George Lakoff
Glenn W. Smith
Eric Haas

George Lakoff, Glenn W. Smith, Eric Haas

Posted May 8, 2009 | 01:10 PM (EST)

Health Care Reform: Some Basic Principles

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Co-authored by Glenn W. Smith and Eric Haas

Real health care reform is within our grasp. President Obama and Congress can create an American plan that can provide health care to all Americans. However, Democrats are not yet doing very well at describing what they are proposing in the area of health care. This has left an opening for Republicans to lie about it. Frank Luntz's 10-point memo, which he presented yesterday, is a good example. We'll come back to Luntz in a moment.

First, let's look at ways Democrats can get their ideas out in public in a way that effectively tells the truth about what they intend to achieve. What they need are some guiding principles for effectively saying what they believe and what is true.

Principle 1. Health care is part of our economic system.

President Obama correctly sees the economy as an integrated system that includes more than just banking. The economy is a system that includes health care, education, jobs, energy, and the environment, as well as an effective, well-monitored banking system and stock market. Real health care is essential for our economy.

Principle 2. Health care is a moral issue.

America was founded on the most central of moral principles: empathy, on caring about and for each other. We are responsible for ourselves and for one another. That is why we have principles like freedom and fairness, for everyone not just the few who are powerful.

To care about our fellow Americans is to care about their health.

Principle 3. Health care is central to the moral mission of the American government.

The American government has twin moral missions: protection and empowerment of the individual - equally for everyone.

Protection includes not just the military and police, but also consumer protection, worker protection, environmental protection, safety nets, investor protection, and health care.

Empowerment is what enables Americans to make a living and have a good life if they work at it. It includes systems of public road and buildings, education, communication, energy, banking -- and health.

No one can make a dime in America or achieve their goals in life without protection and empowerment by America's government.

Principle 4. The President's plan is the American Plan: it fits our principles and serves our people. It represents patriotism at its finest.

The American Plan allows you the freedom to keep your current health plan or choose the American Plan. It is fair in that it allows everyone to afford excellent care. And it allows us to demonstrate in the most visceral way that Americans care about and for their fellow citizens.

Principle 5. The American Plan is a doctor-patient plan.

You and your doctor determine your treatment.

There is no HMO bureaucracy standing between you and the care you get.

Principle 6. The American Plan relieves oppressive HMO government.

Right now HMO's govern your life. Unaccountable HMO bureaucrats decide what treatments you can be "authorized" for and they function to say No to care whenever they can justify it. They make you wait too long, and limit your choice of doctors, clinics, and hospitals. HMO's are oppressive forms of government.

The American Plan diminishes bureaucrats' control over your life. Your American government could act only as a bursar, paying your bills and making sure there is no fraud. Your treatment is up to you and your doctor.

Principle 7. The American Plan provides care instead of denying it.

Why do HMO's have a high administrative cost - 15 to 20 percent or more? They spend money to justify denying you the care you need and all too often delaying care so much that you are harmed by the delay.

The American Plan is there to provide you care, not deny or delay it. Its administrative costs would be low, about 3 percent.

Principle 8. The American Plan costs less and does more.

HMO's are big spenders, not on your health, but on administrative costs, commercials to tout their plans, and profits to investors. As much as 20 to 30% of what you pay does not go to your care. In The American Plan, 97% of what you pay goes for your care. It's a better deal for you and for our country.

Principle 9. The American Plan helps primary care doctors.

HMO's put the squeeze on primary care doctors and have created assembly line medicine. HMO's require doctors to take too many patients per hour, more than they can effectively treat. And they pay doctors as little as possible per patient, so that the HMO's make greater profits, while your doctor loses out -- and you may lose your doctor.

As a result, many thousands of primary care doctors have left their profession. The American Plan will bring back the primary care doctors, paying them what they are worth, and letting them practice medicine instead working on an assembly line.

Principle 10. The American Plan will make prescription drugs cheaper.

Why? Because they can be purchased in greater volume and at a discount.

No longer will Americans have to go to Canada to buy their meds, or order them from other countries. No longer will the cost of medicine threaten to bankrupt older Americans on a fixed income.

The American Plan is America at its best. It fits our moral principles of empathy, freedom and fairness. It helps our economy. It allows freedom of choice. It links your health to you and your doctor. It removes the denial and delay of care. It provides an alternative to the oppressive HMO bureaucracy. It spends less on health and gives your more. And it keeps primary care doctors in business.

Using these principles we can tell the truth about our vision of health care in America. Notice that Frank Luntz recommends "humanizing" Republican rhetoric to avoid humanizing health care in America. Our principles give us the power of truth.

Lakoff, Smith, and Haas authored the Rockridge Institute's report on health care, "Don't Think of a Sick Child." The report can be found here. For policy details on the American Plan see "Healthy Competition," by Jacob S. Hacker here.

Co-authored by Glenn W. Smith and Eric Haas Real health care reform is within our grasp. President Obama and Congress can create an American plan that can provide health care to all Americans. Howeve...
Co-authored by Glenn W. Smith and Eric Haas Real health care reform is within our grasp. President Obama and Congress can create an American plan that can provide health care to all Americans. Howeve...
 
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- jpinsatx I'm a Fan of jpinsatx 3 fans permalink
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Hmmm... Health Care for All Uninsured Americans is Simple!

1) Merge Medicare with Medicade into a single "Income Based" system.

2) Allow insurance companies to offer "Medigap" coverage to all participants.

As for Funding...

1) Changing from an "Emergency Treatment" to a "Preventative Care" system will save local communities billions, maybe even trillions of taypayer dollars!

2) Small business will be able to compete globally and hire additional taxpaying employees!

3) Wealthy seniors will pay their fair share!

4) The tremendous burden on future generations will be greatly reduced!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 05/14/2009
- JuliaRain I'm a Fan of JuliaRain 70 fans permalink

Children. They need health care and they will benefit the most with single payer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 05/09/2009
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We have a fragmented and dysfunctional non system of medical care, in which care is considered a privilege and traded as a commodity producing profits for providers of medical goods and services, for pharmaceutical houses, and for insurers. The quality of care is low, as evidenced by abysmal health statistics. The relatively high cost is offset by rationing services according to ability to pay. Access is likewise restricted by ability to pay. More profitable illness and injury interventions relegate Preventive Medicine to a position of secondary concern. Among the public there appears a consensus that this non system is not working. Most doctors are dissatisfied with burdensome business, insurance, and legal issues.

In most other first world countries there is some variation of a single payer universal system in which access to care is considered a basic right of the public and a basic responsibility of government. The quality of care in these systems is high, as evidenced by good health statistics. The efficiency and relatively lower cost of single payer systems obviates most of the need to ration care. Access is universal. Preventive Medicine is accorded primary concern. The public in these countries seem to be generally satisfied with their systems of health care. Most doctors are satisfied with their ability to focus on medical care rather than business issues.

It would be irrational to ignore the more successful systems of other first world countries, and instead attempt to resuscitate our failing non system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 05/09/2009
- RepugsOut08 I'm a Fan of RepugsOut08 105 fans permalink

I agree. The arguments about the supposed poor quality care and low job satisfaction of doctors in single payer countries, doesn't jive with the statistics that consistantly show us way down the list from these "inferior" health care systems.
Last I heard, France is number one. I don't see how you get there with unhappy patients, and disgruntled doctors.
I can, however, see how our broken system keeps us in the high 20s.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 05/09/2009
- JuliaRain I'm a Fan of JuliaRain 70 fans permalink


The evidence is clear that single payer is an improvement for everyone involved. It's not perfect, but it's not evil or cruel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 05/09/2009
- JuliaRain I'm a Fan of JuliaRain 70 fans permalink

I wish children had medicare. If anything, start giving medicare to children.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 05/09/2009
- JuliaRain I'm a Fan of JuliaRain 70 fans permalink

Bravo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 05/09/2009
- JuliaRain I'm a Fan of JuliaRain 70 fans permalink

If America could stop going to WAR then maybe, just maybe America can have quality health care.

But republicans wouldn't want that! Who's going to pay for their corporate welfare? Their no-bid contracts?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 05/09/2009
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Totally agree, the defense budget and the cost of the wars could put a HUGE dent in paying for the cost of insurance reform. But insurance reform is only one step in a multistep process of reforming actual health care (which no one is discussing, by the way). Once the insurance industries are dismantled, then what? Then what do you say to the millions of families like mine who have or will lose a loved one to the poor quality of care they receive when everyone has easy affordable access to medicine and technology that is killing us?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 05/09/2009
- JuliaRain I'm a Fan of JuliaRain 70 fans permalink

"Then what do you say to the millions of families like mine who have or will lose a loved one to the poor quality of care they receive when everyone has easy affordable access to medicine and technology that is killing us?"

What is your solution?

You think because others finally get some health care, your health care would diminish? A

(going colbert again)

Indeed! All those sick people will get in the way of MY health care! How dare they stay alive!!!

Clearly this is about you and not your fellow citizens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 05/09/2009
- refah I'm a Fan of refah 2 fans permalink

There is another elephant in the room behind the other elephant. Basically, the insurance fraud (make no mistake insurance is legalized fraud) and waste by the medical bureaucracy is the primary problem, but confronting that directly is going to step on a lot of toes. What is needed is a system based on patients. This is the biggest conundrum for America because so much of the system is based on unnecessary treatments and drug sales which takes away the opportunity for healing. Estimates are huge as to the number of patients actually harmed by their providers and unnecessary treatment is at epidemic proportions. It is really up to the patient to be as informed as is humanly possible and avoid unnecessary drugs and procedures, instead making healthy lifestyle changes. Probably the best turnaround would be to pay providers for keeping patients healthy and develop more of a community approach to health. There is no overnight fix.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 05/09/2009
- JuliaRain I'm a Fan of JuliaRain 70 fans permalink

"Probably the best turnaround would be to pay providers for keeping patients healthy"

Yes, the British already do that.

Canadian Health Care emphasizes preventative care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 05/09/2009
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How do you prevent disabilities such as Spina Bifida, Muscular Dystrophy, Multiple Sclerosis, or Cerebral Palsy, and how do you make sure they are absolutely not a drain on the system.

I know how they do it in the UK and Europe, but it would be pointless to say because you wouldn't believe me

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 05/09/2009
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I am going to say this one more time. If nothing is done about the quality of actual care we receive BEFORE we decide who is going to pay and how much, then it wont matter one lick, because everyone will be covered and get the care we need, but the same number of people are going to suffer or die unnecessarily due to substandard to dangerous drugs. And when that reality sets in, and it becomes clear that it would have cost less to incorporate medicine and technology improvements into insurance reform, but that wasn't done, there will be a few of us sitting back, saying "I told you so and tried to warn you, but no one listened"

Of coursse that's assuming we are still alive, because we are now currently terminally ill due to years of negligence and abuse at the hands of the FDA and BigPharma

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 05/09/2009

There are rational approaches to what you are saying and I hope this is the approach that ultimately wins the debate. We have an opportunity to vastly improve patient outcomes and lower costs by concentrating our efforts on outcomes analysis and improved delivery process.

The ideologues simply want "single payer" without any real understanding of what that means. This is very dangerous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 05/09/2009
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I, and a number of others who have had experience with other (European and Canadian) systems of health care have been trying for months to break the brainwashing propogandists from their passionate drive over the cliff (think the movie Speed) toward Single Payer if there is no discussion about actual care improvements as well. Single Payer *may* be the best system out there, but it will not solve all of the problems of true health care, if the only issue that is being discussed is cost, without a discussion about improving care, and the Single Payer propoganda I have read has not said one word about actual improvements in care, but only focuses on reducing costs. Which, yes, is important, but not the ONLY issue that needs to be discussed

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 05/09/2009
- NWGuy I'm a Fan of NWGuy 8 fans permalink
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No question that improvement in treatment is needed and should be part of any "reform". The current drive within the medical field is for "evidenced based medicine", which is using treatments which have been proven through sound scientific studies to be the most effective and safe, is a step in the right direction. Problem #1: still inadequate studies on many treatments and on specific groups (child bearing age women); problem #2: biased "studies" - one drug company admitted to publishing a "peer-reviewed journal" for several years with content that supported their products (greed trumps truth); problem #3: for a treatment to be considered ineffective, it has to be used first and found to fail.

Reality #1: no such thing as a "safe" drug, all drugs have side effects, you use the drug with the most benefit with the least and/or most tolerable side effects, ALL treatments have a cost/benefit ratio; Reality #2: at this point in time, western medicine can't "cure" many conditions (high blood pressure, diabetes, heart failure, autoimmune conditions), but can only try to keep the condition under control, as a physician friend put it, "I can't cure anyone, I just help them tolerate their symptoms."; Reality #3: because of genetics, exposures, health status, etc., each body responds it's own way to a treatment, 99.9% may respond favorably but that 0.1% may not - of course, if that 0.1% includes you, its 100%. Reality #4: everyone wants cured. Reality #5: everyone dies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 05/09/2009
- Davwbaird I'm a Fan of Davwbaird 22 fans permalink
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You guys are right on the nose with your perspective. I have held the same for the last 30 years.

Will evil rule the day or will we come out of the dark ages?

The anxiety around health care and dare I say, credit scores is disabling for many Americans. We have nightmares about those issues. In the long run, health care will pay for itself and keep a lot of use from lapsing into an early death spiral.

It will save lives and bring in more taxes from healthier Americans.

We can not let the insurance industry and republicans win on this one. Our very future is at stake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 05/09/2009
- RepugsOut08 I'm a Fan of RepugsOut08 105 fans permalink

Amen!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 05/09/2009
- NWGuy I'm a Fan of NWGuy 8 fans permalink
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After checking the news this morning, it appears that the only models that are being considered are based on the insurance paradigm. If the health care (really the illness care payment) system is "broken", then why are the only models being considered based on the same system?
The current private insurance model works for some, but the millions without insurance, the multiple lawsuits that have come and gone to force insurers to pay for treatment originally denied, the increasing costs to employers, that fact that individuals can't afford it, all indicate that it is not a model that really works for the country. Insurance plans as designed not to provide health coverage but to make money for the insurance company!
The government option of a gov't run insurance plan as an option to the private plans, although decried by the insurance industry as potentially running them out of business, would actually be to their advantage. They will do what they have done before, refuse to cover the high risk and expensive and dump those on the government plan for the tax payor to cover while they keep the private dollar. Would not be much different than the current welfare program now in place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 05/09/2009
- RepugsOut08 I'm a Fan of RepugsOut08 105 fans permalink

What they fear, is that it won't be just the high risk folks who jump ship when the difference in coverage and premiums become apparent.
My neighbor just had two surgeries that cost 100 grand total. She's old enough to be on the "socialist" Medicare program, so she's okay.
Had she been on the typical insurance plan, she'd be in debt for 20 grand, and probably now dropped from coverage by her provider.
When folks start actually seeing the difference between for-profit and for patient coverage, the insurance companies will be toast. They know this, and that is why they'll pull every dirty trick in the book to get a government plan stopped.
Obama watched his mother fight with these insurance companies, as she was dying of cancer. We have a person who gets it in the White House for a change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 05/09/2009
- Mixpixlix I'm a Fan of Mixpixlix 20 fans permalink

I'm just amazed at the number of people who think it's OK even GOOD to have for profit healthcare systems pay CEOs and other executives millions of dollars (that's our premiums) in salaries and bonsuses while denying care.

I've seen again and again how those opposed to affordable, accessible health care change their tune as soon as the hospital and other treatment bills start rolling in.

We spend more than any other industrialized nation for healthcare (actually sick care) and have the worst outcomes. The number one GOP scare tactic is rationing if health care. It's rationed NOW. You can only see the doctors on their approved list and get procedures with their OK and prescriptions are often not covered or covered minimally. People are cutting back an EVERTHING medical these days because they can't afford it.

Keep in mind that no Republican voted for Medicare. Imagine your grandparents without it.

Both Tawain and Sweden changed their healthcare system to one offering a form of universal coverage (it can be structured in a variety of way) and a recent polls showed that more than 95% of the citizens of each country were VERY satisified with the new system.

We will be too. We just need to get it put in place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 AM on 05/09/2009
- JuliaRain I'm a Fan of JuliaRain 70 fans permalink

"I'm just amazed at the number of people who think it's OK even GOOD to have for profit healthcare systems pay CEOs and other executives millions of dollars (that's our premiums) in salaries and bonsuses while denying care."

And the greedy sure aren't shy about making money off of human suffering.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 05/09/2009
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Okay, I've got to ask. What do you know about suffering? Have you lived, as I have for 36 years with a disability (spina bifida), that has caused you to undergo over 60 surgeries, from a broken toe to a spinal fusion that led to a 10 month stay in the hospital at age 9 for a bone infection incurred during surgery that was done by a surrgeon who was later found to have brain cancer? Have you lost a kidney due to paralysis related to said disability, that was exascerbated by 30+ years of medication and procedures that have now been proven to cause kidney and liver failure? Are you now currently DYING of a combination of kidney, liver, and heart failure caused by medication taken over 30 years? Do you have a broken spine, caused by the frailty of your spine after the above mentioned spinal fusion had to be undone due to the infection I developed, leaving holes in the spine which caused the spine to break?

When you've endured 1/10th of that, come back and talk to me about suffering

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 05/09/2009
- RepugsOut08 I'm a Fan of RepugsOut08 105 fans permalink

I propose police insurance, because I'm sick of paying taxes to protect people who choose to live in crime ridden areas. I was smart enough to live in an area where crime is low, so why should I have to pay for others bad choices.
It's simple. Let private companies form police forces, and let the market decide who gets police protection.
A police insurance company, could write a policy for $500 a month, with a $200 deductable for dialing 911.
You'd only be liable for 15% of the cost of a police visit, after paying $100 co-pay. If the criminal goes to court, you only pay 20% of the court costs.
Should the criminal be convicted, your out of pocket cost for incarceration, would be a mere 20% per year for the sentence given.
Of course, if you've ever been the victim of a crime, you may not be insurable, but that's your problem. You probably asked for it by not being smart enough to get rich enough to live in a gated community.
Gosh, I can't imagine why more people aren't demanding police insurance, instead of our current "socialist" driven police force for all citizens.
Thank god we still have insurance companies controlling life and death health care decisions! I'd rather be bankrupt from lack of the ability to pay for treatment, and giving my last dollar to an insurance company, than to be part of a "socialist" pinko commie health care system devised by a Democrat!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 AM on 05/09/2009
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Great idea!
Me, I propose education insurance, because I'm sick of paying taxes to educate people who might otherwise choose to be stupid and uneducated. I was smart enough to be born in an upper income family which valued education, so why should I have to pay for others bad choices.
It's simple. Let private companies form schools, and let the market decide who gets educated.
A school insurance company, could write a policy for $500 a month, with a $200 deductable for staying in high school.
You'd only be liable for 15% of the cost of a year of school, after paying $100 co-pay. If you fail, you only pay 20% of the cost of the school year.
Should you graduate, your out of pocket cost would be a mere 20% per year of income generated by your education.
Of course, if you are poor, or your parents are uneducated, you may not be insurable, but that's your problem. You probably asked for it by not being smart enough to be born on the right side of the tracks.
Gosh, I can't imagine why more people aren't demanding school insurance and private schools, instead of our current "socialist" single payer public education system.
Just imagine, insurance companies even richer (or asking for bigger bailouts), money flooding into big education business (or tax dollars, if they make looser business decisions), and teachers in Beverly Hills making 1 million or more per year like invasive cardiologists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 05/09/2009
- RepugsOut08 I'm a Fan of RepugsOut08 105 fans permalink

I like your style! After we get the police and education systems privatized, we'll go after those leeches on society who think a fire truck is just supposed to show up automatically when their house is on fire. What a bunch of losers! ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 05/09/2009
- calirighty I'm a Fan of calirighty 36 fans permalink

I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me where we are going to get the doctors, nurses, allied medical personnel, specialists, equipment and facilities to service an additional 47 million (or so you claim) people. According to principal 9 in the article it states that doctors are CURRENTLY seeing too many patients. So adding 47 million people is going to lessen their work load? Who is going to treat these people? What facilities will be used? Where are we going to get the specialized equipment? I'd love to hear some honest answers. I'm not against everyone having health care but it DOES need to be done the proper way. Haphazardly throwing 47 million into the mix without any kind of expansion in training, facilities construction, or equipment purchases will do nothing but further degrade our healthcare system. Liberals claim they want universal healthcare. Fine. Let's hear how you're going to do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 05/08/2009

Finally someone with sense. I am a doctor and have been in practice for 6 years. I can what will happen with a single payer system, the end result of the "public option."

1. Many older physicians will retire. Many younger physicians will do something more productive with their time because the risk (needlesticks, med mal, etc), coupled with diminished decision making capacity, will not be worth the reward. Future MDs will no longer be the best and brightest but the merely mediocre.

2. Investment dollars currently funding new device research and medicines will go away. Adios medical innovation.

3. Rationing will occur because it will be the only way to control costs.

So you will have rationed, rapidly outdated delivered by disgruntled or incompetent people.

Enjoy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 05/08/2009
- JuliaRain I'm a Fan of JuliaRain 70 fans permalink

Sure, you're a medical doctor... of course... lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 05/08/2009

None of these doomsday predictions happen with medicare.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 AM on 05/09/2009

Rationing will not occur with universal healthcare as it is a not for profit. For profit health insurance which we have now is bloated with rationing.

You're a doctor like I'm a doctor, get a life why lie?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 AM on 05/09/2009
- RepugsOut08 I'm a Fan of RepugsOut08 105 fans permalink

Wow! I need a doctor who can put sentences together, before I trust him/her to operate on me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 AM on 05/09/2009
- mtnyogini I'm a Fan of mtnyogini 3 fans permalink

Gee doc that makes it all ok then that some folks don't have access to any health care. Just so long as the special people get care and the doctors and insurance companies are happy, our system must work. Or do you have some real suggestion as to how to provide health care to everyone?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 05/09/2009
- jwredd I'm a Fan of jwredd 44 fans permalink

Sounds like jobs, jobs and more jobs to me. If adding 47 million new customers to an industry would be a bad thing, what am I missing?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 05/09/2009
- RepugsOut08 I'm a Fan of RepugsOut08 105 fans permalink

Exactly! And I love the claim that no one will want to be doctors under national health care, because they won't make enough money. Doctors in the UK are making 250 grand or more a year. Sure, it ain't movie star wages, but I gotta believe that kind of cash will entice a few people away from a career at Wal-Mart.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 05/09/2009
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You are missing the point that, so long as someone, anyone, whether it be private for profit insurance or the Surplus(pr­ofit)/Defe­cit(debt) obsessed government is in charge of health care, they are in charge of our lives. Until and unless someone truly stops caring about debt and profit, there are only two ways to keep costs down, keep people out of the system, or cut services offered by the system. As more people are added to the system, costs must go up for the government to pay for the care, even working at a bare minimum level, and eventually, the costs will become so expensive that the cost will have to be transferred to the customer, thus raising cost to the taxpayer. So, to minimize the cost increases due to natural inflation, every system must, and always had to deny coverage to some of its citizens or cut services to those citizens already receiving the service. The NHS in England, a European system that everyone applauds so much, just cut services to the disabled and critically ill

You can deny til your dying day that it will happen, but not believing it will happen will not prevent it from happening so long as ANYONE is concerned with cost

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 05/09/2009
- Davwbaird I'm a Fan of Davwbaird 22 fans permalink
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those 47 million use the emergency rooms which we all pay for. They do not get preventive care which we all pay for. What don't you get?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 05/09/2009
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And let's not forget, Universal Health Care is ONLY a system to manage costs, to say absolutely nothing, not a word about actual improvements in care (medicine and technology) that need to be reformed. And, these UHC addicts fail to aknowledge that it will cost more in the long run to reform medicine and technology after insurance, than it would if they commbine the two reforms into one big massive overhaul of the entire system. A lot of people talk about the doctor-patient relationship, but fail to realize that a doctor is only as good as the medicine and technology he has at his disposal to give to his patients. If THAT issue is not resolved, then insurance reform will be irrelevant 20-30 years after it is implemented, because the same number of people are dying, not from lack of access, but from the lack of quality of the care they have access to

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 05/09/2009

Again, you are exactly right. The ideologues do not want to consider the broader implications of health reform beyond simply stating they want "single payer."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 05/09/2009
- RepugsOut08 I'm a Fan of RepugsOut08 105 fans permalink

I think most people who are currently uninsured, or worrying about losing their insurance, or facing bankruptcy due to debt incurred from high deductables, would prefer to get that monkey off their back now. No one's arguing against better medicine and technology.
Your argument is like saying, because the government pays for law enforcement, there's no incentive to develope better crime fighting techniques. Just look how DNA testing has improved law enforcement, and we didn't have to resort to a for-profit police force to get it.
I really can't understand you not seeing health care in the same way as police, fire and military protection. They're all about protecting life and health. People go into law enforcement and firefighting, as well as making careers out of the military, not to become millionaires, but because it's what they love.
These careers are as demanding in their way as the medical profession, and not nearly as lucrative. The last I heard, doctors in the UK make around 250 grand a year, and more through bonuses, if they can show their patients are improving. Take away the insurance company aggravation, and it must be a dream job for someone who loves medicine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 05/09/2009

I read that Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska says (in the May 7 ,TomPaine.com) that he will oppose any effort to creat a public insurance program because it "would be too attractive and would hurt the private insurance plans." The piece by David Sirota notes that Nelson's number one and number three contributors are the insurance and health care industries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 05/08/2009
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Please recognize that you are talking about illness care, not health care. Everything listed is about the costs of providing treatment for illnesses and injuries, not about "health".

If we really want to do something about the health of Americans, which can then drive down the cost of treatment, not just figuring out a different way to pay for it, then more needs to be done, some ideas:

1. Physical activity needs increased: put PE back into schools and fund it; when designing malls, downtowns, etc, make them pedestrian centered, not car centered; provide tax breaks for companies that set up fitness/wellness programs; increase green spaces for bikes, walking, sports; require bike paths; fund national parks to get more people back out there hiking, etc.; tax breaks for those that show a reduced use of cars;
2. Nutrition: fast food places fill a need that is still there, but reconfigure the portion sizes - a US Whopper doesn't need to be bigger than the Canadian one; get the junk food out of the schools;
3. Support peer pressure: when our taxes go up to pay for illness care, then when we see the guy over there chomping down on Big Mac #3 or coworkers that aren't trying to stay fit, then peer pressure is great to help get them into line
4+: safe work environments, clean up environment, stop pollution, encourage time to play, on and on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 PM on 05/08/2009
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make a comment to me as i am enjoying my food please.......

hold on.......let me toss another log on the fire.......just doing my part.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 05/08/2009
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George Lakoff is a genius. But let's augment the truth. The reform we're talking about here isn't about the care. We have care -- great care. Reform is about insurance, coverage, how care is paid for, who pays and how much. To insert health as an element in our economy is perfectly logical. But I think it's a linguistic trap to distract attention from our insurance ills by engaging in health industry-speak that fits all discussion under the rubric of health "care."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 05/08/2009
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Health Care Reform

Real Health Care Reform is a COMPLEMENTARY -- MAINSTREAM and ALTERNATIVE -- 21st CENTURY HEALTH CARE SYSTEM, which will DECREASE costs enormously since preventative measures as well as alternative care will keep people healthy.

Of course mainstream health care agencies do not want complementary medicine because each agency is making billions of dollars. OZONE destroys CANCER but since it's a natural substance and cannot be patented, the FDA has refused to allow its use in the U.S., despite the fact that OZONE DESTROYS CANCER TUMORS and is used with great success in Canada, Europe, and especially in Germany.

HEALTH CARE IS A FOR-PROFIT SYSTEM IN THE UNITED STATES!!!

Just by switching to a Complementary System, the cost of health care will Decrease by the Billions.

Which means the entire mainstream medical establishment has to be overhauled, starting with the FDA - the police of U.S. health care.

Download for free 2008 Updates for my book "Innocent Casualties: The FDA's War Against Humanity" at www.fdainformation.com to learn the documented truth.

FDA is a criminal agency, allowing Vioxx -- an arthritic drug -- to be marketed when it knew how dangerous the side affects were: 100,000 people had heart attacks, with 50,000 dying. The FDA's NUMBER ONE JOB IS TO PROTECT AMERICANS, not own shares in the RX co.s it regulates.

Real Health Care Reform will only happen when the public learns the TRUTH.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 05/08/2009
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