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Harry Shearer

Harry Shearer

Posted: May 21, 2010 10:16 AM

The Rand Paul Quote Everybody's Ignoring

What's Your Reaction:

Yes, he played cat-and-mouse with Rachel Maddow on the subject of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, but, as he rightly points out (pun intended), that's primarily a backward-looking debate. What's escaping public notice so far, though, is his take on a far more contemporary issue: accountability. Here's Rand Paul on the BP oil spill:

I think it's part of this sort of blame game society in the sense that it's always got to be someone's fault instead of the fact that sometimes accidents happen.

The reason this quote isn't inflaming debate the way Paul's Libertarian dance around the Civil Rights Act has is simple: on this issue, Paul is not fringe-y or extremist or unusual; he's spouting a line we've heard incessantly, from defenders of BP, from apologists for the US Army Corps of Engineers (in the case of the flooding of New Orleans), from architects of the Iraq War. Paul is channeling Donald Rumsfeld: "Stuff happens." Nothing to see here, move on.

The deeper meaning of the quote is the standard Republican assault against lawyers who have the temerity to challenge, in court, established power. Just this week, the Louisiana legislature defeated a bill that would have punished the Tulane Legal Clinic for its work taking government agencies to court. The bill had the support of the Louisiana Chemical Association.

The political spin on Paul is that he's worrisome because he's not within the standard lines of the modern political debate. I'd suggest he's worrisome because he is.

 

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Yes, he played cat-and-mouse with Rachel Maddow on the subject of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, but, as he rightly points out (pun intended), that's primarily a backward-looking debate. What's escaping ...
Yes, he played cat-and-mouse with Rachel Maddow on the subject of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, but, as he rightly points out (pun intended), that's primarily a backward-looking debate. What's escaping ...
 
 
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Jon Jony
06:26 AM on 06/04/2010
Darn Why is Harry Shearer so much smarter than me... It's not fair. Way to go Harry. Good article.
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06:16 AM on 05/25/2010
I think back to all of the blogs concerning New Orleans we've discussed, over the last year and a half or so since I first started posting here at Huffpo. I remember all of the times we've tried to warn the Obama defenders, that Obama is setting himself up for a W-style "Katrina" disaster continuing those inadequate USACE flood protection rebulding projects.

Fate, however, always has a way of letting us know who really is in charge. Who knew it would be Obama's silly political game of trying to outmaneuver the Repubs on offshore oil drilling, that would be his "Katrina?"

That this man, who doesn't seem to have a single principle left he's not willing to sacrifice in the name of political gain, would get his karma so soon after abandoning years of liberal defence of our national shores.

And there's STILL those inadequate flood protections, and, now, possibly even LESS inland protection in the future from these horribly defiled coastal wetlands.

No, Obama didn't cause all of these messes, but he's doing next to nothing to prevent their recurrence in the future, or to stop the hemorrhaging from this spill, inadequate health care reform, inadequate financial reform or in Afgahistan. He keeps playing politics over principle.

It breaks my heart to say that, because I really wanted to believe he'd turn this nation around. Better than Bush and McCain, is getting to be about the only legacy he might achieve.
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Marie Gilreath
12:24 AM on 05/25/2010
Yes. He really is worrisome. Definitely worrisome.
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CB5
We do not want to repeat 2010 in 2014! VOTE:)
06:42 PM on 05/24/2010
Big time blame game. These people do not have a conscience. This is Too Big to Fail at it's best.
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AxelDC
05:04 PM on 05/24/2010
If Al Qaeda committed the sort of destruction that BP has done in the Gulf, the US would nuke Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Instead, the US plutocrats are circling the wagons around their corporate paymasters, and shielding BP for full disclosure of its illegal negligence. Even now, Republicans are trying to shield BP from 90% of the costs of cleaning up their mess, and will filibuster any punitive damage against BP.

BP is acting like an ecoterrorist, and the Gulf of Mexico may become the Dead Sea for the rest of the century.
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CB5
We do not want to repeat 2010 in 2014! VOTE:)
06:18 PM on 05/24/2010
And it's been going on for 1 month + ? how many more days? Who is responsible? ? Rumor has it they(those supposedly responsible) are all in DC fighting liability damages.trying to cap the limits of their responsibility in dollars.They can't be bothered with loss of life or the slow death of the Gulf. Shame on all those responsible for not taking Accountability up front when this all started so long ago.
Where does the buck stop?
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AxelDC
07:39 AM on 05/25/2010
BP is far more interested in PR spin and liability limitation than in saving the Gulf of Mexico from becoming the Dead Sea.

Not even a nuclear bomb could cause the devastation that BP is inflicting on the US right now.
02:59 PM on 05/25/2010
Apparently the buck stops nowhere.
02:28 PM on 05/26/2010
The GOP really doesn't care about the environment for the most part, do they? Many seem to believe this world was made for them to use. =/
04:08 PM on 05/24/2010
The blame game - if you don't fix the breaks on your car and you run over some person then it is your fault. If you save half a million on a safety valve and the result is an ecological horror story which will affect all of us and last for decades then it is the fault of the company which didn't install the best safety device on the market.
02:08 PM on 05/24/2010
I take great exception to the indictment of the Army Corps of Engineers in regards to Katrina. "from apologists for the US Army Corps of Engineers (in the case of the flooding of New Orleans)" The REALITY is that the Corps of Enginneers did in FACT during the mid-90's submit a proposal for a protective barrier that would have protected New Orleans from sea surge had it been built. This project was REJECTED by the CLINTON ADMINISTRATION. Blame should settle where it is deserved.
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Harry Shearer
04:58 PM on 05/24/2010
Your "facts" are conflated with fantasy. The barrier proposal was submitted by the Corps in the 1970s. When locals and environmentals protested that the Corps' EIR was insufficient, and their objection was upheld by a federal judge, the Corps decided on its own to substitute the floodwalls-on-the outfall-canals plan. Additionally, nobody forced them to anchor the floodwalls in insubstantial soil, or to make any of the other basic mistakes covered in the ILIT and Team Louisiana reports (Google them and read the executive summaries). Even Gen. Carl Strock, then the commander of the Corps, accepted responsibility for the failure of the Corps-built excuse for a system. He retired from the Corps shortly thereafter.
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Bienville
Make levees, not war
09:56 AM on 05/25/2010
Your view is grossly misinformed. The barrier to which you refer would have sealed Lake Ponchartrain from the Gulf, but would have done nothing to protect New Orleans East, the Lower Ninth Ward and St. Bernard Parish - all very heavily damaged by the surge.

The Corps' many foolish blunders in a flawed levee system and would have equally resulted in a flawed barrier design. Their barrier system would have been no less washed away than their levee system was. They made the most fundemental error of all: the misjudged the strength of the strata undelying their structures. When they failed to correctly measure the strength of the sub-soil, all that they built on top of it was vulnerable. This vulnerability was exposed in the event, as every floodwall or levee failure can be traced back to weak, un-reinforced in situ soils that were oveloaded.

These designs go back into the '80s and before, and their flaws were deeply buried long ago. Blaming a particular Congress or President is stupid. They are all at fault to some degree, for not changing the fundemental way the Corps does business, by using the Corps to buy votes, to deliver largess to their districts, by not requiring oversight of the Corps, and by not holding them accountable for their failures.

Please google "ILIT Berkeley" and read the report.
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MidwestMomma
Just a Pilgrim on the Mayflower of Life!
12:33 PM on 05/24/2010
To me, it all comes down to where we want our rights and responsibilities to end. At our doors, our sidewalks, our state lines, our national boundaries or our planet? I think it's human nature to seek more introverted mindsets on this great debate of who we are collectively when we are insecure and angry. Pretty much why those who seek to personally benefit by our choices like us to be frightened.

Mr. Paul wants his responsibilities to end at his property lines but his rights to extend to the planet. Sorry! It just doesn't work that way as shining a light on the absurdity of his positions has proven.
12:29 PM on 05/24/2010
If any of you had heard Rand Pauls entire statement , you would see that he goes on to say that yes, there is reponsibility, but at this point, everyone needs to work together, not just sit around pointing fingers, and find out why this happened, what exactly went wrong, stop the leak, clean up the terrible mess and make sure this never happens again. The fact that the rig is in international waters and owned and operated by companies not based in the USA, further complicates things. I realize the US coastline and gulf waters are the most affected by this tragedy, but what real authority does the US government have in this type of situation? I don't think this situation has really been precedented to really know "exactly" how to handle it. That is why everyone involved, those responsible and those being hurt by it all, need to band together, get this "fixed" and then figure out whose going to pay. Frankly BP holds the biggest responsibility but I don't think any one entity is capable of doing this on their own. It has to be a group effort if it's going to work! Everyone of us benefits from the products BP provides, green or not, so we all carry a measure of responsibility for what happens.
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MidwestMomma
Just a Pilgrim on the Mayflower of Life!
12:43 PM on 05/24/2010
Okay! I'll take my part of the blame. I should have been more involved and fought harder for better policy, smarter choices! I'm sure my part of the damages will be covered somewhere in higher prices and taxes.
01:07 PM on 05/24/2010
BTW, do you drive a car that uses gasoline or oil, enjoy heat in your home in the winter, use anything plastic, use any other gasoline powered equipment, take a bus, train or plane anywhere. Just sayin'.
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QuintinJordon
The only constant in the universe - Change
10:44 AM on 05/24/2010
I do not see Mr. Paul as a pure libertarian. If this man was, he would be for the following:

Abortion, legalized marijuana (which he said yes to medical), separation of church and state, no to imperialism (which the United States practices by economics), no to war, unless the United States is being directly attacked, legalized gambling and prostitution.

And form of individualism could be used here, not the collective. Most libertarians have the corporation versus "the people" mentality that goes counter to their supposed beliefs. Go figure.
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11:40 AM on 05/24/2010
Ah, the ubiquitous Libertarian. The embodiment of anarchy under a shroud of liberty.

http://world.std.com/~mhuben/revisionism.html

I'm glad you brought up these points. Thanks. You'll find this link and its many articles interesting.
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capitaldysfunction
White male never voted Republican
11:46 AM on 05/24/2010
Paleoconservitive.
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hwoodude
10:28 AM on 05/24/2010
It's easy to know which elected officials gets the most financial "campaign" support from the oil, banking and military-industrial complex! Ran Paul and his lock-step defense and support of BP is an obvious example. In the media ,

Rupert Murdoch's and his Fox "News" drones is yet another example. Britt Humes incredulpus recent comments on the oil spill: "where is it...why don't we see it?....the sea has a way of correcting mistakes."

The oil industry has made billions of billions of dollars doing pretty much what they damn well please due to the elected idiots that wander around Washington, ever eager to slurp at the fountains of "campaign support" that oil companies have traditionally offered politicians. When does it end? It never ends because politicians don't want it to end.
08:18 AM on 05/24/2010
Rand Paul isn't from any extreme wing, he's simply today's typical politician. The fact is that from the moment BP assumed control of a facility that could eventually produce them a financial profit; they also became wholly and solely responsible for the potential of a catastrophic accident. In addition, BP’s impotent response leads one to wonder just how critical the alleged oil shortage really is.
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12:31 PM on 05/24/2010
AA=BP’s impotent response leads one to wonder just how critical the alleged oil shortage really is.

It sure does call this into play.
If we are running out of oil, how come we take our oil and then rebuy it back?
Our oil should go to us first, if we have left over, fine.
javadawg
Not a conservative , not a liberal- but a person w
07:36 AM on 05/24/2010
The brakes on my car are lousy, the tires are bald and I can still drive after I have had ten beers. Accidents happen - there is no one to blame. The blame game - Geez - So what if three people died and four others were seriously injured. Stuff happens.

I wonder what Paul would say if something like this happened to his family. Blame game or accountability - we learn what happened and we know what not to do again.

Kind of like the GOP running our country off the road and into a ditch. it has taken billions of dollars to drag and repair our country on to the road again, and because "it was an accident - and no blame was determined" some people want to hand the keys over to the GOP again.

No wonder they like to think this way
09:11 AM on 05/24/2010
Thank-you.
This needed to be said. And well said at that.
12:09 PM on 05/24/2010
The republican party is just a giant money funnel, inserted into the throat of Corporate America.
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12:26 PM on 05/24/2010
Via C Street
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boomer7391
Beliefs are the seeds of evil.
07:30 AM on 05/24/2010
yes sometimes accidents happen...like sara palin getting a chance at vp....or rand paul getting 15 minutes of shame..i mean fame...like hanging chads and activist conservative judges....like turning companies into people...(can I marry my bank?)
12:11 PM on 05/24/2010
No, but your bank can certainly bend YOU over.
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mancoff
12:32 PM on 05/24/2010
yeah boomer7391, thats the Republican Party, one great big, disastorous, horrendous, accident. And let's be sure that accident doesn't happen again, now that we are on the road to recovery. No more mistakes, Make The republican party irrelevant in 2010.
03:11 AM on 05/24/2010
accidents do happen... you still have to take responsibility for what happens on your watch.

I still don't see how that applies to bribing the watchdog to let you bypass safety regulations. That's not an accident,. that's an accident waiting to happen.