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Libya, Afghanistan and the Middle East -- Why Obama and Romney are Both Wrong

Posted: 09/14/2012 7:44 pm

Foreign policy is supposed to make us safer, not get Americans killed and bankrupt us. Yet, even as we mourn the loss of four Americans in Libya and watch the Middle East ignite with anti-American fervor, our leaders don't get it.

In one corner, we have the U.S. apologists warning that -- after the murders in Libya and the attack on our embassy in Cairo -- we must be careful not to say or do anything that might hurt someone's feelings. In the other corner, we have the chest-thumpers demanding that we find somebody to shoot -- and shoot them.

I have a better idea: Stop trying to manipulate and manage history on the other side of the globe and then being shocked when things don't turn out the way we wanted. As far as what we do right now in response to the tragic events of this week, it's actually pretty simple. Get our folks out of places they don't need to be -- and out of harm's way -- and cut off every dime of U.S. tax dollars we are sending to clearly ungrateful regimes.

Let's review American foreign policy during the Bush-Obama years. Just imagine for a minute that, in 2002, President Bush granted Iran's Ayatollah one wish above all others. It is not unreasonable to assume that the Supreme Leader would have said, "Can you please kill Saddam Hussein and make sure our mortal enemy Iraq can no longer threaten us. Then, we can get about our goals of destroying Israel, building a nuke and becoming a legitimate thorn in the side of the Western infidels."

Well...

And then there are Afghanistan and Pakistan. After 9/11, going after Bin Laden and al Qaeda was exactly the right thing to do. We were attacked and we attacked back. We must defend ourselves, and we absolutely must have a strong defense. But within a few months, our troops had scattered al Qaeda like ants from a kicked anthill, and Bin Laden had set up housekeeping in Pakistan. Al Qaeda left, but we stayed -- and kept fighting a war that was, in terms of our immediate interests, over. And we're still fighting it today, ignoring the lessons learned at great cost by the Soviet Union and the British Empire.

While we're fighting a war we don't need to fight in Afghanistan, we're pumping billions of dollars into the coffers of our new best friend Pakistan -- making them the second largest recipient of our borrowed and printed dollars on the globe. When we finally found and killed Bin Laden, was anyone surprised that we found him -- you got it -- in Pakistan? And our new best U.S.-financed friends are treating the good Pakistanis who helped us find him like criminals.

Fast forward to Libya. Make no mistake, Muammar Gaddafi was a despicable human being and no reasonable person mourns his demise. But toppling dictators we don't like has not worked out very well for us. We launched hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of missiles to kill the guy, and what do we get? A Libya that cannot even keep its benefactors safe -- and may not even be trying very hard. Somebody needs to ask, and I will be that somebody: As despicable as he was, would our ambassador and three other dedicated public servants have been killed in a Gaddafi-controlled Libya? Are we safer today after launching all those missiles and killing Gaddafi? Clearly not.

In Egypt and the other blossoms of the Arab Spring, is America any safer or our interests any better served as the result of the billions of dollars we are giving away? Again, clearly not.

Oh, and there is one other matter. We're broke. We are borrowing or printing 43 cents of every one of the more than $4 billion a year we are sending to Pakistan, Libya and Egypt. And all those missiles we launched, and the war in Afghanistan are likewise being put on the national credit card. Why are we building roads, bridges, hospitals and schools half a world away on borrowed money? Don't we have those same needs here at home?

It's time to tell and face the truth: The Bush-Obama-and-now-Romney interventionist approach to foreign policy is getting Americans killed and contributing to the bankruptcy of our nation without clear sight of our national interests. By what measure is that good policy?

 
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04:28 PM on 10/25/2012
http://www.GaryJohnson2012.com and Nike CEO says he will bring factories back to U.S. if Gary Johnson is President but not if romney or obama are elected....watch the videos and lets get the word out to what is really happening in government....
04:25 PM on 10/01/2012
Why don't ANY of the politicians name the real reason that the U.S. government bombs and otherwise menaces oil countries? It's because the U.S. is terrified that these countries will switch to euros or gold as payment and stop accepting U.S. dollars. The rest is a pack of lies. There is no Iranian "nuclear threat" any more than there were "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq or "freedom fighters" in Libya. Just say "no" to the puppets Obama and Romney in 2012. Take a stand and vote for a good 3rd party candidate.
reciprocat
On November 6, 2012...God blessed America
05:54 AM on 09/25/2012
"We are borrowing or printing 43 cents of every one of the more than $4 billion a year we are sending to Pakistan, Libya and Egypt...."

Hey Gary. Didn't you forget a certain middle-east country that we are sending billions of OUR dollars to also? A certain country? A certain six sided star country? Did you forget that one? Skip your mind...? ...that little detail?

Want some more votes? You better start remembering... It's very important. Ron Paul (and even Rand) get my respect (and someday my vote and activism) for saying it outright.

Show some guts or improve your memory. never forget to include. if you think you can get by half-assed, it won't work. We look to third parties FOR their courageous stands. We can get luke warm politics from ANY main-stream politician.
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We all need to change, the government will follow.
07:49 PM on 09/23/2012
Gary Johnson is right on with this, we do too much in general. We are 5% of the globe, lets remember that.
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onenvrnos
Hope for a better world.
10:33 AM on 09/22/2012
I am from New Mexico and have watched former Gov. Johnson work through a staunchly Democratic house and senate with corruption at its base. He had an "all-out fight" with the legislators (750 some vetoes). Yet, he enabled Indian tribes to have gambling, and the tribes pay the state a certain percentage of their profits. The tribes have done very well financially with the advent of gambling, and the state has benefited as well. He converted Highway 550 from a single-lane highway to a four-lane highway--a road that is heavily used and which was the scene of numerous head-on collisions until the conversion.

I do not want him for president at this time, because I still do not believe in some of his policies on a national scale. However, I REALLY want him included in all presidential debates. He is absolutely right: we need to have a national conversation regarding what is and is not talked about in these debates. If I hear one more thing about the stupid surface questions asked of the presidential candidates, I'm going to puke. Let's ask the hard questions. Let's have the discussion. Let's lay it all out on the table. THAT'S what Americans want, no matter who is president.

P.S. I'm still voting for Obama.
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We all need to change, the government will follow.
07:48 PM on 09/23/2012
I couldn't agree with you more. He's got my vote though.
08:59 AM on 09/22/2012
As long as the USA positions itself as the protector of the Israeli interests, the interventionism and hypocrisy of America's foreign affairs will remain.
06:14 AM on 09/21/2012
Though it is very unlikely that a third candidate would become compelling enough to stand up on its own against two powerful parties --it is still important that someone at least tries to shuffle the deck up a little. I really wish that Gary Johnson would be a topic in the elections.
04:48 PM on 09/19/2012
I'm voting Gary for PoTUS!
12:53 PM on 09/19/2012
wow! a politician with common sense. Right on Gary!!
11:41 AM on 09/19/2012
I'm Libertarian with regard to domestic policy and will vote for Romney/Ryan. Libertarians who vote otherwise may as well join "Libertarians For Obama". The two party system is corrupt, but the only chance for future change towards Libertarian ideals rests with buying time with the Republican Capitalist rather than the Democratic Fabian Socialist. Ascendant radical Islam must be recognized for the political movement which it is. It does not matter whether we are involved in directly trying to influence the course of events with regard to them or not. Their goal is future domination of the West and not co-existence. If we totally withdraw from that area we’d better have a super strong defense for the future conflict that will be brought to us with even greater loss of life.
02:12 PM on 09/19/2012
You, sir, are clearly no Libertarian. There is no desire to dominate the West. The desire is to be their own country without the interference of the West. Mr. Johnson's plan is the right one.
01:07 AM on 09/20/2012
You are wasting your vote. A vote for Romney is a vote for Obama, for they are the same. They both agree on all the major issues. Neither have the conviction to reduce spending, to cute entitlements, to end the wars, to end illegal surveillance of Americans, and to safeguard our Constitutionally guaranteed rights and those not enumerated in the Constitution.

If everyone "wasted" their vote on Gary Johnson, he will be President. Come, waste your vote with me! Vote based on principle! No more Big Party corruption!
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firewired
Compared to what?
10:28 AM on 09/19/2012
Let's make Romney the "third party candidate!" Gov. Johnson could easily pick up the votes that the tainted R. candidate is dropping, and easily get votes from the disenchanted from both sides. If Johnson gets more votes than the Mitt, then he gets the electoral votes that go with it.

Why not? Now has never been a better time! As Gov. Johnson aptly points out, "We are ALL 'Libertarians!'" Johnson has more in common with the average voter than either of the other two!

www.GaryJohnson2012.com/front
01:47 PM on 09/21/2012
I am voting for Gary Johnson. But my fear is due to the regulations set up by the electoral college it will not make a difference. There are only 24 states out of 52 that can vote freely. The other 28 have rule bout having to vote for the party that put you in that seat. The person does not vote for that party their vote is disqualified and they can face fine as well. So with that said the chances of anyone except for a Dem or Rep to get in office is almost slim to none. This is a travesty as we need to overhaul the electoral college rules to ACTUALLY reflect the votes of the American people. Although I wish the best to Mr. Johnson. I also wish he and Ron Paul would team up as well :-)
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firewired
Compared to what?
02:38 PM on 09/21/2012
All very true.  UNLESS....the R's get viewed as the "third party" that cannot win.
10:09 AM on 10/09/2012
Why Gary Johnson isn't in the candidate debate?. I believe American have the right to know about him, and his proposal for President.
07:41 AM on 09/19/2012
You've got my vote, Gary Johnson.
10:08 PM on 11/02/2012
wake up, your GJ vote is a waste and is a vote for the incumbent. The role of third (libertarian) party is to influence the Right side.
06:45 AM on 09/19/2012
Bada Boom! Tell it like it is Gary!
12:00 AM on 09/18/2012
This is the guy I'm voting for President. Finally, some common sense!!
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Ronald Reagan supported gun control
06:14 PM on 09/17/2012
Boy! Are you GJ followers naive or what! You want chaos and 10 bucks per gal gas? Just cut ourselves off from the ME and see what happens. Your simple-minded approach is dangerous. Our FP is not perfect, but to ignore the ME is stupid.
12:35 AM on 09/18/2012
Nobody is saying to 'cut ourselves off from the ME'. In fact, we want to trade - not wage war - with the ME. In fact, waging war, last time I checked, tended to destabilize the ME, thereby keeping oil prices artificially high. Our FP is not perfect...It's pretty stupid though.
You say the POTENTIAL for $10/gas is your driving concern, right? OK.

Right now we've spent over a Trillion on a foreign war that didn't need to be fought. That's about $2,900 out of YOUR pocket. Our FP has killed over 8,000 of our brave troops - for a war that ultimately went on WAAAY too long (4,800 died in Iraq - which didn't need to happen at all). We've killed well over 100,000 civilians, creating a new army of pissed off surviving family members of those (many 'innocent/collateral damage') killed by our bombs, attacks and drones. Our drones have killed over 165 children in Pakistan. Think THAT'S not going to create a new group of terrorists who hate the West?

So, we're spending trillions of printed dollars, backed by debt, toppling over regimes that allow those who would do us harm to gain power, we send our own brave service members into harms way - killing over 8,000 - and maiming thousands more.

Yet... withdrawing our military / monetary support from the ME - while TRADING with them, buying their oil and selling them stuff... and letting THEM sort their crap out - that's naive? That's stupid?
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01:12 PM on 09/19/2012
What are we supposed to trade with them? We have absolutely nothing they need. We would destroy our own environment in order to try to support the oil needed for this country and in the process ruin any natural resource we would have to build anything. Typical Americans - "we can do it alone!!!" Give me a break.

We are way passed any notion of being able to stand alone in the world. We are not even remotely self sufficient and you all must understand we live in a GLOBAL economy. Withdrawing from the Middle East is an insane & dangerous idea.
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07:48 PM on 09/18/2012
Do you really think that any country in the ME will stop producing and selling oil? The governments of every one of the petroleum producing in the ME depends on those revenue to maintain their power. Even if they sold it to some other country, oil would still flow to the US.

If you're worried about $10 gas, you should be worried about the Iranian sanctions that affect the citizens in Iran (not their leaders who get what they want).

Your simple minded assumption that ME countries will stop selling oil is what's dangerous - leading to more government warfare, and more debt which is the greatest threat to our security.