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Harry Shearer

Posted: November 17, 2009 03:12 PM

Waste in Your Levee? Don't Blame the Corps

What's Your Reaction:

"It's scary," says Tom Jackson, a regional levee commissioner and engineer, of the admission by the Army Corps of Engineers that a section of lakefront levee in East Kenner (a western suburb of New Orleans) is contaminated with construction waste, and will have to be lopped off, before scheduled improvements can begin.

Says Brett Herr, who now supervises those regional improvements:

"I don't want people to read this and think the corps is building levees with landfill material," Herr said. "That isn't accurate."

The corps did not respond to requests for the names of the 2000-01 contractor and corps inspector on that job.

Herr said he couldn't explain how this amount of debris got through the safeguards designed to keep such contamination from happening.

He wasn't there then, and those people aren't here now.  Crazy how accountability works at the US Army Corps of Engineers.   How many other such mistakes have gone undiscovered...yet?  But I don't want people to read this and think the corps is building levees with landfill material; they're letting their contractors do it.

BTW: Last night on Countdown, in introducing his piece on a one-day free medical clinic at the New Orleans Convention Center, Keith Olbermann said "last time we were here it was because of a natural disaster".  He's correct, nature built flimsy floodwalls.

 

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05:08 AM on 11/20/2009
The work of the Corps of Engineers never ceases to amaze. I also agree completely that as an engineering problem, flood protection of New Orleans is absolutely feasible.
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11:55 PM on 11/18/2009
Levees.org just emailed with the news, that a Federal judge just ruled that ACOE mismanagement of the Mississippi River-Gulf Outlet, was directly responsible for flood damage of homes in St Bernard Parrish and the lower 9th Ward of New Orleans AFTER Hurricane Katrina.
Hurricane Katrina was seen in the courtroom hugging and smiling with her sisters Hurricane Emily, Hurricane Rita and Hurricane Wilma, on news of having been vindicated of these New Orleans flooding charges against her.
The attourneys for the plaintiffs intend to go to DC to ask both the Obama administration and Congress to revisit requests for compensation for folks in both the areas covered in the decision, and other areas flooded do to Corps related levee failures.
At last some positive news. Let no one come to these NO blogs of Harry's again with their assertions that Hurricane Katrina caused this flooding in NO. She still has alot to answer for in Mississippi, but the charges against her in New Orleans have been dropped.
09:35 PM on 11/18/2009
Harry, I just received an email from WWL saying that a federal judge has ruled that (no surprise to us) Katrina's flood was caused by the failure of Corps of Engineers MrGO Engineering.
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12:01 AM on 11/19/2009
Isn't this just the best news! I just hope this makes the headlines, so people can start getting it that this catastrophy was a man-made failure.
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Harry Shearer
12:45 AM on 11/19/2009
See my new post on this ruling. The ball is now firmly in the Administration's court--reform, or appeal.
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04:31 PM on 11/18/2009
I've been contacting the White House somewhat regularly in attempts to get Obama to use his capacity as Commander In Chief to order the Army Corps of Engineers to provide New Orleans a ROBUST protection system and put them on notice that it had better be a straight-up operation or Heads Will Roll.

Reach the White House at: 202 - 456 - 1111

Similarly, I've been contacting the Attorney General's office, Eric Holder's office, and been asking for prosecutions in this case that Mr. Shearer has brought to our (my!) attention. It may be that the Louisiana AG has joint jurisdiction with Holder's office, but it can't hurt to demand action from both. (While on the line I also asked for his office to pursue a few other criminal matters we have yet to see prosecutions for.)

Reach The Attorney General's Office at: 202 - 514 - 2001
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jcwtts1
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07:58 PM on 11/18/2009
The Army Corps of Engineers is a joint operation. Congress and the Executive Branch share responsibility for it. Congress can order it. Instead of calling the white house why not call Bobby Jindal and the GOP congressional delegation from NOLA (which includes everyone except Landeiu) and ask them why ACE funding and orders weren't included in any of the 50 pieces of legislation passed this year? The answer, in order to get an amendment into a bill, especially a regional one, you kinda have to vote for the bill. If you offer an amendment and you aren't going to vote for the bill the typical response is... "go spit." So the Stim bill, had no money for NOLA levees or the LA wetlands because... no republican was interested in voting for the bill, and because they had nothing to offer the larger vote on the bill they had no juice to include or pass anything. Elections have consequences, the GOP doesn't want to be bothered with governing... well their states, and their districts are going to suffer. Call Jindal who has enough juice to sink a congressman's career if they don't do what he says, whom Vitter needs to even have a chance at re-election. Why isn't Bobby demanding that his delegation get money and or the orders... because then he wouldn't be able to posture and say he was against every single dem bill. Call the white house, call the rest of the people
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Harry Shearer
08:06 PM on 11/18/2009
Let's be clear: Congress can't micro-manage the Corps, to the extent of saying, "Don't let your contractors put construction waste in the levees". The chain of command, which starts in the Oval Office, needs to make it clear to the Corps commanders and officials that such behavior, when discovered, will not be tolerated, will be punished, will result in problems with career advancement. That's called accountability, and that's what's lacking. More money would be nice, too, but that's a separate issue.
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02:40 PM on 11/18/2009
When you care about something, you act to protect it. If you don't care, or would like to see radical change, or have already given up in the face of global warming and rising waters and temperatures, you don't verify that your actions are meaningful. I'm afraid this is the new America-one by one, regions will be abandoned and more than likely, these will be places where the moneyed do not live. Culture? Sense of national identity or pride? Forget about it!
12:13 PM on 11/18/2009
Harry I feel for the people of N.O. But guess what the people know about all the corruption and did what? Nothing. I say get some of your wealthy friends to pitch in. N.O. has been a mess before Katrina and guess what as long as there were alot of minorities there no one cared. You have your own Governor who won't take help from the Federal government but will rather for his people to suffer. So I say the people in N.O. need to take at a look of their own that have sold them down the river and made the politiicians they elect rich.
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Bienville
Make levees, not war
01:13 PM on 11/18/2009
This one doesn't seem to know that the Federal government designed and built the levees that failed.

Local corruption or ineptitude play no role in the sufficiency of the levees.
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11:16 AM on 11/18/2009
Perhaps we should hire a private corporation to do it right? As you state it, the ACE, a government run entity has done a terrible job. Lets open the project up to bids and have a private company take the whole shebang over.
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Harry Shearer
11:58 AM on 11/18/2009
Then you've misunderstood. The Corps of Engineers basically acts as a contract management agency, hiring private firms--like the one cited in this story--to do the work. Nice try.
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12:05 PM on 11/18/2009
Hi Harry:
I didn't know that. But the point remains, if you are the manager and you are hiring bad employees, you get rid of the manager.
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02:24 PM on 11/18/2009
How could she "misunderstand" if you never discussed the topic? Potentially she is misinformed. I appreciate your passion for the topic, but "blogging" gets you no where because blogging is NOT INTENDED TO INFORM! Whatever happened to persuasive and informative writing!
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11:12 AM on 11/18/2009
Harry,

I am a big fan of your writing and enjoy watching you whenever you appear on TV.

I have a high regard for your efforts, but am confused.

It would seem that you are well-acquainted with the MSNBC folks and have the ear of folks in Hollywood with real money.

You have a specific and important issue that you are fighting.

How is it that you repeatedly sound like you are tilting at windmills?

Where are the big-time celebrities that went to New Orleans? Are any of them on your team to fight for properly built levees?

Where are the local pols? Are any of them on your team to fight for properly built levees?

Have you thought about coordinating a letter writing or e-mail campaign with MoveOn or another group to bring attention to this issue?

Curious,

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Harry Shearer
11:35 AM on 11/18/2009
There's an earlier post here ("The Inside Game") which tells the story of my six-month attempt to contact the Obama administration about this. I don't know where everybody else is, but I'm currently preparing a feature-length documentary on why New Orleans flooded, to be shown on the occasion of the fifth anniversary, when the mainstream media are programmed to pay a little attention to the subject again....
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campaignman
05:39 PM on 11/18/2009
Presidents have much on their plate. While there is no excuse for Obama's failure to respond properly to you, and it is a mark against his administration, you are wise to start at the bottom, build public awareness and support, and make the politicians respond to their constituents. I am sure that your documentary will do so, but I would link a campaign effort to it so that people have a place to act once they see the film.
11:10 AM on 11/18/2009
Louisiana has been notorious for its corrupt politicians for as long as I can remember. They played a large role in what projects the Corps took on and probably applied a lot of political pressure to influence the selection of contractors. In addiiton, there is another player in this story, the American voter who bought Reagnomics, which has restricted the amount of tax money available for these and other infrastructure projects. True that just throwing money at a project willnot fix it, but removing money will certainly not improve it either.Whether it is infrastructure or education, we have been coasting for nearly three decades on the achievements of the 50;s 60's and 70's.
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Harry Shearer
11:33 AM on 11/18/2009
Louisiana politics and politicians have had no effect on the decisions of the Corps, it's answerable only to the executive branch of the federal government. BTW, the last two Illinois governors are currently in jail....
10:56 AM on 11/18/2009
I'm sure everything you say is true, but don't you see some frantic "jumping on the bandwagon" here, with everyone now trashing the ACE---including that person suggesting that Corps resumes are all bogus?

I"m familiar with other ACE projects, and lIke it or not, they've done some outstanding work. Did they botch the levee job in Louisiana? Was their shoddy workmanship more or less responsible for the damage done to N.O. by Katrina? Not to sound Palinesque, but You betcha. They' will always have that to answer for. But with all due respect, I don't think it's responsible to incite a "riot" of criticism.
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Harry Shearer
11:02 AM on 11/18/2009
A responsible agency--one held responsible by its superiors in the chain of command--would not be repeating the same kinds of errors after the flooding that caused the flooding in the first place. There's something very wrong there, as the evidence of the whistleblower regarding the pumps would indicate (hear my interview with her on a recent Le Show)...Of course, what's wrong is the total lack of accountability or re-direction from the top of the executive branch.
03:59 PM on 11/18/2009
But the Corps is in a rush to get to beach replenishment here on the Delaware and NJ shores after the nor'easter last week. I've observed elsewhere that there is alot more political will to make sure that wealthy people get the sand that prop up their property values, but not a lot of political will to make sure a major American city gets levees that do their job.

Thanks for the work you are doing reporting on this.
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Stuart
10:02 AM on 11/18/2009
The levee in question, despite its quality problems, was one of those that held up to the temporary surge from Katrina.

It did what it was designed to do.

For those who condemn New Orleans as impossible to defend, there is a lesson here:

Flood protection for New Orleans is feasible.
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Harry Shearer
10:06 AM on 11/18/2009
Actually, from the story one learns that the quality problem in question originated in work done post-K....But, yes, the river levees have held for a long time....
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Bienville
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01:11 PM on 11/18/2009
Their performance during Katrina is not a relevant standard. The levees in Jefferson Parish are very different from the floodwalls that failed in New Orleans.

The Jeff Parish levees were built in a different era and were unconstrained by urbanization. They are wide, like the river levees. Making them higher did not require floodwalls. They are armored. They are not as long as the Orleans levees and are less vulnerable to local subsoil variability. The sheer volume of material makes them less vulnerable to unsuitable materials.

The Orleans levees are surrounded by homes. Increasing the height of those levees meant relocating residents or building floodwalls. Almost all the failures in NO are related to poor floodwall design. The NO levees are unarmored; when a crevasse appeared, there was nothing to stop it from widening. The volume of material in a NO levee is very small and is very vulnerable to the tiniest flaws. The Corps' use of a too-small safety factor reduced the margin of error even more.

However, I agree completely that as an engineering problem, flood protection of New Orleans is absolutely feasible. A little more competence is all that's required. The River levees are under far more stress far more frequently and and protractedly. The River hasn't flooded the Cty for a century. The River rises a dozen every year and remains so for weeks. And, the River is MOVING water. The typical break in August 2005 was not due to moving water.
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Stuart
05:00 PM on 11/18/2009
Bienville's points are correct. The flooding in New Orleans can be traced a series of historical accidents that Jefferson Parish avoided by not being the "first-born".

A series of human errors in engineering are what put New Orleans under water, not some unstoppable "natural disaster". The details can be tedious but are no less important to New Orleanians than gas tanks were to Pinto drivers.

The pumping stations for New Orleans were built at the edge of settlement, at that time about halfway between the river and the lake. Jefferson Parish was settled decades later. Levees were not practical as the Corps built up flood protection for Orleans Parish. Cost and community resistance to expropriation for levees meant the flood barriers had to be fit into a narrower space.

Orleans Parish got levees along the lakefront, but floodwalls along the canals. Everybody--and I mean everybody: residents, parish councils, mayors, state officials, levee boards--assumed that with the Federal Corps of Engineers in charge, these floodwalls would work as well as the levees.

They didn’t.

Think about what Corps structures you may be relying on. Dams? Fresh water viaducts? If so, you’re counting on same Corps that allowed the debris to be buried in a levee here. Put your energy into Corps reform and forget about New Orleans (except, of course, to come join the party of the century when the Superbowl champion Saints parade victoriously for Mardi Gras).
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05:23 AM on 11/18/2009
"Keith Olbermann said "last time we were here it was because of a natural disaster". He's correct, nature built flimsy floodwalls."


Yeah, it was dissappointing to hear Keith say that, Harry. Could Olbermann really be ignorant of the real reason for this "natural disaster"? I would like to think he would want to correct such an erroneous statement if called on it.
I thought the piece on the clinic was well done, and it would have been great to have had an additional segment reporting on the inferior flood protection designs now being constructed, yet again, in NO.
But of course there's only so much broadcast time, and Sarah Palin's on the move again, so....
I'd like to see Keith do a segment with someone like you or Dr. Ivor van Heerden concerning these ACOE issues. Then Keith (and hopefully others in the media as well) could give poor Mother Nature a break from being framed for this very unnatural disaster, and direct the spotlight towards the real culprits as they prepare to repeat their past crimes.
And as for the landfills, er, I mean levees, I do hope this is just an anomaly and not ominous. Did these folks do anything right? Ugh!
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Harry Shearer
09:14 AM on 11/18/2009
One of his producers was alerted to the error shortly after it occurred. Was it corrected for the rebroadcast? I don't know...
11:16 AM on 11/18/2009
You slam Ketih Olberman, but if the hurricane didn't hit the Gulf Coast, the levees would still be standing. Yes the levees were faulty, but you are just being nitpicky.
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Aranxa
12:57 AM on 11/18/2009
Keep it coming, Harry. Don't let us forget and remain ignorant of this disgrace.
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doctorj2u
06:35 PM on 11/17/2009
Kind of fits since the same organization used old newspaper to fill the gaps in floodwalls. What on Earth happened to the US government that put a man on the moon?
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08:21 PM on 11/17/2009
It died with Nixon's Watergate.
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oregon bird
12:10 AM on 11/18/2009
I spent two months in a Corps office years ago. Want to know what I did? Well...

From a certain grade up, all members of the Corps are listed as having attended classes of all sorts. I was told straight out that while the courses were legally required, they had been deemed a waste of time -- therefore, my paycheck. S**ual harrassment to team building, educational basics to (what I would have considered necessary) equipment knowledge and refreshers, advanced construction courses, and architectural courses. Eco-management and conservation. Etc. You get the picture.

So, you've got a lot of Army Corps Engineers who have very impressive resumes -- courtesy of a low-paid typist. You're welcome. And I desperately needed the money. Who would have listened to me anyway?
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Harry Shearer
09:12 AM on 11/18/2009
Please write to me separately. contact.harryshearer@gmail.com
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dourdinlives
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05:06 PM on 11/17/2009
Hosh Posh! The levee break in New Orleans was a deliberate genocidal attack on melinated people.Else, why were they called "refugees", attacked and fired at when they tried to get food and water that was 3 days late in coming, and why were familys and children split up and sent as far away as Vermont, when facilities were readily available in Louisiana? Let the gentrification begin.If it is looked at in any other way, it gets all twisted and makes no sense.Anyone dumb enough to believe the levee break was an accident is probably stupid enough to think JP5 burns hot enough to turn code inspected steel IBeams into molten pools of metal at the world trade center.Know your history. Isn't this the same nation that murdered millions of native americans and enslaved africans?
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Harry Shearer
05:59 PM on 11/17/2009
That's your opinion. And there is history to back you up. On the other hand, there are two forensic engineering reports that go into exquisite and excruciating detail about the decades of engineering mistakes and misjudgements that led to the event of August 29. What happened afterwards--including the splitting up of families--is again a whole different matter.
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04:48 PM on 11/18/2009
Hi Harry,

I'm actually replying to your remark here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harry-shearer/waste-in-your-levee-dont_b_361045.html?show_comment_id=34732876#comment_34732876

This all started when I was a kid, it was my sister's fifth birthday the day that Betsy struck, and I remember it vividly.... As I was growing up, I can remember kids at school telling me that their fathers were working on the levee / flood wall systems then being installed, and they said that their father's said that the construction was shoddy and because of it they all left town long before any storm could make landfall - and that they were planning on moving from New Orleans at some point because they didn't want to get flooded out.

That's why I say it was intentional; if the kids at my school knew the construction was compromised - and it turns out they were right, of course - then the people who supervised should have know, too. This is criminal, and intentional. At the very least it's fraud....

We are absolutely NOT on opposite sides of this! My other remarks were intended to be applied to dourdinlives' critics...
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DUSAA-1775
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06:29 PM on 11/17/2009
good to hear from you. You have given us all a brief glimpse into your reality.