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George Lakoff

George Lakoff

Posted: July 8, 2010 07:13 AM

Disaster Messaging

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Democrats are constantly resorting to disaster messaging. Here's a description the typical situation.

  • The Republicans outmessage the Democrats. The Democrats, having no effective response, face disaster: They lose politically, either in electoral support or failure on crucial legislation.
  • The Democrats then take polls and do focus groups. The pollsters discover that extremist Republicans control the most common ("mainstream") way of thinking and talking about the given issue.
  • The pollsters recommend that Democrats move to the right: adopt conservative Republican language and a less extreme version of conservative policy, along with weakened versions of some Democratic ideas.
  • The Democrats believe that, if they follow this advice, they can gain enough independent and Republican support to pass legislation that, at least, will be some improvement on the extreme Republican position.
  • Otherwise, the pollsters warn, Democrats will lose popular support -- and elections -- to the Republicans, because "mainstream" thought and language resides with the Republicans.
  • Believing the pollsters, the Democrats change their policy and their messaging, and move to the right.
  • The Republicans demand even more and refuse to support the Democrats.

We have seen this on issues like health care, immigration, global warming, finance reform, and so on. We are seeing it again on the Death Gusher in the Gulf. It happens even with a Democratic president and a Democratic majority in both houses of Congress.

Why? Is there anything the Democrats can do about it? First, it has to be understood. It doesn't just happen.

The Difference Between Framing and Messaging

Framing is the most commonplace thing we do with thought and language. Frames are the cognitive structures we think with. They are physical, embodied in neural circuitry. Frames come in systems. Their circuitry is strengthened and often made permanent through use: the more the circuits are used, the stronger they get. Effective frames are not isolated. They build on, and extend, other frames already established.

All words are defined in terms of conceptual frames. When the words are heard, the frames are strengthened -- not just the immediate frames, but the whole system.

Fit matters. The brain is a "best-fit" system. The better a new frame "fits" existing frames, the more effective it will be; that is, the more people will think, and make decisions, using that frame.

Frame conflict

The activation of one brain circuit may either activate or inhibit another. A frame that fits a system will activate other frames in the system and make them stronger. Strongly activated frames will weaken frames that they inhibit.

There are progressive and conservative frame systems. Activating the conservative frame system, weakens the progressive frame system -- both individual frames for particular issues, but also the system as a whole.

That is how framing works. There are consequences.

High-Level, Moral Frames Matter More

Higher-level frames, deeper in the system, have a disproportionate effect.

The more the language of frame is repeated, the stronger the frame gets, along with the system the frame is in. And the weaker the frames of the contradictory system gets. The stronger high-level frames are, the more effective frames that fit them will be. And the less effective frames that contradict them will be.

In politics, the high-level frames are the moral systems that define what is "right" for a conservative or progressive.

Most Framing is Unconscious

Frames are conceptual; they are the elements of thought. Most thought is unconscious. Words activate frames. We are rarely conscious of the frames that are activated by the words we hear. Yet those frames are there in our brain circuitry, and more we hear the words, the stronger the frames get, even though we aren't aware of it.


Framing is Long-term

Framing is the establishment of permanent (or long-term) high-level frames and systems of frames with the brains of voters. Framing can be done by long-term careful political messaging, or through education (say, by controlling school textbooks).

Prototype Framing

An important part of framing is the establishment of prototypes: social stereotypes, prototypes (typical case, ideals, nightmares, salient exemplars). Stereotypes are used in automatic reasoning and decision-making.

Bi-conceptual Framing

For important domains of thought, like morality, religion, and politics, it is commonplace for people to have two inconsistent frame systems that inhibit each other. When those frames apply to different issues and in different contexts, we speak of "bi-conceptuals." When you can shift back and forth on an issue, you are bi-conceptual on that issue. That is, you can frame the issue in two ways, using inconsistent higher-level frame systems.

Contested concepts

In politics, the high-level frames are moral frames. There are opposing conservative and progressive moral systems. Important political concepts are "contested," overlapping in some classic cases, but diverging in content depending on the moral system. Thus, vital political concepts like Life, Freedom, Responsibility, Government, Accountability, Equality, Fairness, Empathy, Property, Security, and so on are contested.

A major goal of political framing is to get your version of contested concepts accepted by the voters. Messaging can then use these concepts and their language freely and effectively.
That is how framing works generally -- independent of whether the frames are used in politics. In politics, bi-conceptual voters can shift back and forth on an issue, depending on how the issue is framed in terms of higher-level political systems.

Political Messaging

Messages use words. The words activate frames. In political messages, you have a double intention: to get voters to think using your frames and to keep voters from thinking using the other side's frames, which contradict yours.

Your message will be more effective if it fits existing high-level frames in the brains of voters, and less effective it contradicts such high-level frames.

Political messaging and bi-conceptual voters

Your goal, with bi-conceptual voters, is to activate your system of political frames and inhibit the other side's system of political frames. Your message should therefore fit your high-level frame system, and it should not fit the other side's high-level frame system. If it fits the other side's high-level frame system, your message will be helping the other side, because it will tend to make voters think using their frame system.

Why Does Disaster Messaging Arise?

Suppose the other side has structured its messaging over a long period of time to consistently strengthen its high-level frames, prototypes, and versions of contested concepts in the brains of voters. They can now do effective messaging by using those high-level, morally-based frames in messages that evoke the existing strong high-level frames.

Why Conservatives Consistently Win Messaging Battles

In the US, conservatives have set up an elaborate messaging system. It starts with an understanding of long-term framing and message experts who know how to use existing their long-term frame systems. Then there are think tanks, with experts who understand the high-level frame system and how it applies to the full range of issues. There are training institutes that teach tens of thousands of conservatives a year to think and talk using these framing systems and their language and argument forms. There are regular gatherings to consolidate messaging and policy around a contemporary issue that fits the conservative moral system. There are booking agencies that book conservative spokespeople on tv, talk radio, etc. There are lecture venues and booking agencies for conservative spokespeople. There are conservative media going on 24/7/365.

As a result, conservative language is heard constantly in many parts of the US. Conservative language automatically and unconsciously activates conservative frames and the high-level framing systems they are part of. As the language is heard over and over, the circuitry linking the language to conservative frames becomes stronger. Because the synapses in the neural circuits are stronger, they are easier to activate. As a result, conservative language tends to become the normal, preferred "mainstream" language for discussing current issues.

This messaging system has existed and has been extended and strengthened over many years. Democrats have a few of these elements, but they are relatively ineffective, since they tend to view messaging as short-term and issue-based, rather than long-term and morally based. Democrats tend not to understand how framing works, and often confuse framing (which is deep, long-term, systematic, morality-based, and conceptual) with messaging (which is shallow, short-term, ad hoc, policy-based, and linguistic).

This situation puts Democrats at a messaging disadvantage relative to conservatives, which leads to conservative victories. Hence the regular need for disaster messaging.

Polling and The "Mainstream"

When the Democrats are out-messaged, they call upon polling and focus groups to given an "empirical, evidential" account of public opinion and which language is preferred by the public. The "evidence" comes from polls and focus groups that test the normal "mainstream" language and logic, versus language and logic that is not "mainstream." This is, naturally, conservative language and logic, because the conservative messaging system has systematically made it that way patiently over years. The pollsters therefore report that the "mainstream" of Americans prefer the conservative language and logic, and the policies that go with them. The pollsters then suggest moving to right to go to where the public is. They then construct and test messages that move enough to right to satisfy the "mainstream." They also construct "good arguments." If the "good arguments" activate the conservative worldview, the conservative position will just get stronger in the brains of the voters.

What's Wrong?

When the Democrats use conservative language, they activate more than the conservative framing on the given issue. They also activate and strengthen the high level, deep conservative moral frames. This tends to make voters more conservative overall -- and leads them to choose the real conservative position on the given issue, rather than the sort of conservative version provided by the democrats.

Disaster framing is a disaster.

The "Center"

There are bi-conceptuals of many kinds-- you can have partly conservative, partly progressive views on many issues, and people vary considerably. There is no general ideology of the center. The myth that there is a single "center" is an artifact of current polling practices.
Here's how this works. Ask people whether they When you pick a given issue and poll on the most common "mainstream" language. It will be favored by both full conservatives and bi-conceptuals who happen to be conservative on that issue. Those bi-conceptuals may identify as "democrats" or "liberal-leaning" or "independents." With suitable framing, those bi-conceptuals should shift on the issue, while the true conservatives will not.

Do they form a "center?"

That is an empirical question, but they do not appear to. Change the issue and a new issue-specific "center" may appear, person-by-person.

Such polling is rarely done, so claims about a single "center" -- or a single left-to-right spectrum -- should not be believed.

The Importance of Bi-conceptuals

Pollsters tend not to test for bi-conceptuals. They are not just undecideds, or independents, or mere swing voters. They are voters who have both relatively strong progressive and conservative high-level moral systems and apply them in different contexts to different issues. There are usually a significant number -- in the US my guess is around 20% ± 3. They often determine elections. If they are given only conservative messaging, that messaging will activate their conservative frame system. If they are given progressive messages often enough over a reasonably long period, there is a good chance that their progressive moral system will be activated and strengthened.

The directly contradicts the traditional view of mainstream pollsters. As a result, it has not been tested empirically on a large scale, though there is one solid result.

Recommendation

Don't move to the right. Start thinking longer term. Build as much of a communications system as possible. Design long-term framing for your own high level, moral system and basic policy domains. Fit your immediate messaging needs to the long-term frames. Carry on both kinds of messaging in parallel.

Polling

Design polling to study bi-conceptuals through value-based frame-shifting. Always use batteries of questions.

How Conservatives Change Policies Without Winning Elections

How do conservative Republicans have a large effect on policy even when they are largely out of office? Their communication system is never out of office. That allows a conservative minority to stonewall and resist and gain popular approval for it. Their communication system intimidates Democrats into disaster messaging and policy shifts to the right. The Republicans don't have move the country in a conservative direction by holding office. Their communications system can get the Democrats to move the country to the right by forcing disaster messaging upon them.

The example of immigration

The most recent example of disaster framing is reported on in an important Politico article by Carrie Budoff Brown "Dems Tough New Immigration Pitch". It's an excellent piece, and I will be quoting liberally from it.

Brown reports that Democrats have taken "an enforcement-first, law-and-order, limited-compassion pitch that now defines the party's approach to the issue." Democratic leaders are now following the advice of pollsters Stan Greenberg, Celinda Lake, and Guy Molyneux and strategist/focus-group dialer Drew Westen: Talk like Republicans.

"The 12 million people who unlawfully reside the country? Call them "illegal immigrants," not "undocumented workers," the pollsters say." The pollster team was organized by John Podesta of the Center for American Progress.

"When [voters] hear 'undocumented worker,' they hear a liberal euphemism, it sounds to them like liberal code," said Drew Westen, a political consultant who has helped Sharry hone the message through dial testing. "I am often joking with leaders of progressive organizations and members of Congress, 'If the language appears fine to you, it is probably best not to use it. You are an activist, and by definition, you are out of the mainstream.'"

And craft a policy with lots of Republican elements. Here is what President Obama, following the pollsters' advice, said at a Cinco de Mayo celebration at the White House:

"The way to fix our broken immigration system is through common-sense, comprehensive immigration reform. That means responsibility from government to secure our borders, something we have done and will continue to do. It means responsibility from businesses that break the law by undermining American workers and exploiting undocumented workers -- they've got to be held accountable. It means responsibility from people who are living here illegally. They've got to admit that they broke the law and pay taxes and pay a penalty, and learn English, and get right before the law -- and then get in line and earn their citizenship."

Conservative Republican elements are being communicated here: Use force against the illegals ("secure our borders"); get tough ("held accountable"}; personal, not social, "responsibility"; criminals ("living here illegally"); be punitive ("admit they broke the law and pay taxes and pay a penalty"); English only ("learn English"); they're getting free handouts ("earn their citizenship.").

Put aside for a moment the substance of the policy, and notice that these are conservative Republican themes that fit a conservative Republican view of the world. Democrats, starting with the President, are using the language that activates the conservative Republican view of the world. Why? As Brown reports,

"We lost control of the message in the 2007 debate," said Frank Sharry, executive director of America's Voice, a pro-immigrant rights group that worked with Center for American Progress founder John Podesta on the messaging overhaul.

"We were on the inside fighting off amendments, and the other side was jacking up their opponents and getting Rush and Hannity and O'Reilly on fire about this. We needed to do a much better job on communications."

But the biggest factor came from Greenberg's polls: the threat that Democrats could lose "swing districts" in elections, but could win them with this message. So the Democrats not only adopted the message, but much of the largely conservative policy that went with it.

A major feature, however, is that the "illegals" would be legalized while on the path to citizenship. The conservative response is obvious: It's just amnesty warmed over. The Democrats are still soft on "illegals" -- a term now embraced by Democrats who follow Drew Westen's recommendation.

With the Administration's lawsuit against the recent Arizona anti-immigrant law, you can bet that the Republicans will use that lawsuit to pin "soft on illegals" on Democratic candidates. And the Administration's new "tough" right-wing rhetoric will only help support the Republicans.

Repetition over The Long Term

The only way progressives can avoid the disaster of disaster messaging is by regularly saying what they believe, in an effective messaging system -- out loud, over and over, with the idea of changing how the public thinks and talks over the long haul.

Here is an uncompromising example of a possible op-ed:


End A Bad Law: 287 g

Bad laws, laws that hurt far more than they help, should be eliminated. Section 287(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) is a bad law. Here's why.

Almost all immigrants who entered the US without papers are honest, hard-working, decent people, who have often risked their lives to come the America. They do essential work, mostly for low wages, work that makes the lifestyles of most Americans possible: cleaning homes, caring for children and the elderly, gardening, cooking in restaurants, working on farms, doing odd jobs, working on construction. They deserve our gratitude. They are America's mainstays, good guys. There are twelve million of them in America, helping us all live better every day.

A small number, as in any population, are bad guys: occasional murderers, human traffickers, drug dealers, gang members, and thieves. They need to be captured and convicted.

But 287 g mostly harasses, jails, harms, and deports the good guys, and in doing so, mostly lets the bad guys escape.

287g allows local police and jailers to act as deportation agents with ultimate power over the lives of the good guys, who are assumed to be guilty until proven innocent. Their very entry into the US without papers constitutes sufficient "guilt" to justify their mistreatment and deportation.

287 g promotes a form of racial profiling. 287 g is immoral, an affront to the human rights that define what America is about.

287 g is also ineffective in getting the bad guys, partly because it uses so many resources on going after the good guys.

As Alex DiBranco reports, the Department of Homeland Security's Office of the Inspector General (OIG) found that 287(g) is poorly managed, ineffectively organized, and arbitrarily implemented from place to place; ignores or actually provides false information to the public; fails to focus on non-citizens who pose a safety threat; gives shoddy training; and lacks oversight and has not terminated those local partners who have clearly violated the terms of the agreement -- local law enforcement officials running amok in hunting down harmless undocumented immigrants. 287(g) also deters undocumented immigrants who witness a crime from coming forward and encourages racial profiling in which Latinos are "guilty until proven innocent."

287 g should be ended, and replaced by a law that protects the good guys and pays serious attention to catching the bad guys. It is not just ineffective; it is downright immoral.

The Point

Almost every day, I get a request from somewhere in the US -- or various other countries -- to help some group do disaster messaging. It's sad. Reframing rarely works with disaster messaging.

To work long-term, progressive messaging must be sincere and direct, must reflect progressive moral values, and must be repeated. Progressive framing is about saying what you believe, telling the truth, and activating the progressive worldview already present in the minds of those who are partly conservative and partly progressive.

Framing is, of course, about policy, more than about messaging. What you say should go hand-in-hand with what you think and do.

And, of course, the best messaging requires an excellent communications system, or it won't be heard. Progressives have the money to build such a system. The question is whether they understand the desperate need for such a system, and whether they have the will to build it.

 
 
 
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08:48 PM on 07/15/2010
Thanks for an illuminating (if brain-bending) analysis of how we find ourselves in a situation where the "center" is moving to the right, and what progressives can cohesively and comprehensively adjust. It sucks that it all seems so propagandizing, so manipulative, but the human brain is a splendid and frightening thing - the way it works isn't always the way we wish it would. Once the frame adjustment is made, reasonable arguments will actually resonate with more people.
02:06 PM on 07/12/2010
Hey Moderator! What happened to my reply to datastorm? You posted several retreads and an absolute screed by valboski but somehow my description of conservatives, socialists and progressives were not aproved?
01:53 AM on 07/11/2010
Evidently we need to work on our strategy and tactics for waging propaganda wars. But our goal should not be to set up to win propaganda wars, but instead to get rid of them and move beyond a strategy based on fear and stereotypes.

The best answer to misleading advertising campaigns is a sophisticated viewer who knows how advertising campaigns work and does not like campaigns that insult his/her intelligence or try to press emotional buttons. Trying to regulate truth in advertising is far less effective.

Similarly our goal should be to increase political sophistication and understanding. Campaign speeches, bumper stickers, and 30-second TV commercials do not do this, whether they are ours or theirs. We need to come up with something that does.
11:31 AM on 07/13/2010
I can't agree. If you try to move beyond a strategy based on fear and stereotypes, you will be defeated by any frame that can activate them. If a framer can stimulate some fear, some us-vs-them, and some weak-vs-strong responses, people will fall in love with the Father. You have to find some way to defang that fearmongering propaganda, but not by hoping people will rise above it. You have to defang it by accepting that people will fall in with it. You have to try to invalidate it while respecting its power, which means the cryptic code of your own frame has to activate an even more powerful set of invalidating codes of disgust, ridicule and rejection of the deep premises of the other camp. There are so few progressives who do any of this! John Stewart and Bill Maher do a bit of it, but partly defuse it with laughter. Keith Olbermann does it - but it is worth reflecting on why his moral frame has not swept the whole country. It has some of the ingredients. His viceral reactions are the level of feeling you need to activate on a much more massive scale to turn the right-wing tide around.
02:53 PM on 07/13/2010
Lakoff's reframing - about needing a good law to catch the bad guys, not a bad law to catch the good guys, starts to get into it - it carves up the world in good vs. evil, vilifies evil but from a position of strength and confidence that we can catch them, it reassures us, and makes us want to help make things right.

You have to know what parts of the brain you are talking to - you need to own or neutralize the FUD modules, because if your opponent grabs them, you're done.
Ifeomamn
When MSM report Facts, USA thrives.
09:58 AM on 07/10/2010
The 3% in disagreement with this article , would have been what I would have liked to have been included.

The media is supposed to be the 4th state. When they fail to report actual news, who holds them accountable? While Bush2 savaged this nation, Dick BP Cheney was used by Bill Frist 8/9 times as the 51st vote in the senate to get a bill passed. The filerbuster rule was still there but some how, their horrid bills made it through. Why? Today, the senate GOPers since 2007 have used the filibuster rule a an unprecedented record level, and the media covers it as if to say that was the way the senate has always worked. There is zero questioned asked of these GOPers by the media to account for their obstructionism. During the Bush2 delima, most senate Dems were asked for Obstructing bills. Why the double standard?

Then there are the lies that go unchallenged. The media today were all over AG Blumenthal from CT for almost a week about his lies on his lack of combat engagement during 'Nam, rightfully so. When lies of Kirk from IL materialized, it hardly made the news for a day. The former Fox covered it at nauseam. The later not at all. The media today, copies whatever Fox considers news.

Palin, sneezes, comes out with gibberish on Facebook, Tweeter or video, MSM are on it. This woman, left governorship for money, didn't win VP election but dominates news? Double standard?
11:52 AM on 07/13/2010
These observations are going to do nothing to change the visceral convictions of people who like Sarah Palin because she "seems right" and says things that "make sense" to them. The receptive context that populist conservative demagoguery has constructed in the minds of her supporters means that her lack of focus and rambling actually boosts her credibility for many of them. She comes across as unvarnished and genuine.

And media-bashing will do nothing to smash the right-wing populist mindset either. It's a plank in their platform too.

Trust that the answer, whatever it turns out to be, has to be something that, at present, isn't so obvious that any of us can just spit it out. If it were that obvious, we wouldn't be facing this problem of losing our ability to frame the discourse.
Ifeomamn
When MSM report Facts, USA thrives.
09:39 AM on 07/10/2010
This is the most accurate illustration of what ells the Dems the since 1986, in particular. I am 97% in agreement with you. You were meticulous, diligent and an eye opener to those Dems that continuously close their minds to what is before their faces. Thank you for this piece. Unfortunately, will the Dems listen? Than is the 64M dollar question. Thank you again.

My disastrous inept has been trying to have my comments posted. 1st attempt was pending and never was posted. And the second , was posted but to another article. I will take blame on that one, how it happened, only the good Lord knows. Enough about me.

Mr. Lakoff, you are brilliant. I hope some on in DNC, WH takes a look at this piece and examine their failure in messaging. It has been MIA. The GOPers views are a not selling but their thoughts and lingo dominate the air waves, both radio and TV/Cable. The Dems fail to establish their messaging format because they continue to believe that repetition is not the wave to inform the public. They keep believing that the media would actually report the news. Until a 2by4 hits the Dems in the head, their attitude would not change. Soros, from what I have read, when approached of buying radio stations, said, that was not the best way to get information to the people.
More people get to work commuting. They listen to the radio as they drive. People watch TV.
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01:05 AM on 07/10/2010
Going forward, I think the "framing" in the upcoming elections should revolve around Hoover. One quote attributed to Hoover is "We are now speeding down the road of wasteful spending and debt, and unless we can escape we will be smashed in inflation." I'm unable to find whether this quote is pre or post stock market crash.

However this seems to be what all Republican candidates are running on. And so there lies the framing. Should America vote for the Hoover approach, which the Republicans advocate, with its known result? Should America have let GM and Chrysler fail, as the Republicans advocated, or rescue them, as Ronald Reagan rescued Chrysler decades earlier?

I like Howard Dean, but, as evidenced by the Brown victory in Massachusetts, he seems asleep at the switch. The Dems have better get themselves marketing people, because they do have a winning sales pitch.

It's unfortunate that a sales pitch, rather than a reasoned intellectual argument decides the merits of policy, but if that's the rules of the game, then, the game needs to be played by the rules.

And if I was the Dems, I would be running against Hoover, since the pro Hoover agenda seems to be what is required by Republicans to be elected in their primaries.

I haven't heard a single Republican ad stating what they would vote for, rather, their entire pitch is who would be most effective in obstructing Obama.
09:46 AM on 07/10/2010
How about framing Republicans as liars and hypocrites, using their own words against them?

"Reagan proved that deficits don't matter. We won the midterms. This is our due."
- Dick Cheney

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYyyLf6LtIk

"We, the Republican party, came to Washington to change government and government changed us. We let spending go out of control. We spent money like a drunken sailor."

- John McCain, 2008

http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/news/watch/v497010DfpRbFwP
http://www.cfr.org/publication/13338/republican_debate_transcript_south_carolina.html#

Let's just run these quotes and clips over and over.

- Tom
10:26 PM on 07/10/2010
While this succeeds at calling the Repugs out on being hypocrites, it perpetuates the conservative frame that government spending and deficits are the ultimate enemy.
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12:35 AM on 07/10/2010
In the either/or, two party political system that dominates American politics, it is the party with the better marketing that is dominating the issues. And, it is professional marketing. The Republicans haven't gotten out of campaign mode for the last 9 years. During the run up to the Iraq war, the White House engaged marketing people in the form of the White House Iraq Group. Every time we see these talking heads chiming in unison, such as with the "death panels" argument opposing health care reform, we're seeing the results of marketing research, which concluded through sampling that the "death panel" language would frame effectively, and the talking heads carry out the advertising campaign.

But, there's a lot of stuff wrong, not least of which is that the two choices presented by the two parties has sometimes left a 3rd choice "off the table". I think there's a fake dichotomy going on here. I saw in in financial reform, where eliminating the "too big to fail" corporation was off the table. In health care reform, the option that would give us cost parity to the rest of the western nations was taken off the table, with the cooperation of the corporate media.

Better marketing for the Dems is needed, but "Instant Runoff" election reform is needed in order to bring in competing ideas and candidates to the status quo. With more competition, we would hear a lot less nonsense from both political parties.
02:11 AM on 07/10/2010
Excellent.
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09:21 PM on 07/10/2010
Instant Runoff sounds complicated when introduced to someone who's not really paying attention: at least call it "majority voting". But it isn't the only possible electoral change that would enable third parties to compete on fair terms. My favorite idea is to let people choose what House seat in their state to vote for. Then minor parties could get their supporters to register for the same seat(s), and get approximately proportional representation.
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09:00 PM on 07/09/2010
The difference between Dems and Pugs is the difference between Lakoff and Frank Luntz. Lakoff believes he has to tell you all about the manifold intricacies of interpersonal belief systems as they relate to the cognitive awareness and public adoption of progressive policies. Luntz goes right for the nuts. No rationale, no concern for the truth and certainly no apologies.
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08:49 PM on 07/09/2010
Dear George Lakoff: Please include in your brilliant diagnosis and prescriptions some of Thomas Frank's "How Conservatives Won the Heart of America" in his "What's the Matter with Kansas?" as well as John Dean's "Conservatives Without Conscience."

Americas are being punked by billionaires. Punked = destroyed.
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08:00 PM on 07/09/2010
repetition is the key. we are always going to be at a disadvantage so long as there is no fairness doctrine. what we have now is the FCC censoring the left because it gives exclusive right to broadcast on limited air to people or entities who then chose to run right wing propaganda on it. the airwaves belong to us all and all voices should be given equal access. airwaves are not just there for profit or for conservative propaganda. you can not let them build an alternative reality hour after hour and day and after without losing. it is very hard to avoid Limbaugh or a Limbaugh clone on the radio and in my home city he gets 15 uninterrupted hours per week to create conservoworld where oil is a crop like corn. it is very hard to find anything liberal on the radio. tv not much better. what do we expect given the interference in favor of the right that government engages in through FCC licensing.
06:32 PM on 07/09/2010
What is the core difference(s) between a Progressive and a Socialist?

Honest question. Thoughtful answers please.

Also, is it true that the Progressive Framework is dominant in Western Europe?

thank you.
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09:52 PM on 07/10/2010
A progressive believes primarily in moral progress, and sees government as having a role in bringing it about. Progressivism is often based in a religious outlook, and although it has an economic component, its focus is not primarily economic.

A socialist believes in common ownership of the means of production, normally but not necessarily via government.
04:05 PM on 07/09/2010
goobledy goop, crap on a stick, mumbo jumbo, fool me once, all the words in the world will not, I repeat will not get me to vote for Progressives, including Dahlkemper.
09:27 PM on 07/09/2010
If Dahlkemper is a Blue Dog, then she is not a Progressive. There is a difference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_Dahlkemper

- Tom
12:26 PM on 07/09/2010
It's a bumper sticker war. A major part of our problem is that progressives don't believe in the kind of dumbing-down represented by most conservative bumper stickers. Giving tit for tat (answering stupidity with stupidity) runs entirely counter to our basic beliefs.

The solution is to develop -- and aggressively USE -- progressive bumper stickers / sound bites that both frame and state our progressive beliefs in simple, direct, and honest terms.
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8arrows
Crushing my enemies and driving them before me
04:35 PM on 07/09/2010
I agree. When they claim liberals and progressives hate America, we should claim they are baby-eating satanists.
09:34 PM on 07/09/2010
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A major part of our problem is that progressives don't believe in the kind of dumbing-down represented by most conservative bumper stickers.
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Forget the bumper stickers for a moment. The conservative Liberty Central does something progressives aren't doing--making a case for believing in their principles:

http://www.libertycentral.org/five-founding-principles

Why aren't we? We must make our progressive case, then we can think about the bumper stickers.

- Tom
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oldvet
11:31 AM on 07/09/2010
I have long thought that progressive voices need to be heard outside of major population centers. In most areas the only voices heard are Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, etc., either on the radio or Fox TV, which is ubiquitous in public settings such as hotels, and airports. This accounts, I believe, for their larger audiences.

Can't the Democrats fund a nationwide radio network similar to Link TV?
11:25 AM on 07/09/2010
This is frustrating. The dems are terrible at getting their message out. They need to explain to people why what they want to do (and have done) is a good thing for the country and why the obstructionist fillibustering ways of the republican party is a bad thing for the country. Seriously, the repubs have no good ideas of their own, but they do not want anything Obama does to succeed so they can sit back and complain about it. (This is putting politics ahead of country). The dems can also blame themselves for pandering to the repubs and blue dog dems in order to get votes that are never forthcoming. Stop doing this! This makes the bills weaker and less effective (like the recovery act, health care bill, financial reform, etc., which all need to be amended in order to make them how they should have been in the first place). We don't need to get the deficit down right now. We need to spend more money to get jobs back on track quicker. Then you can work on the deficit once the economy can handle it without getting pushed back into a deep recession. Jobs will help bring the deficit down. Recovery act should have been stronger in this area in the first place, but the dems pandered to repubs and made it weaker. Now repubs are complaining that it didn't work! The gall! Now we need to spend more in the jobs/infrastructure area.