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Pot Smoking Vs. Medical Marijuana: What Are The Implications In A Custody Dispute?

Posted: 08/06/2012 12:15 pm

Since the legalization of medical marijuana under certain circumstances in California, Michigan and several other states, there has been a lot of discussion about the implications of this in divorce. I have talked with judges in particular about the impact this has on child custody and parenting time.

Marijuana is illegal, and therefore smoking marijuana could definitely have an impact on a divorce, especially if it is being done openly. What about when one spouse has a license for medical marijuana? Can medical marijuana have an impact upon child custody? I believe it can. Can it impact parenting time? Yes, but in both cases, it's a matter of the degree of exposure to the children. If smoking marijuana with a medical license is done out of the presence of children, then it should have little impact. On the other hand, if it is done regularly in the presence of children, it could definitely have an impact on custody and parenting time. In a close case, the non-marijuana smoking spouse could possibly receive primary custody.

The primary issue is the exposure of the children to the pot smoking, even with a medical marijuana license. If it is being used every day, then there are issues of second-hand smoke -- especially with regard to marijuana where you can get a contact high. That may certainly have an impact on custody decisions. On the other hand, if the marijuana use is limited -- perhaps to evenings when the children are not around or the days where the parents don't have custody in a shared arrangement -- then it is going to have very little impact.

It also depends on whether or not the other spouse is going to make the marijuana use an issue in court by bringing up the amount of exposure and the children's ages. The court's attitude will also impact the ultimate verdict. Some communities are much more liberal with regard to medical marijuana; some communities and courts are much more conservative.

Many people believe that marijuana should be legalized entirely and regulated like other drugs, such as alcohol. If this were the case, then marijuana would be treated like alcohol in family court and it would still have an impact on custody decisions, especially if it is used to excess.

The reality today is that marijuana is not legal, though medical treatment with marijuana licenses is permissible in certain states. In those cases, I think the analogy should be to alcohol; If someone is an alcoholic, that is definitely going to have an impact on parenting time and custody. If someone is using medical marijuana to a large degree, it would definitely have an impact as well.

If I am representing a client where medical marijuana is an issue, here's what I would advise:

1. If custody and parenting time are issues in a divorce, I would make sure that my client would agree to not using marijuana in front of the children.

2. I would make sure there is a schedule that is strictly adhered to so that the children are not exposed to the marijuana and that there is little danger to them being exposed to the second-hand smoke. This could be done by making sure the smoking is done only when the children are not around and only out of the home. he key is what is in the best interests of the children.

However, this is an issue that is to be discussed on a case by case basis between attorney and client.

These are my thoughts. Please share yours with us as well.

 

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Since the legalization of medical marijuana under certain circumstances in California, Michigan and several other states, there has been a lot of discussion about the implications of this in divorce. ...
Since the legalization of medical marijuana under certain circumstances in California, Michigan and several other states, there has been a lot of discussion about the implications of this in divorce. ...
 
 
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01:07 PM on 08/10/2012
I can understand the concern about smoking in front of children but only to a degree. I wouldn't want my 8 year old high but I really don't trip if she's in the house when I smoke. We don't hide it from her but we don't blow smoke in her face either. With that being said, marijuana is the safest drug I know off, and inhalation wouldn't kill her.
08:01 PM on 08/09/2012
I am a mother of 2 beautiful children (ages 4 & 5) and my husband carries a medical marijuana license for his psychological illness. He smokes at night mostly and does not expose the children to the drug. Marijuana has been a lifesaver for his illness and without it, he would be extremely sick.
However, if (God forbid) anything happened to our marriage, in no way, shape, or form would I allow him to have any custody over the children. Because, at the end of the day he is HIGH. He would not be able to wake up if one of the kids had a nightmare, he wouldn't be able to drive if there was an emergency, he's not even able to bathe them, because he is HIGH.
Don't even try to compare marijuana to alcohol. I can control my level of inebriation with the amount of wine I drink. With marijuana, you get HIGH. One puff, two puffs... you get high.
I am a strong supporter of medical marijuana since seeing the difference in my husbands condition. But, I would never grant him custody of the kids.
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01:11 PM on 08/10/2012
Smoking weed wouldn't stop any parent from performing their parental functions. I actually find that I can relate to my 8 year old better when I'm high, I'm more patient and understanding. Waking up on time, bathing a child, preparing their food, driving, are all things that can be done high.
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01:47 PM on 08/10/2012
You can also control the amount of inebriation by how much you smoke. I can take a puff and coast (which is my preferred method during the day) or you can blaze a fat bowl and touch the sky. And the plus thing, is that, unlike alcohol, I can sober up at the drop of a hat. That's another thing they don't tell you in school. You can get high to the tits, but if there's an emergency like say, getting pulled over or a fire? You can totally flip the sober switch and kill your high. It sucks to do it, cause it's a waste of weed but there it is.
08:25 AM on 08/09/2012
Science has proven second hand cigarette smoke to cause disease in some people. Second hand cannabis smoke has not been shown to create such a hazard. In 2008 Donald Tashkin, MD, Medical Director, Pulmonary Laboratory, UCLA published a decades long study of thousands of cannabis smokers and found not one case of lung cancer or COPD.

Children should not be around smoke of any kind. Children as young as two under proper medical/nursing supervision and for certain maladies are greatly helped by medicinal cannabis.

I would recommend to your clients and all patients that they vaporize not smoke cannabis, or use alternative methods of delivery (topical, ingestion, oral-mucosal, etc.). Vaporization creates no smoke only a therapeutic "vapor" with no negatives for the pulmonary system.

Al Byrne, co-founder, Patients Out of Time: An educational charity that since 1995 has taught MD's and RN's about the clinical uses of cannabis under the authority of the ANA and AMA.
04:07 PM on 08/08/2012
Holy Carp!! This guy acts like the 60's and 70's and 80's never happened!!! Millions of people including me have had their parents smoke pot and some right in front of them too. They all grew up and some smoke and some don't. Some are successful some not. I had friends with non pot smoking alcoholic parents and their lives were not so good and some were very damaged.
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MiMi LLawsonn
Just my opinion****
02:54 PM on 08/08/2012
So who enforces laws anyway?????? NC has FATHER'S RIGHTS....and my son has not been allowed to see his daughter now for over 2 years....http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-813288 I am not sure anyone really cares about what happens to the children.....or so it seems...
12:00 PM on 08/08/2012
I was just wondering how many of you non pot users smoke cigs in front of your kids, drink, eat unhealthy foods? unless your lives are absolutely perfect, you don't have the right to criticize anyone for smoking pot.
11:57 AM on 08/08/2012
You could use an analogy to alcohol in cases of medical marijuana, but that entirely ignores the fact that only one of these substances is being used to treat a legitimate physical or psychological ailment. Alcohol, except in obvious cases where it acts as an ingredient in combination with others, is not a prescription medicine.
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angler725
It's gotten comical now.
08:55 AM on 08/08/2012
Drug use (recreational) is a debatable issue? The need to escape life's reality using substances, is something we should seriously debate. I'm sorry all you "heads" out there, but I said that on no stimulant or depressant or mood altering drug. That actually came out of my own brain on air.
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mrportman
02:10 PM on 08/08/2012
What I do with my own body so long as it doesn't put anyone else in foreseeable harm’s way should be my own business, not yours and certainly not the governments.
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angler725
It's gotten comical now.
08:28 AM on 08/09/2012
Drunk driving, DUI, DWI, high. All the same. Of course you don't think so, when your high.
07:48 PM on 08/08/2012
Wow what a man!!
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angler725
It's gotten comical now.
08:25 AM on 08/09/2012
I appreciate that.
03:49 AM on 08/08/2012
I LIVE IN CALIFORNIA AND I HAVE NO KIDS NO BILLS NO WIFE BUT SOME DANKASS KUSH SO LIFE IS GOOD!
10:09 PM on 08/07/2012
My ex is a pot smoker. He would smoke pot in the house after everyone went to sleep. When I cleared out the rest of his belongings, I found stashes of pot and pipes hidden in his things. My teenage children recently found drug paraphernalia and drug residue at his place. No one can do anything about it despite the law that states that children should not be within 100 ft of illegal substances, activity, paraphernalia, etc. The divorce attorneys all knew this about him and he even pleaded the fifth during a deposition when asked about his drug use, which was not limited to marijuana.
09:06 PM on 08/07/2012
Parents that are doing drugs in front of their kids should not have custody. Simple as that.
10:22 PM on 08/07/2012
But there are so many drinkers, if you take all their kids away who will look after them?
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greengrl
The more you know, the less you believe.
09:01 AM on 08/08/2012
So you never, ever drink a beer or a glass of wine in front of your kids?

FYI....I don't do drugs in front of my kids, but I do occasionally drink in front of them. Personally I don't see any difference between a beer and a joint except legal status.
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Allena Tapia
Will write for food
05:19 PM on 08/07/2012
I'm sure someone asked this, but if secondhand smoke is an issue in custody for marijuana smoking (and I thought most users ate cookies or used a special vaporizer anyway), is it an issue for cigarette smokers too? Cause I sure hope so.
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mrportman
04:19 PM on 08/08/2012
Fact: Cigarette smoke is more dangerous than marijuana smoke.
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Czechster
Enough is enough
11:53 AM on 08/07/2012
This is the list of causes of death in the United States:
Heart disease: 599,413
Cancer: 567,628
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 137,353
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,842
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 118,021
Alzheimer's disease: 79,003
Diabetes: 68,705
Influenza and Pneumonia: 53,692
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 48,935
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 36,909
Cannabis: 0
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mrportman
02:17 PM on 08/07/2012
ER visits in 2001 from Mary-J: 111k
MDMA: 6k
LSD: 3k
GHB: 3k
Aspirin: 8k

The US Drug Laws make no sense whatsoever.
09:02 PM on 08/07/2012
where did you get these numbers? were there really 111,000 er visits for cannabis?? what for?
09:04 PM on 08/07/2012
Include those who started with pot and then went on through to heroin and death. I know 2. Figure there are more eh?

You pot fan boys are evil. Just want to spread that crap to others based on your talking points.
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greengrl
The more you know, the less you believe.
09:03 AM on 08/08/2012
And what about those who started with beer? I know of many more people affected negatively by alcohol than pot. Do you support prohibition of alcohol?
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Czechster
Enough is enough
09:56 AM on 08/08/2012
Many started on other drugs because of the underground element that sold MJ and needed contacts to encourage more expensive drugs.
Ironic that your hero Ben Franklin smoked and grew cannabis.
Learn the details before you condemn cannabis growers.
11:23 AM on 08/07/2012
Drinking OK and pot smoking not , its a parents job to parent not the state
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sensimilla
Lead with your heart, and your mind will follow...
11:23 AM on 08/07/2012
Personally i see no issue with properly using medical cannabis in front of children. It is a medicine, used by adults, and they will understand and respect it. Unfortunately custody law sees differently.

Actually, Cannabis should not be smoked for the most part, as smoking is bad for your health, exposes others to 2nd hand, and can lead to copd(which happened to me).

Vaping is much better, without the bad chemicals created by burning, and very little 2nd hand exposure if any. It also does not make the user forgetful, deadbrained or sleepy like smoking can.

Oral cannabis oil, for me, is the most efficacious method, and gives the most relief for pain, stomach issues and inflammation.

Adults using the sacred medicine Cannabis properly is what we should show to our children.
09:05 PM on 08/07/2012
"sacred medicine Cannabis"?

God are you full of it.

It is about as sacred as sniffing glue. Chemicals that give your brain a fake high.
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yasunari
Video meliora, proboque, deteriora sequor
04:42 AM on 08/08/2012
What do you call "real" high then?
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MalcolmKyle
04:45 PM on 08/08/2012
Put that bottle down and get clued in:

According to DrugRehabs.Org, national mortality figures for 2009 were: tobacco 435,000; poor diet and physical inactivity 365,000; alcohol 85,000; microbial agents 75,000; toxic agents 55,000; motor vehicle crashes 26,347; adverse reactions to prescription drugs 32,000; suicide 30,622; incidents involving firearms 29,000; homicide 20,308; sexual behaviors 20,000; all illicit drug use, direct and indirect 17,000; and marijuana 0.

Researchers led by Professor David Nutt, a former chief drugs adviser to the British government, asked drug-harm experts to rank 20 drugs (legal and illegal) on 16 measures of harm to the user and to wider society, such as damage to health, drug dependency, economic costs and crime. Alcohol scored 72 out of a possible 100, far more damaging than heroin (55) or crack cocaine (54). It is the most harmful to others by a wide margin, and is ranked fourth behind heroin, crack, and methamphetamine (crystal meth) for harm to the individual.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/drugs_cause_most_harm

The American Journal of Preventive Medicine found that in the U.S. alone, an estimated 79,000 lives are lost annually due to "excessive" drinking. The study estimates that the overall cost of excessive drinking by Americans is $223.5 billion each year.

http://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(11)00538-1/abstract