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UFO Hunter William J. Birnes Talks Aliens and Apollo 18

Posted: 09/04/11 07:09 PM ET

There's a new thriller out this weekend, concerning the 18th Apollo mission to the moon (and the scary things which, in 1974, allegedly occurred there), and there is some speculation on the part of its producers as to whether the footage is "real" or not. Okay, Messrs. Weinstein, fair enough. We'll run with that. I've had a look at the trailer for Apollo 18 and, apart from its outer space setting, it features a montage of two lunkheads going crazy and yelling and smashing stuff. Either this is a movie about a covert lunar landing gone horribly awry -- or it's a metaphor for what happens when you blindly pick a roommate off Craigslist.

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Roommate from Hell?
image courtesy of Dimension Films


But anyway, they wouldn't show us Apollo 18 in advance -- and it seemed a stretch to review the excellent They Might Be Giants album of the same name -- so instead I spoke with author (Unsolved UFO Mysteries, Star Trek Cookbook), behavioralist/sociologist and extraterrestrial scholar (publisher of UFO Magazine, host of History Channel's UFO Hunters) William J. Birnes, who enthusiastically answered my questions as to whether or not there are really any nasty bugaboos wandering around on that big pretty orb in the sky where we humans fleetingly used to go but mysteriously don't go anymore.

Mr. Birnes proves immediately engaging, as this material falls well within his best-known field of expertise. The man also knows his movies (we talk classics: The Day the Earth Stood Still, Earth vs. the Flying Saucers, Invasion of the Body Snatchers), thus it is with considerable effort that I withhold my Pink Floyd/Wizard of Oz question, and instead ask him whether or not the U.S. government covertly sustains a presence on the dark side of the moon.

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William J. Birnes
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Here's what we know for fact -- that the dark side of the moon is very different topographically, and probably geologically, from the side of the moon that faces us. There is very good science behind the theory that Earth -- many, many, many moons ago, obviously -- had two moons: our moon that we have today, which was different then than it is now, probably a lot closer; and another, much smaller moon, that because of its erratic orbit, at the formation of the solar system, crashed into the moon we have now, which is why the dark side of the moon is kind of elongated, and different geologically from the side of the moon that faces us.

The celebrated UFO-ologist then cites his book, The Day After Roswell, regarding the U.S. Army planning a fully functional lunar military base ("Project Horizon") on the dark side of the moon, dating back to 1954. Intriguing! (Plus we get a cool Space: 1999 nod in there.) But oh, does it get better. Let's talk aliens.

"I do believe that at least part of what those plans were about," continues Mr. Birnes, "was for a strategic planetary defense against UFOs. And you'll say, 'Bill, you're out of your mind. What are you saying? Where's the evidence?' Well, here's the evidence: In 1952 -- again, this is not speculation -- there literally was a flying-saucer invasion over Washington, D.C." Referencing another of his books (Aliens in America), the watcher-of-skies recounts USAF General John Sanford telling America the UFOs were bogus; then, four years later, Project Blue Book leader USAF Captain Edward Ruppelt refuting Sanford's alleged cover-up, telling America that, yes, indeed, the invasion was real. Mr. Birnes also assures me that Eisenhower (with Churchill in tow) personally observed (and covered up) a UFO encounter over the North Sea. (Incidentally, be warned: You can blow a whole day viewing clips of this stuff on YouTube.)

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"Alas, poor Yakov!"
image courtesy of Dimension Films


But I want to know about the aliens. Do they like us? Do they hate us? Do they think we're merely stupid primates, placed here to entertain them?

William J. Birnes deftly deflects my (standard-issue) question regarding why, if aliens are real, they don't just land in suburbia in broad daylight and say hello. (He figures they're not terribly interested in us. Perhaps they've seen Jersey Shore?) But moreover -- and this actually makes some strange sense -- he espouses the theory that there are many species of alien, some benign, some hostile, intermingling with our collective human experience. These tangents prove fascinating -- Biblical, Native American, even genetic -- however I must steer us back toward the moon.

Former NASA photo-lab employee Donna (Teitze) Hare comes up, as Mr. Birnes notes her testimony that NASA routinely airbrushed out any and all alien details (spaceships, lunar buildings); and further, that the aliens made it very clear to NASA not to return to the moon -- especially to its dark side. Back in the mid-'60s, an Air Force technician friend of Mr. Birnes (whom he protectively grants anonymity) is cited to have lucked into viewing more photos of structures on the moon. I want to know: alien or terrestrial construction? "Well, that's the thing!" exclaims the specialist. "They were kind of circular, dome-like structures -- it didn't look like the campus of Microsoft. Did they look alien? Yeah, they looked ultra-modern, like beyond Frank Lloyd Wright." Further, the tech's very life may have been endangered by viewing the highly classified materials. Spooky!

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Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, as "The Moon"
image courtesy of Dimension Films


But we're talking about a movie here. I bring up the theory that perhaps the first manned lunar landing was a clever hoax (Please, Mr. Aldrin! Just theorizing! Ow!) -- you know, that it was simply Stanley Kubrick filming the astronauts on a soundstage -- which is, um, exactly what the movie Apollo 18 is; minus Kubrick; plus director Gonzalo López-Gallego (Please, Mr. Weinstein! Just stating facts! Ow!) -- and Mr. Birnes has astute words for this notion as well.

"I don't believe those arguments that we never made it to the moon," he says. "There's another theory that we actually made it to the moon, did secret stuff on the moon, but Stanley Kubrick filmed other things as a cover for the secret stuff we were doing. I think that's more likely."

Alien lunar bases? Covert U.S. government lunar bases? Both? Does one hand (NASA) not know what the other hand (the military) is doing? I don't know, and Apollo 18 didn't have a midnight screening -- but Mr. Birnes does have some strong feelings about humankind going back to the moon:

Obviously there's some policy reason we're not doing it -- whether it's, 'We don't want to fight with the extraterrestrials,' or whether Obama is leading from behind, and letting the Russians, the Indians and the Chinese go first, you know: 'You guys get your ass kicked! Why should we?' My attitude is, I think that when you look at the missions that are being contemplated now -- 2025 to an asteroid; and 2030 to Mars -- it would've been far more efficacious for us to have kept going to the moon! Build that moon base! Establish a permanent base on the moon! Why fight with the Russians and the Chinese? C'mon, guys! You've got money! We all want the minerals. We're not gonna kill each other. We've had nuclear weapons aimed at each other since 1948, we haven't used 'em, why would we use 'em on the moon? That's dumb. Let's all make some money here! I mean, the moon's great! I would've continued on the moon. I would've built international spaceships, and I already would've been exploring some of the solar system by now -- thirty, forty years after the last Apollo mission. It makes absolutely no sense that we stopped going to the moon.

Now, with thanks to Mr. Birnes and noting of course that I am quite happily an Earthling, herein delivering an entertainment piece entirely devoid of any personal opinions on the subject of aliens and those shady government guys who love to tussle with them, I invite our HuffPost readers to opine about Apollo 18 and associated topics in the Comments section.

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R.W. Sanders
Numerous questions, too little expertise
08:35 PM on 10/03/2011
It has been claimed that the attitude of ridicule ascribed to anyone who even suggests that ufo's might be extraterrestrial, is a governmental misinformation campaign. They say it was designed to both cover up contact, and to disguise black projects of our own. Both ideas make sense. But I also think that it is time for a serious scientific study of this phenomena. Far too many credible people attest to observing ufo's. And anything is possible until we scientifically begin to eliminate hypotheses. But in order for any investigation to be accepted by the majority, it must be open to the public with no restrictions. If any part of the investigation were to be kept unobservable by the public, the investigation would lose all credibility, and would just be thrown on the woodpile of other investigations like Blue Book.

One thing I am very skeptical of, is how so many "investigators" are more concerned with generating income than exposing scientific facts. Many come off like snake oil salesmen, and give the legitimate investigators a bad name. There are many highly qualified investigators, like Stanton Friedman, making a serious effort to enlighten, but there are far more who see an opportunity to make an easy buck. So if you want me to believe you, don't ask me to subscribe to your website or to send money for any reason. And like the government, don't pee on my boots and try to tell me it's raining.
02:30 AM on 09/17/2011
How about a poem? I looked online for one. Maybe I didn't dig deep enough. I guess I should spend a few thousand words mocking you for it. That is the model, right?
08:25 PM on 09/15/2011
ET gives you this answer:
There is MASSIVE RELUCTANCE on the part of Extraterrestrials to engage with human beings - other than a miniscule minority who CAN / ARE WILLING to handle the "contact" openly, harmlessly, peacefully and honourably.
For YEARS We 've been alerting people to the increasingly precarious / disastrous State of Affairs/State of Environment on Planet Earth - YOUR rightful home planet and where YOU HUMAN BEINGS HOLD THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT ALL.
YOU have the free wills / choices. WE are willing to assist - ONLY where the assistance IS freely WELCOMED and where you honourably treat US well for bothering to make the effort. It does NOT WORK if on one hand, you want to take anything /everything you can get, take, steal - but on the other hand, treat US like a bunch of Cosmic (fill space with four letter word starting with "S"). ETs are NOT self-sacrificial beings , willing to forfeit their integrity in order to benefit/serve yours. Human beings NEED TO GROW UP. IF human beings are unable/unwilling to do this, then it is Cosmic "Law" that WE do NOT override the individual/collective choices - even IF those choices are disastrous for the human being. WE are NOT Saviours/Messiahs. WE are WILLING to assist YOU to be your OWN Saviours/Messiahs.
Put your vast positive energies into focusing on the rapidly disintegrating Life on Planet Earth - which shows ALL signs of cracking apart at the seams.
ELOHIM
11:00 PM on 09/13/2011
I enjoyed this tongue-in-cheek 'entertainment' piece in the "Weird news" section of HP.
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Areyoukiddingg
We need a Reset
10:55 PM on 09/13/2011
As a person who has experienced close encounters of the 2nd kind and has been "exposed" to ufo's and paranormal stuff all my live, I can testify that UFO's are indeed real. I don't know whether they're shifting between dimensions, time travel, from other universes, or from Mars. But they're here and they've been here for a very long time. Read Zecharia Sitchin. The ancient Sumerians tell the story. We've been misled and lied to about our history as a race. This is way beyond what Bill Birnes admits openly. And I have a lot of respect for him as well as Linda Moulton Howe and the other UFO researchers. They're combating a veil of secrecy that has been described as the "greatest classified secret of all time". The movie Independence Day was probably based on truth.
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FactsvsFear
01:41 AM on 09/10/2011
I don't know the answer to this and will just ask why. Why do we have space stations and international space stations floating dangerously in open space? Why did we not build a station on the Moon? Solid ground. Some degree of gravity. By now we could have had some seriously cool bases. Seems strange that we said nope lets do it floating in space. You think we America being the type of country we are would have wanted to lay claim to the territory. There are so many good reasons to do this. Can anyone give some insight on this that may know more about NASA protocol? Oh and a Hubble! Why not a massive telescope like that on the Moon? Why?!
05:51 AM on 09/11/2011
good point. it does make you wonder why humanity never returned to the moon after the 'supposed' initial moon landings... if we had the technology to send manned missions there over 4 decades ago, why on earth (no pun intended) have we not yet returned. i've got a hunch, and it is nothing more than that. speculation. but i suspect the fact that we haven't gone back is part of the so called "UFO cover up"... NASA can't send more manned missions there because if they did it would be close to impossible to hide the truth from the public: intelligent extra terrestrial life. other civilizations millions of years more advanced than we are have probably already colonized the moon as a means of keeping us on earth. until we learn to stop our murderous ways... if our history is anything to go by, it would be a galactic catastrophe if we managed to get off of planet earth. which is probably why, despite visiting us, ETs haven't communicated directly yet... why would intelligent beings waste their time talking to a civilization that can't even take care of their own planet?
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EcnelisDoogod
B the change you want 2C
01:15 PM on 09/11/2011
Agree except that crop circles may be a form of communication from our friends. Some have suggested these are instructions. Personally, I entertain the idea of ET hooliganism.
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cowanln
There are worse things than
10:36 AM on 09/14/2011
One reason I read recently was once we got to the moon we immediatley started thinking bigger. In the black world apparently we have tech that the average person can't imagine. So going to the moon wasn't important anymore. Alpha Centari was much more interesting. Boyd Bushman (Boening Engineer retired) Said "Anything you can think of has already been put to production".
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Demitasse
Ars longa, vita brevis
07:22 PM on 09/11/2011
Space station wasn't built on the moon because there never was a plan (or money) for it. The original goal was to go to the moon; there was nothing on the drawing board to build a permanent settlement there. One of the manyreasons Apollo was cancelled was because of Skylab, the NASA space station that was in orbit between 1973 to 1979. Skylab was originally planned with the help of the Air Force, but the Air Force broke off & went a separate route & concentrated on their own space station: Manned Orbital Laboratory. The MOL was cancelled in 1969. The Russians also had something similar to the MOL in the 70s.

That's what's on the record. As for what is still classified & off the record, well that's anybody's guess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canceled_Apollo_missions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylab
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manned_Orbital_Laboratory
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Gregory Weinkauf
11:37 PM on 09/06/2011
Hi. As stated, this is an entertainment piece (concerning the general theme of a movie which apparently has gone largely unseen). It was also a bit of a rush-job. But when it comes to being, you know, "uninformed" about *the possible existence of aliens and flying saucers*, I can only say this: I asked Bigfoot about it, but he just got that distant look in his eyes and changed the subject.

Enjoy the mystery!
06:44 AM on 09/08/2011
mystery? what mystery? with an open mind it seems pretty obvious. countless legitimate and respectable professionals have attested to sightings of UFO's. (see The Disclosure Project) high ranking air force personnel, defense contractors, experienced pilots, air traffic controllers, etc., etc. there is only two possible conclusions. either they are all lying OR extra terrestrials exist and sometimes they travel in what we would call UFO's... the subject only remains a "mystery" because of the way we treat it. we prefer it that way. people do not like new and uncomfortable truths. since time immemorial new breakthroughs have been ridiculed. i respect the fact that you choose to call this "an entertainment piece" and i do not in any way want to belittle your work, i actually enjoyed reading it. thank you for that! but treating the subject as entertainment is precisely the problem. would you write an "entertainment piece" about cancer? you must understand that to people like me it is a painful experience to see the subject of UFO's being treated, ONCE AGAIN, as nothing more than sci-fi entertainment. It is about time that stories about UFO's are moved from the 'weird news' section to the front page. It is without any shiver of a doubt THE BIGGEST news story of our time. WE ARE NOT ALONE. imagine the ramifications. and, once again, without any disrespect, that deserves more than just tongue in the cheek humour. please consider writing a serious piece next time...
04:52 AM on 09/09/2011
Mr. Weinkauf, I understand you probably did this piece in uninformed, good-natured fun, and probably don't understand where much of the hostility toward it comes from. But please do try to understand how we see this matter.

In 100,000 years, IF humanity has survived, in their most basic history instruction, there will be much discussion about perhaps 3 of the most important moments in human history:

1. When man began using his tools to make better tools.
2. When man establishes permanent, self-sufficient offworld colonies, thereby ensuring the effective immortality of the species.
And
3. First contact with a sentient technological species not originating from human worlds.

There is considerable evidence that points to the idea that the third event has begun, and is BEING HIDDEN from humanity at large by power-mad, self-interested parties, behind disinformation and ridicule of any who would even seriously ask the question.

That is a crime against human knowledge and understanding that makes the burning of the library of Alexandria seem like a toddler tearing up her 'Where's Waldo?' book in a fit of childish anger.

We understand that most people believe it's all jokes and hoaxers, but it's been 60-70 years since this subject became widely discussed, and the alleged prank on the world supposedly began. So after all this time, I have to ask: Do you see us laughing?
02:37 PM on 09/06/2011
I suspect if Gregory Weinkauf were to try to get his uninformed tongue any further into his insouciant cheek he would, indeed, strangle on it. I hope he's a better dancer.

@ Khameleon808 -- I am beside myself with astonishment that you could be so incredibly exact in your outlook, seeing things as you do... and so precisely... one hundred and eighty degrees out of phase!
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thinkingwomanmillstone
My life is microbiodegradable.
09:34 AM on 09/06/2011
I think that Mr. Birnes and his cohorts could work part time as the science advisors to the Tea Party candidates. Paranoia and conspiracy theories are no substitute for fact.
04:11 AM on 09/09/2011
I really feel your statement needs to be answered in some way. If the facts surrounding such incidents are clearly manipulated, and obfuscated, then what is an investigator left with? Theory, based upon available, confirmed fact.

You don't need all of a puzzle's pieces to see the overall picture once you assemble what's there.

And finally, your comment about paranoia implies that there aren't countless documented and confirmed examples of precisely why the U.S. government cannot in any way be held as trustworthy. And further, consider the bumper-sticker wisdom of:

"Just because you're acting paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you."

It's a cliche for a reason, you know...
05:01 AM on 09/06/2011
This case made big news in Turkey and in other countries as well, but western news never did any coverage. It also started a great debate between the official members of the Turkish scientific community. Other analysis were done by video specialists and special effect companies from Japan, Russia and Turkey, all ending up with the same conclusions that it remains unexplained.

Read Here:
www.turkeyufocase.blogspot.com


http://turkeyufocase.blogspot.com/p/tubiak-report.html
01:31 AM on 09/06/2011
The Day after Roswell is Birnes book? Seriously? Please, check your facts before you write.
05:30 PM on 09/06/2011
Sorry, dude, Birnes is listed on the book jacket as a co-author. Seriously.
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cowanln
There are worse things than
10:40 AM on 09/14/2011
I never knew that. I thought Phillip Corso Authored that book alone. Thanks for the info
01:14 PM on 09/05/2011
Wow! Gee wiz! What a totally pointless article (oh gosh, please, Mr.Weinkauf, so sorry, ow!). Was this a discussion of a movie or of ET on the dark side of the moon? And what's with the bemused and condescending tone? And why the many sci-fi references crammed in for no apparent reason? That was really 'spooky', dude.

This is yet another reason why anyone interested in the subject of the UFO has to avoid mainstream commentary. The continued infantilization of the subject is nauseating. Rather than UFO celebrity Bill Birnes, might I suggest a talk with journalist Leslie Keane, or the Disclosure Project's Dr. Steven Greer? Unless, of course, you'd rather keep the suject fit only for sarcastic derision (not, gee wiz, that that was your intent, holy cow, heaven forbid!!).
09:31 PM on 09/05/2011
Bravo, very well said. One would have to search long and hard to find a UFO "expert" with less credibility than Bill Birnes, whose TV show is hysterically irresponsible, relying on the mantra "could have" instead of hard facts and solid testimony. Ms. Keane, Steven Greer and Stanton Friedman are far more credible.

I believe there is ample evidence of the existence of unidentified craft having been in our skies regularly for the past six decades. But I only give credence to those who put their very valuable reputations and their jobs at risk by making such reports... pilots, ground controllers, police officers, etc.

I wouldn't believe Bill Birnes if he told me the sun was coming up tomorrow morning... and to anyone who takes that as an extreme comment, just take a look at a few issues of his magazine.
05:13 PM on 09/06/2011
Thanks. Much appreciated. I remember having such high hopes when The History Channel announced "UFO Hunters". Wow, what a waste of air time. I don't recall them ever reaching any definite conclusion about anything. And then, most distracting, they'd be out in the middle of the desert, everyone is wearing a t-shirt except Birnes who's got his usual 18 layers of shirts, sweaters, jackets, hat, and dark glasses. Incredible.
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cuoi
The obstacle is the path
12:17 PM on 09/05/2011
Surfing dog, fat ladies, cop having sex on car hood...there must be a reason why this article is in the same bucket...what could it be?
09:45 AM on 09/05/2011
I clearly remember, when the fist shuttle was brought out and put on public display, NASA announced that there would also be a military shuttle program operating in an undisclosed location. This was announced on public TV, million of Americans heard it and saw it. Talk about military secrets, whats been going on that we don't know about? No one has bothered to find this undisclosed location? How much money has been spent on this secret shuttle program? I believe we are already on the moon and our government knows alot more than its telling us.
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cuoi
The obstacle is the path
12:16 PM on 09/05/2011
Military has wrapped the world with specialized satellites. These may be controlled anywhere in the world. Computer gamers? Future "Space Spooks"...
06:06 PM on 09/06/2011
Mark, I have no doubt you 'clearly remember' this, as do so many other sincere, eager recounters of alien encounter stories -- but in this case we actually can calibrate the credibility earned by a rememberer's sincerity: zero. It was always public knowledge that a second shuttle launch site was being built at Vandenberg AFB for polar orbit missions [mostly but by no means all military in nature], but it was cancelled after Challenger when the required performance upgrades were found to be too dangerous. The common factor with Apollo-18? You can't hide the launch of such a big rocket.
06:19 AM on 09/08/2011
a lot of stuff, some of it much bigger than Apollo 18 rockets, can and does remain hidden... but before you do, don't. in this case there is probably no point in asking: "what is bigger than Apollo rockets and remains hidden?" because you would just laugh at my answer...
08:24 AM on 09/05/2011
Whether you like Bill Birnes or not, the man deserves some credit for his tenacity on the subject.

'Ancient Aliens' by Giorgio Tsoukalos - now *there's* a great series.