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Seal Six

Posted: 05/ 9/11 11:13 AM ET

In the arena of global conflict, there is good news and bad news. The good news is reflected in the sensational success of the Seals in Pakistan. The bad news is that there will be a lot more actions like this, and they will not always be so successful.

Warfare is changing. The nature of conflict is reverting to pre-nation-state status. That is, the "warriors" more resemble criminals; the enemy doesn't wear uniforms. There are no final peace treaty ceremonies and victory celebrations. We made a huge mistake declaring "war on terrorism" because little of our Cold War forces can be used. We are not fighting regular military forces, and there will be no final "victory," at least until the bin Ladens of the world disappear. But don't hold your breath for that.

The one product of advanced warfare that was important in Abbottabad was technology: stealth helicopters, satellite surveillance, night-vision goggles, etc. But it all got down to kicking down doors and shooting people. More police work than regular warfare.

All this means is that we have to restructure our forces into smaller, faster, quicker units, such as the Special Forces, equip them with advanced, practical technologies, and find the bad guys. The bad guys are not warriors. They are criminals. They have to be dealt with as such. They should not be glorified as warriors. That's what they want the world to think of them. They are not. They are cowards who kill innocent people. They have to be hunted like criminals and eliminated. They should have no sanctuary in any nation that calls itself our friend and that received money from American taxpayers.

If we have learned anything in the two long wars in Afghanistan and Iraq it is that our overwhelming Cold War military superiority does not guarantee "victory" or success in any traditional sense. Our leaders claim we intend to establish stable democratic governments friendly to the U.S. in tribal, sectarian nations that have had internal conflicts for centuries. Good luck with that. Afghanistan will finally be "free" when Afghan men care enough about their wives and daughters to protect them from barbarian mullahs. But not before then.

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In the arena of global conflict, there is good news and bad news. The good news is reflected in the sensational success of the Seals in Pakistan. The bad news is that there will be a lot more action...
In the arena of global conflict, there is good news and bad news. The good news is reflected in the sensational success of the Seals in Pakistan. The bad news is that there will be a lot more action...
 
 
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Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
08:03 PM on 05/10/2011
I agree, treat them as criminals. Even tyrants can be treated as criminals.

This require we try them in an international court in absentia, but with any representation they choose to provide. Once convicted, a contract for them can be issued.
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Gunfighter
Husband, father, follower of Christ, lawman.
07:15 AM on 05/10/2011
Bravo, sir! Bravo.
04:17 AM on 05/10/2011
One thing that warfare doesn't change is war profiteering is rampant and it sucks our government to the brink of bankruptcy.

Make that two things it doesn't change...
03:05 AM on 05/10/2011
A more worrying issue about this type of operation that violates a country's sovereignity, is the precedent it sets.

What if a Chechen leader is in hiding somewhere near Washington, say Virginia, and the Russians launch a Spetsnaz operation to kill him, how would we feel about it?

Even worse is if India now thinks that it has the moral right for its SF to go into Pakistan and take out the leaders responsible for the Mumbai attacks. The Pakistani response might be disastrous.
05:25 AM on 05/10/2011
What if a country hides a guy who is guilty of masterminding the torture and slaughter of thousands of innocent civilians inside another sovereign nation ? Pakistan s an enemy country and we should turn our backs on her- no diplomats, trade or aid. And even more than than, we should support and arm her enemies and get those proxy wars fired up because push is going to come to shove one day.
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oldman66able
10:43 PM on 05/09/2011
Is there any chance that Russia will remember how the CIA and the WHIte house used the Taliban to defeat them in Afghanistan? Chinese reporter said that the Government of China feels the US is planning to take control of the middle east. Russia and China are allies of Iran. Is Obama treading on dangerous ground?
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Gunfighter
Husband, father, follower of Christ, lawman.
07:17 AM on 05/10/2011
1) No. 2)No.
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oldman66able
10:28 PM on 05/09/2011
I found a report last week by General David H. Petreus Commander of US Centeral Command stating that the US has discovered a vast resource of iron ore,copper,colbat,gold and possibly the largest deposit of lithium in the world. These untapped esources is valved at alomost one trillion dollars. A Pentagon Task Force is helping the Afghans to deal with developement. This was discovered when Osama and his Taliban drove Russia out of Afghanistan. The Russians leftmaps behind of the are and ther findings. If this is true then it was as Osama claimed . His claim was the US was trying to steal the resources of Afghanistan. Remember the CIA equipped, armed and trained the Taliban to fight Russia.
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Gunfighter
Husband, father, follower of Christ, lawman.
07:19 AM on 05/10/2011
The Soviets were not "beaten" in Afghanistan. They left because they couldn't afford to stay any longer. The United States will not be "beaten" in Afghanistan, but we will leave eventually, because WE can't afford to stay.
10:15 PM on 05/09/2011
I agree with most of the article and damned little of the commentary, most of which has no nexus to the article. The problem with trying to 'restructure' the military into many SPECWAR units is the paucity of servicemen who have what it takes to be in the Special Forces. Not that the majority of our Armed Forces personnel aren't excellent warriors, SOF training has always had a 70-90% wash-out rate. If that isn't bad enough, an equally large % of those who make it through the torture of becoming SEALs, SF, etc and wish to become part of the elite of the elite: Delta/DEVGRU, don't make the cut. The selection/training is grueling beyond the average person's wildest imagination. We will, in the forseable future, continue to need a broad range of military skills at our disposal, including armor units, Rangers, Mountain warfare specialists, and so on but, thankfully, at the very pointy end of the spear, we have men like DEVGRU and Delta.
12:58 AM on 05/10/2011
i'm certain the 'washouts' will get plenty of work rounding up the infidels like myself.
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07:51 PM on 05/09/2011
Sen. Hart is correct that it was a mistake to say we were conducting a "Global War on Terror" and to treat OBL and other members of Al Qaeda as enemies, rather than as criminals. However, if we are to treat the members of Al Qaeda as the criminals they are, then we have to make good faith efforts to arrest them and bring them to trial, rather than summarily kill them. Even in countries not known for civil rights, such as China, criminals are arrested, tried and found guilty before they are executed.

Either we believe in the rule of law or we don't. If we say we believe in the rule of law, then we have to follow the law. That means arresting criminals whenever it is possible to do so without unduly jeopardizing the safety of those enforcing the law. However, the fact that arrest rather than summary execution should be the goal doesn't mean that we necessarily should criticize the actions of the Seals resulting in the death of OBL. Even though OBL was unarmed, shooting him may have been justified based on the circumstances.
hopeisalive
Old enough to know better, but young enough to try
07:42 PM on 05/09/2011
As much as I would hope that there will be an end to "Terrorism" I realize that that idea is a pipe dream. There will always be those who hate others and other countries and will plan to do harm to them. Your words ring true with regard to how we are to deal with this new kind of "war" and I, like you, see it as both good news and bad. God Bless these men and God Bless America.
07:00 PM on 05/09/2011
Yes, give them the disdain that criminals deserve. And more. No, they don't deserve the same rights to due process that US citizens accused of crimes deserve.
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KJ Spion
Afghanistan '02; Iraq '06, '07, '09
06:13 PM on 05/09/2011
I don't think the basic nature of warfare has changed that dramatically over the ages. There is still a gradual continuum between peace and war. There are a lot of actions and maneuvering that occur between times of peace and the waging of "total war". In the kill/capture operation on bin Laden we got a glimpse of one variation. In fact the SEAL Team 6 raid kind of reminds of the Pancho Villa Expedition in 1916. In June of that year a young Lieutenant George S. Patton led a raid over the border into Mexico and personally killed one of Pancho Villa's top aides. I would argue that this kind of audicity is exactly the American way of war.
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RRK70
09:49 PM on 05/09/2011
You raise some valid points, however the US never captured or killed Pancho Villa, he fell due to political infighting in Mexico.  Another example might be US actions in the Philippines during and after the Spanish American War.  Truth be told the US has found itself in all sorts of wars, conventional and unconventional and has had mixed results with both.  

I do agree that paramilitary operations such as what we just saw make more sense than the conventional military strategy of trying to kill a fly with a sledgehammer.  We also need to figure out who exactly we're fighting.  Has anyone noticed that even top Pentagon and political speeches seem to alternate between referring  to the enemy as the Taliban or al Queda depending on the context?
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KJ Spion
Afghanistan '02; Iraq '06, '07, '09
10:05 PM on 05/09/2011
At the tactical level we usually know who we're fighting. When I was in Kabul in 2002 we were fighting Taliban holdouts and Gulbodin Hekmatyar's quasi-Taliban. In Orgun and Gardez we were fighting a few Taliban and many al Qaeda (including foreign fighters). Sometimes they worked together. Not always.

In Mosul, Iraq in 2008 we were fighting al Qaeda and various criminal elements that were sympathetic to them. When I was in Southern Iraq last year we were fighting Shiia extremists who were largely Iranian surrogates. They didn't get along with al Qaeda, but they were very well trained and equipped by Iran.

I would say that the troops and the tactical leadership and Intel folks know their enemy. It's the politicians who mix the organizations. Sometimes it is intentional but often it is just ignorance and not caring. They think (correctly) that most of the public doesn't care what the name is, much less nuances of the groups ideology.
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oldman66able
11:12 PM on 05/09/2011
Yep!
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Rosalee Harris
06:07 PM on 05/09/2011
I dont know why some act like this is different for America that we were never like this. During the cold the war the only difference is that we gave money weaponery and materiel to brutal dictators in order to get them to defeat the red scourge of communism. Well the war was won against Communism the problem is now there is a lot of these dictators that we helped are in power and their opposition hates us because we were instrumental in bringing them to power. Republicans talk about Obama taking credit for things that were put in place during the Bush administration well republicans need to own the mess that they help create under Reagan particularly. Some need to stop this idea that America was this innocent soul that was corrupted with 911. WRONG we were never innocent we were the creator and instigator of some of these problems and now we must solve them and a lot of our solutions are ugly but please dont pretend that we lost our soul or our way AFTER 911 oh we lost it way before then. Now we must use methods that you may not like to clean this mess up but thats the REALITY we live in.
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zmanusmc
Against all enemies, foreign and domestic
06:05 PM on 05/09/2011
Can someone tell me why we got into Libya - another war in the Middle East - what our stated objective in that war and what is the end game? When are we going to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan?
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KJ Spion
Afghanistan '02; Iraq '06, '07, '09
06:23 PM on 05/09/2011
Judging by what comes out of the leadership it's hard to tell exactly why we got involved in that one at that time. Allegedly it was to protect a freedom-seeking population from a vicious and corrupt government bent on their destruction. It seems to have had limited, but well defined goals. We thought (or hoped) to be part of a coalition that we could "lead from behind". (Whatever that means.)

If we were going to pick a group of oppressed people worthy of our protection and support, I can think of several better ones. (Karen people of Burma, the Iranian pro-democracy demonstrators, anti-government movement in Syria, etc.)

Not sure what the end game or exit strategy is in Libya. On the one hand we don't have too many forces committed to that conflict, but on the other hand the result of failure could be ugly. (Remember the Lockerbie bombing as payback for our bombing of his compound and killing of his family members???) I do believe we just killed another family member. We better finish it and actually win this time.
07:44 PM on 05/09/2011
Easy uncomplicated targets
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LoneTree
Just another 2nd Amendment liberal.
06:47 PM on 05/09/2011
We got involved in Libya because Britain and France asked us to. And despite our size and power and wealth and alleged independence, when Daddy Britain and Mommy France call, little Baby America answers. It's simply a continuation of our support for Britain in Iran (BP/Mossadegh) and for France in Indochina (Michelin/HoChiMinh).
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TAIsabel
Suffer no fools.
07:38 PM on 05/09/2011
We are not innocent in this power play. The West has been messing with the Islamic world since Pope Urban and the Crusades in 1099 AD. It is indeed true that we are still following in the British Empire's folly.

The US has equal part culpability.
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TAIsabel
Suffer no fools.
04:57 PM on 05/09/2011
Thank you but, many of us here have been saying this for the last ten years. We always knew it was the wrong force for the wrong war. Or, better yet, it was akin to using a machete to perform brain surgery.

However, there is social component to our present armed forces that is not debated. It is the fact that our "fully volunteer/mercenary" armed forces are a deposit for all of those young people that are part of the ever growing force of higher uneducated youth. The armed forces (I am not referring to the special ops) have become the sponge that cleans up our excess unemployed and uneducated.

Not all of these young people will be able to become specialized Seal Six. This is the conundrum, what to do with the growing ranks of those for who the armed forces is the only way to have a job and an education. My loved one is in a branch of the armed forces and he tells me that they have so many people signing up that they are letting the ones already within cut their commitments short to allow for others to come in.
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Deathly Pallor
Shame on us. Doomed from the start...
03:47 PM on 05/09/2011
Justice is dead. Long live the Era of Vengeance.

I have no faith left at all in the collective potential of this nation, or of the species as a whole.
12:59 AM on 05/10/2011
but what about The Force?

Luke? Obi-won?