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How Lawyers Can Sabotage Mediation

Posted: 01/04/12 02:07 AM ET

I recently had some experiences in mediation that I would like to share with you. I believe that mediation is the best way to resolve a divorce or any other dispute because it has the parties going through a process where they are actively involved. They make decisions that impact upon their lives with the aid of the mediator and their attorneys. It is a way to stay out of the court. It is cost effective, and works in most divorces.

The problem in some mediations is the attorneys. A good attorney believes in mediation and will encourage it as a tool to try for a settlement on an amicable basis. When done in a hands-on manner and properly handled, mediation should be a win-win procesdure.

A mediator I was working with recently told me that he saw a well known divorce attorney talking to a client in one of the corridors of the court house where I practice. This attorney was telling his client that mediation will not work. He told his client to only do what he told him. He also said that the client should not make any decisions unless it is agreed to by the attorney. This is a recipe for disaster and failure. If the client is encouraged to go into mediation with that closed mind attitude, then it is doomed to fail. Keep an open mind. Be willing to negotiate. Being willing to explore options and not always relying upon your attorney can lead to a successful mediation and settlement of your divorce. Remember, you live with the results; your attorney does not.

Two weeks ago I was in a mediation with a fairly complicated divorce case where both parties were far apart on their beliefs of what would be a fair settlement. I represented the husband and the wife was represented by an attorney who also believes in the mediation process. We had a very experienced mediator who uses a shuttle diplomacy approach. In this approach, each party will prepare a mediation summary in advance. The mediation summary is a history of the marriage, information regarding children, work, income, assets, liabilities, and what each party wants and the reasons for the request. This is reviewed by the mediator in advance. The mediator will then have the parties in separate conference rooms, with husband and his attorney in one conference room, and the wife and her attorney in a second conference room. The mediator then goes back and forth talking to the parties and their attorneys. At times, the mediator will talk to the respective attorneys alone. Everything discussed is confidential unless the mediator is allowed to disclose some information to the other party. In this case, because everyone was invested in the mediation process, after a few hours, a compromise was reached, and the case settled.

On the other hand, I was in a mediation a couple of weeks earlier in a fairly contentious divorce where my client wanted to settle, and his wife wanted to settle as well. The problem was her attorney, who did not want to settle. He did everything possible to make the mediation fail. He refused to negotiate, took outrageous positions, and told his client not to talk alone to the mediator and not to do anything unless he, the attorney, agreed. Of course, after a couple of mediations, this third mediation session failed as well. My client and his wife wanted to continue negotiation and mediating, but the attorney told his client to get up and leave, which they did. The case was coming to trial, and both the husband and wife had reached a point where they wanted to settle and save the many thousands of dollars in additional attorney fees that a trial would cost. After the mediation, I encouraged my client to talk to his wife. The two of them did. They reached a settlement on their own. I reduced it to writing, forwarded it, both parties signed it. This was then sent to the wife's attorney, and his response was to send a letter to me demanding a lien to guarantee his attorney fees. In this case, the wife had been demanding a bill from her attorney for several months, and when we put the settlement on the record, she stated this, he presented her a bill for the first time at the court house, the court allowed us to take some time, she reviewed the bill, they then reached a compromise, and that was resolved as well. This is a situation where attorneys can cause many problems, and often hinder not only the mediation process, but settling a divorce case as well. The attorney, in this case, was more concerned about his fees than doing what was right for his client.

I would like to close with final thoughts about mediation.

1. If handled properly, it is an excellent process.
2. Make sure that your attorney believes in it. Talk to your attorney early in the case and discuss it.
3. Remember that your attorney works for you, and not the other way around.
4. Be prepared to spend time negotiating, mediating, and where necessary, compromising. A good settlement is one where everyone compromises.
5. If your attorney tells you that mediation will not work, or is strongly opposed to it, then perhaps it's time for you to change attorneys.

If you have any thoughts on this idea, please share them with us.

By: HENRY S. GORNBEIN
Family Law Attorney & Legal Correspondent
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JCDP18
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09:03 PM on 01/11/2012
Yikes. I'm glad that all of the attorneys that I work with, believe in mediation.
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Edogg62
01:01 PM on 01/09/2012
Mediation is the only HEALTHY way of navigating such a point in your life. Attorneys feed off of negative energy in these cases... the wronged party seeking to satisfy some sort of revenge jones and the parasitic attorney playing right into that draining, pointless emotion. My ex and I were rolling right along through mediation... everything was going smoothly, then apparently someone (friends etc) go to her and we both spent roughly 10k to achieve the same results, but with some emotionally costly exchanges prior. It's not about revenge people... it's about moving on and making yourself happy, not wasting time/energy/money to "get back" at someone for not treating you as you would like...
06:10 PM on 01/06/2012
A friend of mine showed me a bill from his lawyer once that had a $50 charge for every email they read and another $50 for every email they wrote pertaining to the case. The bill showed FORTY emails in one month between his lawyer and his wife's lawyer. When he demanded to see the emails, the lawyer refused. He then asked his wife to ask her lawyer for copies of the emails. There were THREE emails for the entire month!

Needless to say, he fired his lawyer and refused to pay the bill, whereupon the lawyer had the gall to actually send a collection agency after him!

"Family Law" lawyer. Sweet gig if you can get it.
02:55 PM on 01/06/2012
I really liked the article and agree with the premise. Another way of resolving disputes outside of the courtroom is through Collaborative Law. I am both a collaborative attorney and a mediator. In collaborative, each client is represented by an attorney, but the attorneys are not adversarial. The 2 clients and the 2 attorneys sit down and work through all of the issues constructively and creatively. If the case doesn't settle (which it usually does) the attorneys cannot represent the clients in adversarial proceedings. Anyone interested should go to www.collaborativepractice.com.
11:10 PM on 01/05/2012
This experience doesn't surprise me. I'm a practising mediator of 17 years experience in the UK and I am continuously surprised that lawyers have even a presence in mediations. I've never experienced a lawyer attending any mediation I've facilitated - and participants have been quite able to create resolutions by themselves.....and therefore at much less cost. If they wish for legal endorsement of any agreements they create they can instruct their lawyers to do so afterwards (please note the word 'instruct' rather than 'ask very nicely if they wouldn't mind') Lawyers are providers of a service not parents or police officers and are not the final decision makers on what participants 'should' agree to. I think the article indicates the extent to which lawyers have taken on - and been given - a status above that which they hold and mediation provides an opportunity for people to take responsibility for their own decisions and all the long term advantages that brings.
06:19 PM on 01/05/2012
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers"--"Dick" in Henry VI, Part 2 Act 4 Scene 2
500 years old & still relevant
05:47 PM on 01/05/2012
HERE'S A NOVEL IDEA: How's about mediating the marriage to avoid divorce at all cost ?

HERE'S THE COST:

#1). Loss of your soul to eternal perdition (I Corinthians 7)

#2). Loss of children's identity, as parents ivariably attack one another within the child's earshot

#3). Loss of INTEGRITY in the eyes of the children & God's Law ( for " it is better not to take vow than to take one and not keep it", God commands )

#4). Loss of self esteem, for The Law of God is indeed written on the heart of man, even if not familiar with the Gospel of Truth, and this spills over into self-loathing and bitterness at the end.

But things are "unbearable" you say? Well, depending on the circumstances, they may very well be so - but what about doing everything possible to HELP,rather than DISMANTLE before losing such precious things in the process - and what about that vow ??? ..... for better and for worse, in sickness and in health, till death does us part ??? WHY TAKE A VOW THAT WE DON'T EVEN CONSIDER SERIOUSLY BEFORE IT'S TAKEN ?...and traditionally, before God - who will judge us accordingly !

Christ was right in Matthew 24, about the DELUSION mankind will be under during our time.....

#5). Loss of financial ability and the pain that accompanies that, and is then borne by the offspring.
05:25 PM on 01/05/2012
Keep the girlfriend or new wife out of the divorce settlement also. My ex and I had several agreements, but the new wife went to an attorney and got my ex to drag me through court several times. I should have never agreed to a bifucation (grant the divorce and do the property settlement later). Between his new attorney (3rd one) and his new wife, it was a nightmare. My attorney was not at all in my corner. Mediation would have been a better way to go-but the new wife and attorney were against this.
05:15 PM on 01/05/2012
Before you agree to go into mediation, make sure that your mediator is certified and is on the approved list for the county/state you reside in. There are a lot of attorneys playing mediator who have not been through the proper training programs on how mediation should be handled.
05:58 PM on 01/06/2012
I would add that you need to look into what requirements you state has to be "certified" as a mediator.

In Colorado where I live, there is *no* certification. You or I could print some business cards and start "mediating" tomorrow.

Unbelievable, but true.
04:19 PM on 01/05/2012
I'm a lawyer, but I don't do family law. The first thing divorce lawyers do is have you complete a financial information report, so they know exactly how much money is at stake. They then engage in legal skirmishes with the other side until most of the money is gone and then they recommend to their client that they settle the case.
05:59 PM on 01/05/2012
That is exactly what happened to me,I am an average person and it cost me a fortune,than we settled and I ended up paying alimony,I am 74 and paying alimony from my soc.sec.I was so confused at the time I didn,t know what was going on.Plus she got two thirds of everything.We had grown kids at the time.
06:12 PM on 01/05/2012
Thank you for being so up front about that.
03:25 PM on 01/05/2012
My first divorce (terms agreed upon between my ex and I) took only 3 hours of an attorney's time (about $350 at the time). My second, even with the sweet deal proposed to my ex (he gets the house, pays no alimony, I take the credit card bill responsibility, and he pays only $350 a month child support for 3 kids), his lawyer stretched out to TWO YEARS with ridiculous requests. That one cost me $10,000. The lawyers like duke it out for the extra cash.
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01:40 PM on 01/05/2012
I know about divorce lawyers. My wife’s lawyer talked my wife into imply that I assaulted her and was a threat. Note the word implied. When I got the notification from the lawyer, I called her and asked what was going on – she didn’t want to talk about it. My lawyer wrote a letter to her lawyer and threatened to counter, so the claim was withdrawn. Later we reconciled and she told me about the lawyers attempt to gain the upper hand. I understand that not all lawyers and spouses are not 'win at all cost people' however, when money a property is involved, you never can tell.
12:05 PM on 01/05/2012
In the article, the biggest clue he understated in passing are the Attorneys. Most don't, won't or lack the skills to "mediate". But the operative word is Attorney. The are concerned essentially with billable hours, not altruistic client desire/needs. Word to the wise: On essentials of your well being, rely on yourself, not someone who's indifferent to your well-being. Ever thought about why they call it Family Court in lieu of Family Dissolution Court- hell, it would shake many to their core and say, I'm letting this attorney do this to me?

Get smart, mediate with that person you fell in love with. Calmer minds will prevail and a few less will wind up in Family Dissolution Court
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ritaesq
12:38 PM on 01/05/2012
You are making an assumption that the divorcing parties can speak to each other. Unfortunately, in too many cases, that is not true. There is often so much anger and resentment that calmer minds do not exist. Also, even if the spouses do agree, in most states the language of the agreement must conform to several different statutes. It is difficult for lawyers to get it right let alone litigants. It is unfair to paint all lawyers with the same brush.
02:26 PM on 01/05/2012
No I'm not and you display ignorance by the very fact you don't know from where you speak. As a mediator, civily you come to attempts at mutual resolve. In the Family Dissolution Court, pressure is imposed on the father (child cases) to take less for the kids
As to adults behaving like children, the attorneys condone that and encourage it, possibly covert, but encouraged by billable hours, and slinging letters and responses back and forth, again billable hours all the while saying hey "so this is what law is all about".

Candidly if you look at the heirarchy, Divorce attorneys are one rung up the ladder from the bottom feeder, Workers Compensation attorney. So tell me, what kind of service do these eh hem bottom feeders provide in the emotinal chaos of family dysfunction
02:30 PM on 01/05/2012
And by the way, talk to your girlfriends, I eh hem #2 assume your of female gender, and tell them never divorce while angry. It diverts the focus and this is a major cause to the anger syndrome you mention.

What a conflict with estrogen that is, especially during that special monthly cycle. And to think you now are on the buttons to nuclear arms- Iran be careful what you ask fore, we will deluge you with PMS women exiting from round #1 in Divorce court
12:52 PM on 01/05/2012
and a lot of lawyers will lose money...
02:06 PM on 01/05/2012
There is no profession in this world that is exempt from 'bad apples'....that includes, lawyers, doctors, judges (you should be in court in IL with their judges), teachers, etc..... The author of this makes many assumptions, but, also generalizations which is fine....mediation can work well for some, and for others, no. When two parties want to settle amicably, yes, but many do not and many think they know the law and how to manuver it on their own.....therefore costing them a gazillion legal fees. Many people abuse the system.....I wish people would invest as much time and money into their relationships/marriages as they do the break-up.
12:01 PM on 01/05/2012
I wrote a book about this exact thing! Its called Divorce and Corruption and is published by publishamerica.com. Its a TRUE story about my divorce and the lies and deception of both my ex and my attorneys and even the Judges. You can even order it through Stephenpostbooks@aol.com DONT EVER TRUST YOUR ATTORNEY
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ritaesq
12:40 PM on 01/05/2012
Sounds like you may have an anger management problem and maybe, just maybe, that could have had an effect on your divorce.
10:25 PM on 01/05/2012
and it would appear you cannot read! If you get anger from what I wrote your the one with problems!
11:14 AM on 01/05/2012
I'm in California when I was going through a divorce I learned one VERY important thing . The attorney only cares about extracting as much money as possible . PERIOD .
I was upset as I had already $8k and the papers had not been delivered to my wife yet . The divorce would have cost me over $30k + in attorney fees- and taken a year - they charge for everything $75 for a call to their office , $150 + for a visit to their office , thousands in retainers etc. etc.
I was getting so mad that I talked to my ex and we agreed on basic terms . If it is an uncontested divorce . Do not file with any attorney .
The secret is : Go to Guam !!
Guam divorces if uncontested cost $1000 (plus an airline ticket) . Only one of the parties must go and stay there for a week . The divorce is final and binding in the US in 10 days.
This is the last thing a divorce attorney wants you to know. Even if you have to give up a little more than you may have wanted it will be more than made up for in saved attorney fees .
Remember the ONLY thing the divorce attorneys care about is extracting as much funds and billable hours from you as possible - PERIOD !!!!!!
06:24 PM on 01/05/2012
If it is an uncontested, amicable divorce and you have agreed to the division of property and child custody, you can file on your own divorce for very little money. Just make sure everything is in writing and signed by both parties.

Divorce lawyers are a total rip! Don't use one unless it is absolutely necessary. They are only out to make money and don't care about anyone or anything except their check books. They will nickel and dime you to death for every single little thing they can.