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Chicken Pox Parties Through Facebook

Posted: 11/07/11 10:56 AM ET

I'm not going to pretend like I haven't over-analyzed and over-researched vaccines. I'm not going to pretend that I haven't cornered my doctor for a much longer period of time than she spends with her other patients about MMR, chicken pox, polio, etc. We had discussions, yes. Which are the most important? Which have the least side effects? Which is a dead vaccine? I read books: Dr Sears' The Vaccine Book the most helpful.

My son in fact, did NOT get the chicken pox vaccine, and when he was four he got an actual case of chicken pox from a few kids in his nursery school who HAD BEEN vaccinated. My doctor believed -- and still does -- in chicken pox parties. She felt the actual disease is more efficient than the actual vaccine and though she made sure Jake got polio, pertussis, MMR -- even during the height of the autism-MMR connection scare, which is no longer a scare at all. Chicken pox parties. Yes. She recommended it.

When Jake got chicken pox it was thankfully mild. She drew blood. He's got titers which means there was proof of the chicken pox in his system. That's all a school needs. Titers, yes, ma'am. We got it the good-old-fashioned way. And I was proud! Isn't that silly? I really was. Chicken pox. Who didn't get chicken pox in the 70s and 80s? I did! It was awful. And then it was over.

Now folks are joining closed Facebook groups to specifically send each other infected lollipops, saliva and/or articles of clothing to hold their own chicken pox parties. I'm so outraged by hearing this that I literally want to bang my head against the wall. Slate columnist KJ Dell'Antonia wrote this angry rant that puts it well:

Let's try this sentence on for size: "I just gave my kid a pre-licked lollipop sent to me by a stranger I met on the Internet!" I suspect the "outing" of this practice by the media will also mark its public end. I'm sure we're talking about a very, very small number of people here. But if chicken-pox-by-mail sounds like a good idea to you, then I'm going to have to abandon the polite conversation and bring out the verbal two-by-fours.

I am all for chicken pox parties. Elke hasn't gotten her chicken pox vaccine yet. But the stupidity of passing infected chicken pox lollipops through the mail is terrifying. In fact, it makes me propelled to vaccinate her, like, immediately. Do these parents remember the anthrax scare of 2001? When we thought the world was ending and one of the news anchors had traces of anthrax on his desk. That the Hamilton, New Jersey Post Office was shut down because of traces of ANTHRAX. Now a bunch of die-hards think it's a good idea to send a virus through the mail? This is not only illegal, but highly dangerous.

Dr. Wilbert Mason had this to say to the LA Times:

For starters, he said, sending chicken poxthrough the mail probably won't work, because the varicella virus needs cells to live in, and there probably would be very few cells in spit or on a used lollipop. "It's unlikely the virus would survive long enough," he said.

But more resilient types of infections -- dangerous ones -- could make it, including hepatitis B, group A strep, and staph germs.

There is a certain point as parents that you have to take a step back and weigh the risks. I'm not a fan of over-vaccinating. I make sure I space my vaccines out. I linger a bit when it comes to the biggies. But there's a certain point you have to say -- okay, I'm not going to take candy from a stranger and put my child at an even greater risk than she would have been in the first place.

This week: Chicken pox vaccine. December 1: Flu shot.

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I'm not going to pretend like I haven't over-analyzed and over-researched vaccines. I'm not going to pretend that I haven't cornered my doctor for a much longer period of time than she spends with her...
I'm not going to pretend like I haven't over-analyzed and over-researched vaccines. I'm not going to pretend that I haven't cornered my doctor for a much longer period of time than she spends with her...
 
 
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05:29 PM on 11/11/2011
I'm all for Chicken Pox parties! in fact, my 18 month old just finished with them after getting it from his cousin... but getting it from infected lollipops? I'm all about natural immunity but that is a little extreme and disgusting. I'm happy that my son is able to now be in a room with other kids with chicken pox and feel safe that he is immune. Parents with vaccinated kids can not say that
05:27 PM on 11/11/2011
Of all the dumb clucks in the world, these people are the tops. I came down with chicken pox when I was 8 years old. Almost 12 years ago, I came down with shingles which is caused by the chicken pox virus that remains in the nerve endings after you have had it. I have also been in pain since that time. Some get over it shortly. Some do not. I did not. I collapsed at my brothers funeral in agony and was hospitalized for a week in terrible pain while they tried to figure out what was wrong with me. Please don't do this to your kids. You might wind up oh so sorry. We also had a 93 year old doctor who came down with shingles and said he never realized the horrible pain these people were in until he came down with shingles himself. Please don't do this.
03:53 PM on 11/11/2011
Parents, please seriously consider the chicken pox vaccine! I had a mild case of chicken pox as a child, but a severe case of shingles as an adult- words cannot describe the pain!! Not even narcotics helped- it was the worst experience of my life. As I understand it, no chicken pox as a child= no chance of shingles as an adult. Please, consider the vaccine, or your child may pay the price as an adult.
12:06 PM on 11/11/2011
Trying or letting your children get the chicken pox is ridiculous, irresponsible, stupid, and selfish!! Trying to get the infection through the mail by lollipops and such is even more irresponsible and STUPID. Where is CPS (Children Protective Services) at for these children whose parents are putting them at unneeded and possibly fatal danger!! Yes, I had the chicken pox when I was young and survived, but you never know if your child will be the one to get a bad case of it! I had all 3 of my children vaccinated and nothing ever happened to them with ANY vaccine! This is just very disturbing that parents are actually doing this!! How would them parents feel ordering a chicken pox lollipop through the mail and their child became deathly ill because they caught something else instead, no one has any idea what they are actually buying! Parents don't let their children eat Halloween candy from Trick-or-Treating without checking it first so why in the world would you do something like that?? I'm sorry if I am rambling a little bit, but this just infuriates me that any parent would put their child in harms way like that!!
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mumi009
"The truth will set you free"
09:22 AM on 11/10/2011
One should not tempt fate. Puting yourself or anybody else, especially your child, deliberately in harm's way is irresponsible. Period.
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mumi009
"The truth will set you free"
09:18 AM on 11/10/2011
"A pox on [all] your houses!"

Sorry, Bill.
07:50 AM on 11/10/2011
I agree, The Vaccine Book was very helpful. Giving your child a lollipop with gosh knows what is not.
08:45 PM on 11/09/2011
You failed to mention in your piece as did your doctor fail to mention to you that chicken pox can and has been fatal for children and more so for adults. Is childhood fatality from Chickenpox rare, yes but that doesn't mean you "invite" the disease to invade your children. None of us have a clue as to how we will respond to an illness until it hits and this is especially true for developing children who's immunities are still progressing. Just because Chicken Pox is for most children a nuisance at best, tragically for some it has lead to pneumonia, encephalitis, shingles and even stroke and finally death. Aside from the story itself, which is beyond disturbing, the carelessness of your doctors response to this illness is more so. I hope that you were exercising a bit of journalistic hyperbole in the telling of your doctors "pox party" approval. However, if not your doctor needs to get their ass back to medical school.
wsdave
Abusive or Insulting? I won't be responding.
02:39 PM on 11/08/2011
Haven't ANY of these parents seen the "South Park" episode about this?
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listgirl3
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12:18 PM on 11/08/2011
You can go through your whole life and not get chicken pox. So the theory that "well they're going to get it someday anyway" is ridiculous. Infecting your child on purpose is irresponsible...you do not know if your child will have complications from the virus - Why would you do that?! If they get it, they get it. If they don't - awesome.
And the whole lollipop issue - well, some lady made sucker OF everyone, and probably some some money too. The virus won't live long enough on a 'licked' sucker - which is gross to begin with - to spread the disease. You don't let your kids eat things off of the ground, but you'll let them do this? Wow.
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MarcEdward
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10:56 AM on 11/08/2011
Chicken Pox parties is just a sickening concept. Maybe later one can encourage one's teen to go to an STD party!
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Kelly Jade
10:43 AM on 11/08/2011
I got chicken pox at school (went down for nap time feeling okay if a little sleepy, woken up halfway through because the pox had started to show up that quickly), gave it to my sister, we all survived. I had a cousin who got an infection and nearly died from it. Still has a big scar from skin grafts to this day. It can be serious but most of the time it's not.
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10:19 AM on 11/08/2011
It's ridiculous and irresponsible to purposely get your child sick with anything. Ever.
09:40 AM on 11/08/2011
I think such an idea is dangerous, but then isn't sharing breast milk?
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03:31 AM on 11/08/2011
There was nothing inherently wrong with "chicken pox parties" in the pre vaccine days. Parents knew that it was merely a matter of time before their kids got the pox, and so it made sense to let them catch it when they were at the age which is associated with the fewest complications (ie not as an older child/adult) and they could time the pox so it didn't come at a highly inconvenient time for the family (like just as they were going abroad on holiday for example).

But the vaccine is effective, and avoids the small risk of severe pox-related complications (which includes death). There were an average of 105 deaths each year from pox before vaccine was available, and this dramatically dropped to 14 per year (these deaths being in unvaccinated individuals).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/25/chicken-pox-vaccine-deaths_n_908530.html

Why someone would want their child to risk death is quite beyond my comprehension.

The concept of trying to send infected material through the mail is stupid, and likely to fail anyway, as there is unlikely to be any viable VZV vaccine strain virus after about 1-2 hours. Yet this exposes kids to the real risks they could get something even nastier, or opens them up to risks from malicious sources.
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11:53 AM on 11/08/2011
When you have a child who has food allergies, the vaccines, especially chicken pox one, are a very real hazard. Far more hazardous than the actual chicken pox itself. Did you know that even vaccinated individuals can still get the chicken pox? Albeit mild cases, but it is still the chicken pox. My son had a very mild case of the chicken pox in second grade. Enough to satisfy the system he'd had it. Then in fourth grade, he got a full blown case. News to us you could get it more than once. The long term results on how the vaccine will fair against the shingles is still not fully in from what my doctor told me.
01:25 PM on 11/08/2011
I know quite a few that had it more than once, me included. I had an uncle to get it three times. Third time was the very nasty charm. I was wondering if you could still catch it after being vaccinated, though I knew some kids did get it from the vaccine.