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"Where's the Pony?" Occupy Wall Street Demands

Posted: 10/27/11 08:13 PM ET

There is an old joke about an optimistic kid that is left in a room full to the brim with horse shit. The people who left him there return about an hour later, and to their surprise, they find the boy happily digging through the shit and ask "Hey Boy! What are you doing?," to which the boy responds: "With all this shit I figured there's got to be a pony in here somewhere."

I recently took a tour of the Occupy Wall Street demonstration in Zuccoti Park, trying to find the pony.

Walking into the demonstration was like peeling layers of an onion. There was an outer layer of police, followed by a layer of observers, next came sign holders, then campers, and intermixed between them were pods of organized committees (media, law, art, tech, etc.). I spoke to many people, trying to get an idea of the main goal and purpose (pony) they were working toward.

The pony I hoped to find would've come in the form of clear policy changes Occupy Wall Street wanted to see. For example, campaign finance reform, Wall Street compensation regulation or Congress term limits. There are still no 'official demands' from the collective, but there has been a lot of press around individuals claiming to make Occupy Wall Street demands. (See the first set of user-submitted demands the media ran with.)

I continued to make rounds inside the camp, and stayed for the 8 p.m. general assembly (which started at 8:30 p.m.). The human microphone system that used people repeating three words of a speech at a time was awesome to be a part of, but the topics -- like whether the group could purchase non eco-friendly storage bins -- were hard to get excited about. The assembly also became incredibly hard to hear, as a poorly timed sacred drum circle started 30 feet away.

It was at that moment it became clearer to me what was going on. This truly democratic group was trying to do things in a new way, trying to hear and act on everyone's voice in the 99 percent. Unfortunately the result of this can turn into a decentralized cacophony of noise, signs, and demands. Aligned but not organized, loud but not focused. (See the conversation tag cloud.)

At the simplest level Occupy Wall Street is the have-nots's response to the haves. Occupy Wall Street has become an open platform for talking and demonstrating about the negative externalities that come from having the "1 percent" guide the direction of the country. Despite some media covering fringe cases of protester demands, there have yet to be any concrete positions taken by Occupy Wall Street.

In 2009 another movement was created that focused on new political discourse and on-the-ground meet ups. In their first two months, the Tea Party garnered millions of impressions and occupied the country's media and political discourse, but this spike didn't last and neither will the Occupy Wall Street attention.

Occupy Wall Street Vs. Tea party
Google Trend Analysis

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There are many differences between the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street, including the fact that the Tea Party was willing to let politicians carry their torch as a formal political party. This has given them a few additional attention bumps after their initial month-long spike of attention in April 2009 due to the political cycle.

Occupy Wall Street has openly rejected any one person speaking for or representing the group -- which has helped it keep it populous and inclusive. Unfortunately a non-Occupy Wall Street affiliated group has purchased OccupyParty.org (and over 40 other Occupy[state] domains) and may end up causing even more confusion for Occupy Wall Street come election time.

The clock is now running for Occupy Wall Street since the 'media silence' was broken in early October, which means media buzz will be dying out by mid-November. Occupy Wall Street has spread across over 50 cities, gathered 500k Facebook fans across 40+ pages, and organized multiple marches.

Now that the silence has been broken, Occupy Wall Street has a limited window of attention and momentum, regardless of how long they intend to physically occupy. So with the clock counting down, I am holding out hope that Occupy Wall Street can find their pony in this room full of drum circles, media hype and message hijacking.

 
 
 

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There is an old joke about an optimistic kid that is left in a room full to the brim with horse shit. The people who left him there return about an hour later, and to their surprise, they find the bo...
There is an old joke about an optimistic kid that is left in a room full to the brim with horse shit. The people who left him there return about an hour later, and to their surprise, they find the bo...
 
 
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10:11 AM on 10/30/2011
It's amazing that they did manage to get the powers that be to pay attention to the issue of student loan debt and to propose some solutions. They'd be wise to come in from the cold, put the drums down and participate in this dialogue which effects many of them directly.
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Marla Louise
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02:30 PM on 10/28/2011
Try this everyone... Go to the Google trend link provided (http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=Occupy%20Wall%20Street%2CTea%20Party&date=1%2F2009%2035m&cmpt=q). See how the Tea Party peaks a bit higher than Occupy Wall Street (although this may change by the end of the week)? Now go up to the Search Terms section, and replace "Occupy Wall Street" just with the word "Occupy". Interesting, no?
02:36 AM on 10/30/2011
Interesting indeed. Especially since the picture in the article just says "occupy".
jparker782
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11:47 AM on 10/28/2011
Many are struggling to define this movement. Some selfishly, others curiously....

Here is an interesting read on defining Occupy Wall Street's philosophy:

Occupy Wall Street: A movement founded on capitalism reform, not on anti-capitalism
http://selfdeprecate.com/politics-articles/occupy-wall-street-capitalism-reform-movement/
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Tribal Knowledge
Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid!
11:23 AM on 10/29/2011
They will, simply, HAVE to get elected representation.
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SteveC 1979
Just...don't.
12:11 PM on 11/01/2011
Agreed. Threre is no way else to enact change. It has to be done through law.
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Scott Leland
10:49 AM on 10/28/2011
Our country's economic problems: not enough Americans working, paying income taxes and contributing to their Social Security accounts are not caused by the corrupt political system but by the Main Street corporations:

http://www.flixya.com/blog/3201910/Beautiful-Butterflys
01:13 AM on 10/28/2011
These politicians are just sound biting. From what I see more and more people are going to the rallies.
They do have a clear cut message I understood them. Its not going to fizzle out. People are at a boiling point. The news media and the 1% are tiring of it but not the 99%. The best way to defuse this is for government to say okay we'll bend and understand and see what laws we can agree on. But they can't because they are owned by Wall Street. They'd rather bully and beat us into submission. Its a shame but if you want accurate news about OWS you have to skip the network news, avoid cable and go right to the BBC. If you are looking for intelligent conversation, if not network and cable will provide costumes, slants and total fantasy.
08:46 PM on 10/27/2011
Do we really want our National Guard posted and on stand bys to prevent civil unrest? Is it worth it to the GOP Tea Party millionaires at the tax cut trough, to increase costs in homeland security for all because of their contempt for the unemployed? Will it be worth to us all to leave unemployed extensions in the abyss?

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07:28 PM on 10/27/2011
It is amazing how many people are writing and discussing how unworthy of discussion the Occupy movement is. And how they don't know what in heaven's name those hippies are so up in arms about while it seems pretty clear to most people exactly what they are talking about.
As I understand it, they are demanding that something be done to rein in the out of control financial sector because those fools are wrecking the world. What should be done?
*Financial transactions tax?
*Bring back Glass Steagal?
*Use existing anti-trust laws to break up too big to fail banks?
*Reinstate laws that seperate commercial banks from investment banks?
*Throw some billionaires in jail?
*Bring back the guillotine and lop some heads off?
*All of the above?
We have people who we pay to work out these messy details. They are called politicians and bureaucrats. They just need to know that there are a whole bunch of angry people who demand that they do their jobs or lose those jobs. See how simple?
p.s. I think if you randomly walked into a meeting of, say the DNC you might be privey to some mundane discussion of what kind of trash containers they need to buy. We all put our pants on one leg at a time.
hellinahandcart
Your silence will not protect you.
11:05 PM on 10/30/2011
Excellent response, fpie.
I, too, am continually amazed at how people who are hundreds--even thousands-- of miles away can understand exactly what these protests are about, while some "blogger" actually goes to the park, walks around, talks to people, and still comes away clueless. Amazing.

And you hit the nail on the head when you said, "We have people who we pay to work out these messy details." The point of the protests is not for the protesters to become legislators, regulators, or judges, but to pressure the people whom WE PAY BIG MONEY to do these jobs, to do these jobs correctly!

Your point #3 is spot on, too. The General Assemblies cannot always be pumped up, passionate, inspiring-- sometimes the boring day to day stuff has to be hashed out.

You are fanned, faved and badged.
07:26 PM on 10/27/2011
A domain name beginning "Occupy. . . " won't spawn a political party. The movement appears to be so determinedly democratic that they won't be efficient enough to create a party of the people. Remember, it took an elite group of founding fathers, not a mob, to create our government. I own a domain name, 99erParty.com, that I believe could be the foundation of true progressive movement. Anyone want to join me in founding? If there is an appropriate group looking for a tag domain, I'd be happy to donate mine--
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Marla Louise
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02:35 PM on 10/28/2011
What you say has been true in the past. And yes, history does repeat itself. But it doesn't mean new patterns, new solutions, new ways cannot and do not happen. Perhaps that is what is happening and there is no need to copy old ways that seem to be breaking down.
06:32 PM on 10/28/2011
So what are the new patterns, solutions, new ways? Followers require a mission, as well as leaders. Many are ready to act, but occupying space won't get us to change. What is step #1?