The Housing Market Is Nowhere Near Bottom

Posted March 7, 2008 | 06:54 AM (EST)



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Housing has been deteriorating for the last two years. News from yesterday indicates the market stands a very good chance of getting worse.

From the WSJ:

Among the latest trouble signals, the number of American homes entering foreclosure rose to the highest level on record in the fourth quarter of 2007. Meanwhile, homeowners' share of the equity in their homes fell to a post-World War II low.

Let's think about those facts for a minute.

1.) Foreclosures are at a record high. More Americans are defaulting on their loans at the highest rate ever recorded. That is not a good sign. And that number stands a good possibility of getting worse.

Economy.com estimates 8.8 million homeowners, or about 10 percent of homes, will have zero or negative equity by the end of the month. Even more disturbing, about 13.8 million households will be "upside down" if prices fall 20 percent from their peak. The latest Standard & Poor's/Case-Shiller index showed U.S. home prices plunging 8.9 percent in the final quarter of 2007 compared with a year earlier.

Currently, the situation is already terrible:

According to the Mortgage Bankers Association, more than 2% of the nation's about 46 million mortgage loans were in the foreclosure process in the fourth quarter, and 0.83% of loans entered the process. Both figures are the highest since the industry group started keeping track in 1972.

2.) Homeowners equity is at the lowest level in the post-WWII era. That means banks and financing companies now own more of the US housing market than private individuals.

Let's add another piece to the puzzle:


The share of delinquent mortgages rose to 5.82%, the most since 1985. Payments at least 30 days overdue are deemed delinquent.

And this has led to a decline in individual net worth:

The total wealth of American households slipped about $533 billion to $57.7 trillion in the fourth quarter, the first drop since 2002, the Fed said. Central to the decline: The value of housing-related assets -- including those that are mortgaged -- fell by $170 billion to $20.2 trillion while the value of other financial assets, such as stocks, dropped by $254 billion to $45.3 trillion.

The Fed uses a home-price index compiled by the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight that some critics say understates the drop in home values. Using the popular S&P/Case-Shiller index of home prices, total household wealth would have dropped by $1.4 trillion during the quarter, said J.P. Morgan's Mr. Feroli.

According to the Mortgage Bankers Association, more than 2% of the nation's about 46 million mortgage loans were in the foreclosure process in the fourth quarter, and 0.83% of loans entered the process. Both figures are the highest since the industry group started keeping track in 1972.

This is what happens when you base your economy on record low interest rates leading to speculative excesses. As the asset's increase in price everybody is fat and happy. But when prices fall, you have problems. Big problems.

And the problems are starting to spread into other areas to the economy.

Officials in Vallejo, California hammered out a financial agreement late on Thursday with police and fire-fighters that may allow the cash-strapped former Navy town to avoid becoming the first sizeable city in the state to file for bankruptcy.

Why was this California city on the verge of bankruptcy? Like many municipalities, they rely on property taxes for their financing.

Blue-collar Vallejo's economy long relied on the U.S. Navy's neighboring Mare Island shipyard. When the Navy closed the base in the mid-1990s, Vallejo became a bedroom community.

Property taxes were healthy when California's housing market was running hot earlier this decade, but recently those revenues have been on the slide along with demand for housing.

Vallejo, with a population of roughly 130,000, now is in one of the region's hardest hit housing markets. Like other markets where home purchases were financed with risky mortgages in recent years, foreclosures are on the rise.

This Vallejo is alone? Think again.

So -- will this problem end soon? Very doubtful. Here is a chart of home prices according to the Case Shiller home price index.

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Notice that in the 1990s -- which was a healthy economic expansion -- home prices increased about 10-20%. This occurred primarily in the last three years of the expansion. During this expansion, prices increased 80% nationally. Also note that aside from record low interest rates, there was nothing different about this expansion that would warrant a price increase of that magnitude. Now, prices are just starting to fall.

This won't end soon.


 
 

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I don't know how Hale and other traders will be trading bonds on speculative junk for a whole lot longer, but hey, my profession was outsourced years ago due to free trade and I had to find another profession. Economic poetic justice is bitch but Ben B is trying to find a rabbit to pull out of the hat for bond traders and all that financial goulash unlike what the fed does for other working Americans

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 03/14/2008

the FHA said that 900,000 default homeloans are held by Private Investors NOT Homeowners.

the F H A went on to say that by June 30 ,2008 another 1. 9 million loans held by private investors will go into default.

So deep is this problem many banks may go under with home values dropping all over the country.

Bush sent the F H A into the fray to help. They can send money directly to the local governmentss to keep the foreclosed property off the auction blocks. BAIL OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!

This to help keep home prices high while some of the foreclosed homes are falling apart and other not even finished constriuction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 03/11/2008

900,000 OF THE DEFAULT LOANS ARE HELD BY PRIVATE INVESTORS NOT HOME OWNERS.

1.9 MILLION LOANS EXPECTED TO GO INTO DEFAULT IN 90 DAYS ALSO HELD BY PRIVATE INVESTORS.

IT IS NOT HOME OWNERS THAT ARE DESTORYING THE DOLLARS VALUE OR DEFAULTING ON THE MAJORITY OF THE MORTAGES

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 03/10/2008

As it turns out, the house is worth what the purchaser can finance on a monthly basis. We live in the propaganda that competition, cost of production, and supply&demand are the determinants of "price". The reality is that 40% of your gross monthly income will turn out to be your "monthly payment". The amount of the loan you can "afford" is then a function of interest rate, monthly payment, and term. This gives the amount of loan you can afford. Then you have to have a 20% down payment (or additional mortgage insurance). When all of these factors are metered, affirmed, and approved, then the loan is made and the purchase consumated.
This is the conservative time tested procedure that fits into a Norman Rockwell brand of happy-face, christian, conservative America!
What we have just come through violates everything we have proved over time. If you are paying attention, there are three things that determine the price of housing: gross monthly income, general interest rate, and down payment. Think to yourself of where housing prices would be if we had 15% interest rates? Value is a slippery concept.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 03/10/2008

Listening to all of you I am afraid. very afraid. I fear that all is lost and our empire is crumbling in its own greed and averice. Is Bush fiddling as America burns?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 03/09/2008

Our Empire is crumbling in its greed and avarice, but I do not equate my interests with those of the oligarchs and plutocrats, so frankly, dear, I don't give a damn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 03/10/2008

Have you ever heard W sing? He has no musical talent. He couldn't learn to play any musical insturment such as a fiddle. W stands around with a thumb in his anus as the USA falls apart. There will be no music to distract Americans as the USA falls into chronic poverty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 AM on 03/12/2008

In short, our houses are worth less dollars, ... and those dollars are increasingly worth less as well. In a supposed "global" economy, that leaves us all a bit less well off.

In the end, what will the banks do with their two million properties? Sell them, of course, but not anytime soon, and not at a price that the neighbors will like on their blocks. The anchor has not hit bottom yet, ... and I would argue that it won't for some time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 03/09/2008

One statistic I'd love to see is how far underwater does a loan have to go before the typical homeowner will walk away? Admittedly many home owners are too emotionly invested to lightly do this but I'd think that sufficient added economic stress, such as loans adjusting upwards or recession related income declines, would be a trigger for walking away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 03/08/2008


The problem for regulators is the huge swath of buyers who got into homes in recent years and have zero equity due to the terms of their Mortgages ... they have no reason to stick with the house, their whole experience has been little more than renting anyhow ... they can afford to default and walk away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 03/08/2008

I think they are victims of the sub-prime lenders. If not directly then indirectly. Way too many bogus loans were made. This drove home prices to artificial heights. Now these loans are defaulting and the prices are dropping at such a rate that they'll likely drop below their fair market price. The solution is to cram down all the loans made in that era while converting them all to fair fixed loans. Since this punishes only the holders of the paper and not the originators, it should be combined with FBI RICO investigations. The big wigs in the places that originated and repackaged these loans need to spend the next fifty years staring at some bars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 03/08/2008

Remember, it takes two to Tango. While unscrupulous Brokers, Lenders, Securities Dealers and rating agencies abound there was always the promise of profit to drive people into these "deals". Anyone who misrepresented their financial status or misrepresented the financial status of their clients is guilty of fraud. This might mean that home buyers as well as Brokers should be prosecuted. Any lender who lowered requirements for loans and are now stuck should be allowed to fail. This includes the Big Boys on Wall Street.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 03/09/2008

Great stats as always Bondad! It is clear this real estate cycle engendered the hope in all classes that big-money was for the taking by getting into real estate at ANY level. "Irrational exuberance" was rampant and it is because most everyone could make more in housing-appreciation annually than possibly even there job income. But it was clearly unsustainable as the cost of a home increased as a multiple to household income. For those that made it an investing-game--getting in and out at the right time--handfuls of profit were made. But for the average American who needs a home and likes the CHANCE of further appreciation the game is always enticing. This cycle was a wild ride up and will come crashing down for some time now. The hundreds of billions of false-wealth that were put in play are played out now. How are job-incomes going to keep everyone feeling "flush"? NOT going to happen. Our financial future looks increasingly bleak!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 03/08/2008


Its really very similar with what happened with the dot.com stocks. I suppose if I was more saavy in the history of finance, there are dozens of more examples.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 PM on 03/08/2008

Will there be food lines and people roaming the country looking for jobs, or will the masses go on a rampage? This is not the 20's and 30's anymore. If we have so many people who can't get jobs to pay for the necessities of life what will happen? If they loose their homes and jobs how long before those detention centers being built around the country are filled with these people or us. I don't have any idea what is going to happen I stopped listening to the government years ago, but I am worried.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 03/08/2008


Its not the 20s or 30s and I don't think those sort of things will happen. Certainly a lot of what happened in that era spawned a lot of the social support programs we have today. Neither do I see a general breakdown of society. I see it more like New Orleans and Katrina. For those directly affected their lives were significantly changed, if only for the short term. For others, those disruptions continued longer and for some those disruptions continue even to today with no clear end in sight. Unless you were actually in New Orleans or some place where evacuees were placed, however, I'm not sure that the whole catastrophe had a huge impact on most of our lives. For myself, generally, the most significant item that directly effected me was paying more for home construction items. I don't want to minimize the suffering of those that were effected nor am I unsympathetic. I have been disappointed by all official responses to this event and I have supported Katrina relief efforts. But the fact is, Katrina did not significantly change my day to day to experience. I believe, for most of us, unless you are directly effected by a job loss or foreclosure, it will go on around you. There will be some increases in all social ills, crime, alcohol and drug abuse, etc. but I don't have any vision of a Mad Max world. Very similar to poverty as it exists now, it will go around most of us except there will be more of it for longer and it is more likely that you will know one or more people that are directly effected. I think, for most people, their lives will be more or less the same. Unfortuneately, the people most responsible for this mess will not be the ones that will suffer the most. Respectfully.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 03/08/2008

I am worried also. Hard to know what kind of safety-net will be there for the millions in need of food and shelter. I think one good thing we can all do is learn how to grow our own food. Many could convert a backyard into a veg. garden. Food is becoming ever-more costly, and at some point it may really spike if demand meets or exceeds supply.......just a thought!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 03/08/2008

Great article and to the point. The underlying problem has been all along a decline in good paying jobs. Port cities that unload the ships full of junk from China and, cities that derive jobs from the military, have been booming over the last 20 plus years while most of America, has been livng off the equity in their homes. Many people here in the Mid-West make $9-$15 per hour but, buy $150,000-$250,000 homes and $25,000-$60,000 cars and trucks. All these people were sold a bill of goods thinking they were rich. Now their cars have been repoed and they are behind on their mortgage payments. And of course to matters worse, their jobs are not stable. It's easy to blame these people for going so far into debt but, what else could they do? Houses and autos are way overpriced for the jobs that are available . Everyone needs a place to live and a dependable vehicle to get to work. More education will not help these people because many of them are skilled workers already and besides, how many medical techs are we going to need as fewer and fewer people have health insurance? How many engineers are we going to need when we don't manufacture or build anything? How many computer tech people will we need to service non-existant business machines at non-existant businesses? I guess we just need a lot more military basses and jobs all created by non-existant money generated by non-existant taxpayors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 AM on 03/08/2008

Should we even worry about our credit score? Seems like with so many foreclosures the average credit score is going to go way down, which brings all of us up...so then if our credit is good because of averages, can the debt cycle continue?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 AM on 03/08/2008

I'm not a homeowner so I don't understand this equity thing. My mom owns a bldg. that has apartments and two commercial businesses. Does commercial property lose value like a home? We own it free and clear.....help me Obi Wan..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 03/07/2008


With due respect to Alec Guiness, yes commercial property is subject to the valuation problems discussed. However, since you own your property free and clear you are not subject to the risk of foreclosure in the same way people that borrowed to buy their property that still have debt against it. The valuation fluctuations primarly effect your property only if you try to take a cash out mortgage against your property or try to sell the property. In your case, assuming that you are not trying to do either, the only concern is to make sure that the amount of money you take in as rent covers the amounts that you have to pay out in expenses. In short, you and your situation are not the problem described in the article. I hope that makes sense. If it doesn't please feel free to follow up with any question that would be helpful to you. Respectfully.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 03/08/2008

Thank you for replying, I think I understand it better now. No, we don't plan to sell our property any time after my mom passes. From what I understand we would have to pay a large capital gains tax and reinvest in another piece of property. Expenses are covered by the rental monies and it also supports mom and I.
Thanks again....one less thing to worry about for the time being :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 03/08/2008

one suggestion for you: do everything you can to assure yourself that your current residential and commercial tennants are both able and willing to continue renting from you, because if you lose those tennants and the income associated with them, finding dependable replacements may be difficult and time-consuming in this economical environment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 03/10/2008


I don't want to insert myself in your personal business, but I am a tax lawyer and I believe that you have a lot more options than you realize. I'm happy to talk about them if you wish.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 03/09/2008


It's amazing, here in Houston, the economy and home value has not been damaged except mostly by the publicity of all this. It's because homeowners here have not been allowed to speculate at 15 to 20 percent like they have in California and Florida. We're hurt as everywhere by the disappearance of sub-prime, but values remain strong.
Values have only gone from increasing from 4 to 6 percent at their highest a few years ago to dropping down to maybe 2, or 3 to 5 percent , but this is still positive. A home that went for 800,000 in California in 2003 and is now maybe 570,000 would never have been over 200 to250,000 here in Houston, and hasn't really gone down in value worse then 20K at the most, if at all, depending on the neighborhood.


Seems to be one of the only spot of this size in the nation with this happening .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 03/07/2008

of course who want to live in texas sheeeh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 AM on 03/08/2008

But he's accurate for 70% of the nation. Media hype and teh Nutcase-Schill(er0 Dumbdex overly simplify teh problem. There is nto a national "9%" decline as Nutcause S& Schill would have you believe; there is a catastrophic decline in certain areas (CA, NV, FL, AZ) and much more muted decliens or flat or only slowly growing markets elsewhere. However, considering the sheer volume of real estate sold in CA and FL alone, they skew the average in a massively disproportionate way. (Just like they skewed the average artificailly high during teh boom).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 03/12/2008

I agree in certain places the effect is going to be disproportionate. Certainly places where the real estate balloon inflated have more room to deflate. But I think that the secondary effects are going to be felt by all of us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 03/12/2008

I would appreciate being directed to an online site where I don't have to fight my way through financial BS (yes, even if it's in the WSJ, it can be BS)?

Owner's equity as a percentage of what? As a percentage, as I suspect, of appraised value? Doesn't that mean that as appraised value falls owner equity will increase? Automatically? Without any effort on anyone's part? Assuming that everyone paying taxes will be jumping their taxing authority if it does not reduce appraised value in a market, as Bonddad tells us, leaves a big hole.

I suppose taxing authorities have taxed empty holes before, but I would not want to be the clerk who will have to deal with resident complaints. Folks will not be happy to call in saying "My home appraised at half a mil is only worth quarter of a mil." My guess is that a whole lot of tax payments will be subject to adjudication or at least late in coming in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 03/07/2008

You've got it backwards! The equity you have in your house disappears as its value drops. If you own a $500k house and you have $250k equity in it and the value of your house falls to $250k, then you've lost all of your equity. Worse you still have a $250k mortgage against your house and if the value of your house continues to decline, then you are well on your way to owing more for the house than it's worth! More and more people in that circumstance simply put the house keys under the welcome mat and walk away from their house and its mortgage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 03/07/2008

Mea culpa and thanks. Equity increases as housing prices increase, because measured against a fixed mortgage, the debt remains constant while the sales value increases. And vice versa as currently.

So the ones who have the juice are the developers who got to sell the homes and turn over price problems to banks and buyers. No wonder they built McMansions. Everyone sold was gold.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 03/08/2008

The author's statistics actually skew average household wealth. If you subtract the assets of the 1% richest Americans, then you get the real average for the regular American household.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 03/08/2008

Yeah, if Bill Gates and I were sitting alone in a bar (unlikely scene), our average net worth would be around 30 billion. The median is usually more reliable. Mean averages are often used to scam statistics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 03/09/2008

I know that things are going to get bad. My question is, how bad is it going to get for people who have been relatively conservative over the last few years?
We have a house, which is the last few years of 15-yr mortgage which we will pay off on time or maybe a little earlier.
We usually have no credit card debt, and buy big ticket items (not cars) on delayed interest/payment plans so that we can pay them off with a lump sum when the actual payment comes due.
We have small 401's, one very conservative, and one more risky, including emerging market mutual funds (all Morningstar rated 4 or 6 stars), with some cash on the side waiting to pick up real stock bargains if they ever show up.
Jobs are really pretty safe, if salaries are low and not expected to rise even to cover cost of inflation.
Okay, for us fairly conservative people, what is our outlook in the next few economic years? Except for trying not to buy ANYTHING that isn't a necessity, what else are we supposed to do?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 03/07/2008

Just don't go into debt no matter what. Live on bean burritos if that is the alternative. Don't rely on Social Security. While well funded in theory, the money has been stolen to buy Hummers and F-15's. Be very wary of equities. The Fed is printing money like crazy and loaning it through the new TAF program to their investment banker bosses in return for sub-prime, worthless collateral, but it might not be enough to prevent a collapse of the Dow. And even if it is, it will result in massive inflation and continued devaluation of the dollar. When investing in bonds, don't believe the federal inflation statistics. They are rigged at one half to 65 percent of reality for a lower middle class family.

For what it's worth, I have most of my savings in German 5 year Treasuries at 4 % (Euros), short S&P 500 ETF's, and Gold.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 03/09/2008

German treasuries? Wow. With the massive EU collapse just a few months away and Germany's massively on the brink economy of freefall; good luck with that. You're going to need it if the Euro goes up anywhere close to $1/1.60 Euros, Germany will tank faster than Japan in the 90s.


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 03/12/2008
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