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Heather Wolpert-Gawron

Heather Wolpert-Gawron

Posted: March 8, 2011 10:46 AM

Pros and Cons of the Seniority List


It's spring 2011, and I am no longer called Heather among my peers. Instead, I am known by my number: 164. That's my place on our district's seniority list. With the pink slip plague rippling out from our district's first-year teachers toward those of us in our 11th, all of us in the danger zone are sweating.

Some call the seniority list equitable; others call it antiquated.

Bottom line: it's a flawed system. Seniority permits security, but doesn't provide incentive, and we cannot allow that which is broken to remain sacrosanct when it serves one purpose well but fails in serving others.

The Case for Seniority

1. It would be too tempting to segregate teachers based on price, not quality. In the past, the most expensive teachers, the most experienced, were the most tempting to cut, especially during eras of tight budgets.

2. It's a marathon, not a sprint. Youngest does not equate to best. Knowledge of both content and the ability to communicate that content comes with longevity.

3. Schools need a generational balance for the greatest efficiency. Veterans are needed to train our new troops. Cutting our most experienced also means cutting our most wise. Reinventing the wheel wastes instructional time and professional energy.

4. Teachers are vulnerable to the ebb and flow of administrative tides. Administrators are very nomadic; teachers are more constant. A staff should not be dissected by those not committed to longevity on a site.

5. Many times people blame tenure for the existence of poor teachers rather than place the blame where it really belongs. Teacher prep programs are not doing their job of being the initial gatekeepers of quality. Furthermore, many administrators do not go through the trouble of identifying teachers who are not performing well. We can't eliminate due process because some aren't doing their job.

6. Seniority is unbiased. Even some younger teachers agree with this. Defining effective teaching is very vague and subjective, and seniority is equitable.

The Case Against Seniority

1. Retention based merely on a seniority list casts aside some of our most promising teachers. Why would people who invest in themselves and earn a credential enter a profession where their effort doesn't ensure their employment?

2. The security of tenure can encourage mediocrity. When a person's job security isn't tied to quality, why put in the most effort? While there are many excellent teachers out there, there are clearly those whose practice has become too relaxed.

3. A system set up to reward people based on hire date does not encourage professional growth. Tenure should be about reward. It shouldn't be doled out to those who just remain under the radar long enough to be given the golden chalice. Great teaching is about remaining current in our content and forward thinking in our strategies to prepare our students for their future. Why continue to invest in our own development when all teachers have to do to ensure their employment is to remain constant?

Security and Incentive

Picking off our most experienced teachers to balance the budget is not in the best interest of the kids or schools, nor is giving our rising new generation of teachers the boot without any consideration of quality. So what do we do? Well, just as science fiction often gives us glimmers of the science to come, I think "education fiction" might reveal the possibility of a greater educational system in the years ahead. So let's mull and dream. What if...?

*...Tenure was granted in 5-year increments that could then be re-upped and re-evaluated based on firm guidelines?

* ...Teachers were scored on multiple measures? The National Council of Teaching Quality released a report on using alternative measures to determine a teacher's position, based on a combination of 3Rs (roles, rules, and rights) that take into account teaching ability as well as seniority.

* ...Teachers were scored by parents, students, and administrators, and observed by colleagues? In turn, what if teachers also evaluated administrators, so that each stakeholder had input in the make up of a school's staff?

* ...More K-12 teachers were allowed alternative ways to work in hybrid roles? Imagine teachers with one foot in the classroom and one foot in another branch of the profession, (as online teachers, virtual and face-to-face mentors, teacher educators, authors, etc.). Hybrid roles would keep many teachers from burning out professionally, would also allow districts to save money by spreading teacher salaries across two or more income sources.

*...Evaluations were more authentic and honest? Much of the current criticism of seniority grows out of an all-or-nothing approach to evaluation--a choice between "satisfactory" and "unsatisfactory." Perhaps some differentiation is in order?

Tenure needs to be a precious thing. It should exist, but it should be something teachers strive for, not something granted just because we didn't offend administrators during our first two years on the job.

But it's important for civilians to remember that teachers aren't the villains in this story. They may be the easiest to vilify, but they are the ones teaching in schools our society has given up on. They are the ones trying to meet conflicting mandates from every side. Society shouldn't confuse a broken system with broken people. Learning in a classroom occurs when kids are energized and encouraged by a great teacher of any age.

However, if people are to know just how many of us out there are effective, we need to speak out from the trenches. Society will listen to those with the loudest voices, and ours are only just beginning to whisper.

An earlier version of this article appeared in Teacher Magazine. You can view that version here.

 
 
 

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It's spring 2011, and I am no longer called Heather among my peers. Instead, I am known by my number: 164. That's my place on our district's seniority list. With the pink slip plague rippling out from...
It's spring 2011, and I am no longer called Heather among my peers. Instead, I am known by my number: 164. That's my place on our district's seniority list. With the pink slip plague rippling out from...
 
 
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05:02 PM on 03/13/2011
Love all the evaluations, but when will parents start being held accountable for their children's successes (or lack thereof)? It's so frustrating that we're being held to standards that are greatly impacted by factors out of our control.
11:07 PM on 03/10/2011
And where would these people be in a couple of years if the tide turned again?
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04:16 AM on 03/10/2011
Evaluation is the solution: as they evaluate others on regular basis, so they should be evaluated. Nobody should take his or her job for granted, specially in these times.
08:32 AM on 03/09/2011
There are 2 issues here and people continue to mix them. 1- Keeping good teachers vs. bad teachers. This should be on-going. When a teacher is found to be incompetent, due process should be started. This process can take awhile but usually involves an attempt at retraining. When a process ends in firing, that position should be replaced. 2-Laying off teachers- this is a process of ending employment for competent workers when there is no money. LIFO should rule for layoffs because all employees not in due process at that time are deemed competent (or should be if admin is doing it's job). Lay-offs do not equal firing. Thus, it should not be a time to begin evaluations. Those should be on-going and seperate from a lay-off system. This is a process that works and is used in the private sector (although the process is different). Lay-offs should be the least experienced so that the investment that has been made in the experienced faculty is not lost. Much money is spent on training over the years. If we lay-off based on evals (and how would that work if all evals are good at a school?), then we may be letting go, not only a good teacher but one with exp. (pd for by taxpayers).
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10:26 AM on 03/09/2011
Can you describe the due process? I think most people would agree that teachers deserve due process before getting fired, but this due process has to be reasonable also.
01:27 PM on 03/09/2011
That is a great question. The problem is that every district has it's own collective bargaining. So each district is a bit different. It is not tenure though. Tenure is the term used to describe university faculty positions. It is different for K-12. So different that it is really not tenure. I completely agree with you. Due process must be reasonable. However, it is the union job to represent the teacher side and the district to represent the state side. It is a method that works in negotiating what that process will end up being. Both sides have power. Thus, they must negotiate. When only 1 side has power, teachers are at the mercy of the current principal, the voted in reps/senators/Gov, and the district admin for their jobs. Any of those things change and they could be out a job. As these things often change (principals move around a lot especially), they would always be worried about their jobs. Principals tend to bring their teachers with them from prior schools pushing out the others. And if a new Gov. came along and decides to cut their salaries by 20%, they would have no recourse except to quit. People forget that this does not happen in private corps. Teachers need a bit of power against all these very strong forces. But yes, it should be reasonable. And that is where that struggle between unions and the district works out.
06:22 PM on 03/09/2011
Well said!
01:35 AM on 03/09/2011
Perhaps the bigger political question is how charged this debate is over tenure seniority/tenure/teacher effectiveness amidst the budget cuts, the stripping of bargain rights, the threats to worker pensions. A perfect storm, it seems, for those who don't support public education and want to see it fail. They are seeing their window of opportunity and they are taking advantage. Michelle Rhee joined with Scott Walker joined with Grover Norquist...Ominous...
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Michael Morrison
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08:39 PM on 03/10/2011
I don't want to see public education fail, but I think that teachers unions have become a major cause for failure.

I wish teacher's unions would begin to understand that they are their own worst enemies. The continually scream for more money, "rights" that few other people have, and job security that few taxpayers have.

They tell us how important they are, but then tell us that they don't have enough control over what happens in a class room to be held accountable.

Any suggestion for improvement is automatically rejected.
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El Chingaso
Fighting for mental superiority...
04:50 PM on 03/12/2011
Man, I totally agree...
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liv2giv
04:44 PM on 03/15/2011
First, there are four levels of administration "above" teachers, deciding how education money gets spent: Fed., State, County, and District. That's called top heavy.

But let's just deal with the District players. For instance, the District decides which "Educational Consultants" they pay five-to-six figures to every other year to buy from said experts a "new and improved way" of teaching reading. This "new and improved" program has a fancy new name, but isn't ever run by teachers per consensus for real-classroom application. The new program is shoved down teachers' lesson plans by mandate, even when it hasn't been proven that the "old" program, a whopping two-years-old program, was failing. But the District thinks that it shows "the public" that it is DOING SOMETHING for education. It's akin to changing horses in midstream when your current horse is just fine, just so you can show off your fancy managerial moves. The result, a K-6th-grade student can be exposed to three to four different strategies for learning how to read - which could actually hinder reading progress because of the inconsistencies. This is NOT in the teachers control, but that fancy program cost, paid every other year, could be spent on reducing class size, and increasing aide presence, giving PROVEN methods more ground to help teach children.

All that money is irresponsibly spent, then the District cries poverty, and teachers are blamed for that, too.

Teachers don't control parental apathy, gang exposure, or poverty either.
01:28 AM on 03/09/2011
At my middle school of around 875 students, we're down from four administrators when I started eight years ago to two. Next school year in CA may be much worse, budget-wise. We may go down to one principal, plus an AP half time.

Practical question: who's going to do all of the evaluations? I'm asking because I don't know. Last time my turn came to be evaluated, the principal didn't even have time to do a full evaluation.

In any event, as I am a special education teacher, a lot of my job happens behind the scenes, collaborating with general education teachers, checking in with parents, writing reports, performing academic assessments, creating behavior plans, etc. I also work in a small district; currently there is only one administrator credentialed and experienced in my field who can evaluate my teaching. Ironically, she is the assistant principal, who may have her job cut in half by budget cuts (so she'll walk).

A lot of special education teachers are wondering what the upshot of "reform" will be, as it relates to how effective teaching is measured. Test scores alone won't cut it. Not fair to the kids, not fair to the teachers. In an era where cut-backs and resource deprivation will become the norm, will thoroughness and fairness be part of teacher evaluations? Or only expediency?
12:25 AM on 03/14/2011
My first year I was evaluated once. My principal asked me to teach a math lesson in the Gen-ed class I help Co-teach. I was not evaluated based on my ability to differentiate instruction for the students with special needs in my class. I was not evaluated based on my ability to provide adequate remediation for the students who were several grade levels behind. I was evaluated based on my ability to keep the class under control and teach a lesson in math. In the end I felt like a gen ed teacher, which is fine, but I really wish at the time he would have given me some feedback as to how I was doing as a special educator.
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poeticjustice4all
Past = Prologue
12:12 AM on 03/09/2011
Middle school teacher Heather Wolpert-Gawron asserts that "teachers aren't the villains in this story." Well, what story she is talking about?

If this educator is referring to the story of a widening achievement gap, rising dropout rates, and a monocultural (90% White), largely culturally incompetent teacher workforce that has failed to engage a generation of students -- I would love to know who she WOULD name as the villain.

Would this middle school instructor fault her students? Because lately, that's been the trend at HPEd. Posters, many self-identifying as public school teachers, would like to blame students -- and parents -- for our failed schools.

One thing is certain, teachers are not the heroes. So yes, they're the easiest to vilify, because they should be the heroes.

But teachers -- through their unions -- have been the biggest and most vocal defenders of the status quo. That attitude is reflected in the seniority argument that -- experience equals talent.

Even now, as Americans are finally having a serious national discussion of education, the teacher unions' contribution has been to picket "Waiting for Superman," complain about President Obama, and bizarrely insist that they have little to do with student achievement.
01:42 AM on 03/09/2011
Most teachers I know welcome rigorous evaluations, as long as they are fair. Most veteran teachers I know also welcome and mentor new teachers regularly. It doesn't benefit any teacher to have ineffective teachers in their midst.
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poeticjustice4all
Past = Prologue
11:45 AM on 03/09/2011
Yes, but how many teachers do you know? Of the millions and millions leading public school rooms in this country, how many do you know? Five? Ten? And how have you determined that those instructors welcome "rigorous evaluation­s"? The aggregate data suggests otherwise.

For a comprehensive look at the situation, please review the 2006 study from Education Trust called, "Teaching Inequality: How Poor and Minority Students Are Shortchanged on Teacher Quality."
11:37 PM on 03/08/2011
Hear, hear. I am looking at leaving the teaching profession just a year after I entered the field. I taught for one semester to unanimously glowing reviews from students, administrators and other teachers. I was teaching in a program funded by a federal grant so I was observed weekly by the district's literacy department; the feedback I received was positive. There is virtually no chance I will get in a job in my community in the next several years. Meanwhile, as I substitute teach I encounter a lack of competence--frequently from older teachers--at every turn. This system is definitely broken.
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poeticjustice4all
Past = Prologue
12:30 AM on 03/09/2011
Yes. The blanket claim that more experienced teachers are automatically more competent is just not true.

In fact, a mediocre teacher with a lot of years in the classroom can be doing more of a disservice to students than a teacher with fresh training who is young but excited about finding new ways of raising student achievement.
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jp90
10:15 PM on 03/09/2011
While I disagree with about 99% of your posts here on HPEd, you have hit the nail on the head with this one. Experience does NOT always equal talent. We have a teacher with 16 years experience at our high school and our entire math department KNOWS he is incompetent, students try to flee his class when they find out they have him, and yet our administration has been gutless in documenting his deficiencies. If they had, regardless of the fact he has tenure, they could have had him out years ago. In fact, they probably missed the boat in not dismissing him BEFORE he achieved tenure. The union president wants him out, and honestly, the union would have nothing to defend this teacher on if they want him out. Yet our principal continues to baby him, make excuses, etc. There are other older teachers who basically are resistant to change, set in their ways, and do not want to see what works in other classrooms. But again, if we had principals who would actually visit these classrooms for more than a "drive by" eval., and write up incidents of failure to communicate the subject to students, the union would be more than happy to see these folks go. We have younger teachers here who are better, but would be first to go if we had layoffs. Teachers DO NOT support ineffective colleagues. Our hands our tied.
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liv2giv
05:23 PM on 03/15/2011
Wow. Really? You taught for a whopping semester and you're now qualified to determine that the system, the ENTIRE system, is broken, and from that determine that "older teachers" are "at every turn" the ones holding the sledgehammer. Wha?

I applaud you for trying teaching and for doing so well at it - for four and a half months. But puh-leeze understand your own severe limitations to evaluating the "system." It may not have been right for you - that's understandable as many who have tried have also left. Even when the economy was good, only about 20% of those who enter a credential program make it into their tenth year of teaching. It's that hard - and discouraging.

But, seriously, your semester, let alone your sub. time, in no way exposed you to the circus. You have NO idea. You have an opinion, but you have NO idea.
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hawkseye
we have nothing to fear but fear itself
07:33 PM on 03/08/2011
Just my opinion: I think it takes five to ten years of experience in the classroom to become an excellent teacher.
Re other professions: Let me ask you, would you get rid of your interns and residents or your experienced surgeons?
07:44 PM on 03/08/2011
Would the military let the new recruits run a war?
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lcr999
scientist
08:16 PM on 03/08/2011
No, but the military has an evaluation process, and some get promoted and some don't. And it has little to do with seniority
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hawkseye
we have nothing to fear but fear itself
09:30 PM on 03/08/2011
Exactly!
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Bryan Boru
Engineer, Libertarian
07:22 PM on 03/08/2011
PRO: it's good for incompetent teachers.

CON: It's bad for the students stuck with them.
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William50
07:07 PM on 03/08/2011
This is not so much on the union, but that never bothered me--I woulds like to see school days equal working days, less days off and a ten month year.
09:04 PM on 03/11/2011
I don't know about the school calendar in your district, but first week of Sept- last week of June sounds like 10 months to me.
ProudNeoCon
helping people does not require government
06:59 PM on 03/08/2011
We need to look at the issue outside of current budget crisis. Why bad teachers were not fired way before the crisis? Why do we have contracts which make firing bad workers such a hassle that nobody wants to do it unless there is a crisis?
06:52 PM on 03/08/2011
I am a boomer and we were taught if we worked hard we would be rewarded. We had to reward the previous generation and now we do not get out just due?
This is unfair and age discriminatroy.
This is happening to us and will happen to you.
ProudNeoCon
helping people does not require government
07:00 PM on 03/08/2011
If you are good worker, you have nothing to worry about... Do you think you deserve a job purely based on your seniority?
06:39 PM on 03/08/2011
If we stick with seniority-based layoffs, we may very well be laying off our most promising teachers... but we'll be keeping most of them that are ALREADY good, not just "promising." Like any job, it takes time to become a good teacher. Framing the question as, "We could do layoffs on the basis of seniority or we could do it based on effectiveness" is misleading. "Effectiveness" is a slippery factor, and seniority is a better yardstick with which to measure it than student test scores. Not perfect, but much better.
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poeticjustice4all
Past = Prologue
12:25 AM on 03/09/2011
So, you're in favor of standardized measurements for teachers -- but against them for students? You're arguing out of both sides of your mouth.
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Lynn Brown
07:54 PM on 03/09/2011
Might I suggest a recent article (this past week) on the flawed evaluation system?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/07/education/07winerip.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&ref=education

Might I also suggest that evaluations recognized by a majority of folks (standardized tests) are also flawed?

from the article: "Moreover, as the city indicates on the data reports, there is a large margin of error. So Ms. Isaacson’s 7th percentile could actually be as low as zero or as high as the 52nd percentile — a score that could have earned her tenure."

65 out of 66 of her students tested proficient. Past students laud her abilities, as do colleagues and her principal. Yet the "standardized" evaluation has a margin of error so large, it places her squarely between percentile 0 and 52.

Yea, thats definitively rock solid evidence to base someone's professional future on.
For anyone to suggest that we posses objective means to determine a teacher's worth is either being disingenuous or dishonest.

I think the same about student's and their assessment. It IS slippery. Like life.
09:04 AM on 03/10/2011
You apparently don't typically understand what's being said to you, so you should probably refrain from judging other people's statements.

Standardized measurements for teachers and students are okay. Testing one group of people and using the results to judge another group is where you run into trouble.
06:29 PM on 03/08/2011
Tenure is not written in stone...the process of getting rid of those who no longer perform is more difficult, contractually and administratively, but it can be done. A program of improvement serves notice to those veterans who have grown complacent that they need to reappraise their efforts. It takes administrators willing to first help teachers improve, giving clear guidelines of how and where this should occur, and if those goals are not met in a specific time frame, then it takes administrators who are willing to remove those teachers.
The majority of veteran teachers are continually trying to learn and improve their skills up to their retirement through workshops, in-services, and attending conferences in their areas of expertise.