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Harry Shearer

Posted: June 18, 2009 02:02 AM

Is the Corps of Engineers Astro-Turfing Its Critics?


If you were inclined to disbelieve the three independent forensic engineering reports that blamed design and construction errors by the US Army Corps of Engineers for the more than 50 levee breaches that resulted in the flooding of New Orleans in 2005, the behavior of the Corps towards its critics might induce you to take a second look at the matter.

WWL-TV, a television station that actually appears to take the phrase "local news" with an unusual (for this country) degree of seriousness, is reporting that Corps employees have been logging on to nola.com, a main news aggregating and commenting website for local news, to denigrate critics of the agency:

"What stuck out though was the wording of the comments, in many ways mirroring the news releases from the corps of engineers," (former nola.com editor in chief Jon) Donley said.


...Donley said he also noticed these users who attacked corps critics were using corps equipment. He made a spreadsheet of the activity over six weeks at the end of December and beginning of January.

"During that six-week period, there were nearly 700 comments from corps IPs, the same group of people I had been watching for over two years," Donley said. "So this was not an isolated incident."

Remember, the Corps--which itself admitted some culpability for the 2005 levee failures--is tasked with the responsibility for repairing the "hurricane protection system" mandated by Congress. One would hope, given the fact that this task is running behind the scheduled completion date of 2011, that Corps employees would be spending their time helping to keep the city safe, instead of attacking critics of the agency.

But in New Orleans, when the subject is the Corps, and its federal overseers, hope is something that was left at the starting gate last November. And change is what's being appropriated.

UPDATE (6/19): Jon Donley now explains why he's gone public:

 
 
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05:58 PM on 06/19/2009
Just thought y'all might want an UpDate on this story.

The Times-Picayune has attempted a limpid response today on the WWL story here: http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/06/army_corps_of_engineers_lets_w.html#preview
The comments section is rabid. You'll spot me, nonewsladder and backhandpath. I've had to split in two to handle these beotches from the Corps, they are everywhere no lie.

However, our Hero Jon Donley has published his explanation of why he came forward about this in the first place. http://www.jondonley.com/2009/06/affidavit-on-smear-campaign-against-corps-critics/
I think y'all will enjoy what he has to say about these Spin'filtraitors.
The TP has tried to marginalize this man as "an internet consultant who worked for Nola.com", when it turns out that far from being some Temp Laborer as portrayed, Mr. Donley is a Founding Editor in Chief of Nola.com, with over a decade on the Job. He should win a Pulitzer for his roll in keeping it together at Nola.com during the flood.
Nola.com does not want to investigate whether they are aiding and abetting the commission of a felony.
This is a big problem and a big story. These Astro-turfers, looks to me, are committing crime by using Our computers to attack Us.
Anyway, don't get me started. You can find me on the Ladder.

Thanks again, Harry.
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11:57 AM on 06/19/2009
I think it's sad how people have forgotten New Orleans. Almost any other post here on HuffPo would have thousands of comments by now and here we sit with 25. People have short memories.
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09:08 PM on 06/19/2009
It is sad. I sometimes wish Sara Palin would bad mouth New Orleans, as anything she does or says gets ten thousand posts and a week of television coverage!
The saddest act of forgetfulness comes from the top, it appears. I've said it before, and I'll repeat it again. I don't believe we'd be looking at a president Obama, if it were not for the Bush administration's handling of the Katrina debacle.
Obama was able to use the Bush administration's inept handling of everything it touched, with the Katrina debacle being the one most vicerally vivid in people's minds, to say it was time to change management.
Now, as it looks like NO will get the same level of Army Corps of Engineer incompetence it suffered before, in the building of new substandard levees, one can't help but feel a sense of betrayal.
So c'mon, Sara Palin! Say something nasty about NO! Hey Rush! Bad mouth the Big Easy on your radio show! The folks down there could sure use the publicity.
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10:51 PM on 06/19/2009
viscerally he meant to say.
09:25 AM on 06/19/2009
It's been, what 4 years since the city's destruction, and if one judges the mood of the city by the tenor of the calls to yesterday's WWL Garland Robinette Think Tank radio talk show, the denial necessary to go about daily life has now set in.

The guest host asked for callers to say what they thought was the single most important thing to improve life in their city. Not one caller mentioned, "fixing the levees" or "raising the houses above storm surge level" or "repairing the wetlands". In over an hour, not one.

Assuming those calls weren't screened out ----which I guess they might have been---I just would like to say that it doesn't matter what New Orleans' murder rate is, how crummy the schools are, or whether the mayor makes backroom deals and takes family vacations instead of doing his job---- if the city floods again.

It just won't matter.
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12:00 AM on 06/19/2009
This doesn't surprise me, Harry. I see it on the health care blogs. Posts from people you know work for the insurance industry, trying to pretend they're just citizens concerned about the "evils" of single payer health care.
Of course it's infuriating to find that our tax dollars are, apparently, being used by COE employees to run a smear campaign against those trying to get some justice from the COE. Disturbing, but, at this point, not surprising in the least.
It's easy to see why hope is a hard thing to come by in NO these days. An investigation is definitely in order. I want MY tax dollars paying for strong levees, not smear campaigns against folks trying to get those strong levees built.
On a lighter note, loved the performance on Conan! The great music on "Back From The Dead" is on it's way from Amazon, and I love the packaging! Quite a bargain! Takes me back to the old days of LPs filled with fun extras. I hope it's a big seller for you guys.
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Harry Shearer
12:16 AM on 06/19/2009
Thanks.
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09:19 PM on 06/18/2009
I admire your dogged efforts to show the world New Orleans flooding was not an "act of god" but rather bad government and worse engineering.

I wish you'd apply some of your logic and persistence to the financial "experts' who are every bit as incompetent as the Army Corp of Engineers, and are currently drowning the US economy in a sea of debt to prop up the insane idea of using fractional reserve banking to increase the money supply by creating money as debt out of thin air.
12:57 AM on 06/19/2009
um, maybe I misunderstood your post, and admittedly, its been over 15 yrs since my Money and Banking course in college, but THAT'S WHAT BANKS DO.

They always create money by keeping a "Fraction" of their deposits in "Reserve" and lend out the rest, "creating money" out of thin air and "Debt" (for the borrower) in the process.

If you don't like the fractional reserve banking system creating money, then guess what, no home loans, car loans, business loans, or credit cards, and that would put a real stranglehold on the economy.

You see, Joe Smith deposits 100 dollars in the bank, the bank keeps 50% (a fraction) in reserve, and lends out $50 John Jones. Jones puts the money in his bank account to pay for his goods/services. Joe Smith's account still says $100, but John Jones has $50 more, so the money supply is now $150. THAT'S WHAT A BANK DOES. I suppose we could bury our money in the ground.
08:46 PM on 06/18/2009
The corps amazes me. The only time any government agency is concerned about overspending is when it comes to protecting the people of new orleans. I wonder sometimes if it is b/c of the color of our skin.
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07:19 PM on 06/18/2009
Levees.org has put out a new report on the subject on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZXFK8z9WXo
I have become so cynical of this country, I am not even surprised by this evil anymore. Citizens need to confront this government and demand justice.
10:36 PM on 06/18/2009
I try to confront and/or communicate with our government. I am not surprised at the evil. I am shocked by the stupidity and indifference when asking a government agency to do what we pay it to do. I have communicated with the Army Corps of Engineers which has control of all navigable waters under the Doctrine of Public Trust. They refused to act when some well-heeled gentlemen wanted to get to an island they bought. They allowed a culvert to be built that closed off the original Wolf River which is no less than 60 feet wide and 8 feet deep at the site of the culvert. Definition of navigable--if you can float a canoe in 2 inches of water in a 20 year period.

I agree with the person who said we should get rid of the Corps. They are not only not doing their job--they won't even evaluate a problem or return a call. AND, out of Chicago--they are snotty.

AND, they are only one part of government failing to do their job. I could name another half dozen agencies I have personally dealt with who COULD NOT or WOULD NOT resolve a problem within their jurisdiction.

God help us. The government is helping itself!
09:38 AM on 06/19/2009
NMRK

It's not "the government" that's the problem.

It's the BROKEN government.

The government that Republicans have so infamously crippled, starved, shrunk and nearly drowned for the last 30+ years.
03:24 PM on 06/18/2009
Frankly Harry I thought you would have more skin on you than this. I don't care if they work for the Corps. I don't care if they disagree. We benefit from open debate of ideas and concerns. So, if Corps employees want to defend their employer so what?

You have to post this item because you have no.... absolutely none... nada "expertise" in civil engineering. You have passion for New Orleans, but you have no academic, scholarly, or professional standing in anything related to flood control construction.

If you were Joe Delps vinyl siding sales manager from Des Moines you might have the very same views, but no chance in hell to get them featured on The Huffington Post. Yet, when the people who do know something about it appear en masse on a web site Harry Shearer (cartoon voice extraordinaire) has nothing to come back with except to cry foul for a group having a voice on flood control construction. You have nothing because you are just an actor.

You cite three independent studies. Did you participate in them? That's all you are qualified to say. After that, you are totally out of viable material. The flood causes have been studied by knowledgeable experts and we all now have the opportunity to assess them as "average joe citizens" and contribute to the American democratic way of free inquiry and expression of views.
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03:48 PM on 06/18/2009
The Corps employees are of course free to express their views, as are you and I, but when they slime their critics from a position of anonymity, it does take on the character of "astroturfing", i.e., making the Corps appear to have independent supporters who actually draw their paychecks from the Corps. Nuff said.
04:03 PM on 06/18/2009
That comment failed the logic test. The law says as Federal employees they can't post their views on a web site (This is debatable by the way). You call it sliming their critics, but sliming is not against the law Harry. So, to get their voices heard they do it anonymously. However, Harry says.... they should do it publicly. Then they would get fired for having an opinion. Harry thinks this is what America's is all about right?
01:04 AM on 06/19/2009
So how long have you worked for the Corp?
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03:09 PM on 06/18/2009
Well Harry is persistent. As I've said before we should get rid of the army corps of engineers. It's nothing but a make-work program that is not needed. They continue to do questionable projects. Course New Orleans corrupt politicians helped steer those projects (look at Time Magazine's article on what New Orleans representatives wasted corp money on).
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12:57 PM on 06/18/2009
The Netherlands has avoided this because they always maintain their flood protection system: they take it seriously (and even pay high taxes!)

When are we going to get out of this anti-tax mentality?
luckybear
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03:25 PM on 06/18/2009
Never. Americans hate taxes. They've been told for 30 years that they don't need to pay and can still spend money. Obama is guilty of this too. Taxes must be raised on the middle class in some fashion unless we want huge spending cuts. The "rich" can't handle the burden alone. If you want spending even middle class people have to pay higher taxes; which they won't want to do.
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07:17 PM on 06/22/2009
It goes back to before the Revolution, I'm afraid, to (mostly well-off) people who didn't want to pay taxes to Britain, even to pay for a war that benefitted them, against the French and Native Americans. Also the backwoods types who didn't want to pay taxes on the whisky they distilled (consarn revenooers!).

This is a deep vein in the American psyche, which the GOP has successfully mined for decades. We just have to keep hammering on the connection between the services people want to receive and the money it costs to pay for them, and letting them know how the corporations keep shirking their duty, shifting the burden to the rest of us.
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11:26 PM on 06/18/2009
Some people think roads, bridges, libraries, armies, health and food inspectors, national parks, police and fire departments, air traffic controllers and on and on, appear out of thin air somehow. They think their taxes are too high, and never consider how much it would cost out of pocket, to provide even a fraction of those sevices themselves.
Just look at the Texans who think Texas could survive on it's own, as they clamor for secession. And one is their Governor no less!
Americans can be some of the silliest, and most easily frightened people in the entire world sometimes. No wonder our politicians find it so easy to manipulate and use us. How we ever became a super power is beyond me. I guess people in this country used to be made of sterner stuff.
09:45 AM on 06/19/2009
And don't forget Bank Examiners...
09:00 AM on 06/18/2009
Great post Harry.

And btw, Federal (civil service) employees are governed by The Hatch Act which limits activity. In addition, the Corps of Engineers, as a part of the military is governed by Department of Defense Directive 1344.10:
http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/134410p.pdf

Surely, corps spokesperson Ken Holder knows this. It seems like they're fighting for their lives.
04:36 AM on 06/18/2009
Thanks, Harry. As usual you are first out of the gate.

I would like to know if the COE violated Federal Code here, by using our tax-funded computers, thus committing Felony.
Perhaps y'all can see for yourselves, and interpret this better than I.

UNITED STATES CODE ANNOTATED
TITLE 18. CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I--CRIMES
CHAPTER 47--FRAUD AND FALSE STATEMENTS
§ 1030. Fraud and related activity in connection with computers.
Section (3): intentionally, without authorization to access any nonpublic computer of a department or agency of the United States, accesses such a computer of that department or agency that is exclusively for the use of the Government of the United States or, in the case of a computer not exclusively for such use, is used by or for the Government of the United States and such conduct affects that use by or for the Government of the United States.
Section (5) subparagraph (B) clause (iv) --a threat to public health or safety.
(I would like to add this clause, since we really don't know if the Corps is telling the truth regarding just what their employees are doing with these computers on our dime, ie: for whom the Bar Codes.)
(v) --damage affecting a computer system used by or for a government entity in furtherance of the administration of justice, national defense, or national security.
http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/1030NEW.htm

Everyone reads Harry, soooo...any'youz out there a Federal Prosecutor?

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