have to do against them. As long as there's "Other", they'll have an enemy.
11:02 PM on 09/11/2009
I don't understand how Obama can be credited with abandoning the 'war on terrorism' paradigm- yesterday, he renewed the State of Emergency declared by Bush. ( For the record, emergency powers have been in effect in the US since FDR in 1933 ).

THE WHITE HOUSE

Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release September 10, 2009

NOTICE
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CONTINUATION OF THE NATIONAL EMERGENCY WITH RESPECT

TO CERTAIN TERRORIST ATTACKS

Consistent with section 202(d) of the National Emergencies Act, 50 U.S.C. 1622(d), I am continuing for 1 year the national emergency declared on September 14, 2001, in Proclamation 7463, with respect to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, and the continuing and immediate threat of further attacks on the United States.

Because the terrorist threat continues, the national emergency declared on September 14, 2001, and the powers and authorities adopted to deal with that emergency, must continue in effect beyond September 14, 2009. Therefore, I am continuing in effect for an additional year the national emergency the former President declared on September 14, 2001, with respect to the terrorist threat.

This notice shall be published in the Federal Register and transmitted to the Congress.

BARACK OBAMA

THE WHITE HOUSE,
September 10, 2009.
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09:20 PM on 09/11/2009
It seems that throughout the history of we humans that one faction or another has felt the need to forceably push their ideology and governance on the world. Usually this takes place when one personality can grab enough military strength to get rowdy and pushy. The normal, peaceful portion of our numbers then have to fight back and put these tyr@ants down. In the past, it has not always been a uniformed army and many times the fighters on the battle field had a really hard time telling who was foe or friend. We are now fighting a hard to identify enemy as it is only ideology which sets them apart from the ally. We risk making enemies out of our allies if we aren't cautious.

More than the foreign enemies, I have a great deal of concern about our domestic problem of people within our communities and certain media who are fomenting some pretty hosti1e actions against the peace and civility of this nation.
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08:32 PM on 09/11/2009
Somebody's probably already said this... But...

Nope. The republicans are somehow still running things.
09:34 AM on 09/12/2009
If only they were, but they are getting closer!
07:57 PM on 09/11/2009
So, it took 8 years of lies, fear manipulation and lies to get more than half of the US population completely paranoid, Xenophobic and above all Islamophobic. How much longer will it take the deprogram the drones and reprogram them with the new cause dujour, whatever that may be?