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Posted: October 9, 2010 01:56 PM

Arianna debated Wall Street Journal columnist Stephen Moore about the continuing jobs crisis and the state of the economy. Arianna argued that the initial stimulus had not been big enough, and we're seeing that play out now with persistently high unemployment. She also said it's imperative that we begin rebuilding our nation's aging infrastructure.

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Arianna debated Wall Street Journal columnist Stephen Moore about the continuing jobs crisis and the state of the economy. Arianna argued that the initial stimulus had not been big enough, and we're ...
Arianna debated Wall Street Journal columnist Stephen Moore about the continuing jobs crisis and the state of the economy. Arianna argued that the initial stimulus had not been big enough, and we're ...
 
 
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05:10 PM on 10/10/2010
This Steve Moore guy is best evidence of what enemy of American people they are. More here:
http://RealNewsPost.com?n=ThinkDeep.34356
02:40 PM on 10/10/2010
reading the jobs report. 64,000 more private sector jobs vs. 159,000 public sector jobs lost. A net loss of 95,000 and an overall unemployment rate of 9.6%.
Did the stimulus failed? NO!
The stimulus is temporary because "the government can't make the private sector invest." The stimulus creates a self-reinforcing cycle because of the multiplier effects of induced private investment that generates jobs to make more and more people work, earn and spend.
The CBO in its recent testimony (Sept. 28, 2010) identified "temporary" policy actions (aka stimulus) which "would have a significant positive short-term effect on the economy and employment." All of which are consistent with what Obama is doing to fix the economy.
Unfortunately, we have a left hand vs. right hand situation. At the local and state levels, they are doing the opposite (and after receiving federal aid). As Ezra Klein said, the recent jobs report "isn't driven by census layoffs." Surely, these firings at local and state levels will have an impact on business.
Bottom line: the stimulus can only go so far to induce demand. But it is false to say that the stimulus only creates jobs while stimulus money is available. It is also false to say that the stimulus has failed when there is clear evidence of private sector job gains and when you have some in government (like the some states, the GOP and blue dog dems) still doing a hoover despite evidence to the contrary.
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Mannock
Just flew in from Chicago and my arms are tired.
04:36 PM on 10/10/2010
Thank you. F&F.
04:41 PM on 10/10/2010
Its the pace of the recovery and minor gain 2 years later does not mean it worked.
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massjim
Dem? Repub? Is there a difference?
02:33 PM on 10/10/2010
I agree that we need to fix infrastructure ... but that's what I thought the original TRILLION dollars was for! $20 billion for each state, and my local bridges are still falling apart!
01:41 PM on 10/10/2010
Every economist I've ever heard says the American economy is driven primarily by American consumers and by small businesses. American consumers are the Demand side of economy. When they are unemployed or afraid of being unemployed they don't spend, Demand drops, the economy declines. Small businesses hire employees to match demand. If the demand is not there, no one will or should or can be hired. Stimulus spending by the government should focus on employing as many people as possible so that people have money to spend and demand goes up. That will then allow small businesses to hire more people because they have an increase in demand that requires more employees to be met.

I hate to tell you but the whole point of globalization was to make the workers of the US "compete" with third world workers.The point was to drive wages down. The "captains of industry" have no allegiance to nationality. Maximizing profit is the only goal. That strategy has worked, since Reagan, to siphon middle class wealth to the ultra-rich.

All outsourced work can come back to our soil. It requires rewriting the rules of the game so that extreme wealth cannot be accumulated, wealth must be more evenly distributed. There must be a very robust middle class and very few lower class and the upper class must hold only a small percent of the wealth it now has. The rules must strongly favor local businesses and make off-shoring a strongly disagreeable option.
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Mannock
Just flew in from Chicago and my arms are tired.
02:46 PM on 10/10/2010
Faved and fanned!
12:33 PM on 10/10/2010
Had the US Government become the insurer of all health wouldn't it have been so much easier?Wouldn't it be more effective in battling the high cost of drugs?The gaps in wealth in the U.S.A. and other countries is largely because there are so many ways where advantage can be taken of the average wage earner; the average person is constantly being squeezed; the middle class is the bologna in an ever decreasing sandwich.If financial regulation, health care and regulation of all lobbyist activity,including contributions, had been done right, the middle and lower classes would now be seeing more light at the end of the tunnel and something other than bologna in the sandwich.
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Joan E. Dowlin
11:57 AM on 10/10/2010
Way to go, Arianna! it kills me when these right wing economists want to rewrite history and bring up Ronal Reagan. Reagan had huge deficits and began the practice of allowing manufacturing to go overseas. The unemployment rate however could be a killer for the Dems this fall.
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CMontalvo
stranger in a strange land
11:41 AM on 10/10/2010
"Officially, the recession ended in June, 2009 according to the National Bureau of Economic Research, historical arbiters of recession and recovery dates. But in July, 2009, Congress raised the minimum wage by over 10% and 580,000 teen jobs were lost in the second half of the year even as GDP posted growth of 4% (annual rate). This was more than double the losses in the first half of the year when GDP declined at a 4% rate and fewer workers were needed. This was one of many policies implemented or proposed by Congress that made no sense as a measure to blunt the impact of the recession. The minimum wage determines the minimum value an unskilled worker must add to a business to justify employment. Congress has made this hurdle higher and more teens find they cannot get over it. This is just one of many barriers to hiring that are institutionalized in our economy, for example restrictions in the stimulus legislation that required union labor on projects." -- Bill Dunkelberg, chief economist of the National Federation of Independent Business

The road to hell is paved with good intentions...
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Witchhunter
helping those in need of reality.
10:44 AM on 10/10/2010
I think Mr. Moore gave all concerned a lesson in economics that was needed badly.
10:22 AM on 10/10/2010
No one ever seems to ask the question when talking about providing jobs is, jobs doing what ? We can't compete under a free enterprise system. Even if we could bring back the industries we lost who would manage them ? We have lost the expertise and the skilled workers we had at one time. Why aren't we producing the green energy jobs we expected when Obama was elected ? Because the Chinese can do it cheaper. Without govt. subsidies we can't even begin to get investors interested in domestic production. Never mind the fact that we dilly-dallied while the rest of the industrialized world learned how to do it.
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RichieB
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09:59 AM on 10/10/2010
Actually, there's nothing wrong with the economy that another round of tax cuts for the rich wouldn't cure. I know we tried that before and it didn't work but we just need to try harder with deeper tax cuts. Never mind the deficit. We can eventually raise taxes on the middle class to make up for it (tic).
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07:48 AM on 10/10/2010
Look at the WSJ columnist squirm in the middle frame when he was asked what the Republicans will do differently if they should be in charge - you can tell that he's a FOX propagandist because they are so lost once they are set free from their cocoon to respond to real question rather than regurgitate the Republican talking points. He is so out of his league with Arianna and Mr. Achoutan of the Economic Cycle Research Institute.
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05:38 AM on 10/10/2010
"business feels that the government's at war with them" What the corpoterrorist mean to say is they don't want any interference from the extorted profits they are making off of the backs of the American People.
Justice Goodyear
Equal dislike for both political parties
09:45 AM on 10/10/2010
Progressives - the party of "blame".
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RichieB
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09:52 AM on 10/10/2010
I'm still blaming the bush/cheney administration. You're not going to turn around the damage they did in 8 years in less than 2 years. Plus you still have the repug congress blocking every reform bill that comes up.
06:49 PM on 10/10/2010
Rethugs - the party of thieves - stole from the middle class for the rich and still want the middle class to pay for 700 mil in tax cuts for the rich -
05:28 AM on 10/10/2010
First and foremsot, factory jobs are not coming back, because they pollute, and nearly all American politicians want clean air. Second, employers have different criteria and hiring standards. For example, a gentleman who started a business 25 or 30 years ago, with a high school education, chooses not to hire MBA types. Why? Because its his prerogative, nor is it against the law ("But you're a Cashier," Jerry to girlfriend, "Jerry, it's not my kind of humor," Girlfriend to Jerry - Seinfeld Episode). All the degrees in the world will not open a door, if employers choose not to open it - Capiche! Is it really that hard for television commentators to figure this out?
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MrMainstreet
06:36 AM on 10/10/2010
If factory jobs dont come back things will only get worse. More factory jobs will be offshored each year and the unemployment picture will get worse.
Justice Goodyear
Equal dislike for both political parties
09:43 AM on 10/10/2010
If you went to college please let me know where. I am not paying for my two teenage sons to go to school there.

Factory jobs cannot come back. I will try to make this very simple. Goods are sold on the global market and price is a main driver except for certain "brands" like Apple but few businesses can command price. When we have to pay American workers, many union workers in manufacturing, higher salaries it drives up our cost. When we offer to the consumers or businesses of the world or the U.S. they won't buy it due to price. Inventories grow, people get laid off. To survive businesses have to manufacture overseas. Nothing new about this.

I own a vehicle tracking business. To get a quality device in the U.S. to resale it take me $125-$160. I have gone to China, found a factory that will make the device to my specs, has the same quality and is half the price. My businesses love the lower price. My competitors hate it. What would you do?
10:54 AM on 10/10/2010
I agree that once the jobs are gone, they will never come back. However, the least we can do is remove the tax breaks that allow major corporations to take their jobs to other countries. My company is rewarding IT managers to reduce "on-shore" headcount to 20% of their department and 80% off-shore.

Then you must agree, since the private sector is not creating jobs, the government must step in and build our country's infrastructure and support those folks whose jobs were sent overseas so that their manager can get his bonus.
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04:34 AM on 10/10/2010
Arianna - beautiful, intelligent, outspoken and a voice for the voiceless.

Mahalo Ariana, Mahalo
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03:47 AM on 10/10/2010
The fiscal stimulus was a combination of tax-cuts and government spending and we get out of a balance sheet recession with fiscal stimulus. Tax-cuts are the least effective way, and our broader thorn is an economy of money designed to minimize jobs.

A person gets easy money and credit. He decides that he wants to roll-up public libraries. Find some Ayn-Randian Tea Baggers to give you their library. Fire the staff. Hire part-time, cheap staff. Pocket millions. Raise your fees. Demand a tax cut! I'm so important and I've created so much wealth for myself. Watch the economy crash.
Justice Goodyear
Equal dislike for both political parties
09:46 AM on 10/10/2010
You are living in a different world than most Americans. I cannot fathom your stream of consciousness.