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Matthew 16:21-28: Jesus Has No Part-Time Disciples

Posted: 08/24/2011 7:13 am

Matthew 16:21-28 confronts us with the gap between Jesus' gruesome fate and our own modest discipleship. Jesus' verbs say it all. Deny the self, take up the cross, follow Christ. Moreover, only in losing one's life -- the primary meaning of apollymi is to destroy -- one may save it. And Jesus apparently means it. Judgment, he says, involves "repaying" people according to what they have done. At this moment we are hearing Matthew's distinctive voice: Salvation comes not to those who call Jesus "Lord," but to those who do what he says (7:21-29). The Great Commission involves teaching people "to obey everything that I have commanded you" (28:20). It's a matter of life and death. Disciples are to walk Jesus' grim path.

So we face the chasm between Jesus' call to discipleship and our own lives as part-time volunteers for the Gospel. Few Christians abandon everything for the Gospel's sake. Most of us simply fit our Christianity into the open spots on our calendars. But in this passage Jesus links the life of discipleship with his own path.

This spring, Mark and Katharyn Richt sold their second home, a lakefront property valued at just below $2 million. Best known as head football coach at the University of Georgia, Mark Richt has earned -- if you can call it that -- more than $25 million dollars since taking that position in 2001. He also openly professes his Christian faith and engages in a variety of ministries.

The Richts sold this property so that they could give to anti-poverty work. Mark Richt attributed the decision to the dynamic book "The Hole in Our Gospel" by Richard Stearns, the president of World Vision. Named the "Christian Book of the Year" for 2010, this resource introduces readers to the harsh reality of global and local poverty, pressing the question of how Christians should respond to human suffering in the light of the Gospel. If you're interested, a fully resourced curriculum (DVDs, daily exercises, study guides and the like) supports the book for congregational and small group use.

Some of us might not be all that impressed by the Richts' sacrifice. What does it mean to sacrifice $2 million on an income of more than $3 million per year? "I'll make that sacrifice," the cynic might say.

For my part, I am impressed. Katharyn and Mark Richt clearly understand that the Gospel not only blesses our souls, it also calls us to service that will enrich our lives and bring forth our resources. Following Dietrich Bonhoeffer, my denomination's contemporary statement of faith confesses "the cost and joy of discipleship." The Richts are not just giving money. This summer, they've joined World Vision in a trip to Honduras devoted to the construction of water wells. I fully trust the Richts are experiencing joy in their service.

Matthew 16:21-28 moves from a focus upon Jesus and his vocation to his demands for disciples. Jesus has just congratulated Peter for his recognition that Jesus is "the Messiah, the Son of the living God." Moreover, Jesus' language has intimated authority and privilege: Peter the Rock provides the church's foundation, he receives the keys to the realm of heaven and his earthly authority carries heavenly significance. But now Jesus begins a process of reinterpreting what being the Messiah really means -- and what following that Messiah entails for the disciples. If Peter cannot bear the revelation of Jesus' coming suffering (16:22), how will he respond when the focus shifts to disciples whose fate mimics that of Jesus?

Some readers hardly need to hear this news. Moment by moment, many of us are constantly mindful that we fall far short of Jesus' standard. By contrast, our culture needs the reminder. The prosperity gospel holds greater sway than many of us want to admit. According to a 2006 Time magazine poll, 17 percent of Americans claim allegiance to the movement, while 61 percent agree that God wants us to be prosperous. Maybe our preaching doesn't draw folks who think that way. Then again, we find all sorts of surprising attitudes in our congregations, don't we?

Whatever the threat posed by the prosperity gospel, a more insidious assumption definitely lurks among us: that God wants us to be happy. Countless praise choruses celebrate how much Jesus loves us, how much we love Jesus and how great God is. Self-help books pack the inventories of Christian bookstores. This happiness assumption has sunk so deeply into our collective psyche that even the words of Jesus can hardly challenge it. Are we even capable of hearing that God might call us to radical sacrifice, even to danger? Can Jesus' words get past our ears?

It does no good for preachers to rehearse Jesus' extreme demands while congregations sit in well-cushioned, air-conditioned sanctuaries. Preachers must level with our congregations. Precious few of us lay everything on the line for the Gospel, but neither can we ignore its call.

In 1961 a group of Nashville students resolved to reinforce the Freedom Rides. Two previous busloads of Freedom Riders had already encountered firebombing and severe beatings, and the Nashville students determined that the movement, having commenced, should not be allowed to fail.

No one could deny that these students experienced joy during their trials -- the notorious Bull Connor complained, "I just couldn't stand their singing" -- but these students were fully mindful for the potential cost as well. The night before their departure, they had signed their last will and testaments. Singing hymns after signing one's will: the cost and joy of discipleship.

So what about Mark and Katharyn Richt? Perhaps we can't credit them with suffering for the Gospel. But we can heed their testimony. As Mark Richt put it, "You know what, I don't want to pour money into a home like that when I can use it for better things, for eternal things."

Jesus asked, "For what will it profit them if they gain the whole world but forfeit their life?"

Editor's Note: ON Scripture is a series of Christian scripture commentaries produced in collaboration with Odyssey Networks. Each week pastors from around the country will approach the lectionary text of the week through the lens of current events, providing a religious voice that is both pastoral and prophetic.

 
 
 

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10:32 PM on 09/04/2011
You had me going yell I read " Peter the Rock " Christ was refering to himself. The whole Bible A to Z
refer to God as the Rock. Christ is the Head of Christianity. Not an erroring mortal like Peter. In verse 23 Christ calls Peter "Satan" Peter means small pebble. Certain denominations like to inject things in verses, that aren't there, to nourish their agenda.\
God will recompensate all who wrest the Scriptures
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01:45 PM on 08/29/2011
A good antidote to too much "gospel" that exists in the US (and elsewhere). This "losing of self" is certainly one of the most neglected aspects of Christian discipleship. The largest church in the US is Joel Osteen's, notorious for sermons that are pop-psychology affirmations at best and bluntly heretical at worst; I can only hope and assume that the sort of discipleship this author is talking about is occurring outside of Sunday mornings at Lakewood.
I have often had gay/lesbian commentators say, "God doesn't ask you to give up your heterosexuality!" Well, actually, he does. Likewise to give up my political affiliations, my education, my money, relationships, my safety, self-image and time. Paul said, "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me." What can a crucified man do (except decompose)? I am not passive in my following, as Christ has "returned" to me many of the talents, abilities, and desires that I had before becoming a Christian, but some ambitions and priorities have remained dead (and may stay that way). I don't claim to be a paragon of discipleship, but it was made clear to me from the beginning that everything was potentially "up for grabs". Modern American evangelicalism too often looks to Christ to affirm what is already believed, rather than looking to him for death and rebirth on his terms.
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08:33 PM on 08/25/2011
What strikes me about Jesus' teaching is its resemblance to the Buddhism of five centuries earlier, enough to wonder if he was influenced. Foresake all worldly things, give away everything to the poor, render to Caesar, the rich man cannot enter heaven, consider the lilies of the field, etc etc, even stuff like forgiving your enemies. The Buddha was saying the exact same things, except that his message was clearer. Foresaking this world was the only escape from the wheel of suffering to enter into Nirvana; otherwise you're just going to be reincarnated and do it all over again. Since Jesus never lays out a complete picture, it must all be about the coming of the kingdom of heaven, i.e., end of the world as we know it, which you can't enter into if you're still tied to worldly things, not to mention not yet washed in the blood of the lamb, so to speak. But of course that didn't happen, we're all still stuck here, and most Christians are still waiting. Meanwhile, we're not really lilies of the field, we need our stuff every day to live, and just giving it all away for a life of poverty seems kind of insane. Unless you're a Buddhist, of course. Frankly, I don't think anybody is really clear on just exactly what Jesus was on about, and a bit more discourse on the real point and purposes of the Christianity of the time would certainly have helped a lot.
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09:09 PM on 08/28/2011
I'm a Buddhist who has studied Christianity for years. The resemblance in the teachings of the Buddha and Jesus are remarkable. I believe that some time in the years of Jesus' live that we know little about, he came under the influence of traveling Buddhist monks.
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02:12 PM on 08/29/2011
Although it's not widely appreciated today, the Jerusalem of Jesus' time was a world crossroads, with many religions represented among its transient populations, including, needless to say, a lot of Buddhist streetcorner mendicants with their begging bowls. Jesus would not have had to go outside of Jerusalem or, for that matter, Israel, to be influenced by Buddhist teachings.
01:32 PM on 08/30/2011
Jesus would have not have any teachings intertwined with Buddhist. He would consider that teaching not from his father- Jehovah. Not saying he didn't run across a Buddhist, however, his teachings are not mixed.

Jesus was around before Buddhism came about- btw. Jesus teachings are a reflection of Jehovah Gods teachings.
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03:00 PM on 08/30/2011
I can understand your belief, but there are a couple of points I would question. Firstly, why would Jesus have to be taught by his father Jehovah if he and his father were one? Secondly, in a more practical vein, although Jesus was an observant Jew, his teachings seem to have been regarded by the temple priests as heretical enough to get him crucified.

Finally, I don't know why you would say Jesus was around before Buddhism came out. Buddha lived five hundred years before Jesus, and the Jerusalem of Jesus' time is known to have had plenty of mendicant Buddhist monks wandering around loose.
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07:35 PM on 08/25/2011
I see there little excuse for most not knowing the difference between "true" Christianity and the false that Jesus indicated about some in His day, where at John 8:44, He indicated they were serving His Chief Enemy instead of Him or His Dad
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01:00 PM on 08/25/2011
I don't think it's the emphasis on happiness that is in error, but the source of that happiness. The prosperity gospel preaches God wants us to be prosperous and happy, as consumers of upscale products and services. The happiness Jesus preached is, I think, the happiness that comes of providing service to others, even when doing so causes one great personal pain or monetary loss.

That's a difficult happiness to embrace, but it's one that doesn't fade like last year's fashions.
01:47 PM on 08/25/2011
My opinion. The prosperity gospels are not the gospels hand to us from Jesus which Jesus warns do not accept a gospel that I have not handed to you.  God does not want us to be prosperous consumers of idols the very thing God teaches us not to do. The very thing St Peter warns us all beware is idols, materialism, stuff, does not build any Nations prosperity and why we today are all suffering from, idols do not bring prosperity of God's Blessings ever. Why all great empires fell since the beginning of time, was because they first forgot God is first, their greed, their jealousy, their wars,. Why Babylon fell was because of the idols they built, their large towers, buildings, materialism, their idols, their immorality, their self worship, pride, boasting, gold silver, riches money.

Life and all we ever needed to exist was already given and provided for freely. All our natural resources, the sun that shines, rich soil, plants, with medicine in them, 4 seasons, clean water, seeds and knowledge to replant them, animals, clean air, that was are greatest blessings, that where our prosperity is, it all comes from God. All that God created was good, till man thought it was not good enough, and created things that destroy the great blessings of prosperity God gave us. Our greatest prosperity is the sacred gift of LIFE, to be lived, to experience love, joy, peace, family. We have exchange the greatest wealth, treasure, our greatest prosperity, a Nations, citizens,our sacred gift of Life has been exchanged,  to become of lesser value, for gold, silver, idols, materialism. Nations thousands of years ago, existed without oil, idols, materials and those empires lasted longer then we do today. A Nation that is only over 300 hundred years young is already falling. We were not created to make money, we were created by Love, to Live Life itself, knowing it is our greatest prosperity and to care and take care of our greatest gift,  treasure Life, human beings.

Prosperity gospels are nothing more then self worship, ignoring God, all about you, Jesus was all about God, Jesus knew were are infinite well of prosperity blessings come from only, God. Like God said. I am coming on the terrible day of the Lord, to gather ALL Leaders, from ALL Nations on the day of my wrath, let your gold and silver save you now.
Prosperity gospels, not the gospels handed to us by God, but Prosperity gospels have replaced God's Word, with their own prosperity gospels, that money, idols, self worship are before God. Telling us it is not God who gives blessings and brings about prosperity, but being a consumer, idols, products does, what saves a Nation, trust not in God, but trust rather in products, your idols, your gold silver. Wonder why all are suffering now?
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thegodlessgeneration
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12:28 PM on 08/25/2011
I would find the story of Jesus more interesting if He had disciples from different countries. As if there is anything special about finding 12 disciples from the same region you come from. A man who was sent to save the entire earth, never leaves the region and is followed by 12 people from the region? That makes no sense. Why didn't Jesus have a world tour? Did he really expect the entire earth to follow him based on second-hand accounts? Wouldn't making a guest appearance in Asia, the Americas, and other regions of the world be more effective? Why would a designated world savior limit his activities to one region of the world and expect the rest of us to just 'trust' his followers that it all really happened.

These disciples write about the Golden Rule but Confucius was saying the same thing 500 years before Jesus was even born. In fact, a disciple of Confucius once asked the question, "Is there any one word that could guide a person throughout life?" and Confucius responded, "How about reciprocity: never impose upon others what you would not choose for yourself." He also said, "What you do not wish for yourself, do not to do others." Does this sound familiar?

It never ceases to amaze me that the Savior of the world, was only known by 1% of it and everyone else just has to have faith that it all happened in the first place. Please.
12:54 PM on 08/25/2011
remember going back over 2,000 years ago, no web sights or cars or planes or even knew of other parts of the world but only what they knew saw around them, many coming in from different nations close by, for work trade exit. They lived in caves, stone walls with little shelter around them. travel by foot, donkeys" camels? Times were not like today and God had a plan, came in the heart, center of the world at that time, Egypt, door , Assyrian door, African door south, European door, take ones pick. A door openings there to enter into or leave from. Till God gets heard all over the earth in all direction. God is all infinite wisdom knows what he is doing. And God has set the clock the Time when it will be enough is enough. Like Jesus said. The time for such ignorance is over. Then it will be over.
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01:06 PM on 08/25/2011
With no door to Asia or South America which clearly had a robust society and thousands of years of cultural history?

Even though people didn't know of other parts of the world, Jesus should have because Jesus, like God, knew more than people. Therefore, Jesus should have spoken about all regions of the earth and, at least, traveled to other countries for a visit. To imply that Jesus' knowledge was limited, doesn't bode well for him being the Son of God and all. God should have mentioned more parts of the world. It's still pointless to be at the 'door' of other regions without actually visiting these regions.

I'm not sure how you can classify Jesus' location as the center of the world? What about South America, North America, Asia, and all of the other places that were just as culturally rich as the Middle East? Was everyone in South America or Japan just supposed to wait for missionaries to come explain the story of Jesus? It would have been much easier for Jesus to visit these places and establish himself as the true Savior of the World. Yet, his passport stamps were minimal.

The Mayan civilization was established around 2,000 BC; I think people often forget that other people lived on the planet during 'bible time' and were just as culturally significant as those mentioned in the Bible itself.
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08:11 PM on 08/25/2011
Jesus never intended to save the world. His was originally a messianic mission amongst the Jews. The save the world stuff got edited in later.
12:45 AM on 08/26/2011
correct, people today are taught a mixed up version that combines two different gospels concerning two different groups of people in two different programs for two different purposes. once you separate the two according to the divisions God put there then the bible becomes a open book revealing his plan and purpose from beginning to end.
09:40 AM on 08/26/2011
He came to the Jews FIRST, then to the Gentiles.
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11:10 AM on 08/25/2011
Well...there was Judas......
11:02 AM on 08/25/2011
Just my opinion. God is not half and half or part time God, nor is anyone a part time disciple can ever become or are a  true disciples of God either. But Jesus calls them what? Hypocrites? did Jesus  not on the temple porch?  Not only because they were selling  wares idols were being sold,  but that within they were allowing it, number one to take place in the house of God and on his holy ground, for $$$. One cannot serve 2 masters, or be part time can they?

Where they part time for God? and part time for $$$? Who were they collaborating with on the outside, behind closed doors? Cannot serve 2 masters. God said:  "A house divided (part timers?) cannot stand". Jesus knew them both well, did he not? He had no palls in Government, for Government in Jesus time ruled over the Temple also, they needed permission from them, to put one to death Jesus for one and was not Roman rulers and some priest working together behind closed doors? Why did Jesus said:, "in 3 days I will destroy this temple and in 3 days build it back up? Jesus was talking  about establishing a - Spiritual Church of God,  God's Spiritual Temple, Church on earth now.

God said. Do you not know you ( me, you, mankind)  are the Temple of the Lord?  Jesus did not come to establish a new religion but a new Spiritual Temple Church are earth. Jesus identified God's new Temple, new Church on earth, is not a building made of bricks or stones, but a living, church, -us, each one of us, you, me  who belief accept God's Word as Truth, God's Government Laws, are the Temple, Spiritual living Church of God.  God does not sit in a building all day, God has placed himself, God who is our real Divine authority over us. God has  placed himself within every heart to know and understand right from wrong. What Jesus came to teach us. God said: "But you do not ask ME, or seek ME, or knock at my door" we trust rather in man, to teach us, instead of God.
10:27 AM on 08/25/2011
At the time of Jesus Priest where also men head of their families, theses men called Priest also had to go into the temple and serve their time, every years for so many weeks scheduled and others then came in to serve their time also. Not like today, theses men who were called priest were married and after serving their time in the temple went home and labored taking care of their families. Only ones who remained full time were the High Priest, the one who only could go in and out of the Holy of Holies, the Priest known also as  chief Stewards that remain within the temple held the keys, locked and open doors, served within the care of the temple,  served the High Priest as priest, always. I think 70 Elders of the Temple remained. Not like today, priest not full time, cannot be married, and remained with thechurch full time. John the Baptize was one of them, a Priest also, when his time of service as a Priest within the Temple for the year required, John Baptize went out labored if married and why on the outside John B was preaching repentance.

There were married woman thought as Virgins, because of the purity of living a holy life, served also within the temple, sewing, cleaning cooking, tending to the needs of the temple also. They had children and labored also within the needs of their family while not serving in the temple.
10:22 AM on 08/25/2011
"Judgment, he says, involves "repaying" people according to what they have done." This sounds like an eye for an eye. My sunday school lessions were many years ago but I thought that Jesus said an eye for an eye was the old law and he gave us a new law.
12:22 PM on 08/25/2011
Funny if those who want to return to Leviticus Laws oh my, will be screaming if such a thing happened all would be doom every one of us have broken one or another Leviticus Law. And the only ones who would not be stoned to death would be homosexuals for they were called only an abomination not called to be stoned to death. Abomination its meaning in Greek and Hebrew means , doing that which is not pleasing to God. We all could be stone to death also. If one marries and is not a virgin, has to be stone to death, a woman who has worn 2 different threads had to be stone to death. A father had to sell his daughter as a slave for the highest Price, many many more.

No one who commits mu*der is not to be stone to death. Those who are saying God is talking to them, better ask which god it is talking to them. And those who want to go by Leviticus Laws cannot be cherry pickers either, all Leviticus laws or none at all. For they would be do more harm to themselves breaking more laws, liars, those who judge others etc are all sins punishable by God. Funny sinners judging sinners who cannot even save themselves.
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09:52 AM on 08/25/2011
Christ tells us we must 'hate' our entire family, and even our own life, if we want to be one of His disciples. (Luke 14:26)
Those who abandon their families will be rewarded. (Matthew 19:29)
"For I am come to set man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother... And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." (Christ - Matthew 10:35-36)
"I came not to send peace, but a sword" (Christ - Matthew 10:34)
If you don't have a sword, sell your clothes to buy one. (Luke 22:36)
Christ cursed a fig tree for not bearing fruit in off-season. (Mark 11:12-14, 20-21)
Christ didn't want to help a girl because she was a "dog" gentile. (Matthew 15:22-28)

Of course, there are several good passages in the Bible, the ones that are carefully selected by a minister for Sunday readings, but (and pardon the analogy) if you find some chocolate in a pile of dung, you don't eat it, right? No. The good is tainted by the bad that surrounds it.
11:52 AM on 08/25/2011
First God is not talking about a physical sword, the weapon, The Word of God is our-Sword that saves us, God's sayings for all to live by. God said: "Those who use the sword (physical sword weapon) will also die by the sword". Jesus carried NO sword.  A Nation only military are to carry weapons and only go to war, if attacked, only for protection, not start wars either. 

And know this Jesus wrote nothing down nor did his apostles, by all was written years after, found in different times, in different places, in different languages, and by unknown authors, it was years later that only disciples names were attached later,  no prove has anyone that the disciples wrote any of theses gospels, except Paul or maybe John. Paul did not even walk with Jesus while he was on earth, or even states in his letters, he even knew Jesus while alive. Paul speaks of the last supper but was NOT present either. And all 4 gospels have a different saying of the last supper, Mark said Jesus took up 1 cup of wine, Luke says 2 cups of wine, and all know not the Passover meal, now, for there is 4 cups of wine and a meal, meat also. No meat, only wine and bread and was done on the Feast of unleaven bread, 2 days away from the Passover still.  Now also scholars say some were maybe even  added to. Or something put in them after the fact also the gospels and some writings.. 

And this is a fact many forgeries were taken place, they made money from them, selling them claiming to be disciples writings, or those saying they were present were never present.

Why just great heated debates went on, had hundreds if not thousands of writings    

God is not a hypocrite tells us Love thy neighbor, Love they enemy as I have love you then tell us to hate our entire family. God does not command us not to k1ll then tell us to go out an k1ll. God would be a liar, a transgressor of his own laws. And if one wants to hold onto Leviticus laws, then this is a Leviticus Laws, if one gets married, and the bride is not a virgin, found out later, not a virgin,  she must be stoned to death? Oh my.  Or how about this Leviticus Law, A Father is to sell his daughter for the highest price as a slave? Oh, my . Or how about this Leviticus Law, if a woman wears two different threads, she is to be stone to death. So what does one do call the police or do her children do it themselves? As was played out on TV called the West Wing of the White House,TV   series.
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08:29 PM on 08/27/2011
i commend you in quoting passages as you did. would the good be, that we as humans, might agree with it, and.... the bad that we do not? the thing about the Bible is.... it has to be all or nothing.
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07:52 AM on 08/25/2011
If jesus was operating where I live and in today’s economy he would forbid overtime, fire all 12 disciples and hire them back as part-time to cut medical and dental coverage, hire a third more disciples to fill the shift gaps and systematically fire them as they neared their first job review so he wouldn’t have to raise their salaries.
12:06 PM on 08/25/2011
Would not need to call anyone back I believe God His Government and His Laws would stand as he said forever. Ten Commandments, Alien Rights, No one banks, for no one is to loan with interest on his own fellow countrymen. And taxes would be gone, Caesar created them, for his own ill gotten wealth, and the rich would return to giving tithes, those who have been blessed then  much are to give much or else, saw what happen to that married rich couple who tried to hide half their wealth, they both died before the feet of Moses, No Moses takes no bribes, one set of laws for all mankind to obey and fallow. And no one would steal or defraud a laborer of his or her true wages. A honest days work for a honest day pay, and add to be paid that day before sunset, for all have to eat. Greed would not exist and gold and silver, which are idols would be no more. Even those who had little were required to give from the little they have also to the poor. And God would not need congress, for what God demands set forth needs no congress vote, just like Moses it became Law. Oh happy days for all when God returns. For God is a Righteous God who distributes equality rights for all and for all to share in all that has been freely given. So no one can boast. And corporations are now a person, OH my my.Those who have defined the very Image of God, all human beings who were created in the sacred Image of God himself, what till the True Judge, judges the judges? Oh my.
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If I damn yer POV will u turn the other cheek?
03:35 AM on 08/26/2011
My post is what secularists call "tongue in cheek".

But good luck living in the past while waiting for that bus that never seems to arrive.
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08:32 PM on 08/27/2011
what you said was right... less the name Jesus. it is what is happening in alot of places in america now, but, Jesus has nothing to do with it. Jesus is not a company, He is the Savior.
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03:12 AM on 08/25/2011
Dr. Carey makes the assumption that the disciples are equal to Jesus. Hardly! Jesus is the son of God. The disciples were regular Joe s.

To place the same Death Wish Jesus volunteered for onto a human is not a just cause. Jesus obeyed the ultimatum of God for human sacrifice. Then Jesus puts the same ultimatum on his followers.

The problem is that these followers are not the Son of God. Hence, the demand to resign to persecution is an unjust requirement.
01:22 PM on 08/25/2011
Remember who we think is greater or less is not so with God. For even Jesus said. John the Baptizer was the greatest man born of woman, but even the least in heaven are greater then John the Baptize. That is the problem I believe with mankind all of us, we think this one is greater because of this or that. Not true, we think because one has more money in the bank is more of value then one who has no money in the bank, does not work that way with God, God measures not by our pocket book, or where we stand on earth, is not God's math or measures, but only mans measure. Jesus said the old lady at the back of the pew gave more then the rich man in the first pew, who gave much only,  out of his ill gotten gains, his overflow, to be seen, look at me, I am important, I should be honored. False disciples,  God knows the hearts, minds, thoughts of man, their pure intentions from the heart why they give. The old woman gave all she had, her last to 2 coins, not knowing how she was even going to eat that day. That woman gave her all, it was very little, but to God gave much much more,  far more then the rich, whom God judged him  giving nothing at all. There are those in this world who get no recgonition at all, or who ever seek the desire to be honored, or even known by others,  who have done far far greater greater things in this world, in the eyes of God. They will sit on thrones of glory in the presents of the Lord. 
02:14 AM on 08/25/2011
Jesus Has No Part-Time Disciples.

Of course not - he wants them to have full medical coverage.
01:59 AM on 08/25/2011
Religion is a product of language and cannot exist without language. Language is an invention and is, therefore, artificial, unnatural and unreal. Everything created by or through the use of language must, likewise, be artificial, unnatural and unreal. Gods, sons of gods, angels, devils, messiahs, saviours, miracles, saints and prophets are all products of lagnguage and, consequently, are artificial, unnatural and unreal.
03:05 PM on 08/25/2011
All that God created was spoken-Word-orally so language to me only is not artificial many thousands of years ago Nations ruled only orally. God spoken the word orally directly in visions to his chosen ones, wrote nothing down. Nations ruled orally and to memory their laws and knowledge of God by songs, that were then taught to their children, children repeated for generations. Not till man took pen to hand did chaos and divisions enter into. All knew before that the sayings words of God were engraved within their hearts to memory. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with him. 
All came to exist was created by God's spoken Word, orally, Let there be and then it was, existed.